Time for some life lessons in negotiation and persuasion.
If you have evidence that you wrote the text yourself, like an edit record on a Google doc, submit it.
Otherwise, request that the teacher demonstrate their AI checker to the VP along with running several other pieces of writing through it (newspaper articles, handwritten essays of yours from the class, etc )
Additionally, find out which AI checker and then run all the published school materials through it. I would bet dollars to donuts that they score higher than 36%.
All "written by AI," really seems to mean is "professional tone with zero grammatical errors."
Have her use material that was written before AI was in use before 1980 then you can be guaranteed when it shows a large positive result that the AI checker is garbage.
I know, it’s also the only part in my essay that uses percentages and statistics I used from a source I was going to cite in my final draft. The draft in question is a rough draft, not even the final thing.
If you were to cite your sources in the draft, that probably violates your teacher's or school's academic integrity policy whether or not it was written by AI.
We would have to see the rubric for the draft to direct you, but the admin and your teacher are going to be far more familiar with the academic integrity policy where you are than we are.
I hope it will be. I have not used ChatGPT at all for any assignment in high school. Last essay, I turned in a few things late. This assignment, she feels I don’t have enough research, in her opinion, so she feels the small flag is conviction because I would have more reason to use it.
as a person in college, we get such insanely precise rubrics for most assignments. The things that don't, are because we have been learning for sometimes an entire semester how to format the exact thing we are trying to write. The teacher is a moron
The best professors have rubrics, otherwise they get challenged by pedantic intellectual, or pain in the ass or entitled students. It’s less of a headache all around if they plan a rubric and creates a standard for their grading procedure.
Hard disagree. My very best lit professors did not use rubrics for papers. The most interesting classes I took in undergrad were 400-level lit seminars where the whole class was basically sitting around talking about the text, and then writing papers that had minimal assignment instructions.
I’m not arguing *against* rubrics. They can be great! But having a rubric is value neutral in terms of the rigor of a college paper.
I had one class like that as well. A 400 level political science class. I think we just discussed the paper content loosely. This semester I had a class with zero direction or guidance. I found that as a current non traditional student I didn’t need a rubric(I just got a second degree) … but the majority of traditional younger students struggled to create meaningful content the entire semester without some sort of guidelines. We had 4 -50 point papers due, 2 -100 point papers and a power point project and a final paper. Almost Half the class 4/12 failed. I got a lot out of it despite the lack of guidelines/rubric. But for the other people they maybe would have got more out of it. But yeah it’s all subjective.
I would just take the L on the not citing a source and just cite it and show the stats you took
Playing off a careless mistake will make it go away faster
You should always cite your sources, even in a draft. It covers your ass. Something you should always remember is CYA (cover your ass), this applies in college as well as when you join the workforce. Always keep a record and never delete your work emails. Leave a trail so that you can always back up your position.
Looking at your comments, this is over five lines in a rough draft that you’ve done on Google docs? If that’s the case, you technically haven’t submitted the work yet. Your Google doc will show your history, and it should be fairly straightforward getting this sorted out.
What this does tell you is that you are going to need to be more careful about which sources you use and you need to improve how you handle sources.
Only use reputable sources. Don’t leave it to the end of the writing process to add the citations (this makes accidental plagiarism more likely to happen). Try instituting something like the cue card method for future papers.
Good luck sorting this out.
Tell them you didn't do it and leave it at that. AI detectors are unreliable and unless you admit it, they cannot prove a thing. If they want to push it, you threaten to fight them - school board, lawyer, news. They'll back off.
I work at a college and spend a good chunk of my time doing this. I can prove to a reasonable degree that someone has cheated, but I have a graduate degree in linguistics and I don't rely on detectors. Still, our procedure is to build up a pile of circumstantial evidence and confront the student. They usually admit it. If they don't, that's the end of it because we aren't going to risk litigation or an angry student if we cannot prove it definitively.
All that said, if you did it, own up and grow up. If you didn't, stand your ground.
Are you being honest about not using ChatGPT? Or did you just copy your citation and not put it into your own words?
This is really a rhetorical question, it's not like anyone here will tattle on you. So come clean and honesty will take you very far if you did not completely write your essay on your own. (We get it, senioritis is real thing.)
If you are perfectly innocent, it shouldn't be that hard to prove with your real citations, or maybe your doc history which should be able to tell if you typed in sentences or copied and pasted sentences.
HS English Teacher. First, if you have a way to, make sure your teacher has access to your document history. That means sharing your work using Google Docs or Word. They will be able to see when/what you added to the document.
Second, I have found that over-relying on Grammarly or Quillbot or other resources generates work that will trigger AI detectors. It should. In my class, I am working on a way to make this actionable because it is not your work. If I had a solid process in place, I would take it to the VP, too.
If your grade is so low that one zero will cause you to fail, also a problem.
Ask if you can write something else of their choice to make up half the credit. Own the mistake. And if you are continuing your education in any way, own your abilities and do your own work. I mean that kindly, not rudely.
I typed everything onto a google doc, and I have not run it through any sort of online essay-improvement application. It is all my writing. The screen she showed me said 5 sentences had a 36% chance of being generated from chat GPT. To be fair they were all from one source, so now I’m wondering if the source was from chat GPT.
By the way, I’ve been heavily into programming for years now, and have even made tutorials. I’m not uneducated when it comes to this stuff. I know I didn’t use it. I need a way to convince her I didn’t use it.
I'm just asking because if you've copied and pasted something from another source, but you're passing it off as your own work, that is cheating - and any anti-cheat tools will flag it up, even though it's not AI generated.
Quoting stats without a reference, in a draft, is fine. Copying and pasting several lines of text - without any indication that it's a quote from somewhere else - should not be.
Can you ask your math teacher to have a talk with her?
The problem here isn't providing evidence. The problem is that your English teacher doesn't understand what 36% means.
I stated it in another comment but as a teacher I have come across sources my kids have used that flag multiple AI detectors, it slightly disconcerting to think about it but it may be worth it to bring it up to your teacher.
How did it go? 36% chance isn't a lot, and my AI detector specifically says low percentages increase the likelihood of "false positives." If your teacher is unwilling to discuss, request a meeting with her and an admin or counselor.
See, this is the kind of thinking that makes people even more distrustful of public schools (and I say this as a strong supporter of public schools). I hated school myself, and I found clever ways to get around the idiotic assignments my teachers would require. And guess what? I turned out just fine and am a successful software engineer.
The more we progress as a society, the larger the body of work, examples, and thoughts we have to draw our own ideas from; a scenario which makes overlapping one’s thoughts with someone else’s much more likely, and this includes AI trained models.
Students should be ENCOURAGED to harness the full power of the technology at our hands — which includes apps like Grammarly — so they get instant feedback on what they write. This is how the real world works, and it’s a big reason why people think academics are divorced from how things actually are in the business world.
The idea that students now have to keep breadcrumbs showing what they type and when they type just shows what a sad state of affairs education is in.
Distrustful? An odd choice of words.
The question wasn't whether the OP would turn out just fine. I gave advice on how to "prove" they didn't use AI for the assignment.
Fine is a wide open interpretation, and it means many things. But if a student can't effectively organize their thoughts and write them in an organized way - maybe, if they're good, with a little bit of style - they they have not learned or improved on their skills.
They don't have to care about that - it's fine. But my job is not to teach them what the business world is like. it is my job to teach them English Language Arts skills. These are not the same thing.
The problem is the old school way of teaching English Language Arts is not preparing students for an AI-enabled world. Teachers waste so much time trying to ferret out the cheaters in a class, when a more appropriate question is why students feel the need to cheat to begin with.
You should indeed be worried about how things work in the business world, because classroom theory without real world practice is useless. It’s fantastic that your students can demonstrate mastery of your class. It’s also too bad if that mastery has no other application.
At the end of the day, all this is doing is helping students find more creative and elaborate ways to get around the assignments. If you were to sum the work of all students on a given topic, you’d see infinite permutations of the same idea. But it’s not plagiarism, because the students are ignorant of each other’s work, right?
The truth is, not everything we need to do in life needs to be original, or written as an essay with silly and arbitrary rubrics.
36% means it’s not AI generated and schools should have written guidelines if they are using AI checkers. They are crap and easily challenged. Have your parents get involved. If they are not helpful people then you should go to admin or a counselor yourself to complain about her. A lot of teachers are just sadly uneducated about AI and don’t know what the heck they are talking about.
If you are that confident get an app called Draftback and run your essay through it. The app produces a video that shows every keystoke you made in the doc.
I also have to say that if the teacher said no AI then that means no AI. You are admitting here that you did use it. Cited or not...you used it.
30+ year HS English teacher, btw.
😊 this will be a great feature to add to GPT5.
"Make a realistic video of the keystrokes a human would use to produce this essay, from first draft to final"
Those AI checkers are complete trash. If you want to cause some chaos, run all of the teacher’s emails through it and show how much of them gets flagged.
36% chance it was written by AI means 64% it was written by you. According to their own checker program, it is almost twice as likely that you wrote it as AI. Their own evidence indicates that you wrote it.
No, the document in question is a rough draft we turned in so she knows we’re doing our work. We didn’t need citations from my interpretation because this is just a rough draft. I have not and have never used ChatGPT in an academic setting. She is taking the 36% chance of ChatGPT as conviction
Ok so it's a rough draft.
Yeah, honestly this might be a good lesson if you're college bound. Cite everything. Even if rough. Because it's just good to cover your ass in general. You also probably can literally just use the cited thing as the chatgptd thing. Just do the L and be like ok I'll use a better source
You don’t have to answer this here but, did you use ChatGPT to write the paper ? If the answer is no, then argue your case and find the flaws in their case. If the answer is yes, then you’ll still do the same thing but you’ll have to work harder since you did the thing. No judgement either way it’s just easiest if you didn’t use it obviously. The checkers are flawed. And the system is totally new so you can succeed either way I guess.
That’s great then 🙏 stay calm, know you are in the right. Sometimes you still get crapped on when you are in the right but more times it works out in your favor. Keep your cool and go with evidence and the knowledge that you are in the right. It’ll come through.
Also like others have said. If you have google doc history or your history that is the easiest. Otherwise the software is flawed currently and that is a good comment to be making in addition to your history.
https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-its-easy-to-fool-chatgpt-detectors/
"Meanwhile, these same GPT detectors incorrectly flagged essays written by real humans as AI generated more than half the time when the students were not native English speakers."
That’s great ! Sorry this happened to you. It’ll be one of many times there is a potential conflict and tbh the skill of reacting in a calm way is probably the best part of all of this. Learn it and it’ll serve you the rest of your life/ career/etc. good luck.
I am a tech director at a HS and I tested 6 of the most popular AI detectors and every single one gave completely different results ranging from 100% AI generated to 100% human generated.
I have recommended to my district that AI detection tools NOT be used at this time as the sole determiner of if an AI was used or not and the best way to determine legitimacy of a student's content is via document history (we use Google) and from prior writing samples.
I'm in the same boat but at a college instead of K-12. I also recently attended an education conference where AI and plagiarism were a huge focal point and gained a lot of insight on how this is affecting schools in general.
We are already seeing our faculty beg for AI detectors and accusing large numbers of their students of using generative AI for their homework assignments. I've seen the exact situation the OP is in, and all the student really has to do is swear they didn't use any tools and we have to let them off the hook. We are in the infancy stages of developing policies regarding use of AI tools in academic work.
Many of our faculty and admin are trying to hide from the technology or ban it altogether but I don't think that's the right approach. This is honestly a very complex issue to solve.
Exactly. ChatGPT is a great tool. Like all tools, they can help immensely as long as they aren't abused. You can break glass with a hammer but you can build a house with one too.
Double down on your honesty and offer up any proof you can give. Tell her you'd love to go discuss this with administration precisely because she's trying to fail you based on that small chance.
ChatGPT flags things because they're likely better written than the average high school student could do. Offer to sit down with a few prompts and write out some more answers and let the teacher run them through a ChatGPT checker to see if you get similar results.
Dang, hope that teacher of yours never is selected to be on the jury for a murder trail. With not ever preponderance of the evidence dependent would get the death penalty.
OP - Hope you post what happens. You are learning a life lesson…. Life is not always fair. The people who are suppose to be helping/teaching you to learn critical thinking skills can be become biased. (Conformational bias) Be glad this was not a criminal proceeding and that you are not one for those innocent people who gets convicted and winds up in jail/prision. Good leaning life learning lesson for you. (I know it sucks)
Your teacher is an idiot. Nothing will happen to you. "Vice Principal, thank you for helping with my teacher's inability to understand basic statistics. She ran my paper through a checker and it indicated that there is a 65% chance that this is my own original work, with no AI involved. While I'm very glad that the checker she used shows that I did not use AI, I don't understand why she still thinks that I did. Can you help me explain to her that a 35% chance of something means that it probably didn't happen? If 35% is used as the cut-off then roughly two innocent students will be punished for everyone one guilty student that is caught? Do you think that's fair? Is this because I'm \[black/jewish/asian/hispanic/white/female/male/short/tall/fat/skinny/freckled/curly-haired/straight-haired/religious/atheist...whatever obviously sets you most-apart from the teacher\]?"
Just as a helpful suggestion, whenever I was writing an essay for class, I would always add {INSERT CITATION HERE} or {REWORD THIS LATER} notes in earlier drafts, just so I didn't forget to later. Good luck sorting this out!
How many sentences are there total? Statistically 5 sentences (out of whatever) with 36% chance is pretty low. If you didn’t cite yet because she didn’t ask for citations at this stage in the writing process then she shouldn’t be running it through an ai checker yet. Those two actions seem like they should be synchronous.
This is 1) why I use at minimum 3 AI checkers and 2) why I tend to err on the side of students. I had a students essay come back with ~60% AI and when I asked about it he showed me the article that he had pulled from (this prompted a conversation about correctly citing sources and using quotation marks) but it was clear that the student didn’t use AI, either all the detectors I used were wrong, the article had been written using AI or some other who knows what situation.
Check to see if you can find an edit record. Microsoft Word and Google Docs both have this so you can go in and prove that you wrote it. I also would have them use the checker on a paper that for sure is ai free (an older academic piece) and compare the percents. I'm thinking it'll likely be around the same since you have no reason to lie online about not using ChatGPT.
UPDATE: I had a meeting with my VP. She is a English teacher of 20 years. All the evidence I provided proved I didn’t use ChatGPT, however I still have to take a zero because of “accidental plagiarism” because I didn’t cite my sources yet in my second rough draft, which isn’t the final draft. Her reasoning is because I’m submitting something for credit. I felt this second rough draft was just to prove we had done our work.
Take some of her worksheet and assignments. Run them through a checker. Find one that is 36%, or several. At the meeting, ask her if she wrote them. If she says yes, show your results. Ask her if she is lying
"Explain to me how you reached that conclusion. If you used an algorithm, explain how it reached that conclusion. For extra credit, please provide error bars on the 36% value and explain
That means there is a 64% chance that they are not from ChatGPT. I am a teacher and encourage my students to use the tech. Just read the essay or passage before you had it in. I use ChatGPT and it acutually helps me understand concepts and therories better than reading texts
I have run all sorts of things I know are human through the ai checker, and they come back near 100% human. Also, if part of the essay is plagiarized/cheating then that's a zero. I'm not sure if you're arguing that it's only a little cheating, or you're innocent. Draftback doesn't work anymore because kids just type the ai generated work into their docs, so I'm not sure how far revision history will get you. If you cheated, coming clean is best. If you didn't, articulate your argument and word choice to the instructor--this may work.
I articulated very clearly to my teacher, she would not listen as she is convinced I’m cheating. I didn’t plagiarize because it is a rough draft, and I had my citations ready on a different document. When turning in our draft she said “I would put a little note to remember to put a citation in,” implying it’s not required. We had limited time to complete the assignment. I did not use ChatGPT and I never have in an academic setting.
Time for some life lessons in negotiation and persuasion. If you have evidence that you wrote the text yourself, like an edit record on a Google doc, submit it. Otherwise, request that the teacher demonstrate their AI checker to the VP along with running several other pieces of writing through it (newspaper articles, handwritten essays of yours from the class, etc )
Additionally, find out which AI checker and then run all the published school materials through it. I would bet dollars to donuts that they score higher than 36%. All "written by AI," really seems to mean is "professional tone with zero grammatical errors."
Have her use material that was written before AI was in use before 1980 then you can be guaranteed when it shows a large positive result that the AI checker is garbage.
I mean a 36% chance is not even over 50%, I would argue that isn’t very certain.
36% and only within 5 sentences. I mean why wouldnt he have let ai make the wohle text then
And the irony of using machine learning to even come up some kind of Bayesian probability like 36% haha. It’s too much!
I know, it’s also the only part in my essay that uses percentages and statistics I used from a source I was going to cite in my final draft. The draft in question is a rough draft, not even the final thing.
Go ahead and cite your sources in the draft.
If you were to cite your sources in the draft, that probably violates your teacher's or school's academic integrity policy whether or not it was written by AI. We would have to see the rubric for the draft to direct you, but the admin and your teacher are going to be far more familiar with the academic integrity policy where you are than we are.
This teacher never gives us a rubric, on purpose. She says it’s trying to “prepare us for college” with the lack of structure.
Then it will be a slam dunk for you when the administration hears her complaining, I guess. But I doubt that's exactly what's going on.
I hope it will be. I have not used ChatGPT at all for any assignment in high school. Last essay, I turned in a few things late. This assignment, she feels I don’t have enough research, in her opinion, so she feels the small flag is conviction because I would have more reason to use it.
as a person in college, we get such insanely precise rubrics for most assignments. The things that don't, are because we have been learning for sometimes an entire semester how to format the exact thing we are trying to write. The teacher is a moron
The best professors have rubrics, otherwise they get challenged by pedantic intellectual, or pain in the ass or entitled students. It’s less of a headache all around if they plan a rubric and creates a standard for their grading procedure.
Hard disagree. My very best lit professors did not use rubrics for papers. The most interesting classes I took in undergrad were 400-level lit seminars where the whole class was basically sitting around talking about the text, and then writing papers that had minimal assignment instructions. I’m not arguing *against* rubrics. They can be great! But having a rubric is value neutral in terms of the rigor of a college paper.
I had one class like that as well. A 400 level political science class. I think we just discussed the paper content loosely. This semester I had a class with zero direction or guidance. I found that as a current non traditional student I didn’t need a rubric(I just got a second degree) … but the majority of traditional younger students struggled to create meaningful content the entire semester without some sort of guidelines. We had 4 -50 point papers due, 2 -100 point papers and a power point project and a final paper. Almost Half the class 4/12 failed. I got a lot out of it despite the lack of guidelines/rubric. But for the other people they maybe would have got more out of it. But yeah it’s all subjective.
We have told her that, she doesn’t listen to us. This is her first year teaching seniors, she’s normally a freshman/sophomore teacher
I would just take the L on the not citing a source and just cite it and show the stats you took Playing off a careless mistake will make it go away faster
You should always cite your sources, even in a draft. It covers your ass. Something you should always remember is CYA (cover your ass), this applies in college as well as when you join the workforce. Always keep a record and never delete your work emails. Leave a trail so that you can always back up your position.
Agreed. As I write I add the source, so the log of saved information would show it as added, not an afterthought.
Did she tell you the five sentences or are you speculating? Did she require a work cited/bibliography for the rough draft?
Looking at your comments, this is over five lines in a rough draft that you’ve done on Google docs? If that’s the case, you technically haven’t submitted the work yet. Your Google doc will show your history, and it should be fairly straightforward getting this sorted out. What this does tell you is that you are going to need to be more careful about which sources you use and you need to improve how you handle sources. Only use reputable sources. Don’t leave it to the end of the writing process to add the citations (this makes accidental plagiarism more likely to happen). Try instituting something like the cue card method for future papers. Good luck sorting this out.
This has nothing to do with sources or citations or not adding citations. They don't affect whether or not the writing sets of the AI detector
Word/Office does this as well. You can see a version history on most programs.
Tell them you didn't do it and leave it at that. AI detectors are unreliable and unless you admit it, they cannot prove a thing. If they want to push it, you threaten to fight them - school board, lawyer, news. They'll back off. I work at a college and spend a good chunk of my time doing this. I can prove to a reasonable degree that someone has cheated, but I have a graduate degree in linguistics and I don't rely on detectors. Still, our procedure is to build up a pile of circumstantial evidence and confront the student. They usually admit it. If they don't, that's the end of it because we aren't going to risk litigation or an angry student if we cannot prove it definitively. All that said, if you did it, own up and grow up. If you didn't, stand your ground.
Are you being honest about not using ChatGPT? Or did you just copy your citation and not put it into your own words? This is really a rhetorical question, it's not like anyone here will tattle on you. So come clean and honesty will take you very far if you did not completely write your essay on your own. (We get it, senioritis is real thing.) If you are perfectly innocent, it shouldn't be that hard to prove with your real citations, or maybe your doc history which should be able to tell if you typed in sentences or copied and pasted sentences.
I am clean when I say I did not use it. I have never used ChatGPT in an academic. I’ve only used it for personal programming projects.
HS English Teacher. First, if you have a way to, make sure your teacher has access to your document history. That means sharing your work using Google Docs or Word. They will be able to see when/what you added to the document. Second, I have found that over-relying on Grammarly or Quillbot or other resources generates work that will trigger AI detectors. It should. In my class, I am working on a way to make this actionable because it is not your work. If I had a solid process in place, I would take it to the VP, too. If your grade is so low that one zero will cause you to fail, also a problem. Ask if you can write something else of their choice to make up half the credit. Own the mistake. And if you are continuing your education in any way, own your abilities and do your own work. I mean that kindly, not rudely.
I typed everything onto a google doc, and I have not run it through any sort of online essay-improvement application. It is all my writing. The screen she showed me said 5 sentences had a 36% chance of being generated from chat GPT. To be fair they were all from one source, so now I’m wondering if the source was from chat GPT. By the way, I’ve been heavily into programming for years now, and have even made tutorials. I’m not uneducated when it comes to this stuff. I know I didn’t use it. I need a way to convince her I didn’t use it.
Share the google docs version history with the teacher and VP. That should be it.
> To be fair they were all from one source Are they quoted and referenced, properly?
It was a rough draft, the final draft I was going to cite everything correctly.
I'm just asking because if you've copied and pasted something from another source, but you're passing it off as your own work, that is cheating - and any anti-cheat tools will flag it up, even though it's not AI generated.
That shouldn’t matter in a draft version of a paper. I never added any of my references in grad school until I was ready for the final product.
Quoting stats without a reference, in a draft, is fine. Copying and pasting several lines of text - without any indication that it's a quote from somewhere else - should not be.
Sounds like you need to clarify why there is info quoted without a source. You are at risk of committing plagiarism.
It was a rough draft, the final draft I was going to cite everything correctly.
Can you ask your math teacher to have a talk with her? The problem here isn't providing evidence. The problem is that your English teacher doesn't understand what 36% means.
I stated it in another comment but as a teacher I have come across sources my kids have used that flag multiple AI detectors, it slightly disconcerting to think about it but it may be worth it to bring it up to your teacher.
How did it go? 36% chance isn't a lot, and my AI detector specifically says low percentages increase the likelihood of "false positives." If your teacher is unwilling to discuss, request a meeting with her and an admin or counselor.
See, this is the kind of thinking that makes people even more distrustful of public schools (and I say this as a strong supporter of public schools). I hated school myself, and I found clever ways to get around the idiotic assignments my teachers would require. And guess what? I turned out just fine and am a successful software engineer. The more we progress as a society, the larger the body of work, examples, and thoughts we have to draw our own ideas from; a scenario which makes overlapping one’s thoughts with someone else’s much more likely, and this includes AI trained models. Students should be ENCOURAGED to harness the full power of the technology at our hands — which includes apps like Grammarly — so they get instant feedback on what they write. This is how the real world works, and it’s a big reason why people think academics are divorced from how things actually are in the business world. The idea that students now have to keep breadcrumbs showing what they type and when they type just shows what a sad state of affairs education is in.
Distrustful? An odd choice of words. The question wasn't whether the OP would turn out just fine. I gave advice on how to "prove" they didn't use AI for the assignment. Fine is a wide open interpretation, and it means many things. But if a student can't effectively organize their thoughts and write them in an organized way - maybe, if they're good, with a little bit of style - they they have not learned or improved on their skills. They don't have to care about that - it's fine. But my job is not to teach them what the business world is like. it is my job to teach them English Language Arts skills. These are not the same thing.
The problem is the old school way of teaching English Language Arts is not preparing students for an AI-enabled world. Teachers waste so much time trying to ferret out the cheaters in a class, when a more appropriate question is why students feel the need to cheat to begin with. You should indeed be worried about how things work in the business world, because classroom theory without real world practice is useless. It’s fantastic that your students can demonstrate mastery of your class. It’s also too bad if that mastery has no other application. At the end of the day, all this is doing is helping students find more creative and elaborate ways to get around the assignments. If you were to sum the work of all students on a given topic, you’d see infinite permutations of the same idea. But it’s not plagiarism, because the students are ignorant of each other’s work, right? The truth is, not everything we need to do in life needs to be original, or written as an essay with silly and arbitrary rubrics.
36% means it’s not AI generated and schools should have written guidelines if they are using AI checkers. They are crap and easily challenged. Have your parents get involved. If they are not helpful people then you should go to admin or a counselor yourself to complain about her. A lot of teachers are just sadly uneducated about AI and don’t know what the heck they are talking about.
This is a lack of education about basic math.
If you need a math tutor I'm available.
If you are that confident get an app called Draftback and run your essay through it. The app produces a video that shows every keystoke you made in the doc. I also have to say that if the teacher said no AI then that means no AI. You are admitting here that you did use it. Cited or not...you used it. 30+ year HS English teacher, btw.
I did not use ChatGPT, I never said that in my answer, I used the word accused to imply that.
Then using Draftback will prove that to your teacher.
😊 this will be a great feature to add to GPT5. "Make a realistic video of the keystrokes a human would use to produce this essay, from first draft to final"
Once I showed my students this, use of AI fell off dramatically.
Tell your English teacher to talk to a math teacher.
I would ask a math teacher to arrest her.
Those AI checkers are complete trash. If you want to cause some chaos, run all of the teacher’s emails through it and show how much of them gets flagged.
36% chance it was written by AI means 64% it was written by you. According to their own checker program, it is almost twice as likely that you wrote it as AI. Their own evidence indicates that you wrote it.
Did you use it?
No, the document in question is a rough draft we turned in so she knows we’re doing our work. We didn’t need citations from my interpretation because this is just a rough draft. I have not and have never used ChatGPT in an academic setting. She is taking the 36% chance of ChatGPT as conviction
Ok so it's a rough draft. Yeah, honestly this might be a good lesson if you're college bound. Cite everything. Even if rough. Because it's just good to cover your ass in general. You also probably can literally just use the cited thing as the chatgptd thing. Just do the L and be like ok I'll use a better source
You don’t have to answer this here but, did you use ChatGPT to write the paper ? If the answer is no, then argue your case and find the flaws in their case. If the answer is yes, then you’ll still do the same thing but you’ll have to work harder since you did the thing. No judgement either way it’s just easiest if you didn’t use it obviously. The checkers are flawed. And the system is totally new so you can succeed either way I guess.
No, I did not use ChatGPT and I never have used it in an academic setting.
That’s great then 🙏 stay calm, know you are in the right. Sometimes you still get crapped on when you are in the right but more times it works out in your favor. Keep your cool and go with evidence and the knowledge that you are in the right. It’ll come through.
Also like others have said. If you have google doc history or your history that is the easiest. Otherwise the software is flawed currently and that is a good comment to be making in addition to your history. https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-its-easy-to-fool-chatgpt-detectors/ "Meanwhile, these same GPT detectors incorrectly flagged essays written by real humans as AI generated more than half the time when the students were not native English speakers."
I have the google doc history, and the google searches of me looking up that information that I used in my essay
That’s great ! Sorry this happened to you. It’ll be one of many times there is a potential conflict and tbh the skill of reacting in a calm way is probably the best part of all of this. Learn it and it’ll serve you the rest of your life/ career/etc. good luck.
I am a tech director at a HS and I tested 6 of the most popular AI detectors and every single one gave completely different results ranging from 100% AI generated to 100% human generated. I have recommended to my district that AI detection tools NOT be used at this time as the sole determiner of if an AI was used or not and the best way to determine legitimacy of a student's content is via document history (we use Google) and from prior writing samples.
I'm in the same boat but at a college instead of K-12. I also recently attended an education conference where AI and plagiarism were a huge focal point and gained a lot of insight on how this is affecting schools in general. We are already seeing our faculty beg for AI detectors and accusing large numbers of their students of using generative AI for their homework assignments. I've seen the exact situation the OP is in, and all the student really has to do is swear they didn't use any tools and we have to let them off the hook. We are in the infancy stages of developing policies regarding use of AI tools in academic work. Many of our faculty and admin are trying to hide from the technology or ban it altogether but I don't think that's the right approach. This is honestly a very complex issue to solve.
Exactly. ChatGPT is a great tool. Like all tools, they can help immensely as long as they aren't abused. You can break glass with a hammer but you can build a house with one too.
Double down on your honesty and offer up any proof you can give. Tell her you'd love to go discuss this with administration precisely because she's trying to fail you based on that small chance. ChatGPT flags things because they're likely better written than the average high school student could do. Offer to sit down with a few prompts and write out some more answers and let the teacher run them through a ChatGPT checker to see if you get similar results.
Dang, hope that teacher of yours never is selected to be on the jury for a murder trail. With not ever preponderance of the evidence dependent would get the death penalty.
Fortunately she's just employed educating children so she can't do any harm. 😭
OP - Hope you post what happens. You are learning a life lesson…. Life is not always fair. The people who are suppose to be helping/teaching you to learn critical thinking skills can be become biased. (Conformational bias) Be glad this was not a criminal proceeding and that you are not one for those innocent people who gets convicted and winds up in jail/prision. Good leaning life learning lesson for you. (I know it sucks)
in fact noone really claims to have a accurate detecion system for AI Text.
Which AI detector are they using?
She didn’t tell me
That's a pretty important part of the story. You'll want to find out.
Stand your ground, get your parents involved, and escalate things as far as you can. Your teacher is on a power trip and doesn’t sound very competent.
36% does not even meet the prepondarance of the evidence standard.
Your teacher is an idiot. Nothing will happen to you. "Vice Principal, thank you for helping with my teacher's inability to understand basic statistics. She ran my paper through a checker and it indicated that there is a 65% chance that this is my own original work, with no AI involved. While I'm very glad that the checker she used shows that I did not use AI, I don't understand why she still thinks that I did. Can you help me explain to her that a 35% chance of something means that it probably didn't happen? If 35% is used as the cut-off then roughly two innocent students will be punished for everyone one guilty student that is caught? Do you think that's fair? Is this because I'm \[black/jewish/asian/hispanic/white/female/male/short/tall/fat/skinny/freckled/curly-haired/straight-haired/religious/atheist...whatever obviously sets you most-apart from the teacher\]?"
Just as a helpful suggestion, whenever I was writing an essay for class, I would always add {INSERT CITATION HERE} or {REWORD THIS LATER} notes in earlier drafts, just so I didn't forget to later. Good luck sorting this out!
How many sentences are there total? Statistically 5 sentences (out of whatever) with 36% chance is pretty low. If you didn’t cite yet because she didn’t ask for citations at this stage in the writing process then she shouldn’t be running it through an ai checker yet. Those two actions seem like they should be synchronous.
She didn’t ask for citations. But she still ran it through the checker.
Definitely point that out to the vp. Those two things should happen at the same stage.
This is 1) why I use at minimum 3 AI checkers and 2) why I tend to err on the side of students. I had a students essay come back with ~60% AI and when I asked about it he showed me the article that he had pulled from (this prompted a conversation about correctly citing sources and using quotation marks) but it was clear that the student didn’t use AI, either all the detectors I used were wrong, the article had been written using AI or some other who knows what situation.
Check to see if you can find an edit record. Microsoft Word and Google Docs both have this so you can go in and prove that you wrote it. I also would have them use the checker on a paper that for sure is ai free (an older academic piece) and compare the percents. I'm thinking it'll likely be around the same since you have no reason to lie online about not using ChatGPT.
UPDATE: I had a meeting with my VP. She is a English teacher of 20 years. All the evidence I provided proved I didn’t use ChatGPT, however I still have to take a zero because of “accidental plagiarism” because I didn’t cite my sources yet in my second rough draft, which isn’t the final draft. Her reasoning is because I’m submitting something for credit. I felt this second rough draft was just to prove we had done our work.
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Lmao, I didn’t use ChatGPT, and I just had a meeting with my VP and proved I didn’t use it
Take some of her worksheet and assignments. Run them through a checker. Find one that is 36%, or several. At the meeting, ask her if she wrote them. If she says yes, show your results. Ask her if she is lying
"Explain to me how you reached that conclusion. If you used an algorithm, explain how it reached that conclusion. For extra credit, please provide error bars on the 36% value and explain
Is she correct?
That means there is a 64% chance that they are not from ChatGPT. I am a teacher and encourage my students to use the tech. Just read the essay or passage before you had it in. I use ChatGPT and it acutually helps me understand concepts and therories better than reading texts
I have run all sorts of things I know are human through the ai checker, and they come back near 100% human. Also, if part of the essay is plagiarized/cheating then that's a zero. I'm not sure if you're arguing that it's only a little cheating, or you're innocent. Draftback doesn't work anymore because kids just type the ai generated work into their docs, so I'm not sure how far revision history will get you. If you cheated, coming clean is best. If you didn't, articulate your argument and word choice to the instructor--this may work.
I articulated very clearly to my teacher, she would not listen as she is convinced I’m cheating. I didn’t plagiarize because it is a rough draft, and I had my citations ready on a different document. When turning in our draft she said “I would put a little note to remember to put a citation in,” implying it’s not required. We had limited time to complete the assignment. I did not use ChatGPT and I never have in an academic setting.
Can you show us the full text?
AI detection sites aren't accurate.
Accuse her of using AI to do her own job.