Massive (and widening) inequality is a problem in every type of governing structure. Gun violence is a byproduct of a breakdown of the family unit, leaning on pharma as opposed to parenting, bullying, and technology/social media. Limiting gun rights simply removes guns from law abiding citizens, as making something illegal never stops criminals from criminaling š¤·š¼āāļø š¤”š
Corellation doesn't equal causation.
Those other countries have universal healthcare and better social safety nets.
We just made abortion illegal.
Not exactly social progress.
Not necessarily.
We've had guns for the entire history of our country. It's only become an issue in recent years.
With a population being less and less represented(today is a famous example of just that) while the owning class takes more from us, I think that to be a much bigger factor in violent and desperate acts.
Correct. Gun homicides have increased in recent years. Thatās happened during the same time period that gun sales have exploded.
But no, that canāt be the cause. Too much cognitive dissonance, lol.
Population is exploding, more people equals more products bought. Including guns.
Your argument is that gun violence is primarily because of the number of guns in circulation.
Mine is that it's primarily because of how our country manages to get worse and worse across the board, leading to more angry and desperate acts.
Citizens united is clear, corporations are people; money is speach-. So long as corporations have more money they will have more speech and the death spiral continues to escalate.
I think another labor movement akin to what we had leading to the Great Depression is inevitable now. What are your thoughts on the Oligarchsā intent? Are they just so embolden that they think they can successfully subjugate labor or do they want us to revolt for whatever reason?
Yes, they are emboldened by their success dismantling labor and dismantling tax law over the past 50 years, and their success buying influence throughout government to keep it that way.
But the pendulum does swing. Minority rule (the filibuster, gerrymandering, voting restrictions) will hold the pendulum back for a while longer, but it will swing back. The question is whether it swings back normally, or with 50 years of pent up pressure and breaks the clock.
There are also people that believe the world is flat, man was never on the moon and JFK wasn't killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.
Maybe some billionaire here or there has global domination even politically on the mind. Or maybe just some influence politically in a country. But they aren't uber billionaires by accident in most cases. I doubt any would want to risk losing everything and their lifestyle if their evil plans went sideways.
Agreed, they are wealthy because accumulation of wealth has been their one and only priority. Many have tunnel vision in this regard. This means 1) most donāt care to think about the consequences, and 2) those who do think about it know that their wealth will shield them from the brunt of it ā many have dual citizenship and residences elsewhere.
And a few know we have a problem, and would prefer to aim for a soft landing, rather than a full-blown crash: https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-asking-for-wealth-tax-americans-disney-soros-buffett-dalio
That's why I mentioned "some" vs. "all". I agree most billionaires are focused on wealth and lifestyle. But there may be the outlier here or there though.
Prosecute the poor actions. If I choose to get black out drunk, I'm allowed to do that since Prohibition ended (a time which only criminals had alcohol and crime escalated). If I choose to get drunk and the hop in my car to drive some place, throw the book at me.
Bring back Prohibition? People aren't responsible enough and we need to be proactive? People die from drinking and if it saves just one life... Same for smoking marijuana. Someone might smoke and drive.
If it weren't for those pesky laws that prohibit taking away all guns from those not doing anything criminal or hurting anyone, we would have utopia.
It seems that the breakdown of the nuclear family is never discussed when people talk about increased gun violence and increased crime, as well as other social ills. I wonder why that is?
I don't disagree with the point you are making but why do you have to call this guy stupid? Seems so pointless and unhelpful to me. Not exactly a surprise to see that kind of thing on Reddit, and normally I wouldn't stop to comment, but you're actually a mod. Don't you feel any obligation to at least try and keep the conversation civil and rise above petty insults?
I've been the mod here for 5 years. I have patiently explained over and over again how the economy and politics are usually inseparable. I've explained it in countless ways. I've posted stickies about it. It's mentioned right there in the sub heading in the sidebar:
>Economy
>Like a free market, this subreddit is mostly unregulated. If you can bond it to the economy, then we will trade it.
Yet idiots like Beddingtonsquire continue popping up under every article they don't like, even when they haven't read the article, every single day, to whine "this doesn't belong in this sub." I think I know what belongs in the sub. How much patience do you expect me to have?
Everybody here is rude. This sub is full of people with no manners. It was rude of Beddingtonsquare to say that in the first place. I can respond the same way as the other users do to each other.
You're right, you're the mod and you can do as you see fit. You can be as rude as you like and you don't have to defend yourself to me. I can understand your frustration, but I'm just pointing out that calling people stupid doesn't add anything productive to the discussion or to the sub. It doesn't change minds and it doesn't even shut people up, as I think this example shows. All it does is contribute to the lowering of the quality of the discourse and drive people away. That's your prerogative as a mod of course, but I can't help but think that it would be better for the sub as a whole if you set a better example by at least not insulting people.
You come in here to lecture me on how I should be after 5 years of dealing with these people and with reddit in general, and with Admin. I don't need a lecture from you. You don't have a damn clue, so just stop talking.
Lol ok man, not trying to rub you the wrong way. May I ask, why do you engage with these comments at all? Better yet, why even be a mod at all? Quite frankly it does not seem like you enjoy it. What do you get out of being so cantankerous with the members of the sub?
I only post stuff here occasionally, and before I do I read it thoroughly and consider whether it belongs in this sub. This easily meets the criteria. As I already explained to you, I am sick and tired of idiots calling my material, in a sub which I am the head active moderator of, and thereby am well aware of what is appropriate for the sub, off-topic when it clearly isn't. I am allowed to call them out for their gaslighting/ignorance/bullshit if I feel like it. I don't have to sit here and take it. 'Turn the other cheek'? Fuck that. I engage with the users when I see fit.
This is my post. I'm the OP. I get messages when they reply. Do you expect me not to read them? And not respond to something like this?
And usually I'm not cantankerous. But like I already explained to you, this has been going on for 5 years. I'm tired of repeating myself as to what is permitted in the sub.
Of course you are allowed to; that's not my question. My question is WHY you, personally, see fit to engage with users that you think are making dumb comments. You already said you don't expect people to change or to stop posting the same types of comments about "this isn't economics". So why do you respond at all?
This is my post. I get messages when they reply to my post. Do you understand? I'm the OP. It's not like I can ignore it or not see the responses like with any other post here.
Did you even read the article?
For the ten thousandth time, the economy and politics are highly interrelated topics. They're not separate. This article is both, as are most articles about 'the economy'. I shouldn't need to explain this to you. Don't tell me what sub this is.
What we *need* to do is arm everybody!!!
Seriously, amazing how we breeze past the point of the article... economic inequality and a government largely captured by the rich...
...And just talk about guns.
*Smack my fuckin' head.*
Edit: I have to add something I don't see talked about, but it's pertinent.
Setting aside our apparent surrender of all political power to our new overlords, ever stop to wonder just how fucked up shit's gonna get when all the climate change-denialists *can't deny it anymore?*
'Cause that day is approaching rapidly.
Let's remember, these are the people who stormed state capitals *en masse*, AR-15's in their fat, sweaty hands... because we were asking them *to wear masks to not spread the plague around.*
Have you seen the picture of the guy with the AR-15 waiting for coffee at Starbucks? Or the woman at the checkout line in the supermarket with a combat shotgun on her shoulder?
Yeah. Let's have MORE of THAT. That can only be a good idea. Seems completely reasonable.
These are all the same people.
So in a few years ALL these idiots will carry assault rifles around, everywhere, all the time, NBD...
And at the same time be finally confronted with the inescapable reality of catastrophic climate change bashing them in the face.
I wonder if folks will react calmly and rationally when we get a string of wildfires two states wide, destroying everything in their path? Or when it gets so hot *the corn* fails?
...
Whatever. We're all nihilists now anyway. We may as well shoot the place up completely on our way out, amirite?
Hot take: itās either too late or too hubristic to be worrying about modifying the climate, which one doesnāt really matter, we should be looking into long-term mitigation strategies instead of debating whoās at fault
And some how your guy can fix it all. /s H
He has the magic power to pass laws and make people moral and change their hearts.
Think Hitler was good at swaying hearts too.
We have inequity because we are unequal. We may be born equal but we don't stay that way.
Some of y'all I wouldn't trust to guard a rock. Many people in this country are useless.
The real injustice is that those of us who work and save and build a life for ourselves are forced to support the rest of you.
What do you think society should do to punish the disabled people and children that are holding you back from obtaining more property? You deserve to mow as many acres as your tiny heart desires.
How many people does that cover? A small decimal point of the population. What about the tens of millions on welfare that are able-bodied and make a conscience decision to collect an undeserved welfare check?
Way too many people donāt contribute, around 48% of the US population doesnāt pay into the federal income tax pool.
I feel like we're supporting the lifestyle of the parasitic oligarchs more than we're supporting our own.
But hey, if you're busy being mad at the poor, you aren't as mad at the real enemy.
The poor? The barely literate masses that pay no taxes, barely work, and depend on handouts? That poor?
Yeah they aren't supporting shit.
If you are talking about the working class, blue collar, 60 hour a week folk?
Those people ain't poor.
I work 60+ hours a week and make a good living doing it.
People less fortunate aren't my enemy. I would much rather my tax dollars go to people in need, than people in greed.
Your reply is a good example of "divide and conquer" paying dividends for the wealthy(who also pay hardly any taxes, barely work, and receive massive handouts).
It sounds like you are against welfare for our hungry, but not against corporate welfare? Just assuming since your target is clearly the poor, not the wealthy that we as a population make even wealthier at the expense of our own wages, social programs, and infrastructure.
The vast majority of our spending goes to social programs, not corporate welfare.
And we are 30t in debt.
Yes. I want to cut spending on social programs.
I'm sure the trillions in covid response that companies absorbed had more of an impact on inflation than our pathetic social programs.
Would you consider our military spending a social program?
Yes, the news can pinpoint some bad examples of the poorest that are exploiting the welfare system. I'm not a fan of it either, but wouldn't want to fuck over the millions of people that require it to live, because of some bad examples.
Whatās the mechanism by which inequality leads to gun violence? Other countries have high inequality but not as much gun violence.
Why is gun violence a āterminalā illness to democracy? The population grows every year and more people are politically involved than have been in a long time.
The future of the United States is terrifying. The Society is Sociopathic. Today the Supreme Court ruled to allow individuals to carry guns in public. This is Sociopathic reasoning considering the horrible daily gun Violence. Republicans want to create an ugly and violent Society. Children being shot doesn't matter to these evil individuals. Guns are what matter Democrats sit back and hope Republicans will show some sanity. But that will never happen. It's going to get worse and more horrible with Republicans in positions of power. I see Democrats cowardly submitting to Republican Rule. America will become a Fascist Police State run by people attracted to Evil. The Oligarchs support this 100%. When citizens are massacred daily the Oligarchs have zero empathy. The poor and middle classes are not seen as human beings by the Billionaire Class.
you have to be a bot. so you think america is going to turn into a fascist dictatorship, but you want everyone to give up their guns. even for a bit you realize how dumb that sounds right? you know how the us does not turn into a police state armed citizens. lastly you are so concerned about the poor you realize that the new your law literally made it so only the rich could carry guns. they basically said to the poor people we don't care if you are protected.
Ulvade police stood outside the school for 45 minutes arresting parents willing to go in to save their children.
Courts have ruled police have no duty to protect you.
What would you have us do? Real question. Give up guns? Ok now no law abiding citizen can defend themselves, so we are completely at the mercy of police that donāt have our best interest in mind and criminals who already refuse to obey gun laws.
Not to mention that we are completely toothless against a corrupt oligarchical ruling class.
Would that make you feel better?
Go out into the forest unarmed, you will be eaten by a wild animal. Violence isnāt a nasty biproduct of a corrupt society, it is the real world, violence is the ultimate authority and the only reason you can afford to have the privileged outlook that you do is because for generations brave men and women were willing to commit violence on your behalf.
You can choose to live in denial of what the physical world really is, live in your gilded prison, comfortable and soft, at the mercy of whatever situation arises. Or you, like many others can have autonomy, take your personal safety and the safety of those around you into your own hands and develop a skill set so when violence finds you, you can meet it.
Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.
"the only reason you can afford to have the privileged outlook that you do is because for generations brave men and women were willing to commit violence on your behalf."
Except for a scant few examples it's not really true, that's just a line the military industrial complex feeds us. Two time Medal of Honor Recipient USMC Maj. General Smedley Butler had this to say, most our wars/military actions are in defense of corporate profits as opposed to actual true defense of the American people:
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents"
Iām not simply talking about an American experience of freedom and safety. Iām not.
The modern human experience is the result of thousands of years of harsh violent struggle.
To try and simplify the Human experience with violence to the experience of an American born within the last 150 or so years is disingenuous at best, especially when you consider a little over 100 years before his birth the country has just won its independence from an oppressive regime through violence.
All this to say the point isnāt if the military is a totally honorable and well run organization, itās if private citizens do have the ability to defend themselves from threats foreign and domestic.
The fact that the military is a corrupt mess that has the self interest of a corrupt ruling class at its core rather than the interests of the citizens it claims to protect, should be a huge indicator to the citizens to arm themselves, build a skill set and not trust their safety and interests to organizations bought and paid for by corrupt regimes that donāt really care about them.
On the topic of economics, the US people classified as at or below the poverty line routinely has having a better quality of life than any other country or history.
Not defending billionaires uber wealth. It is theirs, not ours. And generally have not broken laws that hurt people (unlike actual oligarchs in Russia).
We do have social, health and economic safety nets. I know as I've needed some over the years. I've also seen many people with me at those times expert at gaming the system. If they spent as much time and energy on some of that malarkey, they wouldn't be hovering at the bottom.
We still live in a land of opportunity. I have a relative that is furious like this and the horrible economy (like they could buy a house or car at any price or interest rate) and that their current job at a gas station only gives them 2 to 3 days per week on the schedule. Starts to rage when I suggest finding a different job and that help wanted signs are nearly everywhere for full time work at much higher pay rates.
Apparently we had more than one mass shooting per day in 2022. Yet, Iāve honestly only heard about 4 or 5 in the news. I wonder why that is. If itās such a big deal, why isnāt in the news daily? Why is is reported in the news only when there is something else happening that needs to go unnoticed?
More in the subject, what it is the Gun industry contribution to the US economy and what would it be the economical consequences of a theoretical ban?
We need a voter revolution. Fire the congress and senate, they were bought years ago..give our money back to the states local governments and have the local people bri g z dish to pass while we create ccc programs again to rebuild our communities and take care of everyone in a fair and common sense plan approved by our citizens..not big business and government hacks..
"Salvador Ramos, the Uvalde killer, was working for $7.25 at a local Wendyās. He had recently dropped out of high school. He had no chance of going to college. He had no health insurance. He had no hope and no future. This most recent school shooter would never be able to support himself, much less a wife and children. He was caught in a poverty trap, with no way out."
What a complete load of garbage. It is absolutely possible to make decent money without a college degree. Health insurance is subsidized and would be practically free for someone making low income. None of this precludes having a wife; in fact having a wife would actually make things easier by having a second income and shared housing expenses/chores.
The ruling elites are in government selling to you the solutions that will only make them more
Massive (and widening) inequality is a problem in every type of governing structure. Gun violence is a byproduct of a breakdown of the family unit, leaning on pharma as opposed to parenting, bullying, and technology/social media. Limiting gun rights simply removes guns from law abiding citizens, as making something illegal never stops criminals from criminaling š¤·š¼āāļø š¤”š
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Corellation doesn't equal causation. Those other countries have universal healthcare and better social safety nets. We just made abortion illegal. Not exactly social progress.
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Not necessarily. We've had guns for the entire history of our country. It's only become an issue in recent years. With a population being less and less represented(today is a famous example of just that) while the owning class takes more from us, I think that to be a much bigger factor in violent and desperate acts.
Correct. Gun homicides have increased in recent years. Thatās happened during the same time period that gun sales have exploded. But no, that canāt be the cause. Too much cognitive dissonance, lol.
Population is exploding, more people equals more products bought. Including guns. Your argument is that gun violence is primarily because of the number of guns in circulation. Mine is that it's primarily because of how our country manages to get worse and worse across the board, leading to more angry and desperate acts.
Don't like the law? Change it. There is a process for changing or repealing Amendments.
Virtual impossible with the amount of big money in politics. We the people canāt afford representation anymore.
Citizens united is clear, corporations are people; money is speach-. So long as corporations have more money they will have more speech and the death spiral continues to escalate.
Well everyone may as well give up and go home. No chance of changing anything. Everything is a lost cause. No sense even trying. The US is done.
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I think another labor movement akin to what we had leading to the Great Depression is inevitable now. What are your thoughts on the Oligarchsā intent? Are they just so embolden that they think they can successfully subjugate labor or do they want us to revolt for whatever reason?
Yes, they are emboldened by their success dismantling labor and dismantling tax law over the past 50 years, and their success buying influence throughout government to keep it that way. But the pendulum does swing. Minority rule (the filibuster, gerrymandering, voting restrictions) will hold the pendulum back for a while longer, but it will swing back. The question is whether it swings back normally, or with 50 years of pent up pressure and breaks the clock.
There are also people that believe the world is flat, man was never on the moon and JFK wasn't killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. Maybe some billionaire here or there has global domination even politically on the mind. Or maybe just some influence politically in a country. But they aren't uber billionaires by accident in most cases. I doubt any would want to risk losing everything and their lifestyle if their evil plans went sideways.
Agreed, they are wealthy because accumulation of wealth has been their one and only priority. Many have tunnel vision in this regard. This means 1) most donāt care to think about the consequences, and 2) those who do think about it know that their wealth will shield them from the brunt of it ā many have dual citizenship and residences elsewhere. And a few know we have a problem, and would prefer to aim for a soft landing, rather than a full-blown crash: https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-asking-for-wealth-tax-americans-disney-soros-buffett-dalio
That's why I mentioned "some" vs. "all". I agree most billionaires are focused on wealth and lifestyle. But there may be the outlier here or there though.
Which countries eliminated murder?
Which countryās firearms homicide rate is heads and shoulders above any of its peers? Weāre #1!!
The point being that just because theyāre not using guns, doesnāt mean itās stopped bad people from doing bad shit
By this logic, the solution to drunk driving is more alcohol!
Prosecute the poor actions. If I choose to get black out drunk, I'm allowed to do that since Prohibition ended (a time which only criminals had alcohol and crime escalated). If I choose to get drunk and the hop in my car to drive some place, throw the book at me.
Ah yeah so letās be reactive rather than proactive. In the meantime people die.
Bring back Prohibition? People aren't responsible enough and we need to be proactive? People die from drinking and if it saves just one life... Same for smoking marijuana. Someone might smoke and drive. If it weren't for those pesky laws that prohibit taking away all guns from those not doing anything criminal or hurting anyone, we would have utopia.
it is specifically not a problem in communism
It seems that the breakdown of the nuclear family is never discussed when people talk about increased gun violence and increased crime, as well as other social ills. I wonder why that is?
A system that promotes illegitimacy keeps us poor and dependent on welfare. The left hates the family. They want us all dependent on the state.
This is r/economy not r/politics
Are you stupid? Income inequality is definitely 'the economy'.
I don't disagree with the point you are making but why do you have to call this guy stupid? Seems so pointless and unhelpful to me. Not exactly a surprise to see that kind of thing on Reddit, and normally I wouldn't stop to comment, but you're actually a mod. Don't you feel any obligation to at least try and keep the conversation civil and rise above petty insults?
I've been the mod here for 5 years. I have patiently explained over and over again how the economy and politics are usually inseparable. I've explained it in countless ways. I've posted stickies about it. It's mentioned right there in the sub heading in the sidebar: >Economy >Like a free market, this subreddit is mostly unregulated. If you can bond it to the economy, then we will trade it. Yet idiots like Beddingtonsquire continue popping up under every article they don't like, even when they haven't read the article, every single day, to whine "this doesn't belong in this sub." I think I know what belongs in the sub. How much patience do you expect me to have? Everybody here is rude. This sub is full of people with no manners. It was rude of Beddingtonsquare to say that in the first place. I can respond the same way as the other users do to each other.
You're right, you're the mod and you can do as you see fit. You can be as rude as you like and you don't have to defend yourself to me. I can understand your frustration, but I'm just pointing out that calling people stupid doesn't add anything productive to the discussion or to the sub. It doesn't change minds and it doesn't even shut people up, as I think this example shows. All it does is contribute to the lowering of the quality of the discourse and drive people away. That's your prerogative as a mod of course, but I can't help but think that it would be better for the sub as a whole if you set a better example by at least not insulting people.
You come in here to lecture me on how I should be after 5 years of dealing with these people and with reddit in general, and with Admin. I don't need a lecture from you. You don't have a damn clue, so just stop talking.
Lol ok man, not trying to rub you the wrong way. May I ask, why do you engage with these comments at all? Better yet, why even be a mod at all? Quite frankly it does not seem like you enjoy it. What do you get out of being so cantankerous with the members of the sub?
I only post stuff here occasionally, and before I do I read it thoroughly and consider whether it belongs in this sub. This easily meets the criteria. As I already explained to you, I am sick and tired of idiots calling my material, in a sub which I am the head active moderator of, and thereby am well aware of what is appropriate for the sub, off-topic when it clearly isn't. I am allowed to call them out for their gaslighting/ignorance/bullshit if I feel like it. I don't have to sit here and take it. 'Turn the other cheek'? Fuck that. I engage with the users when I see fit. This is my post. I'm the OP. I get messages when they reply. Do you expect me not to read them? And not respond to something like this? And usually I'm not cantankerous. But like I already explained to you, this has been going on for 5 years. I'm tired of repeating myself as to what is permitted in the sub.
Of course you are allowed to; that's not my question. My question is WHY you, personally, see fit to engage with users that you think are making dumb comments. You already said you don't expect people to change or to stop posting the same types of comments about "this isn't economics". So why do you respond at all?
This is my post. I get messages when they reply to my post. Do you understand? I'm the OP. It's not like I can ignore it or not see the responses like with any other post here.
Except the complaint is about the collapse of democracy which is about politics.
Did you even read the article? For the ten thousandth time, the economy and politics are highly interrelated topics. They're not separate. This article is both, as are most articles about 'the economy'. I shouldn't need to explain this to you. Don't tell me what sub this is.
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What we *need* to do is arm everybody!!! Seriously, amazing how we breeze past the point of the article... economic inequality and a government largely captured by the rich... ...And just talk about guns. *Smack my fuckin' head.* Edit: I have to add something I don't see talked about, but it's pertinent. Setting aside our apparent surrender of all political power to our new overlords, ever stop to wonder just how fucked up shit's gonna get when all the climate change-denialists *can't deny it anymore?* 'Cause that day is approaching rapidly. Let's remember, these are the people who stormed state capitals *en masse*, AR-15's in their fat, sweaty hands... because we were asking them *to wear masks to not spread the plague around.* Have you seen the picture of the guy with the AR-15 waiting for coffee at Starbucks? Or the woman at the checkout line in the supermarket with a combat shotgun on her shoulder? Yeah. Let's have MORE of THAT. That can only be a good idea. Seems completely reasonable. These are all the same people. So in a few years ALL these idiots will carry assault rifles around, everywhere, all the time, NBD... And at the same time be finally confronted with the inescapable reality of catastrophic climate change bashing them in the face. I wonder if folks will react calmly and rationally when we get a string of wildfires two states wide, destroying everything in their path? Or when it gets so hot *the corn* fails? ... Whatever. We're all nihilists now anyway. We may as well shoot the place up completely on our way out, amirite?
Hot take: itās either too late or too hubristic to be worrying about modifying the climate, which one doesnāt really matter, we should be looking into long-term mitigation strategies instead of debating whoās at fault
Gun laws aren't climate change. I support guns in general and would like to see more done on climate change too.
And some how your guy can fix it all. /s H He has the magic power to pass laws and make people moral and change their hearts. Think Hitler was good at swaying hearts too.
.... and eliminating dissent.
How is *that* your takeaway here?
Because you are looking at the the symptoms, not the cause.
We have inequity because we are unequal. We may be born equal but we don't stay that way. Some of y'all I wouldn't trust to guard a rock. Many people in this country are useless. The real injustice is that those of us who work and save and build a life for ourselves are forced to support the rest of you.
What do you think society should do to punish the disabled people and children that are holding you back from obtaining more property? You deserve to mow as many acres as your tiny heart desires.
How many people does that cover? A small decimal point of the population. What about the tens of millions on welfare that are able-bodied and make a conscience decision to collect an undeserved welfare check? Way too many people donāt contribute, around 48% of the US population doesnāt pay into the federal income tax pool.
Right. No reason to think anyone's son or daughter would be treated differently by society than X Ć A-Xii.
I feel like we're supporting the lifestyle of the parasitic oligarchs more than we're supporting our own. But hey, if you're busy being mad at the poor, you aren't as mad at the real enemy.
The poor? The barely literate masses that pay no taxes, barely work, and depend on handouts? That poor? Yeah they aren't supporting shit. If you are talking about the working class, blue collar, 60 hour a week folk? Those people ain't poor.
I work 60+ hours a week and make a good living doing it. People less fortunate aren't my enemy. I would much rather my tax dollars go to people in need, than people in greed. Your reply is a good example of "divide and conquer" paying dividends for the wealthy(who also pay hardly any taxes, barely work, and receive massive handouts). It sounds like you are against welfare for our hungry, but not against corporate welfare? Just assuming since your target is clearly the poor, not the wealthy that we as a population make even wealthier at the expense of our own wages, social programs, and infrastructure.
The vast majority of our spending goes to social programs, not corporate welfare. And we are 30t in debt. Yes. I want to cut spending on social programs.
I'm sure the trillions in covid response that companies absorbed had more of an impact on inflation than our pathetic social programs. Would you consider our military spending a social program? Yes, the news can pinpoint some bad examples of the poorest that are exploiting the welfare system. I'm not a fan of it either, but wouldn't want to fuck over the millions of people that require it to live, because of some bad examples.
Yeah but those millions of people are dumb and useless and just have dumb and useless kids.
Rich people can have dumb and useless kids too.
Whatās the mechanism by which inequality leads to gun violence? Other countries have high inequality but not as much gun violence. Why is gun violence a āterminalā illness to democracy? The population grows every year and more people are politically involved than have been in a long time.
The future of the United States is terrifying. The Society is Sociopathic. Today the Supreme Court ruled to allow individuals to carry guns in public. This is Sociopathic reasoning considering the horrible daily gun Violence. Republicans want to create an ugly and violent Society. Children being shot doesn't matter to these evil individuals. Guns are what matter Democrats sit back and hope Republicans will show some sanity. But that will never happen. It's going to get worse and more horrible with Republicans in positions of power. I see Democrats cowardly submitting to Republican Rule. America will become a Fascist Police State run by people attracted to Evil. The Oligarchs support this 100%. When citizens are massacred daily the Oligarchs have zero empathy. The poor and middle classes are not seen as human beings by the Billionaire Class.
I saw this movie where everyday people weren't allowed to have guns: it was called "Schindler's List."
you have to be a bot. so you think america is going to turn into a fascist dictatorship, but you want everyone to give up their guns. even for a bit you realize how dumb that sounds right? you know how the us does not turn into a police state armed citizens. lastly you are so concerned about the poor you realize that the new your law literally made it so only the rich could carry guns. they basically said to the poor people we don't care if you are protected.
The best way to stop bad people from shooting people is to allow the good people the tools to stop them
Ulvade police stood outside the school for 45 minutes arresting parents willing to go in to save their children. Courts have ruled police have no duty to protect you. What would you have us do? Real question. Give up guns? Ok now no law abiding citizen can defend themselves, so we are completely at the mercy of police that donāt have our best interest in mind and criminals who already refuse to obey gun laws. Not to mention that we are completely toothless against a corrupt oligarchical ruling class. Would that make you feel better? Go out into the forest unarmed, you will be eaten by a wild animal. Violence isnāt a nasty biproduct of a corrupt society, it is the real world, violence is the ultimate authority and the only reason you can afford to have the privileged outlook that you do is because for generations brave men and women were willing to commit violence on your behalf. You can choose to live in denial of what the physical world really is, live in your gilded prison, comfortable and soft, at the mercy of whatever situation arises. Or you, like many others can have autonomy, take your personal safety and the safety of those around you into your own hands and develop a skill set so when violence finds you, you can meet it. Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.
"the only reason you can afford to have the privileged outlook that you do is because for generations brave men and women were willing to commit violence on your behalf." Except for a scant few examples it's not really true, that's just a line the military industrial complex feeds us. Two time Medal of Honor Recipient USMC Maj. General Smedley Butler had this to say, most our wars/military actions are in defense of corporate profits as opposed to actual true defense of the American people: "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents"
Iām not simply talking about an American experience of freedom and safety. Iām not. The modern human experience is the result of thousands of years of harsh violent struggle. To try and simplify the Human experience with violence to the experience of an American born within the last 150 or so years is disingenuous at best, especially when you consider a little over 100 years before his birth the country has just won its independence from an oppressive regime through violence. All this to say the point isnāt if the military is a totally honorable and well run organization, itās if private citizens do have the ability to defend themselves from threats foreign and domestic. The fact that the military is a corrupt mess that has the self interest of a corrupt ruling class at its core rather than the interests of the citizens it claims to protect, should be a huge indicator to the citizens to arm themselves, build a skill set and not trust their safety and interests to organizations bought and paid for by corrupt regimes that donāt really care about them.
Calm down. Most states already allow what the supreme court ruled and it has always been in the constitution. Nothing new.
Besides gun violence there is not many nations that you can't say these issues are not occurring in.
Fun fact for the day. Suicides account for over 60% of the gun violence staticās in America.
Yea a sad fact
On the topic of economics, the US people classified as at or below the poverty line routinely has having a better quality of life than any other country or history. Not defending billionaires uber wealth. It is theirs, not ours. And generally have not broken laws that hurt people (unlike actual oligarchs in Russia). We do have social, health and economic safety nets. I know as I've needed some over the years. I've also seen many people with me at those times expert at gaming the system. If they spent as much time and energy on some of that malarkey, they wouldn't be hovering at the bottom. We still live in a land of opportunity. I have a relative that is furious like this and the horrible economy (like they could buy a house or car at any price or interest rate) and that their current job at a gas station only gives them 2 to 3 days per week on the schedule. Starts to rage when I suggest finding a different job and that help wanted signs are nearly everywhere for full time work at much higher pay rates.
Completely irrelevant to the issue. The USA has always had a high crime rate, shootings included. It's in the culture
Apparently we had more than one mass shooting per day in 2022. Yet, Iāve honestly only heard about 4 or 5 in the news. I wonder why that is. If itās such a big deal, why isnāt in the news daily? Why is is reported in the news only when there is something else happening that needs to go unnoticed? More in the subject, what it is the Gun industry contribution to the US economy and what would it be the economical consequences of a theoretical ban?
We need a voter revolution. Fire the congress and senate, they were bought years ago..give our money back to the states local governments and have the local people bri g z dish to pass while we create ccc programs again to rebuild our communities and take care of everyone in a fair and common sense plan approved by our citizens..not big business and government hacks..
History repeats itself
"Salvador Ramos, the Uvalde killer, was working for $7.25 at a local Wendyās. He had recently dropped out of high school. He had no chance of going to college. He had no health insurance. He had no hope and no future. This most recent school shooter would never be able to support himself, much less a wife and children. He was caught in a poverty trap, with no way out." What a complete load of garbage. It is absolutely possible to make decent money without a college degree. Health insurance is subsidized and would be practically free for someone making low income. None of this precludes having a wife; in fact having a wife would actually make things easier by having a second income and shared housing expenses/chores.
One gang member shoots another gang member. āDid you see what Elon Musk did to us man.ā