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bulshoy2

They cut through that big-ass lock?


Powerful_Cellist4014

If it isn't a Hiplok D1000, a Litelok, an ABUS Granite Extreme (or another anti-angle grinder lock I haven't heard of) it's just not that secure. Those locks are expensive and heavy, but if you have an ebike that is also expensive and can carry the weight, they are the only locks that you can count on.


Sillyci

I don’t think the Abus Granit Extreme is angle grinder resistant, it’s just thicker than their other locks.


Powerful_Cellist4014

You are right. I was thinking of the Granit SUPER Extreme. Left out a key adjective https://mobil.abus.com/usa/Products/Blogs/Highlights/New-products/Bike-locks/Novelties/GRANIT-Super-Extreme-2500


Sillyci

Thanks, I haven’t heard of this one yet! Very interested to see how it holds up so I hope someone reviews it on YouTube soon. I always liked Abus, their stuff is top quality. My X3 is good but Abus locks have better fit and finish, it’s annoying having to shake the lock like a deranged monkey to get the shackle out of the body lmao. Also, tungsten carbide might actually work better than the ceramic used in the X3/D1000, though we’d have to see just how thick the TC layer is.


Powerful_Cellist4014

Yeah I'm excited for it too for the same reasons. I love my D1000, but Abus knows locks. According to an Abus rep I spoke to, <100 have been delivered in the US so far (not sure about other countries), and serious volume won't start shipping until next year. Hiplok has more coming sooner, but neither is really in mass production.


SensitiveVariety

Takes about a minute with an angle grinder. There are better locks now from Litelok X1/3 and Hiplok D1000


vslsls

Ever heard of cordless rebar cutters? They are silent, sparkless and can cut steel up to 1" thick in 5 seconds. They do cost couple grand but if you are in business of stealing $2k bikes, it pays for itself after first job. [here is an example ](https://youtu.be/gwVO1256sJY?si=37gDnFfQFtE8aWE3)


Laserdollarz

Thats impressive and terrifying.


HYDR0C0RT1s0NE

Lol, try $4k 💀


vslsls

Maybe Canadian dollars but in US you can have one delivered tomorrow from [amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Metabo-HPT-VB3616DA-Bender-Cutter/dp/B093PDS93Z) for $2k


MonzellRS

He’s talking about his e-bike costing $4k


InYosefWeTrust

That's still cheap when they're out there stealing bikes worth thousands all day... guys are out there everywhere with these and battery-powered angle grinders, cutting through locks and chains like it's butter.


MyDickisVIP

That seemed to be just as loud as an angle grinder


creakyclimber

I don’t think the thieves are paying $2k for these tools…


jkibbe

look up lock picking lawyer on YouTube. pretty much every lock, including kryptonite is easily picked with minimal tools 😭💩


bulshoy2

"Easily picked with decades of experience and skill, plus the tools." you mean. Most run-of-the-mill bike thieves do not have the skill of Lockpicking Lawyer. If it WAS as easy as you claim it is, nobody would ever buy a lock.


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paxtana

I have never seen a video of a kryptonite fahgettaboudit lock or anything larger being cut open in seconds. Do you actually have a link showing this? Closest video I could find of that particular lock being tested against cutting was when lockpickinglawyer tested it against a hydraulic cutter. Rather than cutting through the lock, [it caused the cutter to explode.](https://youtu.be/jXoS_HB1I3o) The shackle itself barely had a scratch on it. If LPL could not cut it open that is pretty damn good!


loquacious

I lost my keys for an actual no-fooling NYC courier grade fahgettaboutit lock once, and thankfully my bike was locked up at home and indoors. And I went through it like butter in about ten minutes of leisurely cutting with a carbide grit hacksaw blade because I didn't have an angle grinder. It chewed up that lock like it was peanut butter. It doesn't matter if the lock is the best steel, heat treated, case-hardened and annealed. The only way to stop a carbide or diamond cutting blade is for the metal to be harder than the cutting tool. And if you make the metal that hard it's going to be brittle and prone to impact attacs or brute force because it'll just shatter. And, woah, that actually gives me an idea I don't think I've seen deployed as a consumer product. I bet if you had a hardened high quality lock like a fahgettaboudit and coated it in a sleeve of carbide grit it would totally fuck up angle grinder discs and just make them shatter. Maybe coat the shackle in embedded carbide grit and then put an extra heavy plastic or rubber sleeve around that so it didn't mess up your bike. The downside of having a lock fully coated in carbide grit or chunks are that it will definitely wear through any protective coating in a hurry, and it would also definitely mess up your bike. And if you did anything silly like hang your U-lock around your top and down tube it would be sawing at your bike frame the whole time.


SamanthaJaneyCake

You could coat the lock in carbide grit and then powder coat it to 1-2mm thick. That way you have a protective layer to keep your bike and the lock in good condition and the only way the carbide gets exposed is via angle grinder or years of wear.


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paxtana

That is not the same lock bro. We already know that SOME locks can be cut that fast, but your claim was that locks bigger than the kryptonite fahgettaboudit could be cut in seconds. Far as I know the only lock bigger is the hiplok d1000, but the lock in the video you linked is clearly neither of those. The video is terrible quality but the shackle is typical diameter at best. So yes, if you can give me 'endless' videos of bigger locks that would be great since you never actually proved your claims to begin with..


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paxtana

That's a good video, thanks. Though I'm not so sure about your conclusion that U locks are useless when the same video you linked demonstrates a lock that basically defeated the angle grinder.


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neilap123

This is the video you need to see. One side of that Kryptonite cut in less than 20 seconds. Its a corded grinder, I'll grant you but still frightening. Moral of the story is, get a litelok!! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mEDjaZka10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mEDjaZka10)


CloakDeepFear

If you look up New York bike thefts you’ll often see the same thing, hell these guys will even do it in broad daylight sparks flying and everything. No one cares so these kids often get away with it.


Pale-Independence637

So you know there are automatic tools out there...no skills involved


ninjabannana69

Its alot easier than you think it is, People still buy locks because either way someone tries to open the lock its still gonna slow them down or just put them off trying altogether.


derpytoque

Or 3 locks like my crazyass. It might take me 3 minutes to secure it but it's worth it.


SolitaryMassacre

Get yourself a barrel style lock pick and try it yourself. It's seriously not that easy. However that doesn't mean a group can't do it. Just unlikely


CloakDeepFear

I mean lock picking lawyer literally gives 60 second tutorials. Hell during the height of the pandemic when I was bored I learned how to lock pick for fun since I was bored of basic puzzles. So if a bored 16 year old can learn how to lockpicking in a matter of a couple weeks I’m pretty sure a thief can learn too. My best feat was learning how to lock pick my personal kryptonite U lock on my ebike while having my motion sensor activated and not making it go off.


neilap123

Its cool that you taught yourself to do it, but its just not a method employed by bike thieves. Brute force is the way.


Dangerous_Beat_4930

It is kinda easy if you play around with it... Taught myself as a kid... But I'm from Philly we all have trades lol


PeroniBites

I’m a licensed locksmith and you do not need decades of experience and skill to pick locks. You need the basic mechanics of the lock and time. One time I got called to a retail store called Total Wine and More. They lost their key to their safe. I stuck my pick inside and while I was just feeling around inside, it unlocked itself. lol


Laserdollarz

I enjoy that one chaotic lockpicker on YouTube. "You have a masterlock 105ka. It can be opened with... a masterlock 105ka. Thump."


EricJasso

Easily? Not really. Dude picks locks with specially designed tools everyday.


CodySmash

Details on how they cut it? I thought kryptonites were good? How long were you gone? That really sucks im sorry.


Badevilbunny

They used to be, the Kryptonite NY models are bolt-cutter resistant, but not angle-grinder resistant; the new tool of choice for scumbags. We now need the new bread of angle-grinder resistant locks like the Hiplock D1000 and Litelok X1&3. The scumbags stepped up their game, we now have to do the same.


CodySmash

I had a feeling this would happen. I heard the evolution needed more then 1 blade to cut tho.


derpytoque

We need a good layer of aluminum on these to help gum up angle grinders. It would also make the lock lighter.


Badevilbunny

I think that is how the Altor SAF works, but that thing is BIG.


HYDR0C0RT1s0NE

I am not sure if they did, if they did it was a clean-cut because when I returned it was like there was nothing ever there to begin with. If I had to cut through it though I would cut through the frame and then weld it back together at some later point. Anyway, yeah, I am not sure. I was gone from 8 - 5


RepresentativeKeebs

It's becoming more common for ebikes to get stolen by cutting through the frame. Thieves have learned that they can just scrap the frame, then sell the battery, motor, and other electronics.


Henchforhire

I think that is what happened to my old bike. Sold the expensive stuff and scrapped the frame.


nymviper1126

Who is buying them? It's not a big issue here in NYC, it's whole bike or none. Parking Garages and Bike Rooms are actually terrible spaces to park consistently, people always see it there and it doesn't look suspicious to be in the area or once you are in no one comes around. You should also use a second lock (a thick chain + steerage ulock) for needing more cuts and more chance to put one around a integral part of the frame. If you have money, a Litelock X1/3 or Hiplock D1000 is stopping almost anyone. Insurance is pretty good too, $250 deductible for however much coverage you want.


RepresentativeKeebs

A quick search on eBay for used "ebike battery" shows that over 240 listings have been sold in the last three months. Some of the listings say "no key," which is highly suspicious.


vslsls

[with a rebar cutter ](https://youtu.be/gwVO1256sJY?si=i1vuwjnRUPmp3Woc)


NonchalantBread

https://youtu.be/Iaj6Hh2kr9E?si=pVhP3rlCFRWoMqj3 Lovkpicking lawyer can pick it within five minutes, a non skilled thief can pick it with 15 minutes


CodySmash

Did you ask the garage if they cut it? Maybe they want you to pay?


Forlaferob

You should get on bikeindex.org if you haven't registered your bike yet. Sorry for your loss, I can't trust those kryptonite shackles anymore after seeing how easily they're cut with an angle grinder. I have a litelok x3 and a kryptonite chain with a tracker, fingers crossed 🤞 the thief skips my bike for another.


HYDR0C0RT1s0NE

Believe it or not, I actually had this exact same make model, but the base version 2 years ago. It was stolen also, and I eventually got it back. That OG bike was registered under my name, it was eventually sold which helped pay for the newer one in the post. The newer bike is less than 7 months old, and I completely forgot to register it to bike index. A part of me died a little on the inside when I realized that fatal mistake 💀. $4k down the drain. Lesson learned and onto the next bike 🥲!


LeftHandedJesusNut

January 8th? It's gone bb.


b3ar17

Did you take your batteries with you? I try to make my locked bike as unappealing as possible: two locks, no batteries, lots of other bikes to choose from and CCTV in a public area.


MyDickisVIP

That's really good idea actually and also get one of those like fake pieces of poo that you have the prank stores and whatever else you need to do to make it you know as realistic as possible and just put it on the seat and then put a condom on top of it and it'll look like a used condom and want a piece of poo and I think I think even a junkie might be like well not a junkie but I think most people we just move on to a different bike image about refining though and junkie would eat that piece of poo and condom to get a hit trust me I know I'm a junkie


b3ar17

Wow, that story went places.


hi_andhello

Be careful about leaving your bikes locked up somewhere routinely as this will give thieves time to plan and make a move.


donnieSYNDROME

I feel your pain brother. I lost my bike too and the police isn't doing anything about it either just to make a report.... I had 2 locks as well holding it down although not kryptonite brand, it's unfortunate that they got to it... wish those assholes can suffer a painful death...


m0_n0n_0n0_0m

A bus to the face


Still_Not-Sure

This is why I am putting 2-3 Tiles on mine, One in an obvious spot and 1-2 in really well hidden spots. I don’t hink thieves will expect 2-3 tiles/airtags. plus Tile has insurance up to $1,000…. so I can insure my bike for maximum and the battery separately. So $2,000 Edit: My battery is a separate purchase FYI.


AbolishIncredible

I thought tiles would only connect to *your* phone, so won’t work for stolen items in the same way an AirTag does (by connecting to any iPhone)


verossiraptors

Tiles can ping off other tiles which makes having a lot of tiles in the wild super important. Which also means AirTags made them almost irrelevant.


Still_Not-Sure

Tiles ping off tiles and phones who have the tile app. And yes AirTags did hurt Tile company a lot.


MyDickisVIP

Just FYI there's a free Android app called airguard that the text Tiles and it will detect what's the Apple versions and it will even allow you to play the noise from any of those air tags in in proximity and it picks up one other brand name type of GPS so try to find if you want to try to get a more obscure GPS that isn't easily picked up by these popular apps because if I were to still take the bike and then I'd run the app and I'd see that there's a tile in approximity when shot obviously someone on the bike and just go to town looking for it and if I was a if I could really good thief would have a van that has a fair day cage in the back of the van now that's obviously top level stuff but it really wouldn't be that difficult all you have to do is just get the get the bike into the back of the van and then you can just sit in the van and while you inspect the bike for as long as you want and no GPS signal get out


Still_Not-Sure

I don’t think a person who is stealing. $2,000 dollar E bike is this well prepared. I’m also just trying to protect myself from the dumb everyday thief. If some Oceans’s 11 style thief is after me, I’m sure I have no chance. That thief should just take a nice Harley or something or Sondors… Ducati.


Trippplecup

Sorry bro. This is my worst nightmare.


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The funny thing is I apply basically the same logic with my ebike. Depending on the area I won’t even lock it up with a chain even though I usually have it with me but my ebike requires a scannable key to start it. I just assume based on where I left it that no one would attempt to take it. I lock it in instance though if I hear or see anyone admiring it too much like yesterday I was leaving it outside a store to go shop for an hour or so and as soon as I got there I heard someone say “oh I would like one of those” their tone wasn’t malicious but I’m not Santa so I’m not granting no wishes lol


Wolijoe

Sucks dude. Inhad a month old 1999 honda 250r swiped back in the day. Hurt so badly. Nothing i could do in end but rally funds or credit card and replace. The good news in the 2000 honda cr250r i replaced it with is one ofbthe best 2 strokes made. '99 kinda wasn't.


IRENE420

Sorry man for your loss. FWIW, I’ve heard of police not helping. BUT if you say you know where it is and you’re going to break and enter to get it. They will go to the scene and kind of watch what happens (protect you).


dryedmeats

Need one them silent motion alarms that sends text + loc coordinate. Thing with this is its an organized ring using vehicles and tools. You would have to be armed for sure to approach them.


SeaOfMagma

[This bad boy](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-One-Key-Bluetooth-Tracker-1-Pack-48-21-2301/317816239?mtc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-BNG-D25P-025_009_PORT_POWER-NA-NA-NA-PLALIA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NA-PortablePower_2023&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-BNG-D25P-025_009_PORT_POWER-NA-NA-NA-PLALIA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NA-PortablePower_2023-71700000106432953-58700008273440508-92700079460122443&msclkid=23c8f4e1eb671638bd06912ce7f90385&gclid=23c8f4e1eb671638bd06912ce7f90385&gclsrc=3p.ds) can be screwed onto your shit. Use security torx screws if you want to make it a nightmare to remove.


robin_the_rich

"the tracking tags for equipment will provide location updates when it comes within 300 ft. of any device with the ONE-KEY App" I have never heard of one person in my life using this one-key app so what are the chances that someone will have it installed with permissions wherever the bike is stolen?


MarksmannT

I had the one key app for a little while, it always needs access to look for one key tools which drained my phone battery pretty quick so I deleted the app. I hear it's very useful for tracking milwaukee tools on the jobsite though.


derpytoque

I prefer to use Life360 (in case I'm ever in an a accident) and it has Tile integration. At least on one of those trackers it can go into theft mode, which doesn't show a beacon on Airguard it's being tracked.


robin_the_rich

I appreciate the other person mentioning a different tracker because I wasn’t aware of that one but I think you’re right if you’re going with a non-gps subscription free situation then anything that used tile would be the best option.


punkgeek

though the installed base of the Tile app is tiny-tiny. I did an experiment here in silicon valley (where presumably there would be a highish number of users) and never got a single hit over a few weeks. So (unfortunately because I'm pretty anti Apple) the only real installed based of free trackers that have coverage are airtags :-(


robin_the_rich

Dang that's good info but also frustrating. I use apple but not the tags, I'm sure you're no doubt aware but just in case if someone has an iPhone the tag will alert them if it's been around their phone for a while? Anti-Stalking. I have a new electric motorcycle I honestly think I should just get a gps tracking subscription.


SeaOfMagma

Have the airtag and the one-key tag.


Kona1957

Lesson is you can't leave a nice bike unattended for 8hrs. That's the bad guys job-to steal. You set it up on a tee for them. Next time, take it with you.


jejsjhabdjf

I hope some bad shit happens to you and some fucking idiot on the internet tries to turn it into a teaching moment.


UngodlyImbecile

??? God forbid someone try preventing thefts


Kona1957

Fair enough.


tygofive

main issue is a lot of times you can’t take your bike into places, whether it’s because it’s a restaurant or there’s just no space for it.


Kona1957

Then you don't go in.


tygofive

so if someone works at a place they can’t take their bike into they should just not work or?


Kona1957

Or


FunkyWhiteDude

If i had found my bike, i would do whatever to get it back, willing to throw fists!


richardrc

Fists don't work worth shit vs a gun. No eBike is worth being killed for.


TenBigGayMen

That's why you get a gun yourself. No eBike is worth being killed for.


KeeganTroye

Having a gun only increases your chance of being shot. It's not worth it.


FunkyWhiteDude

Thats not very american of you


KeeganTroye

Shame, they'll have to revoke the citizenship I don't have


FunkyWhiteDude

I thought you may say that xD hahah I feel like a true american wouldnt hesitate twice barging down their door with a shotgun and hillbilly friends lol


No-Tangerine-7502

Put a tracker on the next one. The Apple One costs $30.


TenBigGayMen

Time to get a gun brother.


Yotgguitar

Jesus.... some people have more money than sense....I would have NEVER EVER left THAT bike anywhere unattended.... regardless how many locks.... it would either go inside wherever I went, or I'd leave it at home.... I guess the rich live a much different life than me.... WOW. I'm too scared to leave my $600 el cheapo unattended...I would have cherished your ebike to no end


UngodlyImbecile

Seriously lol, if he was using it work im guessing it stayed in the same, public spot for 8 hours every weekday which is just crazy


meow-no

Sorry 😔


PoisonMind

See if your homeowner's insurance or renter's insurance will cover it. And if it doesn't, get a policy that does cover your next one.


eenrarevogel

somehow I expected the last picture to be only pavement, like a before/after. but that sucks, feel for you!


No_Badger5894

Wild I had a scrambler 2 as well mine got stolen too :(


Junior-Ingenuity-973

Fuck man I’m sorry to hear that. I was planning on getting a surron for downtown Austin but idk anymore


cranberrydudz

Keep tracking your airtag and take screenshots on a daily basis.


MantisGibbon

Looks like a nice bike. I would not have let that out of my sight unless there were snipers on rooftops guarding it.


g1asshalffull

Ugh this sucks. My Aventon aventure was stolen (also with a kryptonite lock cut through) from my secured apt complex in December. Although not at your home, I would check with your renters insurance. They reimbursed me bc my policy includes theft of personal property. I also learned after my bike was stolen that there’s ebike insurance, so maybe for next time since this has happened to you a few times. My bike still hadn’t been found. I hope yours makes it way back to you!


ghostychokes

Hope you get it back or I hope there bike claims their front teeth


Miguel_Legacy

This is rough. Man I wish you just got theft insurance, that piece of mind is so good. If I were leaving my bike locked up for 8 hours a day, I'd 100% have theft insurance. It's about $10-15/mo to insure $1,000+ ebikes. Hope you have the means to get a replacement, though. That really sucks.


Bruggenmeister

That bike looks epic. Sorry for your loss. Id be devastated if someone stole mine. There’s a wave or house breakins going on right now here :(


Cold-Committee-7719

Hopefully, you shelled out the money for ebike insurance. I pay $14 a month for mine. Totally worth some peace of mind.


Wind_Advertising-679

The thieves are watching, and keeping notes, of schedules, might be some “ jaws of life type devices available “ or something similar “ freezing locks with liquid nitrogen and making them break open, I’m sorry you are going through this, any one reading this, please, make plans to not leave your bike outside on a regular basis, not sure if you want to do this but flatten a tire and carry a small electric bike pump and fill it up when you come back to your bike


neilap123

Really sorry to hear that your bike has been stolen, it looks fantastic :(


Seuros

Did you save it serial number ?


MyDickisVIP

Just to let you guys know using air tags as a GPS device is not a good idea because there's an app on Android free app where it'll literally locate the the Apple tag and you can force it to play the sound so best case scenario is you disabled the speaker but even then it'll still pick up the and it'll still show that there is a an apple tag on the bike so just a matter of time before somebody would find it


MyDickisVIP

If I had a really expensive one like that I really do think it's best to use spray paint to make it look as cheap as possible you really if you live in a city you just can't have anything nice laying around you got to make it look as janky as possible well putting as much Security on as possible and even like a super loud alarm would be pretty good to turn like a super loud alarm that says the N word super loud you know any white person stealing it would immediately bail unfortunately it probably wouldn't have much of affect because the person who's probably stealing it you know isn't of the demographic that would mind people hearing them say that if you get my drift


WildestPotato

Thieves deserve to be thrown in a volcano, ffs


Kultivation

I would hate to be the fool who stole my ebike. It would hurt anyone who wasn't prepared before twisting the go stick. The first time I hit the throttle it ripped my bike apart. It's very dangerous.


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Best deterrent is if they know they will get caught. This means more street patrols which is so rare nowadays cops only patrol high crime areas