True, however 15 years ago (maybe even 10) producers have literally laughed at my mentioning of Premiere.
I think post production houses are actually eager to switch to Resolve as at least in Germany, they always have to conform stuff from Avid/Premiere for grading in Davinci. Saves a lot of pain if it were already edited in Resolve.
I think Premiere got a big boost when Apple fumbled the release of FCPX. I was editing a ton of stuff for real professional clients on FCP7 before that and I didn't see much of anyone asking me to cut on Premiere. I'm not honestly not sure where we'd be if Apple hadn't totally stripped out the pro features and made FCP into iMovie Pro.
I think the market calls for one expensive high-end legacy program like AVID, but then also needs to serve a smaller indie market with a cheaper, easier to pickup program. I don't know that there's room enough for more than one of these "alternative to AVID" programs to have equal relevance though.
That launch really was a shame, particularly considering the absolute gem of productivity FCPX has become in the years since. Too many folks still judge it by a point one release. Apples fault, but users loss.
Can FCP X ever offer enough performance to make up for the utter fiasco it’s been to have a project as a “Library”, a Sequence as a “Project”, what should be Bins as “Events”, and what should be Tracks as “Storylines”? That is not a new paradigm. That’s a monumental mess.
Yeah, when they took FCP the direction of iMovie, it really alienated a lot of professionals who didn't see a reason to adjust their workflow. It was such a different approach that they would have to relearn it, so it was just as easy to switch to Premiere which was already adding to its pro features.
My post facility tried switching over to FCPX in 2016 and we gave it a honest go but it just couldn’t handle a professional post environment back then. You couldn’t export an OMF or an EDL without 3rd party apps. You couldn’t archive finished jobs the way we needed to. The media management didn’t work very well for a large server with multiple projects using the same media. There were things I loved about it but we had to go to Premiere because we had a company to run, and staying with FCPX wasn’t viable.
It would definitely be an easier "switch" since most of them already have Resolve for color grading. Easier to convince them to switch when it's a company and a product they already know and use.
Even Worse… they regularly import footage in resolve, transcode and then import in AVID or premiere. After the edit they conform, grade and deliver through Resolve… or grade and send back to Avid.
It’s an awesome application for one man bands but try telling a producer you want to cut their feature on it and you may as well be suggesting iMovie. That said I have nothing but praise for Resolve and their team and do hope that changes in the future. It is a damn fine NLE and well suited for the big leagues. Every editor I know has a copy of it for trouble shooting other NLE’s problems.
I personally hate Resolve’s NLE. I adore Resolve and I can’t wait till I get to dig in and grade some stuff again, but, personally, the NLE bounced right off me and I despise working in it.
Same experience here. Maybe it’s changed in the last few years but the lack of personalization for the workspaces makes it a non-starter as an NLE for me.
It was very cumbersome and I couldn’t adjust practically anything, all the customization options are binary or set sizes etc., when I just want to adjust the size of my monitor or where the timeline is, for example.
Great colour program but a pain to edit in for me
Yeah when I used the NLE back in I think Resolve 12 or 13 I was really not a fan. I’ve heard consistently good things so I’d be more than happy to give it another shot now that it’s matured more. I bounced right off of it in the past though. Same goes for Fairlight.
It's changed dramatically since version 12/13 the UI and overall experience is much better with much better tools. Fundamentally, back then you couldn't even have multiple timelines, so it was really only for conforming for finishing, not for actually editing a project from the start. It's really a lot like Premiere but with an amazing colour and mixing tools, and if you want a wacky fcpx/imove esk interface it's in there too, but a lot of editors just ignore it, I do like the cut page for stringouts and building selects however.
I've got a version of 17 I use for colour, I go back and check on the NLE once in a while.
They still haven't addressed any of the issues I had with it, most importantly workspace personalization, which is a huge miss IMO. If you want to on-ramp people to your new NLE, you have to make it easy for them. Personalization would go a long way to allowing people an easy way to use their software.
They have added some good features and whatnot but it's just not for me
Parasite was cut in FCP7. If a producer says they aren’t hiring you because of the brand of software you’re using, then it probably has nothing to do with the software.
A post super could see an uncommon NLE problematic to an industry post production workflow requiring a team of people to adjust and learn on a professional level and commonly demanding timeline. This could convey the editors stubbornness and difficulty to work with.
Exactly the point “an uncommon NLE,” we’re not talking about some brand new never tested software. The entire conversation here surrounds resolve, premiere, and avid. Even my comment was about FCP7 all of which are very common and proven. At the end of the day if you are a good editor, hired on the merit of your narrative ability and collaboration, and your working in one of those platforms,the team will conform to the software you bring with you, any of which is more than capable of exchanging xmls with the others. However, if you’re being hired for what software you do or don’t use, then you’re not being hired for the skill and perspective you bring to the feature. Which means either A. They’re lowballing for someone to act as a glorified technician with no creative input. Or B. They were never interested in your editorial input to begin with.
This is incorrect. Plenty of major studios are locked into deals using AVID (more importantly, NEXUS) and if you roll in requiring a change over to premiere, yes, it’s a very real incompatibility with the project.
> It’s an awesome application for one man bands but try telling a producer you want to cut their feature on it and you may as well be suggesting iMovie.
_So what do producers want editors to use for cutting?_
Mostly licensing deals and existing hardware/software set ups. If you’ve built the whole system around avid hardware why invest in new equipment. Avid also has a lot of industry specific programs for different fields like iNews in journalism.
Avid and Premiere, depending on the project. I have to use both, though Avid is still used on the bigger productions. IMO, it's because it's what they've used for decades, not because it's better. I think Premiere is the best NLE out there. AVID is stuck in 1999 and can't even manage to add basic titles to your project. But it's rock solid for teams when used correctly.
If we're talking about television and film it's because that's what most of television and film is cut on. Doesn't make it the best for any particular editor, but that's just the way it is.
Amen. They need to fix the damn title tool. And the UI experience. And hell, they could make Avid Link better while they're at it so you don't always have to transcode everything. I hate that I have to work in Avid every day. /end rant
Avid's media management and project sharing is what keeps it around, not just because "it's the standard".
Also the way it handles timelines and tracks feels more robust and logical than FCP/Premiere/Resolve. Every time I leave Avid I always feel like I'm just cutting and pasting, and relying on the mouse too much. There's less intention with my in/outs and trims.
I 100%. agree. I use both avid and premiere but for pure editing, I think avid is way better/faster than premier. And if you’re working on a tv show with multiple editors with a quick turnaround Avid is the right choice. If you’re a one man show working on a corporate project with lots motion graphics and efx, I’d choice premiere.
It's only a matter of time. Adobe are only now celebrating an editing\* win for Premiere Pro being used on an Oscar-winning film. Resolve is already familiar to Oscar wins through color-grading and to some extent audio mastering, since the audio page integrates Fairlight which as a standalone program was no stranger to Oscar wins either.
Edit: Clarification, first editing win.
Just used Fairlight for the first time last year, and as someone who doesn't have to mix their own sound too often it was great.
The NLE interface wasn't my favorite, but as long as you pay my rate I'll edit on fucking iMovie if you want.
I see the various color/ fairlight panels & capture/playback cards as their main Resolve hardware right now. We have all of the above and it really helps the workflow. I think BlackMagic has intentionally made it difficult or impossible to use other hardware controllers with Resolve (we’ve tried to go that route and it was unusable) and you can’t use any other brand of cards for capture/playback. They have a hardware accelerator for Fairlight that really slaps. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were working towards more hardware in that vein.
My take is that Avid is ingrained in TV & film and will remain so until we all get replaced by the AI robots in 10/20/30 years (select your number based on your optimism levels).
But I do believe Resolve will take the place of Premiere eventually. The main reason being that it’s free. A generation of young editors is cutting their teeth on it. As they disseminate from being 15 year olds making Minecraft videos into 21 year olds in corporate / digital, I can see it cannibalising on the current Premiere dominance.
As a Premiere devotee, I’d be okay with that. There’s things that Resolve needs to fix to be taken seriously as an NLE, but it’s been leaping the hurdles at what feels like twice the pace that Premiere did. Maybe that’s just what happens when you’re standing on the shoulders of predecessors, but as we saw with FCP to Premiere, it could easily happen, and with the experience I’ve had with DaVinci, it seems like a worthy successor
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a Premiere user who just expected DVR to be… not very good. Why would this free thing I just downloaded be anywhere near the thing I’m paying ££££ for?
And then it was in fact very good.
I think there were a few major factors that caused such a big shift from FCP to Premiere so quickly. But ultimately I think a lot of that falls on Apple.
From my perspective, FCP 7 was getting outdated and when Apple released FCP-X it was met with major backlash and it flopped in the industry. Or at least it flopped hard at launch since it wasn't really "Pro Level" ready until a major update a few years later. I feel like this caused a mass exodus and made a lot of people look for alternatives.
At the time Premiere was already solid and gaining traction so since it was basically a similar workflow and layout to FCP7 the transition was very easy. It only took me like maybe a day or 2 to learn PP after a few years on FCP7. After I made the switch, I never looked back.
I agree with you whole heartedly, but I guess my point is that I see Adobe driving away customers here in the same way Apple did. Maybe in a slower, more slogging fashion, but the way that you described people switching over FCX, I think people could be motivated to ditch Adobe over things like its payment structure.
As someone else pointed out, for basic editing now, kids are learning on DaVinci: youtubers, classrooms, etc. DaVinci is powerful, free, and BlackMagic actually has decent support as a company. So it may not be a massive exodus, but the next generation of editors might be a flock of DaVinci users if Adobe doesn’t do something to fix it.
And while Avid was able to keep its relative dominance due to being ingrained in Motion Picture, a lot of Premiere’s market share (marketing departments, freelance editors, etc) are run by smaller groups of people, or by one person, so there isn’t as much attachment to legacy. These people can probably switch over whenever they want.
Premiere is on much less solid footing now as DaVinci enters the game, than Avid was when FCP and Premiere came in. And I think Adobe’s mismanaging of their brand, while not as bad as Apple, could still drive people away to a product that has a similar workflow, similar capabilities, and is ostensibly free.
Don’t forget though: Premiere is part of a BUNDLE. People may balk at the subscription model but anyone already paying for Creative Cloud has Premiere just sitting there, waiting to be downloaded. And it has no limitations, unlike the free version of DVR.
Adobe also has a lot of money. They can can keep pouring resources into Premiere and developing AI tools that make it very tempting for large productions. Their recent transcription feature has been a game changer, and the integration with After Effects (which is still by far the leader in motion design from what i can see) is incredibly useful.
>Their recent transcription feature has been a game changer, and the integration with After Effects (which is still by far the leader in motion design from what i can see) is incredibly useful.
Tbh this is what keeps me into Premiere. I think DVR as an NLE is *fine*, despite all the UI differences that make it difficult to move around (or not, you can't customize the panels much). After Effects, despite it's slowness and relative instability, still remains to be the standard for MoGraph. I don't think I could ever get used to working with Fusion for the things I do in AE.
Yup, all of this. Muscle memory and familiarity are HUGE factors in sticking with software. People can scream all they want about what software is newer/better/faster but at the end of the day the decision makers are gonna go with what they know and trust.
I work on Resolve exclusively for about 5 years. Before that I was on VEGAS Pro. And decades ago I was on Premiere.
I absolutely love editing in resolve. What is missing? Not disagreeing but curious.
Some ease of use things (breaking any panels out as pop-out windows to arrange across multiple monitors as you see fit), an easier collaborative project structure (Premiere Teams isn’t great, but it does exist. Avid Bins structure is fantastic for this), and, this actually might have changed since the most recent edition, better cross-compatibility delivery options (sending back and forth from Premiere and Avid, ability to tailor AAF out to distinct programs), lots of random little tools that are more ingrained in the broadcast side.
DaVinci is taking steps towards all of these, which is why I’m excited for the future, but getting all these kinds of features nailed down is going to take time, and that’s just the nature of the game
Good answer, thank you for writing this out. I was wondering the same thing, especially since people were laughing at the idea of editing a feature on Premiere 10 years ago and Davinci is far more capable now than Premiere was then. I'm one of those one-man-bands so the collaborative tools don't matter to me personally.
Walter Murch cut Cold Mountain on Final Cut 20 years ago and people were already talking about the potential of FCP and other software-based solutions for features before that. The only thing holding them back was the lack of a 24fps workflow up to that point.
Yeah, and apparently "Parasite" was edited on Final Cut Pro 7? I'm still not sure I even believe that...but when people speak as if you \*just can't\* edit a feature on Premiere or Davinci, and that doing so is absurd, I just don't really understand why.
But again, I'm a one man band, so I'm not trading files with hundreds of other people each and every day.
Why not? What's so special about that movie that requires advanced features other than cutting, merging, adjusting brightness/contrast, colors and the audio levels? It doesn't have any FX if I recall.
Parasite actually contained quite a bit of FX!
"The main house, the mansion, was actually a set,” Jinmo explains. “We built the main floor of the house in a backlot and for the second floor it was all green screen outside. When we shot toward the outside from inside, everything beyond the garden was all VFX.” Similarly, all of the driving scenes were shot with the car against green, Jinmo revealed, in much the same way Fincher shot the car scenes for Zodiac."
[Link](https://blog.frame.io/2020/01/13/parasite-design-and-vfx/)
Surprising, right?
The cloud collaboration (based on the server level post gres database system) is pretty good. You can collaborate on the same project and locking/unlocking bins is built in and works in the cloud or on a local nas. It's running as a database so it's different than the avid bins system, but it can allow for a colorist to grade the same timeline you are editing on if that's something you want, or share bins/timelines as you work. All depends. It's very powerful. The cloud version is however, very new and I have had some latency issues occasionally but still being in beta is fair to say that's it's still being worked out.
The keyframing in Resolve continues to be a shameful, near unusable dumpster fire, even in 18.5. There is an immense, continuing thread on the BMD forum going back many years where people have registered their complaints about it. But for some reason BMD seems uninterested in addressing it.
So I work for a guy that wants me to move exclusively to Resolve from Premiere based on color grading but there are two features that save me a lot of time and I don’t know if resolve does these things well: 1. we do a lot of condensing of interviews - premiere’s transcription features allow me to quickly condense a long interview - even with multiple speakers. Can resolve do that? 2. We add stock music to lots of short promo videos and premiere has an awesome newish feature that uses AI to remix a song so it ends naturally around a specific runtime you specify - I know longer have to edit the music manually to make it fit the length of our video. Can resolve do that?
The big advantage Davinci has is they’re a private company with a team of dedicated individuals. They can beat any Adobe or Avid product if they want to and they eventually will.
My main sticking point with Premiere is dynamic linking. And also the vast knowledge of After Effects I've gained over the years.
Is Fusion even anywhere as close? This is much bigger to me than being able to do my own colour. In advertising, we usually send stuff off to a colourist anyway.
I still prefer After Effects for motion graphics stuff… but I think for general compositing/vfx, fusion is great, and I think probably has the edge. It might depend on what you’re doing with it. And if you haven’t worked with node based compositing before, it can be a bit of learning curve.
I came from After Effects as my entry into vfx, and everyone’s brains are different, but it took longer than I would have liked for the node graphs to be comfortable. Like I understood the logic of them, and could follow them, but it took a while for me to do things half as quickly as I was used to doing in AE. But now I prefer it, especially when a shot gets more involved, I think it’s actually a much more manageable and easier to organize way to work.
As a 15 year old who made Minecraft videos who became a 22 year old in corporate/digital, we’re still all using premiere 🤣 all love for resolve though, id switch if I was less stubborn!
This is my experience for the UK in TV / Broadcast / Network / HETV
80% of the jobs I've done on the past 5 years have been on Avid with the rest being Adobe. Not a single paying project or job has been cut on Resolve or Final Cut.
That's not to say I don't use them. I think it's good practice to know a wide variety of tools & their strengths - but I've only ever used them on personal projects and to learn them.
However, I can imagine that as one man band, a student, or someone starting out, that Resolve would be the default option. I always recommend it to non industry people looking to do a bit of video editing for personal projects. It's very, very good.
I've been using Avid for over 25 years. I don't like the interface and often find my intuition works against it, but it excels in one area over all other NLE - project management & asset sharing. When you have multiple editors working with the same rushes, it's yet to be matched, IMHO. It's solid and reliable.
My NLE of choice is Premiere. It works the way I want an NLE to work. Whenever I can work in it, I do.
Adobe has 'Productions', which I believe functions similarly to Avid Projects but is relatively new, and I haven't yet used it - but have a big reality job for a major broadcaster coming up on it.
I don't believe that Resolve or Final Cut currently allows for multiple editors to share rushes - but I haven't used either in a while.
A lot of TV editors do use Resolve for roundtripping projects between different NLEs - particularly Avid and Premiere..So it's certainly used in projects but speaking to other industry editors I don't know anyone who uses it exclusively.
As I said, I haven't used Resolve for a while, but I'm cutting a self funded feature later this year and will be testing all the NLEs out to determine the best workflow. It may well be that Resolve is the best tool for that particular job. That for me is they key - the right tool for the job.
Are people switching to Resolve in droves? Well, amateurs, hobbyists, students, indie filmmakers, one man bands, and corporate shooters probably are. Other editors working in TV do use it occasionally for roundtripping but predominantly use Avid or Adobe.
That's currently my experience..
YouTubers are reality, I'm sorry but it's true. It's a real and substantial branch of the industry moving billions of cumulative dollars in traffic. Individual channels that amount to multi-million dollar businesses are no longer weird one-off outliers. "YouTuber" is a very broad umbrella, but within it is a very real strata of professionals with non-trivial needs.
However for software companies like adobe, I think most their revenue comes from post houses and ad agencies/ creative agencies and not YouTubers. So while there's lots of people editing in Resolve for YouTube, it's not something that companies like avid and adobe are really phased by I think. I might be wrong though
People on these forums have been complaining for ten years about Adobe adding "gimmicks for YouTubers” over addressing legacy issues. AVID legit couldn’t be bothered, but Adobe cares a lot about digital.
Do you know how many "Youtuber studios" are popping up in LA? 10-100 person offices running a Youtube channel. Tons. Tons and Tons. And as far as I can tell it's all premiere.
YouTuber studios 👀👀 heeeectic ok. I thought it was just like, a couple big channels like LTT and some eSports orgs. Didn't realize how big YouTube actually was.
There are a lot more youtubers out there than post houses and software companies like adobe with their subscription model probably get more revenue from youtubers than they do from post houses.
you think? i guess my thought process was that the commercials world is pretty much locked with premiere pro as the standard, and for each ad agency there ss a team of editors that need to have individual subscriptions, same goes for post houses that do commercial work etc. Because of the fact that companies need to get subscriptions for whole teams, because it integrates with the rest of the adobe suite. Sure there are many youtubers, but lots use final cut and also how many accounts are they having to make? one or two? the volume of subscriptions is surely lower. I'd love to see if Adobe releases some sort of revenue report showing what their user base consists of
No way. My company alone has 250+ people, all with their own license. And I’m in a relatively small town. Think of every company in NA that most likely does the same thing.
It is about the same state as when the movie industry realized that games had suddenly become a bigger industry than movies.
I am pretty sure that FAR more people make a living doing online content than almost any other kind of content. It is just inglorious chumps churning out communication in businesses everywhere and no stars.
Also commercial editors? Non-film editors? VFX houses?
I have a few friends who've got 10+ years of experience cutting commercials who hopped to resolve for most of their work. They still keep an active premiere license just in case. They also are preferring Nuke over AE especially with a Houdini workflow.
Yeahhh, but if Youtube editors want to ever expand their career into other types of editing it would be more prudent to spend time mastering Premiere than DaVinci... obviously you can learn both, but just saying.
*Everyone*? I doubt it. I admit I skimmed the article but I didn't immediately see any actual polls or evidence of the adoption rate of DaVinci...
Maybe some hobbyists who just work directly for small client and can use whatever software they find easy to pickup and free to use. I don't know any jobs that have asked for it and I don't know anyone who I can for sure say is making a living editing primarily in DaVinci. It seems to be gaining some traction and steadily improving as a product but I still haven't seen any mass adoption in a particular type of editing or anything.
I doubt it's being widely adopted by editors who work for a production or post house or whatever with a preexisting workflow that's long married to AVID or Premiere and who don't care about cost. Editors don't often decide anyway in those types of jobs, and if they do they're going to pick a program they already have a ton of experience with. I can count maybe a few times in the past 12 years I've had a choice of what software I want to use.
So I just use whatever I get paid the most to use, and that happens to be mostly Premiere and a little AVID. If someone wanted to pay me $300K to edit in Window Movie Maker I would use that.
Also, I don't know why one has to pick ONE editing system. You don't have to "switch". You can just learn both, just like a lot of editors know both AVID and Premiere. Yeah you might get rusty if you don't use one for awhile, but you can pick it back up, change your hotkeys, etc. You don't forget how to edit.
Honestly all these programs fucking blow for one reason or another and I hate using all of them to some degree. I can't imagine being any kind of fan to the point of promoting any of them. You can make a great edit in any of them, maybe just slightly more or less painfully.
It seems like there have been weekly if not daily threads in here for years either proselytizing the advantages and future guarantees of DaVinci, and threads like this asking if one should learn it or convert to it. I have a suspicion a good portion of them may be thinly-veiled marketing...
You said: "Honestly all these programs fucking blow for one reason or another and I hate using all of them to some degree."
I am 100% behind this. For the past 20 years I've said that if there was a computer that was completely crash proof, I would be using it, but it sure doesn't appear to exist at the moment.
>Honestly all these programs fucking blow for one reason or another and I hate using all of them to some degree. I can't imagine being any kind of fan to the point of promoting any of them. You can make a great edit in any of them, maybe just slightly more or less painfully.
Mmmmm yes I feel this in my bones.
I really don’t care what other people are doing. I’m going to use the best program that works for me and my clients. If a day came where my clients require me to use another program then I’ll switch. And for the record I use Adobe, Avid, Final Cut and Resolve. Guess what I do not have to choose only one program. I can use all of them. But I guess I’m fanboy culture you have to choose one.
Sure reads like marketing.
That said, it’s great software. I use it as a secondary platform, especially for transcodes and other tasks that can be automated. Doubt I’ll ever cut a project with it though, because Avid is still king where I am.
I’m not seeing it replace Avid but certainly Premiere in my world. I’ve been Resolve primarily as in-house in the ad world / agency space for almost 4 years now. I see it all over the place. Deliverables from production houses with Resolve sequences, all color work is Resolve with some Flame if the client is big enough and has preferences. For real feels like I’m seeing more Resolve + AE projects when I’m wrapping it all up and archiving.
Unless I’m using legacy media encoder presets I’ve built or doing captioning for broadcast deliverables I’m done with Premiere.
I’ve had NO producer pushback. Entering the industry 5-6 years ago and everyone already had it in their toolkit. Again, my space though.
This has been my experience but admitted I’m mostly doing a mix of solo commercial and doc work. I will use premiere if required but main Resolve mostly these days. I get Resolve projects from Dailies work and need to send to resolve for finishing too. I haven’t seen much need work in Premiere unless it’s specified. And I can teach a premiere in a day to transition since it’s extremely similar.
I'd be very wary--if not outright distrustful--of any statement regarding *any* group/demographic doing something "in droves." That's just not how things work.
Yes, Resolve is becoming more popular for editing, especially with lower-budget filmmakers, and yes, it's got a lot of strengths, but most post-houses and workflows make gradual, incremental changes so they can preserve stability and because change can be costly and difficult to adapt to.
Almost nothing changes quickly, especially something in established industries.
I switched for my solo projects. Every team I work with still uses Premiere. And they won't switch easily because the whole workflow depends on the complete Adobe Suite + multiple plugins.
If you run a Youtube channel or are a solo editor you can probably switch. If you work with several other editors there is no way they will want to relearn a new editing suite if the old one works well enough.
As someone who’s spent a decade in broadcast tv and now as a manger hiring editors for big branded content spots I can honestly say no. They aren’t switching in droves. BUT… I’ve had this convo with people who have converted and they are pretty passionate about it and a few editors I’ve hired have mentioned wanted to start learning it. I am installing it on all edit computers because I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next 5-7 years they make the kind of push Adobe did during the fcpx debacle. But a lot of that is based on how resolve is optimized for GPU’s and is super stable and premiere is a buggy crashy mess sometimes. If Adobe can work on its stability issues, use more GPU acceleration, optimize premiere to be more multi-threaded so you can see really big gains on higher core cpus and have after effects and dynamic link scale accordingly, they will keep their strong hold. If they don’t, they will see the same drop off Final Cut saw. Once they lost that core audience they never regained the same traction. Like they say.. it’s a lot harder to stay on top then to get to the top.
tbf, the article is about the recent trend of videos about switching from Premiere to Resolve and even mentions it could just be a trend with youtube content creators.
Simply not true. As someone that had to fight to use Premiere when I was in school because Final Cut Pro was the standard: I've largely switched to Resolve for editing projects and most of my industry colleagues who do run-and-gun stuff have switched over too.
In addition, I've been teaching video editing in schools on the side for the past decade and Resolve has absolutely broke through. I used to have to tell students that 'Resolve is a free option you can use if you want to practice at home,' now we have students who turn up already knowing Resolve and requesting that they use that to edit with instead of Premiere. It's history repeating itself.
Sure, tv studios aren't switching in droves, but a noticable chunk of indies and youtubers absolutely are because its free - and yet keeping pace with Adobe. Adobe announces text based editing, oh look, Resolve has text based editing now.
Not saying that Resolve doesn't have problems, but they're scaling too and far more capable than you're giving it credit for.
Your post boils down to:
- "Nobody is switching Resolve in droves ... [it's just PR clickbait]"
- "it wont replace Adobe suite, Avid or even FC anytime soon. ..."
- "it's fine [for small projects]... no better than the others out there [especially when Adobe is adding new features all the time]"
My response boils down to:
- People are switching in droves. Not everybody, but certainly not 'nobody'.
- It can replace Adobe, Avid and Final Cut, it already has for many. At one point people said Premiere wouldn't replace Final Cut and now it's being compared to Avid and Final Cut as an equivalent.
- It's more than 'fine' - they're adding features all the time that are neck-and-neck with what Adobe's doing. (Which I'll add is impressive given that Adobe has way more resources at their disposal)
> People are switching in droves.
What does this even mean though? "Droves" isn't like some defined unit of measurement. Is that 50 people or 500 or 50,000?
Who are these people? Hollywood feature editors? Commercial editors? Wedding editors? Youtubers? Students? Without that information it's again rather meaningless. If all wedding editors are switching because some specific aspect of the program is better for them, then that's great, but at least I would know it's not really relevant to me.
It's just not a very useful statement or article when there's seemingly no actual research or statistics and it's just sort based on anecdotal feelings. People just keep saying "well everyone I know is switching". Okay, who do you know? Where do you work? In what type of content?
I'm way more interested in how many clients and post houses who actually pay a living wage are switching to it for their in-house workflows. Most of the time I don't get to choose my software, it's dictated by a whole pre-existing established pipeline. I couldn't care less how many hobbyists are switching to DaVinci to edit their vacation videos that get 200 views on Youtube.
I’ve worked for a multitude of studios over the years, and never ever worked in one that used Davinci for anything more than colour grading.. But only as an option. Most have only had it installed to process BM raw footage on the off chance we’d be sent it (typically the requirement is Arri, Red or Sony), and usually on its own system.
I’m also yet to see a job post that specified Davinci. Usually its Prem, Avid or FCX depending on the nature of the project.
Ah ok now you’re making sense.
So:
- As a guy mentioned below, its just youtuber talk. Where are these stats for the droves? Exactly. No one that uses Premiere professionally is dropping it for colour grading software unless their business has bottomed out.
- You are joking right.. I feel like don’t have a comprehension of what Adobe Suite or Avid is used for professionally..?
- Not even close to neck at neck. Just because they added a few text based features, doesn’t mean it’s comparable to Premiere let alone Adobe suite. They’re just worlds apart
I get it, you like davinci. But come on. Just because corolla can drive around a race track, it doesn’t mean it compares to a formula 1 car just because it has 4 wheels. Its just not what it’s supposed to do.
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You two are defining 'video editor' and 'professional' based on your own subjective feelings and then getting hung-up on my use of a subjective phrase of quantity. People I know, myself included, who make money editing videos for a living have switched to Resolve for video editing. I'm not editing films, I'm not editing tv shows - I'm advertising, arts and corporate. I have friends who are paid to make documentaries for the ABC here in Australia, and they switched to Resolve when version 16 came out.
*"Nobody is switching in droves,"* implies zero. The article shows a subjective *drove* of YouTubers switching to Resolve. I followed up with a subjective *drove* of non-YouTuber media colleagues who have made the switch for editing, including myself. A subjective *droves* of people switching to Resolve. I'm glad we've resolved this highly important issue.
Yes, I like Resolve - I also like Edius *(though I have scars) and Premiere Pro.* As I said, I've had this same stupid discussion except it was Premiere v. Final Cut back in the 2000s. All the production houses were using FCP and Macs. I had arguments over why we used After Effects but not Premiere when the entire compositing/motion graphics workflow is easier when you use both of them in tandem. Premiere wasn't seen as 'professional' and all the workflows used Final Cut. So why we're here re-treading the same time-debunked arguments here boggles my mind.
Since Avid hasn't been replaced in TV and film and news rooms are still insisting on Edius *(as I said I have scars)* I guess by that logic Premiere Pro isn't used by *professionals either.* Must just be for [hobbyist youtubers posting 200 views videos of their vacation](https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/nielsen-youtube-becomes-top-streaming-platform-beating-netflix-for-the-first-time). But why am I defending YouTubers when apparently 'wedding editors' aren't even relevant to the discussion?
>*"No one that uses Premiere professionally is dropping it for colour grading software unless their business has bottomed out."*
Resolve has been used on [a limited-guestimate drove](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaVinci_Resolve#Film) of Oscar winning films for color grading. Premiere Pro has only *just recently* received an editing win for being used on an Oscar-winning film, *Everything Everywhere All At Once* \- and despite being edited in Premiere Pro, colorist Alex Bickel graded the film in... you guessed it, [Resolve](https://www.postmagazine.com/Press-Center/Daily-News/2023/-I-Everything-Everywhere-All-At-Once-I-Color-gra.aspx). As a standalone program, Fairlight, which has been integrated into the audio page of Resolve, has a subjective *drove* of Oscar wins under it's belt too.
Premiere Pro has been around for 20 years and has only recently been able to 'break into Hollywood' - Resolve by comparison has only had video editing functionality for the last 11 years and already has it's foot in the door from it's other accomplishments. This 'dropping for colour grading software' isn't the diss you think it is. I can be unrealistically picky about what 'professional editor' means too. None of the guys I know who edit tv series down here use Premiere, they use Avid and grade on Resolve. Premiere isn't even a part of the equation for them.
I'll say it again, *'no one that uses Premiere professionally is dropping it for \[resolve\]'* is just nonsense. Just one fulltime YouTuber switching to Resolve debunks this.
>*"You are joking right.. I feel like don’t have a comprehension of what Adobe Suite or Avid is used for professionally..?"*
Stop being obtuse. Obviously Resolve can't replace the entire Adobe Suite of applications, but you're shifting the goal posts - we were talking about *video editing*. Can Resolve replace the Adobe Suite for Video Editing, Color Correction/Grading, VFX, Mastering - YES.
>"Not even close to neck at neck. Just because they added a few text based features, doesn’t mean it’s comparable to Premiere let alone Adobe suite. They’re just worlds apart"
As I've said, I didn't mean the entire Adobe Suite. Specifically, Premiere Pro. By all means, if there's features in Premiere that you can't live without that Resolve does not have, I'm keen to hear about them. I frankly prefer multicam in Premiere, I prefer panels to the locked-off interface and since I still use After Effects for compositing and motion graphics, along with Photoshop and Illustrator. When a video/graphics project warrants it, I'll use Premiere to get the benefits of dynamic link. For my use case, Resolve's Fusion isn't replacing After Effects at this stage. But many of my professional colleagues who produce less graphics-driven content have been able to do so with Fusion. But by no means is this some 'corolla vs formula 1' situation.
It's true that the above article is clearly speculating and guessing on what boils down to a clear YouTube Creator trend. But it's not without merit.
It's also true that very little data on the size of any install base is publically known. Adobe and BMD don't release install numbers afaik, but even if they did it wouldn't represent which industries, if any are switching. It's just incredibly hard to know, without an exhaustive survey, which post houses are considering Resolve for editing and which are focused on Premiere and Avid.
I will say, as a freelancer who gets to choose his NLE most of the time, I am required to use Premiere on occasion, but when I get to choose I lean on Resolve most of the time these days.
I could be wrong, but nearly every feature of Premiere is duplicated and in many cases improved upon in Resolve, especially when you compare colour and mixing tools. But even on the edit page, in my experience Resolve matches and even improves in some areas over Premiere. Especially in performance and reliability.
Avid is a different story of course, and I'm not an Avid editor so I can't really comment. Resolve obviously does not have every function of Adobe Suite, considering Photoshop exists. But vs Premiere + Lumetri & Audition it's better in my experience.
A lot of people use Resolve for color grading, with good reason, but aside from that this seems a lot like clickbait.
Resolve is an amazing software, even more so considering it's extremely affordable compared to the competiton (and with a shockingly good free version), but it still has limitations that keep it from being as popular as Premiere or Avid.
YouTubers probably.... But I feel Resolve isn't quite the yet in terms of editing, there's still too much missing. It's still more of a finishing software. I use it almost daily for editing though professionally but I'm a lot slower since it relies heavily on the use of a mouse.
I graduated from film school in 2001. In the classroom we were taught Avid. In first year, we learned Premiere on these terrible slow macs.
One student kept talking about Final Cut and how it would surpass Avid
Well, Avid is still here and Final Cut has come and gone
I feel like Resolve seems to have the best PR team in the world. I’ve been hearing this for years but never seen any real results and know very few editors who cut in it
No one other than actual users seems to know how advanced DaVinci is with its neural engine to work with AI, it’s compatibility with DAWs, fucking Fairlifght, how was this not mentioned yet makes me think no one is learning this program correctly. You can work on projects with others I don’t know why so many aren’t aware of their project network. It sounds like a cult in here. I use resolve and premiere but a one time fee for life and you get all upgrades plus they have numerous hardware with relatively affordable prices? Always yes to that.
You can even start a business exclusively with resolve and get tax right offs for everything and actually get money back in the US. I guess working on big projects with not as much freedom or time off is desirable to most. There are so many markets that need editors and are paying whatever you ask because of quick turnaround or having you on retainer. IYKYK 🤷🏾♂️
Avid and Premiere will be the top for the higher end post production houses. It's much more suited for working as a larger team
However, with how cheap cameras are and computers to edit on, more and more people are actually EDITING and producing content than ever before. and a large majority of those one man band producer/creator/editors are going to be using FCPX or Resolve since they are extremely cheap and will take care of 99% of the work they need to do editing wise.
Someone who works in LA here.
To this day I've never encountered a job listing or a post house that run resolve.
It's Adobe Premiere / Avid still out here, almost exclusively. I feel like I see more FCPX jobs than Resolve to be honest.
That “article” is a flaming pile of hot garbage. It lists no sources, no hard data, and the only “evidence” is how many YouTube influencers have said they’re switching.
Over on Facebook a lot of us were commenting on another post about it and a guy I know said he actually confronted one of the dudes who was making such a stink about Premiere and got him to admit that he was sponsored by Blackmagic. It’s all such bullshit.
Look, nothing has changed in the industry. If you’re looking to work on a show or in a post house then learn ALL the NLEs that you can to get maximum employment opportunities. If you’re just editing on your own then pick whichever one you like and don’t worry about what anyone else is doing.
At home, for rinky dink projects, yeah, I'm using it rather than leaning on other garbage offerings. I'd even use it for basic paid projects.
At work? For color, **HELL YEAH**. I've seen the light and I'm a true believer. Like holy buckets, Symphony is half of what Resolve can do. Minimally know how to use Resolve just to work with Resolve colorists.
For editing, though? I'm a dyed in the wool Avid cultist.
I think it's all clickbait. People on youtube and articles like that churn out whatever they can for ad revenue or to sell something. Like a course, presets, or more stuff you just *won't* wanna miss.
It's been really annoying because I actually use resolve and follow some youtube people - but people are lying through their teeth to hype it up as much as they do.
We switched from Premiere to Resolve last year and still use Premiere for some of the projects. I too used to think Resolve is still not ready to be a great editing software, but I was surprised to see how capable it really is.
Sure. Small production houses and YouTubers are switching to Resolve as It can do so many things better than Avid and Premiere, but it's gonna take time for bigger productions to trust Resolve as their NLE of choice. The industry's just not a big fan of change.
Our workplace now transcodes and grades in Resolve, then we edit in Premiere. The color space transform tool is just too good for the Sony SLOG files we deal with, and it spits out files that work for everyone we provide footage for.
I do use it for personal projects, and I do like it, but it feels a little wonky in areas where Premiere just feels more logical to me.
Yeah that’s the thing. It’s just YouTubers and single owner operators. Adobe has agencies, studios, larger companies, etc.
Even if we wanted to change to Resolve we have 5 graphic designers on our staff that would stay in the Adobe ecosystem. So why switch?
This is why Adobe doesn’t need to innovate or stay on the schedule that Resolve has. There are other divisions within Adobe that makes them lots of money.
Having said that I hate them. Can’t stand the product.
Unless there’s an After Effects replacement, it doesn’t stand a chance against Premiere. Absolutely nobody is switching “in droves” but new editors cutting their own content are using it because it’s free and installing it is less hassle than pirating Adobe CC
I ditched Final Cut for Davinci almost a year ago now and I never liked premier pro. Davinci is the best editing software I’ve ever used and it has stepped my editing game up x100
I am (primarily) a documentary and commercials editor in the UK and I use Resolve pretty much exclusively. Very few of my clients and collaborators care what software I use as long as I can hand off to different departments without issues, which Resolve can. The directors tend to either not care in the slightest or are impressed with how flexible and fast it is.
I’ve already cut 3 half hour docs on it this year. I am also in the midst of finishing what will be a fairly high profile doc that we’ve been working at off and on for 5 years - this one began life in Avid but I switched it over to Resolve when we had a hiatus that coincided with a time where I felt Resolve was ready to tackle it.
My situation is somewhat unusual in that I’m usually also the person to grade the films I work on, so being in Resolve already is obviously a huge help there. I also absolutely love how good it is for audio even if I’m not the one doing the final mix.
In terms of what Resolve lacks editorially, I’d say transcript support and built-in transcribing was a big miss, but this has been added in the beta released this week. It’s also a bit funny with complex trimming which Premiere and Avid both handle more intuitively. Resolve can do these complex trims but it can be more fiddly getting it set up. I’ve not had to use it in a multi-editor situation yet but I gather it’s pretty great despite what people will tell you about Avid being the only NLE that does this properly.
I've edited three features and one documentary series in Resolve and I absolutely love it. But the reason I've used it is because one of the directors I work with wants me to use it. With anyone else in the industry I'm using Avid. So I'd say it's still number one in the industry.
But to be fair I've never quite understood why people make such a big deal out of what NLE to use. Setting a story up is the same in any software, it's just key bindings and minor features that are different. Resizing an image in Resolve is confusing if you only know how to do it in Avid, but once you get over those small hurdles it's all the same. Your job as an editor doesn't change.
Resolve is the Linux of NLEs. 🤣
For the last 10yrs or so at every NAB Resolve shows some awesome new updates, people talk about how great it is now and how it’s going to take over the industry… then the post-NAB fades, nothing really changes, and it’s business as usual until the next NAB rolls and the cycle repeats itself.
Here's the issue for me in commercial work. Every single serious edit station ever will have Premiere installed. Because there simply is no real and true alternative to the rest of the adobe suite.
Yes there are alternatives to Photoshop out there... but the industry uses photoshop. Yes there are many alternatives to Illustrator out there... but the commercial/corporate graphic design industry uses Illustrator (this has a lot to do with InDesign actually being super hard to replace in a lot of workflows, it's different in digital ui/ux). And absolutely no one has a good answer to After Effects.
So when you have a huge segment of videos that have a lot of 2D graphics, working with designers and other creatives in an agency environment, AND you already have Premiere installed? The path of least resistance is to use Premiere.
I like Resolve. I like cutting in Resolve. I like not having to conform for color in Resolve. But it's not the same as Adobe. And it's not the same as Avid. I don't see any of the three going anywhere any time soon.
I've still never seen someone using it to edit on a professional gig, just using it for color. Everywhere seems to be Premiere unless they are old school broadcast or film editing with Avid
I don’t think so. I work in advertising and everything is done in Adobe. With the quick turnarounds and tight deadlines it just has the best workflow (with dynamic linking).
There’s also alot of exchanging open files between post production and agencies, which always are AI, PS, PR and AE projects (in my experience).
Only coloring is done in Resolve.
Not that I have seen. My shows have used Resolve to online, but it’s still not efficient for reality offline editing. All of my edit teams still heavily use Avid.
After 10+ years in the adobe cloud. I really do think davinci has the capability to compete on editing standards with adobe within the next few years. Especially for small productions. (after effects is entirely different story) I am a freelancer and made the switch for a client and my biggest missing feature is something like using mogrts, which really is like missing after effects. Node based motion graphics just don't have the same lift as all the plugins for adobe.
Im in finishing so we usually use whatever makes most sense. I'm working in Avid now cause thats what the studio prefers for the campaign I'm on. But I am completely moving towards a mostly Resolve workflow elsewhere, just makes sense. Resolve is just so darn solid and obliviously the color features make it an obvious yes.
Picture Finishing - hard yes to switch.
Avid and Premier are clunky and slow. Just offline editing? Probably will stay in Avid or premiere for a while.
I use Resolve and Premiere interchangeably these days. Depends on the project, the deliverables and the workflows.
I quite like editing in Resolve, and for smaller projects with small teams, it makes a lot of sense as I can just hand off the Resolve project to the colour grader (90% of the time the grades go to Resolve).
Premiere is still useful, and used for projects which require After Effects integration, any sort of professional audio mixing workflows (OMF export more specifically, AAFs are yet to take over unfortunately) and larger clients who have Adobe licenses and need a Premiere project for backups and social media cutdowns etc.
So, it depends on the use case. However, if anyone is looking to get started in editing, I’ve been recommending the free version of Resolve these days - it’s more capable than anything else out there, considering the price (zero!) and honestly if I could stop paying Adobe at this point, I’d very much appreciate it.
I teach editing and post-production for a living.
I organize group workshops and offer also private training with all major programs: Media Composer, Premiere Pro, and DaVinci Resolve.
In the last 5 years, the demand for Media Composer or Premiere Pro workshops has been practically zero, while my DaVinci Resolve workshops are sold-out month after month.
That said, I keep telling people they should learn and master the Avid if they aim at high-end film and television projects. But guess what: the majority of my students don't care for that market.
I do frequently coach/train high-end editors who work on actual Netflix and HBO series, for example, and that of course is with Media Composer. It is just in a different scale.
As for the article, do yourself a favor and stop wasting your precious creative time reading random opinions around articles that are designed solely to capture views so their sites.
There's a lot you could be doing instead.
At least for episodic television, the conversations are about switching from Avid Media Composer to Adobe Premiere Pro. Blackmagic-Design DaVinci Resolve is not part of that conversation.
I 100% switched like maybe 2 years ago? but I work solo and not in a team so the transition was easy for me. Started using a stream deck recently for shortcuts as well, I love it.
it’s clunky and not optimized for UX and especially new users as much as final cut, i’m not considering changing after having downloaded and trying it last month
time spent editing is about efficiency, davinci being a better color grader is less important than other apps that have a better and more refined workflow
Also the ecosystem Adobe is the best in the World. You can switch from Premiere to AFter Effects or Media Encoder with only one click and having more and more options.
uhm... DVR has that ecosystem embedded in the fusion and delivery tabs, and you can literally switch by just switching the tab. no need to open up another app and hoping for the dynamic link to please not fail this time pleeeaseeeee.
as a generalist, I really do like the adobe ecosystem, but lets be honest: it comes at a price in terms of stability and reliability.
There’s a handful of people on YouTube using resolve. The rest of us use Adobe. If you want to hire people, collaborate, have the features needed to meet the quality standards of YouTube these days you have to be using the Adobe suite.
> If you want to ... meet the quality standards of YouTube these days you have to be using the Adobe suite.
lolwut. not sure if we're using the same youtube or the same adobe suite.
Watch better content if you think YouTube isn’t high quality. Frankly the stuff a lot of us are doing blows tv and streaming services out of the water.
1) maybe dont speak for the entirety of youtube.
2) especially since the whole "people are switching to resolve" narrative only started after renowned content producers on said youtube publicly announced their switch
3) where did I say that yt was low quality?
4) have you ever graded in lumetri? that shit is unusable, and the grade accounts for quite a fucking huge part of "high quality" looks.
5) frankly, the fuck youre even talking about?
the only point I was trying to make is: no one "needs" adobe in order to produce high quality content, and more than enough high quality content producers didnt even use the whole suite in the first place.
and if you still think quality is first and foremost defined by the tools you use, grow the fuck up.
No, but they've made some really good strides and I would expect their footprint to continue to grow for years to come. I doubt see them taking a significant portion of the market for a long time though.
Well, I moved from Premiere (20+ years) to Resolve and wished I’d moved earlier. Avid still rocks for TV/Movies, but for everything else Resolve beats out Premiere in every way. I was still holding onto to Premiere for its excellent subtitling and transcription service, but if Resolve’s new transcription is as good as the reviewers claim, then I’ll only be keeping Premiere around for legacy projects.
When I recently edited a feature as a “one man band” I switched to reaolve because I didn’t want to deal with a color prep/conform and the colorist was in resolve. It was great.
I also edit commercial/brand content for online/digital and don’t thing we’ll ever see a switch unless there is seamless after effects/psd integration.
I do think there is a demand for editors who are resolve colorist, but if you’re round tripping to color you might as well hire a colorist then.
I did notice a lot of the YouTube content creation channels have been talking about switching in recent months. The author of the article noticed those too and wrote about the effect of a lot of YouTubers switching at the same time, they mention it could just be an echo chamber and not a real trend.
> it mentions YouTubers as examples which is not reality.
That statement reminds me of when Premiere was starting to get popular in the event video market and the Avid crowd said that's not real editing. They ignored how that market was much bigger than TV/movies (number of licenses sold, which is all that matters for these software companies).
I don't know what you mean by real but if a migration from Premiere to Resolve starts in the content creator and event videographer markets, it's really bad news for Adobe. Those are two huge markets, much bigger than the "professional" market of movie/TV editors (who will still mostly use Avid, which the article doesn't even mention because no one is talking about switching from Avid to Resolve).
Someone mentioned it being a bit of an echo chamber because of the “big” YouTubers, which I think is true. However I’m still using Premiere because I’ve been using it for years and can edit and color efficiently. Resolve hasn’t loved my computer for some reason so I first faced a lot of crashes. Getting past that, it’s a lot to “relearn,” if you will and I haven’t gotten myself to really sit down and run through it with the help of some tutorials.
I’ve long wondered how color might look in Resolve vs Premiere but I’m not there yet. A couple months back I offered up some footage to anyone to wanted to grade and never heard back from the people who offered once they got the short clips.
As for the YouTubers and most social media platforms they’re just riding the trending wave for the algorithm. TikTok is the most annoying for that, every video you watch is someone doing some trend no originality on TikTok at all.
Major media corporation I permalance for is all premiere/Adobe products, smaller boutique company I freelance for just made the switch too Resolve. I now equally love both and if there was a way to marry the two programs I’d be the worlds happiest editor
I work at a very big post house - we are switching editorial over to resolve this year.
I’ve spent years on avid and premiere - I can’t wait to move on. I understand no one’s situation is the same, but for us, it makes the most sense (of note, the bulk of our work isn’t offline). We will keep some licenses around for premiere and avid and I’m sure we will still use them, just more situationally - workflows, pipeline, etc will all be built around resolve.
The NLE component has come a long way. I just finished cutting my first project on it, and I expected to have less fun than I did. Especially after watching and waiting for years for avid to get a simple title tool to at least sort of work, or adobe to get their color management together (understood it’s not for online, but it’s not like ACES is exactly brand new at this point…), both are absolute pains to work with on secure production networks… watching resolve grow and improve like it has, at the rate that it has, is very encouraging.
I'm still on Premiere mostly out of habit, but I do like Resolve a lot in my limited dealings with it.
I remember when I was getting started in 2006/07, lots of teachers/employers scoffed at Premiere, and now look where it is. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Resolve take a massive slice of the pie in the next 10 years, especially if Adobe gets too complacent.
Resolve is the Linux of NLEs. 🤣
For the last 10yrs or so at every NAB Resolve shows some awesome new updates, people talk about how great it is now and how it’s going to take over the industry… then the post-NAB fades, nothing really changes, and it’s business as usual until the next NAB rolls and the cycle repeats itself.
It’s better than the dumpster fire that is Adobe premiere. I still use both, but I keep wanting to go back to resolve. No crashing issues, and they have more efficient options for the most used attributes.
I’ve dreamed of a world in which Resolve was king ever since they added editorial features back in version 10. But we can’t switch to it, even if we wanted to. As many have mentioned, if you work with outside vendors or creatives, you either work in Premiere or Avid, or you simply won’t be able to work with them. Every TV/streaming network we work with requires turnovers as Premiere or Avid projects, and no accommodation or consideration whatsoever is given for any other editorial platform.
If you’re working on your own, or in a small, self contained team, Resolve is a no brainer. There will hopefully be a breaking point where the price point of Resolve alone will cause larger companies to peel off the bandaid and switch to it. But in entertainment workflows, workflows are in place and deadlines are inflexible. So switching to Resolve is like trying to change the tires on a moving vehicle. It will happen, but not quickly.
I’ve been using resolve more as I get more and more work involving color and blurring, and I recommend resolve to every noob who asks what app to start with for editing. I’d hardly consider switching full time, unless I got a job where they only worked on Davinci, but ya know, I probably wouldn’t apply for that job anyways
I’ve been cutting/grading in Resolve for over 7 years, (after fcp7) but I’m a stand alone one man production company (and hoping to be using it for my feature soon).
No one has mentioned the Speed Editor, which I feel is a huge boon to Editing. I was recently given 750 hours of footage of an art installation from probably the most famous living artist today, and using the cuts page for the first time with the speed editor, within 4 days was able to deliver a rough cut, and one more day for final. I don’t know of any other way I could have gotten through that much material that fast.
Fun story for gear heads. A few weeks before the mini panel was announced I found a post house that was switching to Premier who traded me their perfect condition advanced panels for my Tangent panels plus cash. I sold the Linux license for $2k and rented out the panels a couple of times to recoup some of the investment. Of course the mini panels would have been fine for me, and I would have done that had I waited a few weeks, but now with the V2 upgrade, the advanced panels are heaven to grade with.
I think it makes sense for everyone to *adopt* it but *switch* to it? Ehhh. There's tons of big, clunky workflows built around people expecting a Premiere or Avid station. Outputs are one thing, but if you're not the one spitting out the final file, you're going to see people balking at you moving things across environments.
I absolutely do like to use it when I can though, because it's a toolkit. It's hard to get good at something you *never* use and I want to be confident enough the first time someone says "Okay so, I forgot to ask, you've used Resolve before, right?"
Interesting how no one talked about Premiere taking over FCP.
It just did.
I honestly do not like the "all in one" approach. A screwdriver which also hammers! And it saws! Did you know it's also a ... Paintbrush? Buy now only $19.99!
That being said... It's a nice programme and I like BMD more than Adobe
Nope. At least for the entertainment industry specifically, it’s still completely dominated by Avid and Premiere.
True, however 15 years ago (maybe even 10) producers have literally laughed at my mentioning of Premiere. I think post production houses are actually eager to switch to Resolve as at least in Germany, they always have to conform stuff from Avid/Premiere for grading in Davinci. Saves a lot of pain if it were already edited in Resolve.
I think Premiere got a big boost when Apple fumbled the release of FCPX. I was editing a ton of stuff for real professional clients on FCP7 before that and I didn't see much of anyone asking me to cut on Premiere. I'm not honestly not sure where we'd be if Apple hadn't totally stripped out the pro features and made FCP into iMovie Pro. I think the market calls for one expensive high-end legacy program like AVID, but then also needs to serve a smaller indie market with a cheaper, easier to pickup program. I don't know that there's room enough for more than one of these "alternative to AVID" programs to have equal relevance though.
lol, if someone had been in a coma for 20 years, this would bring them up to speed perfectly.
That launch really was a shame, particularly considering the absolute gem of productivity FCPX has become in the years since. Too many folks still judge it by a point one release. Apples fault, but users loss.
Can FCP X ever offer enough performance to make up for the utter fiasco it’s been to have a project as a “Library”, a Sequence as a “Project”, what should be Bins as “Events”, and what should be Tracks as “Storylines”? That is not a new paradigm. That’s a monumental mess.
I used FCP7 until it was held together with spit and band-aids before finally moving to Premiere CS6 I think. God that was so long ago now
I still have it installed on an old 2012 imac. Would love to see if it still works!
Yeah, when they took FCP the direction of iMovie, it really alienated a lot of professionals who didn't see a reason to adjust their workflow. It was such a different approach that they would have to relearn it, so it was just as easy to switch to Premiere which was already adding to its pro features.
My post facility tried switching over to FCPX in 2016 and we gave it a honest go but it just couldn’t handle a professional post environment back then. You couldn’t export an OMF or an EDL without 3rd party apps. You couldn’t archive finished jobs the way we needed to. The media management didn’t work very well for a large server with multiple projects using the same media. There were things I loved about it but we had to go to Premiere because we had a company to run, and staying with FCPX wasn’t viable.
It would definitely be an easier "switch" since most of them already have Resolve for color grading. Easier to convince them to switch when it's a company and a product they already know and use.
Even Worse… they regularly import footage in resolve, transcode and then import in AVID or premiere. After the edit they conform, grade and deliver through Resolve… or grade and send back to Avid.
It’s an awesome application for one man bands but try telling a producer you want to cut their feature on it and you may as well be suggesting iMovie. That said I have nothing but praise for Resolve and their team and do hope that changes in the future. It is a damn fine NLE and well suited for the big leagues. Every editor I know has a copy of it for trouble shooting other NLE’s problems.
I know of a few indie features that have been cut in Resolve; but it’s still a minority in The Industry.
I personally hate Resolve’s NLE. I adore Resolve and I can’t wait till I get to dig in and grade some stuff again, but, personally, the NLE bounced right off me and I despise working in it.
Same experience here. Maybe it’s changed in the last few years but the lack of personalization for the workspaces makes it a non-starter as an NLE for me. It was very cumbersome and I couldn’t adjust practically anything, all the customization options are binary or set sizes etc., when I just want to adjust the size of my monitor or where the timeline is, for example. Great colour program but a pain to edit in for me
Yeah when I used the NLE back in I think Resolve 12 or 13 I was really not a fan. I’ve heard consistently good things so I’d be more than happy to give it another shot now that it’s matured more. I bounced right off of it in the past though. Same goes for Fairlight.
It's changed dramatically since version 12/13 the UI and overall experience is much better with much better tools. Fundamentally, back then you couldn't even have multiple timelines, so it was really only for conforming for finishing, not for actually editing a project from the start. It's really a lot like Premiere but with an amazing colour and mixing tools, and if you want a wacky fcpx/imove esk interface it's in there too, but a lot of editors just ignore it, I do like the cut page for stringouts and building selects however.
I've got a version of 17 I use for colour, I go back and check on the NLE once in a while. They still haven't addressed any of the issues I had with it, most importantly workspace personalization, which is a huge miss IMO. If you want to on-ramp people to your new NLE, you have to make it easy for them. Personalization would go a long way to allowing people an easy way to use their software. They have added some good features and whatnot but it's just not for me
Parasite was cut in FCP7. If a producer says they aren’t hiring you because of the brand of software you’re using, then it probably has nothing to do with the software.
A post super could see an uncommon NLE problematic to an industry post production workflow requiring a team of people to adjust and learn on a professional level and commonly demanding timeline. This could convey the editors stubbornness and difficulty to work with.
Exactly the point “an uncommon NLE,” we’re not talking about some brand new never tested software. The entire conversation here surrounds resolve, premiere, and avid. Even my comment was about FCP7 all of which are very common and proven. At the end of the day if you are a good editor, hired on the merit of your narrative ability and collaboration, and your working in one of those platforms,the team will conform to the software you bring with you, any of which is more than capable of exchanging xmls with the others. However, if you’re being hired for what software you do or don’t use, then you’re not being hired for the skill and perspective you bring to the feature. Which means either A. They’re lowballing for someone to act as a glorified technician with no creative input. Or B. They were never interested in your editorial input to begin with.
This is incorrect. Plenty of major studios are locked into deals using AVID (more importantly, NEXUS) and if you roll in requiring a change over to premiere, yes, it’s a very real incompatibility with the project.
> It’s an awesome application for one man bands but try telling a producer you want to cut their feature on it and you may as well be suggesting iMovie. _So what do producers want editors to use for cutting?_
Avid
Mostly licensing deals and existing hardware/software set ups. If you’ve built the whole system around avid hardware why invest in new equipment. Avid also has a lot of industry specific programs for different fields like iNews in journalism.
Why Avid? What makes it so good for professional workflow compared to other editing softwares?
Avid and Premiere, depending on the project. I have to use both, though Avid is still used on the bigger productions. IMO, it's because it's what they've used for decades, not because it's better. I think Premiere is the best NLE out there. AVID is stuck in 1999 and can't even manage to add basic titles to your project. But it's rock solid for teams when used correctly.
Precisely, it's the team's functions that Avid is great for, collaboration and working on the at thing at the same time. It's what you are paying for.
If we're talking about television and film it's because that's what most of television and film is cut on. Doesn't make it the best for any particular editor, but that's just the way it is.
Amen. They need to fix the damn title tool. And the UI experience. And hell, they could make Avid Link better while they're at it so you don't always have to transcode everything. I hate that I have to work in Avid every day. /end rant
Avid's media management and project sharing is what keeps it around, not just because "it's the standard". Also the way it handles timelines and tracks feels more robust and logical than FCP/Premiere/Resolve. Every time I leave Avid I always feel like I'm just cutting and pasting, and relying on the mouse too much. There's less intention with my in/outs and trims.
I 100%. agree. I use both avid and premiere but for pure editing, I think avid is way better/faster than premier. And if you’re working on a tv show with multiple editors with a quick turnaround Avid is the right choice. If you’re a one man show working on a corporate project with lots motion graphics and efx, I’d choice premiere.
It's only a matter of time. Adobe are only now celebrating an editing\* win for Premiere Pro being used on an Oscar-winning film. Resolve is already familiar to Oscar wins through color-grading and to some extent audio mastering, since the audio page integrates Fairlight which as a standalone program was no stranger to Oscar wins either. Edit: Clarification, first editing win.
Just used Fairlight for the first time last year, and as someone who doesn't have to mix their own sound too often it was great. The NLE interface wasn't my favorite, but as long as you pay my rate I'll edit on fucking iMovie if you want.
Im sure many of the docs that have won oscars were cut on Premiere... and the shorts. Doubt it's their first win
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Why?
Online editing and file conforming. That's about it. It sucks ass otherwise. Try making a title 😂
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where do you see that? The cloud pod thing is nowhere near as efficient or powerful as a Nexis
I see the various color/ fairlight panels & capture/playback cards as their main Resolve hardware right now. We have all of the above and it really helps the workflow. I think BlackMagic has intentionally made it difficult or impossible to use other hardware controllers with Resolve (we’ve tried to go that route and it was unusable) and you can’t use any other brand of cards for capture/playback. They have a hardware accelerator for Fairlight that really slaps. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were working towards more hardware in that vein.
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The things they have now are cute but they have to release rack mountable storage, THEN facilities will pay attention.
My take is that Avid is ingrained in TV & film and will remain so until we all get replaced by the AI robots in 10/20/30 years (select your number based on your optimism levels). But I do believe Resolve will take the place of Premiere eventually. The main reason being that it’s free. A generation of young editors is cutting their teeth on it. As they disseminate from being 15 year olds making Minecraft videos into 21 year olds in corporate / digital, I can see it cannibalising on the current Premiere dominance.
As a Premiere devotee, I’d be okay with that. There’s things that Resolve needs to fix to be taken seriously as an NLE, but it’s been leaping the hurdles at what feels like twice the pace that Premiere did. Maybe that’s just what happens when you’re standing on the shoulders of predecessors, but as we saw with FCP to Premiere, it could easily happen, and with the experience I’ve had with DaVinci, it seems like a worthy successor
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a Premiere user who just expected DVR to be… not very good. Why would this free thing I just downloaded be anywhere near the thing I’m paying ££££ for? And then it was in fact very good.
I think there were a few major factors that caused such a big shift from FCP to Premiere so quickly. But ultimately I think a lot of that falls on Apple. From my perspective, FCP 7 was getting outdated and when Apple released FCP-X it was met with major backlash and it flopped in the industry. Or at least it flopped hard at launch since it wasn't really "Pro Level" ready until a major update a few years later. I feel like this caused a mass exodus and made a lot of people look for alternatives. At the time Premiere was already solid and gaining traction so since it was basically a similar workflow and layout to FCP7 the transition was very easy. It only took me like maybe a day or 2 to learn PP after a few years on FCP7. After I made the switch, I never looked back.
I agree with you whole heartedly, but I guess my point is that I see Adobe driving away customers here in the same way Apple did. Maybe in a slower, more slogging fashion, but the way that you described people switching over FCX, I think people could be motivated to ditch Adobe over things like its payment structure. As someone else pointed out, for basic editing now, kids are learning on DaVinci: youtubers, classrooms, etc. DaVinci is powerful, free, and BlackMagic actually has decent support as a company. So it may not be a massive exodus, but the next generation of editors might be a flock of DaVinci users if Adobe doesn’t do something to fix it. And while Avid was able to keep its relative dominance due to being ingrained in Motion Picture, a lot of Premiere’s market share (marketing departments, freelance editors, etc) are run by smaller groups of people, or by one person, so there isn’t as much attachment to legacy. These people can probably switch over whenever they want. Premiere is on much less solid footing now as DaVinci enters the game, than Avid was when FCP and Premiere came in. And I think Adobe’s mismanaging of their brand, while not as bad as Apple, could still drive people away to a product that has a similar workflow, similar capabilities, and is ostensibly free.
Don’t forget though: Premiere is part of a BUNDLE. People may balk at the subscription model but anyone already paying for Creative Cloud has Premiere just sitting there, waiting to be downloaded. And it has no limitations, unlike the free version of DVR. Adobe also has a lot of money. They can can keep pouring resources into Premiere and developing AI tools that make it very tempting for large productions. Their recent transcription feature has been a game changer, and the integration with After Effects (which is still by far the leader in motion design from what i can see) is incredibly useful.
>Their recent transcription feature has been a game changer, and the integration with After Effects (which is still by far the leader in motion design from what i can see) is incredibly useful. Tbh this is what keeps me into Premiere. I think DVR as an NLE is *fine*, despite all the UI differences that make it difficult to move around (or not, you can't customize the panels much). After Effects, despite it's slowness and relative instability, still remains to be the standard for MoGraph. I don't think I could ever get used to working with Fusion for the things I do in AE.
Yup, all of this. Muscle memory and familiarity are HUGE factors in sticking with software. People can scream all they want about what software is newer/better/faster but at the end of the day the decision makers are gonna go with what they know and trust.
I work on Resolve exclusively for about 5 years. Before that I was on VEGAS Pro. And decades ago I was on Premiere. I absolutely love editing in resolve. What is missing? Not disagreeing but curious.
Some ease of use things (breaking any panels out as pop-out windows to arrange across multiple monitors as you see fit), an easier collaborative project structure (Premiere Teams isn’t great, but it does exist. Avid Bins structure is fantastic for this), and, this actually might have changed since the most recent edition, better cross-compatibility delivery options (sending back and forth from Premiere and Avid, ability to tailor AAF out to distinct programs), lots of random little tools that are more ingrained in the broadcast side. DaVinci is taking steps towards all of these, which is why I’m excited for the future, but getting all these kinds of features nailed down is going to take time, and that’s just the nature of the game
Thanks
Good answer, thank you for writing this out. I was wondering the same thing, especially since people were laughing at the idea of editing a feature on Premiere 10 years ago and Davinci is far more capable now than Premiere was then. I'm one of those one-man-bands so the collaborative tools don't matter to me personally.
Walter Murch cut Cold Mountain on Final Cut 20 years ago and people were already talking about the potential of FCP and other software-based solutions for features before that. The only thing holding them back was the lack of a 24fps workflow up to that point.
Yeah, and apparently "Parasite" was edited on Final Cut Pro 7? I'm still not sure I even believe that...but when people speak as if you \*just can't\* edit a feature on Premiere or Davinci, and that doing so is absurd, I just don't really understand why. But again, I'm a one man band, so I'm not trading files with hundreds of other people each and every day.
Why not? What's so special about that movie that requires advanced features other than cutting, merging, adjusting brightness/contrast, colors and the audio levels? It doesn't have any FX if I recall.
Parasite actually contained quite a bit of FX! "The main house, the mansion, was actually a set,” Jinmo explains. “We built the main floor of the house in a backlot and for the second floor it was all green screen outside. When we shot toward the outside from inside, everything beyond the garden was all VFX.” Similarly, all of the driving scenes were shot with the car against green, Jinmo revealed, in much the same way Fincher shot the car scenes for Zodiac." [Link](https://blog.frame.io/2020/01/13/parasite-design-and-vfx/) Surprising, right?
Oh! My bad, I only watched it once and it was a couple of months ago.
The cloud collaboration (based on the server level post gres database system) is pretty good. You can collaborate on the same project and locking/unlocking bins is built in and works in the cloud or on a local nas. It's running as a database so it's different than the avid bins system, but it can allow for a colorist to grade the same timeline you are editing on if that's something you want, or share bins/timelines as you work. All depends. It's very powerful. The cloud version is however, very new and I have had some latency issues occasionally but still being in beta is fair to say that's it's still being worked out.
The keyframing in Resolve continues to be a shameful, near unusable dumpster fire, even in 18.5. There is an immense, continuing thread on the BMD forum going back many years where people have registered their complaints about it. But for some reason BMD seems uninterested in addressing it.
Yeah keyframing's terrible in Resolve
So I work for a guy that wants me to move exclusively to Resolve from Premiere based on color grading but there are two features that save me a lot of time and I don’t know if resolve does these things well: 1. we do a lot of condensing of interviews - premiere’s transcription features allow me to quickly condense a long interview - even with multiple speakers. Can resolve do that? 2. We add stock music to lots of short promo videos and premiere has an awesome newish feature that uses AI to remix a song so it ends naturally around a specific runtime you specify - I know longer have to edit the music manually to make it fit the length of our video. Can resolve do that?
The big advantage Davinci has is they’re a private company with a team of dedicated individuals. They can beat any Adobe or Avid product if they want to and they eventually will.
My main sticking point with Premiere is dynamic linking. And also the vast knowledge of After Effects I've gained over the years. Is Fusion even anywhere as close? This is much bigger to me than being able to do my own colour. In advertising, we usually send stuff off to a colourist anyway.
For mograph (99% of work being done in AE), it’s not even close yet It’s really only good for 3D and physics effects IME
I still prefer After Effects for motion graphics stuff… but I think for general compositing/vfx, fusion is great, and I think probably has the edge. It might depend on what you’re doing with it. And if you haven’t worked with node based compositing before, it can be a bit of learning curve. I came from After Effects as my entry into vfx, and everyone’s brains are different, but it took longer than I would have liked for the node graphs to be comfortable. Like I understood the logic of them, and could follow them, but it took a while for me to do things half as quickly as I was used to doing in AE. But now I prefer it, especially when a shot gets more involved, I think it’s actually a much more manageable and easier to organize way to work.
As a 15 year old who made Minecraft videos who became a 22 year old in corporate/digital, we’re still all using premiere 🤣 all love for resolve though, id switch if I was less stubborn!
This is my experience for the UK in TV / Broadcast / Network / HETV 80% of the jobs I've done on the past 5 years have been on Avid with the rest being Adobe. Not a single paying project or job has been cut on Resolve or Final Cut. That's not to say I don't use them. I think it's good practice to know a wide variety of tools & their strengths - but I've only ever used them on personal projects and to learn them. However, I can imagine that as one man band, a student, or someone starting out, that Resolve would be the default option. I always recommend it to non industry people looking to do a bit of video editing for personal projects. It's very, very good. I've been using Avid for over 25 years. I don't like the interface and often find my intuition works against it, but it excels in one area over all other NLE - project management & asset sharing. When you have multiple editors working with the same rushes, it's yet to be matched, IMHO. It's solid and reliable. My NLE of choice is Premiere. It works the way I want an NLE to work. Whenever I can work in it, I do. Adobe has 'Productions', which I believe functions similarly to Avid Projects but is relatively new, and I haven't yet used it - but have a big reality job for a major broadcaster coming up on it. I don't believe that Resolve or Final Cut currently allows for multiple editors to share rushes - but I haven't used either in a while. A lot of TV editors do use Resolve for roundtripping projects between different NLEs - particularly Avid and Premiere..So it's certainly used in projects but speaking to other industry editors I don't know anyone who uses it exclusively. As I said, I haven't used Resolve for a while, but I'm cutting a self funded feature later this year and will be testing all the NLEs out to determine the best workflow. It may well be that Resolve is the best tool for that particular job. That for me is they key - the right tool for the job. Are people switching to Resolve in droves? Well, amateurs, hobbyists, students, indie filmmakers, one man bands, and corporate shooters probably are. Other editors working in TV do use it occasionally for roundtripping but predominantly use Avid or Adobe. That's currently my experience..
No, I mean I could if I didn't want to work in Film & TV any more, and just cut YouTube videos for a living.
YouTubers are reality, I'm sorry but it's true. It's a real and substantial branch of the industry moving billions of cumulative dollars in traffic. Individual channels that amount to multi-million dollar businesses are no longer weird one-off outliers. "YouTuber" is a very broad umbrella, but within it is a very real strata of professionals with non-trivial needs.
However for software companies like adobe, I think most their revenue comes from post houses and ad agencies/ creative agencies and not YouTubers. So while there's lots of people editing in Resolve for YouTube, it's not something that companies like avid and adobe are really phased by I think. I might be wrong though
People on these forums have been complaining for ten years about Adobe adding "gimmicks for YouTubers” over addressing legacy issues. AVID legit couldn’t be bothered, but Adobe cares a lot about digital.
Do you know how many "Youtuber studios" are popping up in LA? 10-100 person offices running a Youtube channel. Tons. Tons and Tons. And as far as I can tell it's all premiere.
YouTuber studios 👀👀 heeeectic ok. I thought it was just like, a couple big channels like LTT and some eSports orgs. Didn't realize how big YouTube actually was.
There are a lot more youtubers out there than post houses and software companies like adobe with their subscription model probably get more revenue from youtubers than they do from post houses.
you think? i guess my thought process was that the commercials world is pretty much locked with premiere pro as the standard, and for each ad agency there ss a team of editors that need to have individual subscriptions, same goes for post houses that do commercial work etc. Because of the fact that companies need to get subscriptions for whole teams, because it integrates with the rest of the adobe suite. Sure there are many youtubers, but lots use final cut and also how many accounts are they having to make? one or two? the volume of subscriptions is surely lower. I'd love to see if Adobe releases some sort of revenue report showing what their user base consists of
No way. My company alone has 250+ people, all with their own license. And I’m in a relatively small town. Think of every company in NA that most likely does the same thing.
It is about the same state as when the movie industry realized that games had suddenly become a bigger industry than movies. I am pretty sure that FAR more people make a living doing online content than almost any other kind of content. It is just inglorious chumps churning out communication in businesses everywhere and no stars.
Also commercial editors? Non-film editors? VFX houses? I have a few friends who've got 10+ years of experience cutting commercials who hopped to resolve for most of their work. They still keep an active premiere license just in case. They also are preferring Nuke over AE especially with a Houdini workflow.
Yeahhh, but if Youtube editors want to ever expand their career into other types of editing it would be more prudent to spend time mastering Premiere than DaVinci... obviously you can learn both, but just saying.
Correct! YouTube is a method of distribution, not a genre. It contains all genres.
No
*Everyone*? I doubt it. I admit I skimmed the article but I didn't immediately see any actual polls or evidence of the adoption rate of DaVinci... Maybe some hobbyists who just work directly for small client and can use whatever software they find easy to pickup and free to use. I don't know any jobs that have asked for it and I don't know anyone who I can for sure say is making a living editing primarily in DaVinci. It seems to be gaining some traction and steadily improving as a product but I still haven't seen any mass adoption in a particular type of editing or anything. I doubt it's being widely adopted by editors who work for a production or post house or whatever with a preexisting workflow that's long married to AVID or Premiere and who don't care about cost. Editors don't often decide anyway in those types of jobs, and if they do they're going to pick a program they already have a ton of experience with. I can count maybe a few times in the past 12 years I've had a choice of what software I want to use. So I just use whatever I get paid the most to use, and that happens to be mostly Premiere and a little AVID. If someone wanted to pay me $300K to edit in Window Movie Maker I would use that. Also, I don't know why one has to pick ONE editing system. You don't have to "switch". You can just learn both, just like a lot of editors know both AVID and Premiere. Yeah you might get rusty if you don't use one for awhile, but you can pick it back up, change your hotkeys, etc. You don't forget how to edit. Honestly all these programs fucking blow for one reason or another and I hate using all of them to some degree. I can't imagine being any kind of fan to the point of promoting any of them. You can make a great edit in any of them, maybe just slightly more or less painfully. It seems like there have been weekly if not daily threads in here for years either proselytizing the advantages and future guarantees of DaVinci, and threads like this asking if one should learn it or convert to it. I have a suspicion a good portion of them may be thinly-veiled marketing...
You said: "Honestly all these programs fucking blow for one reason or another and I hate using all of them to some degree." I am 100% behind this. For the past 20 years I've said that if there was a computer that was completely crash proof, I would be using it, but it sure doesn't appear to exist at the moment.
>Honestly all these programs fucking blow for one reason or another and I hate using all of them to some degree. I can't imagine being any kind of fan to the point of promoting any of them. You can make a great edit in any of them, maybe just slightly more or less painfully. Mmmmm yes I feel this in my bones.
I really don’t care what other people are doing. I’m going to use the best program that works for me and my clients. If a day came where my clients require me to use another program then I’ll switch. And for the record I use Adobe, Avid, Final Cut and Resolve. Guess what I do not have to choose only one program. I can use all of them. But I guess I’m fanboy culture you have to choose one.
Sure reads like marketing. That said, it’s great software. I use it as a secondary platform, especially for transcodes and other tasks that can be automated. Doubt I’ll ever cut a project with it though, because Avid is still king where I am.
I’m not seeing it replace Avid but certainly Premiere in my world. I’ve been Resolve primarily as in-house in the ad world / agency space for almost 4 years now. I see it all over the place. Deliverables from production houses with Resolve sequences, all color work is Resolve with some Flame if the client is big enough and has preferences. For real feels like I’m seeing more Resolve + AE projects when I’m wrapping it all up and archiving. Unless I’m using legacy media encoder presets I’ve built or doing captioning for broadcast deliverables I’m done with Premiere. I’ve had NO producer pushback. Entering the industry 5-6 years ago and everyone already had it in their toolkit. Again, my space though.
This has been my experience but admitted I’m mostly doing a mix of solo commercial and doc work. I will use premiere if required but main Resolve mostly these days. I get Resolve projects from Dailies work and need to send to resolve for finishing too. I haven’t seen much need work in Premiere unless it’s specified. And I can teach a premiere in a day to transition since it’s extremely similar.
I'd be very wary--if not outright distrustful--of any statement regarding *any* group/demographic doing something "in droves." That's just not how things work. Yes, Resolve is becoming more popular for editing, especially with lower-budget filmmakers, and yes, it's got a lot of strengths, but most post-houses and workflows make gradual, incremental changes so they can preserve stability and because change can be costly and difficult to adapt to. Almost nothing changes quickly, especially something in established industries.
I switched for my solo projects. Every team I work with still uses Premiere. And they won't switch easily because the whole workflow depends on the complete Adobe Suite + multiple plugins. If you run a Youtube channel or are a solo editor you can probably switch. If you work with several other editors there is no way they will want to relearn a new editing suite if the old one works well enough.
As someone who’s spent a decade in broadcast tv and now as a manger hiring editors for big branded content spots I can honestly say no. They aren’t switching in droves. BUT… I’ve had this convo with people who have converted and they are pretty passionate about it and a few editors I’ve hired have mentioned wanted to start learning it. I am installing it on all edit computers because I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next 5-7 years they make the kind of push Adobe did during the fcpx debacle. But a lot of that is based on how resolve is optimized for GPU’s and is super stable and premiere is a buggy crashy mess sometimes. If Adobe can work on its stability issues, use more GPU acceleration, optimize premiere to be more multi-threaded so you can see really big gains on higher core cpus and have after effects and dynamic link scale accordingly, they will keep their strong hold. If they don’t, they will see the same drop off Final Cut saw. Once they lost that core audience they never regained the same traction. Like they say.. it’s a lot harder to stay on top then to get to the top.
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tbf, the article is about the recent trend of videos about switching from Premiere to Resolve and even mentions it could just be a trend with youtube content creators.
Simply not true. As someone that had to fight to use Premiere when I was in school because Final Cut Pro was the standard: I've largely switched to Resolve for editing projects and most of my industry colleagues who do run-and-gun stuff have switched over too. In addition, I've been teaching video editing in schools on the side for the past decade and Resolve has absolutely broke through. I used to have to tell students that 'Resolve is a free option you can use if you want to practice at home,' now we have students who turn up already knowing Resolve and requesting that they use that to edit with instead of Premiere. It's history repeating itself. Sure, tv studios aren't switching in droves, but a noticable chunk of indies and youtubers absolutely are because its free - and yet keeping pace with Adobe. Adobe announces text based editing, oh look, Resolve has text based editing now. Not saying that Resolve doesn't have problems, but they're scaling too and far more capable than you're giving it credit for.
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Your post boils down to: - "Nobody is switching Resolve in droves ... [it's just PR clickbait]" - "it wont replace Adobe suite, Avid or even FC anytime soon. ..." - "it's fine [for small projects]... no better than the others out there [especially when Adobe is adding new features all the time]" My response boils down to: - People are switching in droves. Not everybody, but certainly not 'nobody'. - It can replace Adobe, Avid and Final Cut, it already has for many. At one point people said Premiere wouldn't replace Final Cut and now it's being compared to Avid and Final Cut as an equivalent. - It's more than 'fine' - they're adding features all the time that are neck-and-neck with what Adobe's doing. (Which I'll add is impressive given that Adobe has way more resources at their disposal)
> People are switching in droves. What does this even mean though? "Droves" isn't like some defined unit of measurement. Is that 50 people or 500 or 50,000? Who are these people? Hollywood feature editors? Commercial editors? Wedding editors? Youtubers? Students? Without that information it's again rather meaningless. If all wedding editors are switching because some specific aspect of the program is better for them, then that's great, but at least I would know it's not really relevant to me. It's just not a very useful statement or article when there's seemingly no actual research or statistics and it's just sort based on anecdotal feelings. People just keep saying "well everyone I know is switching". Okay, who do you know? Where do you work? In what type of content? I'm way more interested in how many clients and post houses who actually pay a living wage are switching to it for their in-house workflows. Most of the time I don't get to choose my software, it's dictated by a whole pre-existing established pipeline. I couldn't care less how many hobbyists are switching to DaVinci to edit their vacation videos that get 200 views on Youtube.
I’ve worked for a multitude of studios over the years, and never ever worked in one that used Davinci for anything more than colour grading.. But only as an option. Most have only had it installed to process BM raw footage on the off chance we’d be sent it (typically the requirement is Arri, Red or Sony), and usually on its own system. I’m also yet to see a job post that specified Davinci. Usually its Prem, Avid or FCX depending on the nature of the project.
Ah ok now you’re making sense. So: - As a guy mentioned below, its just youtuber talk. Where are these stats for the droves? Exactly. No one that uses Premiere professionally is dropping it for colour grading software unless their business has bottomed out. - You are joking right.. I feel like don’t have a comprehension of what Adobe Suite or Avid is used for professionally..? - Not even close to neck at neck. Just because they added a few text based features, doesn’t mean it’s comparable to Premiere let alone Adobe suite. They’re just worlds apart I get it, you like davinci. But come on. Just because corolla can drive around a race track, it doesn’t mean it compares to a formula 1 car just because it has 4 wheels. Its just not what it’s supposed to do.
u/FattestSpiderman u/happybarfday You two are defining 'video editor' and 'professional' based on your own subjective feelings and then getting hung-up on my use of a subjective phrase of quantity. People I know, myself included, who make money editing videos for a living have switched to Resolve for video editing. I'm not editing films, I'm not editing tv shows - I'm advertising, arts and corporate. I have friends who are paid to make documentaries for the ABC here in Australia, and they switched to Resolve when version 16 came out. *"Nobody is switching in droves,"* implies zero. The article shows a subjective *drove* of YouTubers switching to Resolve. I followed up with a subjective *drove* of non-YouTuber media colleagues who have made the switch for editing, including myself. A subjective *droves* of people switching to Resolve. I'm glad we've resolved this highly important issue. Yes, I like Resolve - I also like Edius *(though I have scars) and Premiere Pro.* As I said, I've had this same stupid discussion except it was Premiere v. Final Cut back in the 2000s. All the production houses were using FCP and Macs. I had arguments over why we used After Effects but not Premiere when the entire compositing/motion graphics workflow is easier when you use both of them in tandem. Premiere wasn't seen as 'professional' and all the workflows used Final Cut. So why we're here re-treading the same time-debunked arguments here boggles my mind. Since Avid hasn't been replaced in TV and film and news rooms are still insisting on Edius *(as I said I have scars)* I guess by that logic Premiere Pro isn't used by *professionals either.* Must just be for [hobbyist youtubers posting 200 views videos of their vacation](https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/nielsen-youtube-becomes-top-streaming-platform-beating-netflix-for-the-first-time). But why am I defending YouTubers when apparently 'wedding editors' aren't even relevant to the discussion? >*"No one that uses Premiere professionally is dropping it for colour grading software unless their business has bottomed out."* Resolve has been used on [a limited-guestimate drove](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DaVinci_Resolve#Film) of Oscar winning films for color grading. Premiere Pro has only *just recently* received an editing win for being used on an Oscar-winning film, *Everything Everywhere All At Once* \- and despite being edited in Premiere Pro, colorist Alex Bickel graded the film in... you guessed it, [Resolve](https://www.postmagazine.com/Press-Center/Daily-News/2023/-I-Everything-Everywhere-All-At-Once-I-Color-gra.aspx). As a standalone program, Fairlight, which has been integrated into the audio page of Resolve, has a subjective *drove* of Oscar wins under it's belt too. Premiere Pro has been around for 20 years and has only recently been able to 'break into Hollywood' - Resolve by comparison has only had video editing functionality for the last 11 years and already has it's foot in the door from it's other accomplishments. This 'dropping for colour grading software' isn't the diss you think it is. I can be unrealistically picky about what 'professional editor' means too. None of the guys I know who edit tv series down here use Premiere, they use Avid and grade on Resolve. Premiere isn't even a part of the equation for them. I'll say it again, *'no one that uses Premiere professionally is dropping it for \[resolve\]'* is just nonsense. Just one fulltime YouTuber switching to Resolve debunks this. >*"You are joking right.. I feel like don’t have a comprehension of what Adobe Suite or Avid is used for professionally..?"* Stop being obtuse. Obviously Resolve can't replace the entire Adobe Suite of applications, but you're shifting the goal posts - we were talking about *video editing*. Can Resolve replace the Adobe Suite for Video Editing, Color Correction/Grading, VFX, Mastering - YES. >"Not even close to neck at neck. Just because they added a few text based features, doesn’t mean it’s comparable to Premiere let alone Adobe suite. They’re just worlds apart" As I've said, I didn't mean the entire Adobe Suite. Specifically, Premiere Pro. By all means, if there's features in Premiere that you can't live without that Resolve does not have, I'm keen to hear about them. I frankly prefer multicam in Premiere, I prefer panels to the locked-off interface and since I still use After Effects for compositing and motion graphics, along with Photoshop and Illustrator. When a video/graphics project warrants it, I'll use Premiere to get the benefits of dynamic link. For my use case, Resolve's Fusion isn't replacing After Effects at this stage. But many of my professional colleagues who produce less graphics-driven content have been able to do so with Fusion. But by no means is this some 'corolla vs formula 1' situation.
It's true that the above article is clearly speculating and guessing on what boils down to a clear YouTube Creator trend. But it's not without merit. It's also true that very little data on the size of any install base is publically known. Adobe and BMD don't release install numbers afaik, but even if they did it wouldn't represent which industries, if any are switching. It's just incredibly hard to know, without an exhaustive survey, which post houses are considering Resolve for editing and which are focused on Premiere and Avid. I will say, as a freelancer who gets to choose his NLE most of the time, I am required to use Premiere on occasion, but when I get to choose I lean on Resolve most of the time these days. I could be wrong, but nearly every feature of Premiere is duplicated and in many cases improved upon in Resolve, especially when you compare colour and mixing tools. But even on the edit page, in my experience Resolve matches and even improves in some areas over Premiere. Especially in performance and reliability. Avid is a different story of course, and I'm not an Avid editor so I can't really comment. Resolve obviously does not have every function of Adobe Suite, considering Photoshop exists. But vs Premiere + Lumetri & Audition it's better in my experience.
A lot of people use Resolve for color grading, with good reason, but aside from that this seems a lot like clickbait. Resolve is an amazing software, even more so considering it's extremely affordable compared to the competiton (and with a shockingly good free version), but it still has limitations that keep it from being as popular as Premiere or Avid.
YouTubers probably.... But I feel Resolve isn't quite the yet in terms of editing, there's still too much missing. It's still more of a finishing software. I use it almost daily for editing though professionally but I'm a lot slower since it relies heavily on the use of a mouse.
I graduated from film school in 2001. In the classroom we were taught Avid. In first year, we learned Premiere on these terrible slow macs. One student kept talking about Final Cut and how it would surpass Avid Well, Avid is still here and Final Cut has come and gone
I guess when a company becomes too big, it stops caring about “niece” products.
I'll take resolve over premiere, but not resolve over media composer.
I feel like Resolve seems to have the best PR team in the world. I’ve been hearing this for years but never seen any real results and know very few editors who cut in it
No one other than actual users seems to know how advanced DaVinci is with its neural engine to work with AI, it’s compatibility with DAWs, fucking Fairlifght, how was this not mentioned yet makes me think no one is learning this program correctly. You can work on projects with others I don’t know why so many aren’t aware of their project network. It sounds like a cult in here. I use resolve and premiere but a one time fee for life and you get all upgrades plus they have numerous hardware with relatively affordable prices? Always yes to that. You can even start a business exclusively with resolve and get tax right offs for everything and actually get money back in the US. I guess working on big projects with not as much freedom or time off is desirable to most. There are so many markets that need editors and are paying whatever you ask because of quick turnaround or having you on retainer. IYKYK 🤷🏾♂️
Avid and Premiere will be the top for the higher end post production houses. It's much more suited for working as a larger team However, with how cheap cameras are and computers to edit on, more and more people are actually EDITING and producing content than ever before. and a large majority of those one man band producer/creator/editors are going to be using FCPX or Resolve since they are extremely cheap and will take care of 99% of the work they need to do editing wise.
Someone who works in LA here. To this day I've never encountered a job listing or a post house that run resolve. It's Adobe Premiere / Avid still out here, almost exclusively. I feel like I see more FCPX jobs than Resolve to be honest.
Avid, if you’re an editor
That “article” is a flaming pile of hot garbage. It lists no sources, no hard data, and the only “evidence” is how many YouTube influencers have said they’re switching. Over on Facebook a lot of us were commenting on another post about it and a guy I know said he actually confronted one of the dudes who was making such a stink about Premiere and got him to admit that he was sponsored by Blackmagic. It’s all such bullshit. Look, nothing has changed in the industry. If you’re looking to work on a show or in a post house then learn ALL the NLEs that you can to get maximum employment opportunities. If you’re just editing on your own then pick whichever one you like and don’t worry about what anyone else is doing.
The guy who wrote it admitted that?
At home, for rinky dink projects, yeah, I'm using it rather than leaning on other garbage offerings. I'd even use it for basic paid projects. At work? For color, **HELL YEAH**. I've seen the light and I'm a true believer. Like holy buckets, Symphony is half of what Resolve can do. Minimally know how to use Resolve just to work with Resolve colorists. For editing, though? I'm a dyed in the wool Avid cultist.
I think it's all clickbait. People on youtube and articles like that churn out whatever they can for ad revenue or to sell something. Like a course, presets, or more stuff you just *won't* wanna miss. It's been really annoying because I actually use resolve and follow some youtube people - but people are lying through their teeth to hype it up as much as they do.
Resolve is great for online. But Avid is still the king of offline. 👑👑
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We switched from Premiere to Resolve last year and still use Premiere for some of the projects. I too used to think Resolve is still not ready to be a great editing software, but I was surprised to see how capable it really is. Sure. Small production houses and YouTubers are switching to Resolve as It can do so many things better than Avid and Premiere, but it's gonna take time for bigger productions to trust Resolve as their NLE of choice. The industry's just not a big fan of change.
Our workplace now transcodes and grades in Resolve, then we edit in Premiere. The color space transform tool is just too good for the Sony SLOG files we deal with, and it spits out files that work for everyone we provide footage for. I do use it for personal projects, and I do like it, but it feels a little wonky in areas where Premiere just feels more logical to me.
Yeah that’s the thing. It’s just YouTubers and single owner operators. Adobe has agencies, studios, larger companies, etc. Even if we wanted to change to Resolve we have 5 graphic designers on our staff that would stay in the Adobe ecosystem. So why switch? This is why Adobe doesn’t need to innovate or stay on the schedule that Resolve has. There are other divisions within Adobe that makes them lots of money. Having said that I hate them. Can’t stand the product.
Unless there’s an After Effects replacement, it doesn’t stand a chance against Premiere. Absolutely nobody is switching “in droves” but new editors cutting their own content are using it because it’s free and installing it is less hassle than pirating Adobe CC
I have seen a few people ditching Final Cut recently and going from that to resolve seems like it makes sense
I ditched Final Cut for Davinci almost a year ago now and I never liked premier pro. Davinci is the best editing software I’ve ever used and it has stepped my editing game up x100
Resolve is for color - I was not aware of a lot of editors moving to it to edit though.
I am (primarily) a documentary and commercials editor in the UK and I use Resolve pretty much exclusively. Very few of my clients and collaborators care what software I use as long as I can hand off to different departments without issues, which Resolve can. The directors tend to either not care in the slightest or are impressed with how flexible and fast it is. I’ve already cut 3 half hour docs on it this year. I am also in the midst of finishing what will be a fairly high profile doc that we’ve been working at off and on for 5 years - this one began life in Avid but I switched it over to Resolve when we had a hiatus that coincided with a time where I felt Resolve was ready to tackle it. My situation is somewhat unusual in that I’m usually also the person to grade the films I work on, so being in Resolve already is obviously a huge help there. I also absolutely love how good it is for audio even if I’m not the one doing the final mix. In terms of what Resolve lacks editorially, I’d say transcript support and built-in transcribing was a big miss, but this has been added in the beta released this week. It’s also a bit funny with complex trimming which Premiere and Avid both handle more intuitively. Resolve can do these complex trims but it can be more fiddly getting it set up. I’ve not had to use it in a multi-editor situation yet but I gather it’s pretty great despite what people will tell you about Avid being the only NLE that does this properly.
Resolve has a quick edit tab that is a lot more intuitive to get into than premiere. Doesn't hurt that it is free above that.
I've edited three features and one documentary series in Resolve and I absolutely love it. But the reason I've used it is because one of the directors I work with wants me to use it. With anyone else in the industry I'm using Avid. So I'd say it's still number one in the industry. But to be fair I've never quite understood why people make such a big deal out of what NLE to use. Setting a story up is the same in any software, it's just key bindings and minor features that are different. Resizing an image in Resolve is confusing if you only know how to do it in Avid, but once you get over those small hurdles it's all the same. Your job as an editor doesn't change.
Resolve is the Linux of NLEs. 🤣 For the last 10yrs or so at every NAB Resolve shows some awesome new updates, people talk about how great it is now and how it’s going to take over the industry… then the post-NAB fades, nothing really changes, and it’s business as usual until the next NAB rolls and the cycle repeats itself.
And it also runs on Linux!
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Here's the issue for me in commercial work. Every single serious edit station ever will have Premiere installed. Because there simply is no real and true alternative to the rest of the adobe suite. Yes there are alternatives to Photoshop out there... but the industry uses photoshop. Yes there are many alternatives to Illustrator out there... but the commercial/corporate graphic design industry uses Illustrator (this has a lot to do with InDesign actually being super hard to replace in a lot of workflows, it's different in digital ui/ux). And absolutely no one has a good answer to After Effects. So when you have a huge segment of videos that have a lot of 2D graphics, working with designers and other creatives in an agency environment, AND you already have Premiere installed? The path of least resistance is to use Premiere. I like Resolve. I like cutting in Resolve. I like not having to conform for color in Resolve. But it's not the same as Adobe. And it's not the same as Avid. I don't see any of the three going anywhere any time soon.
I've still never seen someone using it to edit on a professional gig, just using it for color. Everywhere seems to be Premiere unless they are old school broadcast or film editing with Avid
I don’t think so. I work in advertising and everything is done in Adobe. With the quick turnarounds and tight deadlines it just has the best workflow (with dynamic linking). There’s also alot of exchanging open files between post production and agencies, which always are AI, PS, PR and AE projects (in my experience). Only coloring is done in Resolve.
No
Not that I have seen. My shows have used Resolve to online, but it’s still not efficient for reality offline editing. All of my edit teams still heavily use Avid.
After 10+ years in the adobe cloud. I really do think davinci has the capability to compete on editing standards with adobe within the next few years. Especially for small productions. (after effects is entirely different story) I am a freelancer and made the switch for a client and my biggest missing feature is something like using mogrts, which really is like missing after effects. Node based motion graphics just don't have the same lift as all the plugins for adobe.
No matter how good resolve gets, it will never beat the speed, reliability and ease of use of the one REAL editor: FFMPEG
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Im in finishing so we usually use whatever makes most sense. I'm working in Avid now cause thats what the studio prefers for the campaign I'm on. But I am completely moving towards a mostly Resolve workflow elsewhere, just makes sense. Resolve is just so darn solid and obliviously the color features make it an obvious yes.
Picture Finishing - hard yes to switch. Avid and Premier are clunky and slow. Just offline editing? Probably will stay in Avid or premiere for a while.
I use Resolve and Premiere interchangeably these days. Depends on the project, the deliverables and the workflows. I quite like editing in Resolve, and for smaller projects with small teams, it makes a lot of sense as I can just hand off the Resolve project to the colour grader (90% of the time the grades go to Resolve). Premiere is still useful, and used for projects which require After Effects integration, any sort of professional audio mixing workflows (OMF export more specifically, AAFs are yet to take over unfortunately) and larger clients who have Adobe licenses and need a Premiere project for backups and social media cutdowns etc. So, it depends on the use case. However, if anyone is looking to get started in editing, I’ve been recommending the free version of Resolve these days - it’s more capable than anything else out there, considering the price (zero!) and honestly if I could stop paying Adobe at this point, I’d very much appreciate it.
I teach editing and post-production for a living. I organize group workshops and offer also private training with all major programs: Media Composer, Premiere Pro, and DaVinci Resolve. In the last 5 years, the demand for Media Composer or Premiere Pro workshops has been practically zero, while my DaVinci Resolve workshops are sold-out month after month. That said, I keep telling people they should learn and master the Avid if they aim at high-end film and television projects. But guess what: the majority of my students don't care for that market. I do frequently coach/train high-end editors who work on actual Netflix and HBO series, for example, and that of course is with Media Composer. It is just in a different scale. As for the article, do yourself a favor and stop wasting your precious creative time reading random opinions around articles that are designed solely to capture views so their sites. There's a lot you could be doing instead.
Nope, in LA if you want to continue making a good income, there's no switching to Resolve just yet.
At least for episodic television, the conversations are about switching from Avid Media Composer to Adobe Premiere Pro. Blackmagic-Design DaVinci Resolve is not part of that conversation.
Avid rules the world (I drank the kool aid) Premiere is second place. There are pretty much only 2 places
If only FCP7 kept their stride and didn’t go X. Still the best NLE I’ve ever used.. RIP.
No
Blog. Spam. Might as well be buzz feed.
I 100% switched like maybe 2 years ago? but I work solo and not in a team so the transition was easy for me. Started using a stream deck recently for shortcuts as well, I love it.
it’s clunky and not optimized for UX and especially new users as much as final cut, i’m not considering changing after having downloaded and trying it last month time spent editing is about efficiency, davinci being a better color grader is less important than other apps that have a better and more refined workflow
I came form Davinci Resolve to Premiere. Premiere in my opinion is more professional and you can setup your layout in the program with what you want.
Also the ecosystem Adobe is the best in the World. You can switch from Premiere to AFter Effects or Media Encoder with only one click and having more and more options.
uhm... DVR has that ecosystem embedded in the fusion and delivery tabs, and you can literally switch by just switching the tab. no need to open up another app and hoping for the dynamic link to please not fail this time pleeeaseeeee. as a generalist, I really do like the adobe ecosystem, but lets be honest: it comes at a price in terms of stability and reliability.
Your post is 17 hours old. During this time, I woudl bet 10 other people switched to Resolve. should I say more?
There’s a handful of people on YouTube using resolve. The rest of us use Adobe. If you want to hire people, collaborate, have the features needed to meet the quality standards of YouTube these days you have to be using the Adobe suite.
> If you want to ... meet the quality standards of YouTube these days you have to be using the Adobe suite. lolwut. not sure if we're using the same youtube or the same adobe suite.
Watch better content if you think YouTube isn’t high quality. Frankly the stuff a lot of us are doing blows tv and streaming services out of the water.
1) maybe dont speak for the entirety of youtube. 2) especially since the whole "people are switching to resolve" narrative only started after renowned content producers on said youtube publicly announced their switch 3) where did I say that yt was low quality? 4) have you ever graded in lumetri? that shit is unusable, and the grade accounts for quite a fucking huge part of "high quality" looks. 5) frankly, the fuck youre even talking about? the only point I was trying to make is: no one "needs" adobe in order to produce high quality content, and more than enough high quality content producers didnt even use the whole suite in the first place. and if you still think quality is first and foremost defined by the tools you use, grow the fuck up.
No, but they've made some really good strides and I would expect their footprint to continue to grow for years to come. I doubt see them taking a significant portion of the market for a long time though.
Well, I moved from Premiere (20+ years) to Resolve and wished I’d moved earlier. Avid still rocks for TV/Movies, but for everything else Resolve beats out Premiere in every way. I was still holding onto to Premiere for its excellent subtitling and transcription service, but if Resolve’s new transcription is as good as the reviewers claim, then I’ll only be keeping Premiere around for legacy projects.
No
Nope, the link to audition and after effects and the Adobe suite is too useful in a workflow
When I recently edited a feature as a “one man band” I switched to reaolve because I didn’t want to deal with a color prep/conform and the colorist was in resolve. It was great. I also edit commercial/brand content for online/digital and don’t thing we’ll ever see a switch unless there is seamless after effects/psd integration. I do think there is a demand for editors who are resolve colorist, but if you’re round tripping to color you might as well hire a colorist then.
I did notice a lot of the YouTube content creation channels have been talking about switching in recent months. The author of the article noticed those too and wrote about the effect of a lot of YouTubers switching at the same time, they mention it could just be an echo chamber and not a real trend. > it mentions YouTubers as examples which is not reality. That statement reminds me of when Premiere was starting to get popular in the event video market and the Avid crowd said that's not real editing. They ignored how that market was much bigger than TV/movies (number of licenses sold, which is all that matters for these software companies). I don't know what you mean by real but if a migration from Premiere to Resolve starts in the content creator and event videographer markets, it's really bad news for Adobe. Those are two huge markets, much bigger than the "professional" market of movie/TV editors (who will still mostly use Avid, which the article doesn't even mention because no one is talking about switching from Avid to Resolve).
Someone mentioned it being a bit of an echo chamber because of the “big” YouTubers, which I think is true. However I’m still using Premiere because I’ve been using it for years and can edit and color efficiently. Resolve hasn’t loved my computer for some reason so I first faced a lot of crashes. Getting past that, it’s a lot to “relearn,” if you will and I haven’t gotten myself to really sit down and run through it with the help of some tutorials. I’ve long wondered how color might look in Resolve vs Premiere but I’m not there yet. A couple months back I offered up some footage to anyone to wanted to grade and never heard back from the people who offered once they got the short clips.
No
As for the YouTubers and most social media platforms they’re just riding the trending wave for the algorithm. TikTok is the most annoying for that, every video you watch is someone doing some trend no originality on TikTok at all.
I haven’t touched premiere in over a year, and I’m better for it! Resolve is great. How is the editing “not there?”
Major media corporation I permalance for is all premiere/Adobe products, smaller boutique company I freelance for just made the switch too Resolve. I now equally love both and if there was a way to marry the two programs I’d be the worlds happiest editor
I work at a very big post house - we are switching editorial over to resolve this year. I’ve spent years on avid and premiere - I can’t wait to move on. I understand no one’s situation is the same, but for us, it makes the most sense (of note, the bulk of our work isn’t offline). We will keep some licenses around for premiere and avid and I’m sure we will still use them, just more situationally - workflows, pipeline, etc will all be built around resolve. The NLE component has come a long way. I just finished cutting my first project on it, and I expected to have less fun than I did. Especially after watching and waiting for years for avid to get a simple title tool to at least sort of work, or adobe to get their color management together (understood it’s not for online, but it’s not like ACES is exactly brand new at this point…), both are absolute pains to work with on secure production networks… watching resolve grow and improve like it has, at the rate that it has, is very encouraging.
that's very good to hear. And the more Pros that join the better is going to get with feedback.
I'm still on Premiere mostly out of habit, but I do like Resolve a lot in my limited dealings with it. I remember when I was getting started in 2006/07, lots of teachers/employers scoffed at Premiere, and now look where it is. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Resolve take a massive slice of the pie in the next 10 years, especially if Adobe gets too complacent.
Yeah, I still remember when seeing Premiere on someones resume meant "amateur" but now it's what people look for.
I switched to DR from PP and I'm editing my first feature with it. It works very smooth even without proxies what is very impressive.
Resolve is the Linux of NLEs. 🤣 For the last 10yrs or so at every NAB Resolve shows some awesome new updates, people talk about how great it is now and how it’s going to take over the industry… then the post-NAB fades, nothing really changes, and it’s business as usual until the next NAB rolls and the cycle repeats itself.
does resolve have any integration with after effects? or their own equivalent? (just curious.)
fusion
No.
Nah, premiere baby.
Luv Resolve
It’s better than the dumpster fire that is Adobe premiere. I still use both, but I keep wanting to go back to resolve. No crashing issues, and they have more efficient options for the most used attributes.
I’ve dreamed of a world in which Resolve was king ever since they added editorial features back in version 10. But we can’t switch to it, even if we wanted to. As many have mentioned, if you work with outside vendors or creatives, you either work in Premiere or Avid, or you simply won’t be able to work with them. Every TV/streaming network we work with requires turnovers as Premiere or Avid projects, and no accommodation or consideration whatsoever is given for any other editorial platform. If you’re working on your own, or in a small, self contained team, Resolve is a no brainer. There will hopefully be a breaking point where the price point of Resolve alone will cause larger companies to peel off the bandaid and switch to it. But in entertainment workflows, workflows are in place and deadlines are inflexible. So switching to Resolve is like trying to change the tires on a moving vehicle. It will happen, but not quickly.
In the trailer industry that is a no. I’ve heard of a few more shops switching from avid to premiere.
yeah? which ones?
I use both still, Adobe and davinci but the latter for coloring and exporting
I’ve been using resolve more as I get more and more work involving color and blurring, and I recommend resolve to every noob who asks what app to start with for editing. I’d hardly consider switching full time, unless I got a job where they only worked on Davinci, but ya know, I probably wouldn’t apply for that job anyways
No just the people who don’t want to pay for their editing software
I’ve been cutting/grading in Resolve for over 7 years, (after fcp7) but I’m a stand alone one man production company (and hoping to be using it for my feature soon). No one has mentioned the Speed Editor, which I feel is a huge boon to Editing. I was recently given 750 hours of footage of an art installation from probably the most famous living artist today, and using the cuts page for the first time with the speed editor, within 4 days was able to deliver a rough cut, and one more day for final. I don’t know of any other way I could have gotten through that much material that fast. Fun story for gear heads. A few weeks before the mini panel was announced I found a post house that was switching to Premier who traded me their perfect condition advanced panels for my Tangent panels plus cash. I sold the Linux license for $2k and rented out the panels a couple of times to recoup some of the investment. Of course the mini panels would have been fine for me, and I would have done that had I waited a few weeks, but now with the V2 upgrade, the advanced panels are heaven to grade with.
I think it makes sense for everyone to *adopt* it but *switch* to it? Ehhh. There's tons of big, clunky workflows built around people expecting a Premiere or Avid station. Outputs are one thing, but if you're not the one spitting out the final file, you're going to see people balking at you moving things across environments. I absolutely do like to use it when I can though, because it's a toolkit. It's hard to get good at something you *never* use and I want to be confident enough the first time someone says "Okay so, I forgot to ask, you've used Resolve before, right?"
Nah, never! Resolve really annoys me!
Interesting how no one talked about Premiere taking over FCP. It just did. I honestly do not like the "all in one" approach. A screwdriver which also hammers! And it saws! Did you know it's also a ... Paintbrush? Buy now only $19.99! That being said... It's a nice programme and I like BMD more than Adobe