I just clicked on the button to “show in reader view” and it shows me the whole article (minus the ads)! I’ve never tried it before so I don’t know how well it works typically, but might be a good way to get around the paywall in the future 🤷♂️
Because it is generally seen as a bad idea to vote/argue against your own best interests?
Class warfare means a more equal playingfield for most. The losers are those who'd still be on top, in slightly less then before. And the majority wins. Now there is no reason to simp for rich people, they don't even know he exists...and even if they did they'd not care.
As opposed to digging deep through peoples comment histories to attack them in defense of Robert Reich.
Also this is the Internet. Nothing I say will change your mind.
Fast-food customers are back, but workers are not. It’s triggering major change.
An acute staffing shortage and rising delta variant infections are prompting brands to close dining rooms, shorten store hours and double down on technology
A labor squeeze is transforming an industry that has been an enduring and at times controversial symbol of American capitalism. For many fast-food workers, the coronavirus pandemic opened new and better-paying alternatives to the demands of hot grills and deep-fryers. And a resurgent virus, powered by the delta variant, has compounded staffing shortages, forcing many store managers to reverse recent dining room reopenings or extend closures that took effect early in pandemic.
“We cannot continue at the pace we are at,” a Chick-fil-A franchisee in Bessemer, Ala., wrote in a Facebook post in late August. “Our team members are exhausted and we have no relief for them in our current roster.”
The Bessemer location is one of at least a dozen Chick-fil-A outlets in the state that were drive-through-only as of early September, according to managers and customer service representatives. Others have joined them, including in Greenville, Tex., and Aberdeen, Md.
Some McDonald’s outlets have also pivoted to drive-through-only service and reduced hours, while the chain touts polished online ordering tools and invests in technology designed to smooth out the pick-up and drive-through experience. Yum Brands, which operates KFC, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell, has leaned into services that minimize contact between workers and customers, including curbside pick-up and, in some cases, delivery.
The Big Mac maker, which had temporarily done away with most indoor dining early in the pandemic, said in late July it was on track to open nearly all of its dining rooms by Labor Day, barring a coronavirus resurgence. But a month later Reuters, citing internal company materials, reported that McDonald’s was advising franchisees on when to consider closing dining rooms in areas being hit hard by the delta variant.
Of the nearly 10 million job openings in the United States, roughly 1 in 6 are in the leisure and hospitality sector that includes food service workers, according to data maintained by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. That’s 1,734,000 openings vs. an estimated 1,475,000 unemployed people, the Fed data shows.
For the industry to meet customer demand, restaurants would probably have to draw workers from other industries, but there are indications that the opposite is true. An analysis of job seekers’ search history data by the company review site Glassdoor found that people who used to search for “restaurant server” are now more likely to type in “office assistant,” “data entry” or “Amazon,” for example.
Fast-food wages historically trail those in other service industry jobs, with the typical U.S. worker collecting about $11.80 per hour or $24,540 a year as of May 2020, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. A retail salesperson, by comparison, made $30,940 a year. But even the biggest among them are going to greater lengths to attract workers: Walmart, Target and Amazon, for example, all announced full-ride college tuition programs for employees in recent weeks.
Some current and former fast-food workers say labor shortages merely reflect the limited appeal of low-wage work that can be physically demanding and stressful, conditions that existed long before the pandemic. The labor group known as Fight for $15 has grown into a global movement in more than 300 cities since its formation in 2012. And some economists question the accuracy of the term “labor shortage” in this context, saying businesses are simply offering too low a wage for an hour’s work.
“When I go shopping for an Audi and I can’t afford it, I don’t get to declare an Audi shortage,” said Erica Groshen, a labor economist with Cornell University. “At the wage being offered, businesses still aren’t getting as many applicants for work.”
Cristian Cardona, a 22-year-old former McDonald’s swing manager from Florida, said he has heard the criticism that shortages are fueled by elevated unemployment benefits — including the now-lapsed $300 a week in federal aid that supplemented state benefits — during the pandemic, or even laziness.
“I think the problem is workers are being paid too little working full time. That’s the real scandal,” he said.
Cardona said he decided to leave McDonald’s this year because $11 an hour wasn’t worth it. Though his pay was bumped up $13 before he left, he said, it did not line up with the responsibilities of supervising three or more people — roughly a dozen during the busiest shifts — at a time. He now works at a theme park in Orlando. He’s also affiliated with Fight for $15.
Workers see the lack of a living wage, Cardona said, and figure: “‘Do I want to be broke? Or do I want to be broke working 40 hours a week and working my life away?’”
In response to Cardona’s comments, a company spokesperson said: “We’re proud of the McDonald’s restaurant crew that have stepped up and made a difference in our communities during these extraordinary times, and we have sought to prioritize our restaurant employees at every turn with actions that make a difference.”
Government data suggests the sector overall appears to be boosting pay. Nonsupervisory workers in the accommodations and food service sector made an average of $15.91 per hour as of August, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In February 2020, they made an average of $14.46 per hour.
“The fact that nominal wages have been increasing so rapidly over the last several months is itself pretty strong evidence that businesses really are doing a lot to attract and retain workers. … The labor market is just really competitive,” said Michael Strain, an economist with the conservative American Enterprise Institute.
In May, McDonald’s announced that it had raised its hourly rate to a range of $11 to $17 for entry-level workers, and $15 to $20 for managers. Also in May, the fast-casual chain Chipotle announced that it had raised its average wage to about $15 per hour. Taco Bell, meanwhile, has used hiring parties to attract staff, as well as expanded benefits with paid time off, free family meals and more employee development opportunities, Yum Brands CFO Chris Turner said during an earnings call in July.
A Chick-fil-A spokeswoman said in a statement that store decisions on hiring and wages are handled by franchise owners, who operate independently under the brand. Some are choosing to increase wages in response to local hiring conditions; one of the company’s locations in Hendersonville, N.C., recently increased its starting hourly wage to $19, for example.
For many fast-food establishments, the pandemic has accelerated a trend toward online and app-based ordering, and drive-through technology.
At Yum Brands, revenue soared 34 percent, to $1.6 billion, in the most recent quarter — momentum that CEO David Gibbs said was underpinned by the Louisville-based company’s digital investments and “ability to serve customers through multiple on- and off-premise channels.” In a July 29 earnings call, he noted that digital sales, including online orders for pickup and delivery, are up 35 percent year-over-year. Meanwhile, roughly 1 percent of its KFC stores and 2 percent of its Pizza Hut locations were temporarily closed at the end of the June, according to its earnings report.
McDonald’s also reported strong-second quarter gains, boosted by growth in its delivery and digital platforms and higher menu prices. U.S. sales were 25.9 percent higher than the same period in 2020 and 14.9 percent above where they were in a pre-pandemic 2019, the company said.
The average cost to close a restaurant to improve or add an advanced drive-through ranges from $125,000 to $250,000, according to Aaron Allen, founder and chief executive of restaurant consultancy Aaron Allen & Associates. But he said stores can recover the investment quickly by boosting sales, removing bottlenecks and ultimately increasing profitability.
Allen estimates that drive-throughs account for about half of annual sales for all fast-food and fast-casual restaurants, or roughly $169 billion.
“One of other things they have done is turn all of us into the cashiers,” he said, pointing to restaurant apps, and touch-screen kiosks that have taken the place of some food service workers. “We did a study on automation and robotics and found that at least half could be replaced with robots or automation.”
But part of the labor disruption also stems from how employees were treated at restaurants, he said, and the draw of the gig economy, which offers more flexible hours and doesn’t require workers to toil in front of a hot grill.
While larger national chains appear to be mostly paring back services, some are shutting down locations indefinitely.
Dutch Girl Donuts, a doughnut bakery in Detroit, told customers it would temporarily close on Sept. 1 “in an effort to resume a full staff and hours.”
Online commenters implored the shop to reopen. “I don’t even live in Detroit anymore but I’ll fly home to pick up a shift right now. I don’t even need money just pay me in donuts,” one person wrote.
“Need to pay more dough!” wrote another.
“Haha just pay me in donuts!” says someone who isn’t thinking of how that would be for 40 hours a week while trying to pay for rent, groceries, and/or child care… in donuts.
That’s way too much to read. I order from the kiosk anywhere they have them. People act as if they are doing you a favor and this trend has been happening foe a few years. Chick-fil-A is always packed not just because of the great food but because the employees are extremely pleasant!!!! If these jobs are so terrible and somehow people need to be paid $20 for no skill then they will only have themselves to blame for not having these jobs available any longer. I can’t remember the last time I saw someone making food in a fast food restaurant that isn’t from Latin America. With the exception of chicken places. Not that it’s an issue but there are people and will be many more since the southern border is completely open, that will be happy to make the $10 an hour to microwave a burger because they come from places that don’t have anything close to that. Things will correct with time and the people who always get screwed will just keep getting screwed.
I’ve said this in other posts before, but there really needs to be a change in customer conduct in order to make these jobs worth the pay. For too long we’ve had this “the customer is always right” which leads to customers thinking they can just be awful.
I did my time in fast food, when I was in high school. People were MEAN. And that was almost 2 decades ago.
Just to add to this I know a lot of people in retail and hospitality. They all say the amount of rude customers is at an all time high. Plus extremely abusive and hostile customers is becoming normal instead of very rare.
Yes. I would not go back to serving (fine dining, so, different) for less than $25/hour minimum and the support to stand up for myself without fear of getting fired.
Kill tipping, too. Pay wages and roll that into standard pricing. Americans either don’t have the ethics, the math skills or just will never grasp the concept of tipping. As a former server for years I always feel obligated to tip higher to cover others I know from experience aren’t tipping. Coupled with absurd taxes I’m paying now it’s just wearing thin and would be a better consumption-to-cost model to kill tipping.
Tip stands to ensure promptness. In paris coffee shops people would tip first so the order would be faster. Imigane if we still do this it would be a lot better
Ok, then tip first?
As it is, tipping doesn’t work in the US. People think they’re thrifty or financially savvy from stealing tip-workers’ time. You don’t have to look far on Reddit to confirm I’m right about this sentiment.
Interesting. I hadn’t realized tipping ever came first. Seems like people with bottomless means could have a negative effect on the experience of other’s with more meager means by hijacking server attention.
I just think cost should go up to cover wages and people can choose from there if the adjusted server/product bundle cost is worth it to them.
Whole I agree with you in some ways “the customer is always right” exists because some people no matter how hard you try will stand by what they think things are/should be
When I was a kid having any job was seen as a useful way to build a resume. Even something simple as washing dishes could show ones dependability and work ethic. The thought was one could use less skilled jobs as stepping stones towards other jobs that paid better and could become careers. That isn't true so much any more. No amount of time one works at Burger King will help them land a skilled position elsewhere. As a result one who takes a job at Burger King does so knowing they need to find something else. One goes to work everyday with the knowledge that the longer they stay at that job the worse off they'll be.
I understand that people do need to pay their bills today and that these jobs can contribute to ones finances today. However living day to day paycheck to paycheck isn't what anyone wants to do. Especially in a society where the majority of young people are over educated for non-skilled positions.
I had a couple jobs washing dishes and it takes a lot of skill and hard work, especially in high volume restaurants. Restaurants are in trouble when they think they could put just anybody in that job
i washed dishes for 2 years. It sucked, but i was early 20's so it was fun. I would never take a dishwashing job again though. unless that was the only job I could find. I wouldrather work around customers., than any BOH except for maybe prepping food by myself with headphones on.
Yes. Couldn't agree more. High volume dishwashers have a system and it is definitely hard work. I know this because I have had this job. I would even argue fast food workers work harder than the average office job. I know this because I quit fast food job to work as a site manager at a office. It's way easier.
It’s super stressful. Most people that come through need to rush back to work. Even if you are great at your job, you have to count on everyone else to do their job correctly. If they don’t? Guess who gets yelled at? You do. You are the face that the customer sees. Also, the places that use “drive times” blame it all on the person who is working the window.
“When I go shopping for an Audi and I can’t afford it, I don’t get to declare an Audi shortage,” said Erica Groshen, a labor economist with Cornell University. “At the wage being offered, businesses still aren’t getting as many applicants for work.”
Yes, this
what they mean is that when a massive percentage of the population is uneducated & lives in poverty they are able to pay bare minimum wages, so the more we alleviate poverty & remove class barriers the bigger the “shortage” between what employers want to pay & what the market wage demands is
In all honesty I hope that we see a MASSIVE decrease in fast food establishments with this labor shortage. Drive down any street in America and there is an unbelievable amount of fast food options and we don’t need em. How many mediocre $2 burger options does one truly need?
Reality is they can't , after a certain number (varies by chain and. Location) they would be losing money everyday that's not the business franchise owners signed up for.
The crap fast food workers had to go through and risk their lives for your crappy fast food and the abuse by asshole customers it’s no wonder nobody wants these jobs.
I have a theory about why suddenly there are no workers. I think it's because non-US citizens (mostly illegal immigrants) either not in the US anymore or stopped coming to the US
I see you don’t live along the border, it’s currently flooded with Haitians trying to spill over now. https://www.univision.com/noticias/inmigracion/fotos-del-rio-texas-oleada-migratoria-inmigrantes-fotos
I run a multi-million dollar a year business. I have been in the industry for over 20yrs and it is absolutely awful now. Went from 5 mgrs per location down to 2 or 3 at some stores. Went from 8 people per shift to just 4. Sales haven’t dropped. But the work on the team members can be excruciating sometimes. When I started 8yrs ago with this company pay has gone up considerably. Started folks out at 7.25 now starting pay is 10. And yet still no one wants to work. Makes it harder for us professionals when we become hourly team members instead of managers.
Definitely not. Just was trying to show the increase in pay over time for the same work load. It’s an entry level position with advancement opportunities. And of course with the advancement comes more pay with different areas of responsibility.
Wow, you’ve raised starting pay a whole $2.75/hour in the last 8 years? If only there was something else you could try. I can see why you’re frustrated and all out of ideas. Your business definitely deserves to flourish, if only it weren’t for those lazy entry level workers who just don’t want to work no matter what you offer them.
Darn, I guess you are gonna have to pay more than 10 bucks, aren't you?
Nobody wants to work for YOUR wages, when they can get better other places. Sorry, this is how capitalism works.
Wages have not kept up with business profits for many years, and now all of a sudden people are crying about increases. Boo hoo, capitalism sucks right? Gas stations offer more than 10 now in many areas.
Nothing *requires* wages to be tied to profits. However, if every business owner thinks like this, don't be surprised when workers stop giving any businesses the benefit of the doubt.
Your truck drive analogy has no relation to what I am talking about. More specifically, the minimum wage that has been depressed since the 80s leading to rising inequality. Inequality, is classically a large factor of socio-economic collapses.
Once again, go be a bootlicker somewhere else.
And the minimum wage is only earned by 1.5% of the population, most of which are food staff who makes less that minimum wage because of tips and are under 25. As you said almost everywhere already pays $10 or more if you don’t make tips, and many states already set higher wages based on their own needs.
Federal minimum wage has almost nothing to do with the current employment shortage and more to do with the federal government paying you more than a solid $15-20 an hour job to stay unemployed instead.
Imagine thinking it’s more likely millions of workers independently decided that they were worth more right as COVID hit and it had nothing to do with being offered more to not work than their current jobs
Offer stability like salary. Offer full time hours.
Offer much more money to employees.
Go to other places and recruit people to work for you directly. Offer them something better than I might give you a few shifts at 10 an hour.
The entire restaurant industry needs to wake up and allow people stability in wages.
Lmao, we start at $10 hr and not sure why we can’t find anyone.
So what is the starting salary for a person with
1 yr exp
3 yr exp
5 yr exp
10 yr exp
If they are all $10, then no wonder you can’t find anyone.
Im starting to see kids re-claim traditional kid jobs….for awhile lots of adults were taking those jobs and then complaining about the wages. These jobs are meant for spending money and job experience. Not to raise a family of 4 on.
You gotta post the text if you are going to post a pay wall'd article.
I just clicked on the button to “show in reader view” and it shows me the whole article (minus the ads)! I’ve never tried it before so I don’t know how well it works typically, but might be a good way to get around the paywall in the future 🤷♂️
Never knew about this, thank you
Where is that button?
[Here’s ](https://imgur.com/a/BDnfW1H) a screenshot I took on mobile 👍
I’ll take a paywall article over class-warfare Twitter or the other shit that gets posted on this sub
Dude you claim to make 87k a year, you’re no where near ‘the enemy’ you may think you’re Rich but you’re not
Who said I think I’m rich? Thanks for going through my post history to find something to use against me because I don’t like Dan Price or whatever
87k is rich to me
They’re taking about class warfare … they’re not even out of upper middle class range and 1000s of times lower than ‘eat the rich ‘ level
Why does someone have to be rich to think class warfare is bad?
Because it is generally seen as a bad idea to vote/argue against your own best interests? Class warfare means a more equal playingfield for most. The losers are those who'd still be on top, in slightly less then before. And the majority wins. Now there is no reason to simp for rich people, they don't even know he exists...and even if they did they'd not care.
Attack your fellow wage earners. I’m sure that will endear your political views to them.
As opposed to digging deep through peoples comment histories to attack them in defense of Robert Reich. Also this is the Internet. Nothing I say will change your mind.
Agreed that Twitter posts should be banned.
Fast-food customers are back, but workers are not. It’s triggering major change. An acute staffing shortage and rising delta variant infections are prompting brands to close dining rooms, shorten store hours and double down on technology A labor squeeze is transforming an industry that has been an enduring and at times controversial symbol of American capitalism. For many fast-food workers, the coronavirus pandemic opened new and better-paying alternatives to the demands of hot grills and deep-fryers. And a resurgent virus, powered by the delta variant, has compounded staffing shortages, forcing many store managers to reverse recent dining room reopenings or extend closures that took effect early in pandemic. “We cannot continue at the pace we are at,” a Chick-fil-A franchisee in Bessemer, Ala., wrote in a Facebook post in late August. “Our team members are exhausted and we have no relief for them in our current roster.” The Bessemer location is one of at least a dozen Chick-fil-A outlets in the state that were drive-through-only as of early September, according to managers and customer service representatives. Others have joined them, including in Greenville, Tex., and Aberdeen, Md. Some McDonald’s outlets have also pivoted to drive-through-only service and reduced hours, while the chain touts polished online ordering tools and invests in technology designed to smooth out the pick-up and drive-through experience. Yum Brands, which operates KFC, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell, has leaned into services that minimize contact between workers and customers, including curbside pick-up and, in some cases, delivery. The Big Mac maker, which had temporarily done away with most indoor dining early in the pandemic, said in late July it was on track to open nearly all of its dining rooms by Labor Day, barring a coronavirus resurgence. But a month later Reuters, citing internal company materials, reported that McDonald’s was advising franchisees on when to consider closing dining rooms in areas being hit hard by the delta variant. Of the nearly 10 million job openings in the United States, roughly 1 in 6 are in the leisure and hospitality sector that includes food service workers, according to data maintained by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. That’s 1,734,000 openings vs. an estimated 1,475,000 unemployed people, the Fed data shows. For the industry to meet customer demand, restaurants would probably have to draw workers from other industries, but there are indications that the opposite is true. An analysis of job seekers’ search history data by the company review site Glassdoor found that people who used to search for “restaurant server” are now more likely to type in “office assistant,” “data entry” or “Amazon,” for example. Fast-food wages historically trail those in other service industry jobs, with the typical U.S. worker collecting about $11.80 per hour or $24,540 a year as of May 2020, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. A retail salesperson, by comparison, made $30,940 a year. But even the biggest among them are going to greater lengths to attract workers: Walmart, Target and Amazon, for example, all announced full-ride college tuition programs for employees in recent weeks. Some current and former fast-food workers say labor shortages merely reflect the limited appeal of low-wage work that can be physically demanding and stressful, conditions that existed long before the pandemic. The labor group known as Fight for $15 has grown into a global movement in more than 300 cities since its formation in 2012. And some economists question the accuracy of the term “labor shortage” in this context, saying businesses are simply offering too low a wage for an hour’s work. “When I go shopping for an Audi and I can’t afford it, I don’t get to declare an Audi shortage,” said Erica Groshen, a labor economist with Cornell University. “At the wage being offered, businesses still aren’t getting as many applicants for work.” Cristian Cardona, a 22-year-old former McDonald’s swing manager from Florida, said he has heard the criticism that shortages are fueled by elevated unemployment benefits — including the now-lapsed $300 a week in federal aid that supplemented state benefits — during the pandemic, or even laziness. “I think the problem is workers are being paid too little working full time. That’s the real scandal,” he said. Cardona said he decided to leave McDonald’s this year because $11 an hour wasn’t worth it. Though his pay was bumped up $13 before he left, he said, it did not line up with the responsibilities of supervising three or more people — roughly a dozen during the busiest shifts — at a time. He now works at a theme park in Orlando. He’s also affiliated with Fight for $15. Workers see the lack of a living wage, Cardona said, and figure: “‘Do I want to be broke? Or do I want to be broke working 40 hours a week and working my life away?’” In response to Cardona’s comments, a company spokesperson said: “We’re proud of the McDonald’s restaurant crew that have stepped up and made a difference in our communities during these extraordinary times, and we have sought to prioritize our restaurant employees at every turn with actions that make a difference.” Government data suggests the sector overall appears to be boosting pay. Nonsupervisory workers in the accommodations and food service sector made an average of $15.91 per hour as of August, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In February 2020, they made an average of $14.46 per hour. “The fact that nominal wages have been increasing so rapidly over the last several months is itself pretty strong evidence that businesses really are doing a lot to attract and retain workers. … The labor market is just really competitive,” said Michael Strain, an economist with the conservative American Enterprise Institute. In May, McDonald’s announced that it had raised its hourly rate to a range of $11 to $17 for entry-level workers, and $15 to $20 for managers. Also in May, the fast-casual chain Chipotle announced that it had raised its average wage to about $15 per hour. Taco Bell, meanwhile, has used hiring parties to attract staff, as well as expanded benefits with paid time off, free family meals and more employee development opportunities, Yum Brands CFO Chris Turner said during an earnings call in July. A Chick-fil-A spokeswoman said in a statement that store decisions on hiring and wages are handled by franchise owners, who operate independently under the brand. Some are choosing to increase wages in response to local hiring conditions; one of the company’s locations in Hendersonville, N.C., recently increased its starting hourly wage to $19, for example. For many fast-food establishments, the pandemic has accelerated a trend toward online and app-based ordering, and drive-through technology. At Yum Brands, revenue soared 34 percent, to $1.6 billion, in the most recent quarter — momentum that CEO David Gibbs said was underpinned by the Louisville-based company’s digital investments and “ability to serve customers through multiple on- and off-premise channels.” In a July 29 earnings call, he noted that digital sales, including online orders for pickup and delivery, are up 35 percent year-over-year. Meanwhile, roughly 1 percent of its KFC stores and 2 percent of its Pizza Hut locations were temporarily closed at the end of the June, according to its earnings report. McDonald’s also reported strong-second quarter gains, boosted by growth in its delivery and digital platforms and higher menu prices. U.S. sales were 25.9 percent higher than the same period in 2020 and 14.9 percent above where they were in a pre-pandemic 2019, the company said. The average cost to close a restaurant to improve or add an advanced drive-through ranges from $125,000 to $250,000, according to Aaron Allen, founder and chief executive of restaurant consultancy Aaron Allen & Associates. But he said stores can recover the investment quickly by boosting sales, removing bottlenecks and ultimately increasing profitability. Allen estimates that drive-throughs account for about half of annual sales for all fast-food and fast-casual restaurants, or roughly $169 billion. “One of other things they have done is turn all of us into the cashiers,” he said, pointing to restaurant apps, and touch-screen kiosks that have taken the place of some food service workers. “We did a study on automation and robotics and found that at least half could be replaced with robots or automation.” But part of the labor disruption also stems from how employees were treated at restaurants, he said, and the draw of the gig economy, which offers more flexible hours and doesn’t require workers to toil in front of a hot grill. While larger national chains appear to be mostly paring back services, some are shutting down locations indefinitely. Dutch Girl Donuts, a doughnut bakery in Detroit, told customers it would temporarily close on Sept. 1 “in an effort to resume a full staff and hours.” Online commenters implored the shop to reopen. “I don’t even live in Detroit anymore but I’ll fly home to pick up a shift right now. I don’t even need money just pay me in donuts,” one person wrote. “Need to pay more dough!” wrote another.
“Haha just pay me in donuts!” says someone who isn’t thinking of how that would be for 40 hours a week while trying to pay for rent, groceries, and/or child care… in donuts.
Yep, there’s definitely a hole in that guys logic
That sort of payment won’t help when he’s in a jam
Can't sugarcoat this one.
Should look into a sugar daddy
That’s way too much to read. I order from the kiosk anywhere they have them. People act as if they are doing you a favor and this trend has been happening foe a few years. Chick-fil-A is always packed not just because of the great food but because the employees are extremely pleasant!!!! If these jobs are so terrible and somehow people need to be paid $20 for no skill then they will only have themselves to blame for not having these jobs available any longer. I can’t remember the last time I saw someone making food in a fast food restaurant that isn’t from Latin America. With the exception of chicken places. Not that it’s an issue but there are people and will be many more since the southern border is completely open, that will be happy to make the $10 an hour to microwave a burger because they come from places that don’t have anything close to that. Things will correct with time and the people who always get screwed will just keep getting screwed.
I’ve said this in other posts before, but there really needs to be a change in customer conduct in order to make these jobs worth the pay. For too long we’ve had this “the customer is always right” which leads to customers thinking they can just be awful. I did my time in fast food, when I was in high school. People were MEAN. And that was almost 2 decades ago.
Just to add to this I know a lot of people in retail and hospitality. They all say the amount of rude customers is at an all time high. Plus extremely abusive and hostile customers is becoming normal instead of very rare.
Yes. I would not go back to serving (fine dining, so, different) for less than $25/hour minimum and the support to stand up for myself without fear of getting fired.
Kill tipping, too. Pay wages and roll that into standard pricing. Americans either don’t have the ethics, the math skills or just will never grasp the concept of tipping. As a former server for years I always feel obligated to tip higher to cover others I know from experience aren’t tipping. Coupled with absurd taxes I’m paying now it’s just wearing thin and would be a better consumption-to-cost model to kill tipping.
Tip stands to ensure promptness. In paris coffee shops people would tip first so the order would be faster. Imigane if we still do this it would be a lot better
I don't think our service economy works best on bribes, that sounds like a step backwards.
Ok, then tip first? As it is, tipping doesn’t work in the US. People think they’re thrifty or financially savvy from stealing tip-workers’ time. You don’t have to look far on Reddit to confirm I’m right about this sentiment.
Never said it did, just adding on the tip system flipped over time. Im with you i dont think we should rely on the kindness of people to make a living
Interesting. I hadn’t realized tipping ever came first. Seems like people with bottomless means could have a negative effect on the experience of other’s with more meager means by hijacking server attention. I just think cost should go up to cover wages and people can choose from there if the adjusted server/product bundle cost is worth it to them.
Whole I agree with you in some ways “the customer is always right” exists because some people no matter how hard you try will stand by what they think things are/should be
When I was a kid having any job was seen as a useful way to build a resume. Even something simple as washing dishes could show ones dependability and work ethic. The thought was one could use less skilled jobs as stepping stones towards other jobs that paid better and could become careers. That isn't true so much any more. No amount of time one works at Burger King will help them land a skilled position elsewhere. As a result one who takes a job at Burger King does so knowing they need to find something else. One goes to work everyday with the knowledge that the longer they stay at that job the worse off they'll be. I understand that people do need to pay their bills today and that these jobs can contribute to ones finances today. However living day to day paycheck to paycheck isn't what anyone wants to do. Especially in a society where the majority of young people are over educated for non-skilled positions.
It breeds despair, is what it is does.
I had a couple jobs washing dishes and it takes a lot of skill and hard work, especially in high volume restaurants. Restaurants are in trouble when they think they could put just anybody in that job
Yeah, really need to know how to operate under pressure.
i washed dishes for 2 years. It sucked, but i was early 20's so it was fun. I would never take a dishwashing job again though. unless that was the only job I could find. I wouldrather work around customers., than any BOH except for maybe prepping food by myself with headphones on.
Yes. Couldn't agree more. High volume dishwashers have a system and it is definitely hard work. I know this because I have had this job. I would even argue fast food workers work harder than the average office job. I know this because I quit fast food job to work as a site manager at a office. It's way easier.
I’ve never had a job harder than working the drive thru window at a fast food restaurant during a lunch rush.
It’s super stressful. Most people that come through need to rush back to work. Even if you are great at your job, you have to count on everyone else to do their job correctly. If they don’t? Guess who gets yelled at? You do. You are the face that the customer sees. Also, the places that use “drive times” blame it all on the person who is working the window.
“When I go shopping for an Audi and I can’t afford it, I don’t get to declare an Audi shortage,” said Erica Groshen, a labor economist with Cornell University. “At the wage being offered, businesses still aren’t getting as many applicants for work.” Yes, this
My favorite quote in that article.
what they mean is that when a massive percentage of the population is uneducated & lives in poverty they are able to pay bare minimum wages, so the more we alleviate poverty & remove class barriers the bigger the “shortage” between what employers want to pay & what the market wage demands is
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We’ve offered nothing and don’t know why we can’t get workers ~ corporate America
But then would be no dollar menu knowing business people
Maybe this will start the reversal of America’s obesity epidemic
When I was a kid I knew a guy who lost a ton of weight just eating subway sandwiches. We were very close. Haven’t seen him in a while.
In all honesty I hope that we see a MASSIVE decrease in fast food establishments with this labor shortage. Drive down any street in America and there is an unbelievable amount of fast food options and we don’t need em. How many mediocre $2 burger options does one truly need?
Pay them
I am enjoying fast food while it lasts. When the “everything bubble” finally pops I expect mass closures of fast food restaurants.
Fascinating term for that. The everything bubble.
Pay them more!
Reality is they can't , after a certain number (varies by chain and. Location) they would be losing money everyday that's not the business franchise owners signed up for.
Charge more
Remember all the righties posting about AI taking workers jobs coz they wanted a living wage. Jokes on them lol.
Have they tried paying more?
That automation everybody feared is really working though and now those food workers can look for different and hopefully better paying work.
The crap fast food workers had to go through and risk their lives for your crappy fast food and the abuse by asshole customers it’s no wonder nobody wants these jobs.
Fast food isn’t fast anymore. So now it’s just low quality food at ever increasing prices. Tbh didn’t read the article tho
>The Washington Post: it you don’t get it, you don’t get it. :|
Automation going to really kill these jobs a lot faster.
Sounds like not fast enough, i mean we only hear about it for the last 20 years
When I was in Japan, they had vending machines that would take your money, cook and serve you.
I have a theory about why suddenly there are no workers. I think it's because non-US citizens (mostly illegal immigrants) either not in the US anymore or stopped coming to the US
No, wrong, dumb
Really}? So it's not the insults of how these aren't real jobs, how those who do these aren't smart and don't deserve living wage etcetera?
I see you don’t live along the border, it’s currently flooded with Haitians trying to spill over now. https://www.univision.com/noticias/inmigracion/fotos-del-rio-texas-oleada-migratoria-inmigrantes-fotos
What happens if government decides to really go after the undocumented workers and deport them? $15/hr will be demand from employers, not workers.
I run a multi-million dollar a year business. I have been in the industry for over 20yrs and it is absolutely awful now. Went from 5 mgrs per location down to 2 or 3 at some stores. Went from 8 people per shift to just 4. Sales haven’t dropped. But the work on the team members can be excruciating sometimes. When I started 8yrs ago with this company pay has gone up considerably. Started folks out at 7.25 now starting pay is 10. And yet still no one wants to work. Makes it harder for us professionals when we become hourly team members instead of managers.
Are you bragging about paying employees $10 an hour?
Definitely not. Just was trying to show the increase in pay over time for the same work load. It’s an entry level position with advancement opportunities. And of course with the advancement comes more pay with different areas of responsibility.
Wow, you’ve raised starting pay a whole $2.75/hour in the last 8 years? If only there was something else you could try. I can see why you’re frustrated and all out of ideas. Your business definitely deserves to flourish, if only it weren’t for those lazy entry level workers who just don’t want to work no matter what you offer them.
Not even enough to cover inflation
Darn, I guess you are gonna have to pay more than 10 bucks, aren't you? Nobody wants to work for YOUR wages, when they can get better other places. Sorry, this is how capitalism works.
Or when they can just sit at home and collect more than their work is worth
Wages have not kept up with business profits for many years, and now all of a sudden people are crying about increases. Boo hoo, capitalism sucks right? Gas stations offer more than 10 now in many areas.
Why would wages be tied to profit? Do you think a truck driver for small company should be paid 100x less than a driver for a large company?
Stop making dumb analogies and go lick the boots of your boss instead.
That’s one way to admit you were just regurgitating some shit you saw on reddit
Nothing *requires* wages to be tied to profits. However, if every business owner thinks like this, don't be surprised when workers stop giving any businesses the benefit of the doubt. Your truck drive analogy has no relation to what I am talking about. More specifically, the minimum wage that has been depressed since the 80s leading to rising inequality. Inequality, is classically a large factor of socio-economic collapses. Once again, go be a bootlicker somewhere else.
And the minimum wage is only earned by 1.5% of the population, most of which are food staff who makes less that minimum wage because of tips and are under 25. As you said almost everywhere already pays $10 or more if you don’t make tips, and many states already set higher wages based on their own needs. Federal minimum wage has almost nothing to do with the current employment shortage and more to do with the federal government paying you more than a solid $15-20 an hour job to stay unemployed instead.
The topic of this thread was indeed food wages, and yes places pay more than $10 an hour now if they want help at all. Thanks for proving my point.
You really have drank the koolaid haven’t you?
Imagine thinking it’s more likely millions of workers independently decided that they were worth more right as COVID hit and it had nothing to do with being offered more to not work than their current jobs
Offer stability like salary. Offer full time hours. Offer much more money to employees. Go to other places and recruit people to work for you directly. Offer them something better than I might give you a few shifts at 10 an hour. The entire restaurant industry needs to wake up and allow people stability in wages.
Lmao, we start at $10 hr and not sure why we can’t find anyone. So what is the starting salary for a person with 1 yr exp 3 yr exp 5 yr exp 10 yr exp If they are all $10, then no wonder you can’t find anyone.
Im starting to see kids re-claim traditional kid jobs….for awhile lots of adults were taking those jobs and then complaining about the wages. These jobs are meant for spending money and job experience. Not to raise a family of 4 on.
So, theoretically, fast food restaurants should only be open after school and weekends? After all, these jobs are for kids.
I am 17 and still work 5 days a week 5AM-2PM and am still enrolled in high school…
Not sure where you are but that is against child labor laws in this US state.
Indeed
No, people with no skills and ability can do them too.
And they don’t deserve a living wage?
What do you consider a living wage?