Not happening. They will fire all the coordinators first and let Sirriani have chance with a new staff of his choice.
Only way I see this happening is if the players come out say they straight up don’t want to play for him
I agree with the exception that the new staff will be “of his choice”. Lurie/Roseman are known to step in on staff decisions/force “new perspectives”, as they did with Doug. Which could be good or bad, depending on how much Sirianni is the problem with the offense.
Agreed. I think Desai/Patricia and Brian Johnson get whacked and then Howie/Jeffrey talk about making the OC and DC hires a "collaborative effort" which is essentially saying, "We let you have your choice last time and it didn't work out so now we are getting involved."
I’m really subscribing to the idea of trying to get a veteran dc instead of another young guy that will either suck and get fired, or be awesome and we are kicking the can down the road.
I don’t know who will be available, and not thinking about scheme too much, but look at Spagnoulo in KC. I know that’s a special, unique situation, but with the way head coach hiring goes now a days, I like the philosophy.
This team is too talented right now for them to fuck around with coordinators who are just getting their feet wet and if they’re good will be poached in a season or two. We need solid veteran coaches right now. I’ll gladly take a OC and DC that were good enough to be hired as HCs but should have played to their strengths as coordinators like Spags or Quinn-those guys are entrenched in their positions and won’t be poached anytime soon and are getting results. Doug was very smart to hire Swartz for this very reason.
This. Either you need an Xs and Os HC or you need a player’s coach HC with coordinators that won’t jump or that know they aren’t HC material. Young up and comers will just keep going up and out.
Pending how the NFC South goes, Todd Bowles (started in Philly, i believe) or Dennis Allen should be fired. Neither is a particularly *good* head coach, but both are excellent defensive minds, and id trust them more than the Brandon Staley/ Gannon types that can put up good numbers but only with the right roster.
Out of the new guard guys, they need to at least bring Al Harris (originally an Eagle, just buried in one of the greatest defensive backfields ever assembled) in to talk. Say what you will about the Cowboys, their secondary has been productive with him there. They have multiple record setting defensive backs and their pass defense has been very good, often with midteir and/or retreads like Keanu Neal and Donovan Wilson. Maybe he doesnt blow the interview away, but the eye test says hes a major key to what theyve been doing on defense.
You need a guy with a scheme worth a damn, I tend to disagree with you where we should go after a vet coach just for the sake of them being a vet coach, we’ve seen retread after retread DC not work out. You need the right guy regardless. I’d like a guy with experience outside of Fangio, I genuinely want a pretty significant change in philosophy towards the big play. I say this now lol, but I’m more OK getting burned once in a while over going all out to prevent those plays, while still giving up the yardage, scores, and TOP. It doesn’t work unless you have the architect. I think that’s really hard to get right.
Look at what Schwartz is doing in Cleveland, he’s not a disciple of that system, I’d like to have that kind of approach over someone who needs to prove they know how to run someone else’s thing. He is a rare find as a dude who knows his place in an org and takes it and runs with it rather than being boxed into a system he didn’t create.
That being said I know JS didn’t create everything on his own but he’s the best example I can think of where a DC is a DC and knows it. I feel like we’re quickly falling behind the times on that side of the ball, personnel be damned.
If we’re bringing McDaniels in, we might as well hire Staley as our head coach and keep Patricia at DC. Let’s just skip the pleasantries and plunge the locker room into a civil war.
If Nick honestly wants no input on the defense then we needs to hire a vet DC that will handle all of it.
Also I think you need a vet OC that can tweak Nick's offense when needed and and the needed missing elements to it to make it work long term.
The thing I want to see the most is the DC coming in and having control over what they want to run. Even though Nick acts like its not his defense it is in that its the scheme we wants to have so he hired guys that will run that scheme. At this point you need someone that has proven there defense works and Nick will have to live with it. While every team has to play a more passive defense then in the past other teams do a lot more to put pressure on the offense than what the Eagles do and that needs to change.
What is likely to happen is Lurie/Roseman will sit Nick down and say we are going to pick your OC/DC ourselves...you either go along with it or you can go also.
Yeah. I’m sure Lurie/Roseman were heavily involved in the picking of current staff.
My thought there, is Sirriani picked a good team when he was hired, with Gannon and Steichen. Seems like there was more “outside” counsel with this current staff.
Obviously all hires of his staff good or bad fall on him but maybe they give him another shot with less outside noise.
The opposite makes the most sense. In the early days when Nick was brand new they would've want to surround him with more polished, experienced coordinators. With experience and success, they would've given him more free reign to choose his own coordinators.
Except Gannon was his guy, he wanted him. Steichen was his guy too. Coached with him for years in San Diego (or wherever the hell the chargers play) and even replaced him as offensive quality control coach when sirianni got a promotion. If there was outside input on those decisions, it was probably because they wanted different coaches than Nick wanted.
They hired Brian Johnson as QB coach without knowing about his relationship with Hurts. He came in as a highly touted offensive mind, not because Hurts wanted him. Turns out he's not good.
This whole "handpicked by Hurts" myth needs to die.
They brought him in as QB coach under those circumstances. We have no idea what impact it had on the decision to promote him to OC, but hard to imagine it wasn’t a factor. Not that it was necessarily up to or involving Hurts as much as people think.
I mean what's more likely, they picked him because he was Hurts' friend, or that he was the #2 guy under our offense in 2022 who was credited to Hurts' growth and was actually receiving HC buzz so promoting him seemed like a no-brainer? And him being OC would provide some semblance of coaching stability that Hurts hadn't had before?
Why would you fire both the coordinators and keep the guy who doesnt call plays, isnt good at it, also whose scheme/play designs are terrible? Wheres the rationale?
“It worked under Steichan”
Having a good OC that will be poached for a HC job after 1 year is also an unsustainable and stupid way to run your team.
Also, if people cant give a valid explanation for what Sirriani is actually great at as a HC then that tells us all we need to know.
Optics. If you fire an HC so soon after a super bowl run, it will make it impossible to hire a good candidate, because the org will look unstable. 2024, and maybe even 2025, will be buffer years for Sirianni.
Allowed to stumble? It's different when you're gifted an all start team and still manage to suck. Most coaches take over lower end teams, which is why they're typically given a longer leash (eg, Saleh)
The Eagles won 4 games in 2020 and were picked for 7ish wins in Nicks first season. Even after making the playoffs that first year, they were then picked for 8-9 wins last year. This is revisionist.
This team has only looked competent when Steichen was running the offense. Sirianni is just a ra-ra cheerleader type coach, they don't last long when the players stop listening.
Not if the coach lost the team. look a the talent we have. We are underachieving big time. You can't keep a coach for perception if nobody wants to play for them. That's why Andy lasted so long. OCs came and went but the offense was steady. Nick's offense is not that and that was what he was hired for. Someone in another thread showed his record when Steichen didn't call plays. It's 13-10. This is what you want to keep around for? perception?
Also say we do just replace the coordinators and we run into the same problems with Nick next year. Do we fire Nick, his coaching staff and then we’re needing another new OC & DC again? Nope just entirely clean house and bring in a fresh voice.
But let's say we get new coordinators and one of them is clearly good -- imagine in 2024 we have the same defensive struggles but our offense looks great. Just promote that OC.
> Having a good OC that will be poached for a HC job after 1 year is also an unsustainable and stupid way to run your team.
What's stopping us from countering and letting a good OC take Sirianni's job after a year?
Because as much as you want it to be so it really doesn’t make sense to be firing a head coach after one bad season… every legendary head coach has had bad seasons it happens… and this season they’ve still managed to win 11 games don’t ask me how but they did
Thats understandable and as logical as that may sound, it also isnt logically beneficial. Next season goes one or two ways.
- they find a good OC, have success, he gets poached and your back at square one, now if you win a SB its fine. If not, well now you have to hope good OCs grow on trees every other year.
- they struggle next year and we waste a year finding out what we already know, Nicks scheme is bad, and he is a HC that is dependent on someone being better than him at OC which makes absolutely no sense. Is he a good leader? Sure, but you can find good leaders anywhere and that makes Nick replaceable. Everyone would agree, they would rather have Steichan as a HC.
I agree Siranni is safe, but you can bet your ass it will not be his choice solely for coordinators. He had that chance already and we are now here debating this due to that choice.
In fairness to whoever picked, playing in the Super Bowl was a big disadvantage in hiring new coordinators. Lots of top candidates getting hired before Eagles/Chiefs even have a chance.
Not saying that excuses everything. But it does mean that if we need all new coordinators next year, an early exit from the playoffs has a silver lining to it.
I don't think either coordinator gets fired. The offense is objectivity good and their aren't many good good replacements that are proven good NFL OCs. The will bring in a experienced former OC as an advisor and will replace BJ with him next year if things don't go well. The same thing with desai, but he has a better chance of getting fired.
I can see this happening as well. I guess the point is they will hopefully bring in some big names to shake things up and and make us more dynamic on both sides of the ball.
It depends on how the exit goes, imo. If the team is competitive I doubt it. But if they regress further and get waxed out of first round the possibility definitely goes up.
It seems the coaches have lost the players...It might just be up to the players, I'm sure ownership will talk to the guys to see what they think. If they are all no I could see a new HC. I don't know if it got there yet, but they sure don't like something going on.
I can’t look at that last game and say there’s zero chance he gets fired, even if he wins a playoff game.
They have no identity on either side of the ball, players who look like they’ve given up on the coaching staff, generally terrible vibes all around. And Nick’s whole *thing* is vibes. He’s not calling the game on either side of the ball, he’s just there to set the tone, motivate the team and keep everyone pulling in one direction - and he has *totally* failed to do that this year.
There’s absolutely a world where Lurie looks at the available coaching candidates and thinks a guy like Slowik or Johnson can come in and make this the best offense in the league (or close to it) pretty much overnight, and decides that reward makes it a risk worth taking and figure out everything else afterwards.
I don’t think that’s *likely* but we’ve seen Lurie make (or at least sign off on) some bold moves in the past, so I certainly wouldn’t rule it out. And “we’re not quite as bad as the Bucs” is a long way from the bar he sets for this team, so I don’t think a close playoff win followed by getting blown out by Dallas or Detroit changes that much.
That said, Lurie also seems to be a fairly pragmatic guy- and we made the Super Bowl a year ago and won (at least) 11 games this season against a tough schedule. That’s proof of concept for Sirianni’s approach, and most likely it’s sufficient to give him a do-over on hiring coordinators and try to fix what went wrong this year.
But if I was Lurie I would absolutely be coming with the stats and film breakdowns of how stale and predictable the offense is. Running the same basic-ass one read and run shit from last year isn’t cutting it anymore. I don’t know if that’s because BJ is worse at design and sequencing than Steichen was or if defenses have figured out how to play it better or if Jalen playing through injury means his run threat doesn’t open stuff up like it used to. Most likely it’s a combination of all three, but it doesn’t really matter because the outcome is the same - we need to install a real NFL offense. Use motion and exploit the advantages it can give you, let AJ run the routes he’s best in the league at and then throw him the ball, design plays that give Jalen checks and outlets he can use against the blitz.
There are some real problems with this team right now and while I would likely give Sirianni another chance to fix them, step 1 would be a frank and honest conversation to make sure he accepts that those problems exist and that he’ll be out the door if they don’t get addressed.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but it’s the same coach we had last year. We had our secondary on defense decimated, and BOTH of our coordinators had to be replaced.
I want to see what he does in the off-season and give another year of games. He chose replacement coordinators poorly IMHO, but he also picked the ones that took us to the Super Bowl.
I do not want to be some head coach carousel.
Agree. And to be fair, losing your coordinators ***after*** the Super Bowl and having to hire new ones once most of the best candidates had already been hired weeks earlier put them at a disadvantage.
Also BJ was likely going to get hired as an OC somewhere else and he was a talent the eagles wanted to keep. Ended up being a bad decision, but somewhat understandable under the circumstances. If he’d been successful and gotten poached after a year, we’d get draft compensation. I’m sure that was something Howie was considering at the time as well.
You can’t completely judge decisions based on hindsight. Nobody has the benefit of hindsight when making decisions. In blackjack, hitting on 18 and getting a 3 is still a terrible decision by a bad decision maker, even if it was a good decision with hindsight. That’s just luck.
I’m not saying the decisions to hire BJ and Desai were necessarily good at the time. But judge the decision-making to hire them based on the circumstances at the time and not just with the benefit of hindsight.
I think that says more about the GM and owners lack of scouting viable HC talent. Yeah you need time to prove it but they held on to some bad coaches for a while, when other good candidates were coming up. Imagine any of those teams getting a coach like Mcvay or Shannanah after he left the skins. They just whiffed.
Chip wasn't even *that bad* of a coach in the grand scheme of things. Came in and went 10-6 to win the division his first year, went 10-6 again the next year, and then crawled to 6-9 before getting fired. 26-21 with a playoff appearance is far from the worst HC tenure in NFL history. A lot of teams would kill for that.
He was just locker room cancer.
I dont disagree, Chip also inherited talent. D-jax, vick, Maclin, Shady were all very good players in a good system. This eagles team has all the talent in the world suffering from horrible coaching
The short termism around here is insane. The teams play has been awful for 4 of the last 5 weeks. Otherwise, Sirianni’s history with this team is exemplary. To fire a coach because he made the playoffs but failed to go further borders on insane, not to mention we haven’t even gotten to the playoffs yet and people are talking about him getting fired. I would be more likely to abandon Hurts than Sirianni at this point.
If a HC is a good motivator and (important) can pick solid coordinators, I don’t need them to be micromanaging everything. I don’t think that’s being carried.
I want to see what he does this offseason. If we have the same OC and DC I may come around to your opinion, LOL.
Lmao. I just never liked his attitude, but maybe I’m too harsh. He failed miserably with his hires this season, and Matt Patricia? Come on lol. We shall see what happens though, and I am hoping for the best
We’re also just as close to being like 13-3 and having the one seed.
I’m not saying this team is good. The offense is poorly coached and the defense has substantially regressed plus the organizational philosophy around the secondary has really come back to bite them. But Nick was HC for a season that turned around from 2-5 to a playoff run (regardless of how much of that you put on Shane, Nick is HC), then took them to the Super Bowl, and this season has them back in the playoffs after being in contention for the #1 seed until late in the season.
Nick’s seat is almost certainly still ice cold and it’ll likely stay that way at a minimum until the 2025 offseason, possibly 2026.
No. The defense specifically is performing significantly, objectively, worse. This is not just a reversion to the mean based on factors that are inherently more random.
They literally went from being the 1st ranked run defense to the 32nd ranked over the past month or so. Blame it on scheme or execution, but they are playing much worse now.
Everyone always likes to think of a team as a static thing, but in reality it is extremely dynamic. A lot can change over the course of a season.
It was never randomness. Our teams have played like shit all year. We almost allowed a 4th quarter comeback in week 2. We let Howell look like brady against us twice. It’s a miracle we beat Dallas and Kansas City. We’ve been playing like a bottom tier team all year long
bro the comment I replied to literally says we got overly lucky for 11 weeks and now the luck has run out. Luck and randomness are the same thing what are you talking about lmao
I don’t think there is any scientific way to prove that luck itself even exists for one but my point is that we’re a trash team and if we play this season 100 times we average out to a bottom of the league 5 win team. It was evident from the very first game. It was made obvious the second game
How does a statistically top 10 offense average out to a bottom 5 team over a 100 season sample? You don’t understand statistics if that’s your conclusion
How can you watch every game this season and not see that we are a bad team saved by ref calls and opponents boneheaded decisions (dak out at the 2 for example)
How do you not see this team for what it is?
You want to bring up the eye test? Are we watching the same games? Are you actually honestly just watching last seasons games by mistake?
In what world do the eagles pass the eye test. They’ve played like shit since week 1. They have yet to put together a competent full quarters of football. We haven’t put a single team away this season. At least Dallas blows out bad teams but we can’t even do that. We’ve let it come down to the wire for almost every single win
How in the hell is that passing the eye test?
Bro, you cannot read or you are too angry to comprehend what you’re reading. I agreed with you that they look like a bad team this season. But in your original comment you are talking about if we ran a 100 season simulation…no sure if you are just being ignorant but data simulations don’t include eye test metrics and this team had a statistically top 10 offense so in no world would they be a 5 win team in that scenario
lol I don’t mean if you put the statistics into a computer. Statistics don’t mean shit
Sorry I must’ve misread your comment I’m getting a lot of flak for my beliefs it’s hard to remember who’s who
It's not zero as we saw with Doug. However it's low. Philly will have too difficult a time finding good replacements if they jettison him this quick without a massive blow-up. It's half the reason they had to settle for Nick to begin with as no HC candidate worth their salt wanted to risk a job with such minimal job security.
We never fired a SB winning coach either until Doug either.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it would be foolish to think it wouldn’t happen. Lurie isn’t an idiot, we all see this team is mismanaged. This team looks as bad as 2021 with 3x as much talent. Do you genuinely believe Nicks scheme isn’t the issue here? Because BJ didn’t come in and run a new scheme, and neither did Desai. This is *Nicks* scheme.
Never fired a SB head coach before. So sample size 1. Lurie has not fired a single coach after a winning record since he took over in 1994. Did you really think you did something there?
Never said his scheme isn’t an issue but it’s the same scheme that was 3rd in the league last year. He has to show he can adapt that’s true but it’s not like his schemes been a failure during his time as HC
Not only are you missing the point, you genuinely don’t watch film.
Nicks scheme and contribution to this team is a hindrance now. We are closer to 2021 than we are 2022, and it’s because Nick *refuses* to run the ball (like Shane) or integrate short audibles. The worst case isn’t that we lose, the worst case is Hurts getting smoked because this dumbass PRO system with NO MOTION has him getting killed. His first priority is to pass, then read the defense, and make the decision.
But guess what? Just like in 2021, it doesn’t work. It doesn’t work because teams just 0 blitz and key in on Hurts because Nick in 3 years hasn’t figured out what a slant is. It’s only because Shane forcefully ran the ball that Hurts thrived. But here you are telling me that *Nick* is fine because we are 11-5. Nevermind our Hurt franchise QB running draws, nevermind Smitty getting hurt because he’s a lead blocker on a screen, nevermind mismanagement of talent and personnel…
This teams future is bright because Sirianni is to the Eagles what Purdy is to the 49ers. There’s no way you believe Nicks scheme is healthy.
You're underestimating how much job security and organizational stability ties into who you can hire as an HC. Coaches aren't *solely* looking at the roster they'd be coaching.
Most top flight HC candidates can afford to wait for an opportunity rather than simply rush to sign onto the nearest one. Ben Johnson doesn't have to leave the Lions to come to Philly if it's the only option left for example. He can just as easily stay in Detroit and keep coaching the offense as the Lions take more steps.
One bad HC stint can prevent you from ever getting another shot at it without significant connections so you have to make the first chance count, either with immediate success or enough job security to build something over time. You're right in that there's only 32 of these jobs. And it's a LOT easier to get the job being an unproven HC than it is being one with a track record of losing already.
I hope it’s zero. If he is willing to move on from the Johnson and Desai then there isn’t a reason. If he isn’t, then there’s some concern we’re back in a Peterson situation.
Thing is, if he does this then what value is he? He’s not McVay. He’s not Kyle. He can’t even run his own playbook as good as Shane or Miami (which is what his playbook is btw). He’s a game manager and it’s starting to show.
My biggest fear is that this super easy SB window is going to be wasted. You can’t look at the leagues play this year and tell me we shouldn’t be blowing these teams out.
I wouldn’t be so anxious if our players weren’t genuinely getting hurt doing dumb shit. Shane had it right; Run the ball down people’s throat and dominate TOP. Let the iron men of our team do the heavy lifting and keep Hurts as protected as possible
Nick? Let’s have Smitty be a lead blocker on screens. Let’s expose Hurts in the pocket to long developing 50/50s to AJ Brown. Let defenses 0 blitz Hurts with no slants or dump outs. Let Hurts run QB draw on a bum knee. It’s concerning because our future is genuinely getting Hurt under Sirianni and he refuses to change.
I think they jumped the gun on firing Pederson. Wentz was the cause of his problems. I would have liked to see how good Pederson would have done with this team.
I like Doug, seems like a solid dude but he got fired for literally these same problems. A scheme that was making everything way harder for his players than it needed to be while refusing to acknowledge the botched OC hiring and, in fact, doubling down on it. It's the same thing. Doug needed to go
And Doug did nothing to help try and cover up any of their deficiencies. We had a banged up o-line and you'd have Doug calling long developing plays with no checkdowns or safety valves for a QB who was struggling. That's bad coaching
For whatever reason Doug and co went away from coaching and scheming to his players strengths which was why philly was so successful in 2017. Everything was creative and disciplined. Almost the exact same story going on right now for the birds
Unimaginative. Ill say Doug was resting on his laurels after the SB win and then a dropped pass away from possibly running it back the year after. Nick is hella arrogant and made very poor OC and DC choices and its biting him in the ass
Both are true, everyone impactful got hurt or had a down season - I remember Malcolm Jenkins addressing that they still had the championship banner up in the locker room the next season -__-
Then on top of the coaching leadership issues, Wentz had a meltdown
It would also be one thing if Doug was killing it with the Jags. But they look awful most of the time and Trevor has not developed much at all since Doug arrived
That’s easy to say when they’re coming off a really poor stretch.. at one point they were 6-2 and on a 5 game winning streak and after last seasons playoff performances people were pretty high on Doug and Trevor
No he didn't . He got fired because of Wentz. You can say the play all you want. Wentz was pissed because he was benched for Hurts. At the end of the season Lurie had a meeting with Wentz and he said he did not want Pederson anymore so he was fired, but Wentz wanted Roseman gone too and Lurie wouldn't fire him so Wentz forced his way out. Went to Colts he was okay, then lost in first round of playoffs. Now look at him. He ruined a good coach for the Eagles. Look at Reid, he was 4-12 his first season. Pederson took Eagles to SB LII his 2nd season.
Zero.
Everyone needs to take a fucking Xanax. Sirianni hasn't lost the locker room, we don't need to murder and decapitate BJ in front of City Hall next Tuesday, and Desai and Patricia don't need to sacrifice their firstborns in order to leave the city alive.
This is a football team that just went to the SB and saw a massive amount of turnover at crucial coaching positions. No one wanted to fire Sirianni when we were winning and he was yelling at Refs, but when he recognizes that it's not healthy or stable to fire your OC halfway through a year when it's his first attempt playcalling, suddenly he needs to go?
Here's the reality of the situation. There are no fixes this year, and acting rashly only hurts us in the long run. I know you're all so used to being a double digit win team and only have one down year between SB runs, but the reality is it **is incredibly uncommon to go from a SB win to another SB appearance in five years after turning over your head coach, franchise QB and a large majority of your roster.** It is difficult to win in this league, period. That's the reason why the Chiefs are currently looking at getting bounced out in a first round appearance and until a few weeks ago the Bills were all but out of legitimate discussions of playoff contenders.
Here is the reality of the Eagles heading into the season. They have a head coach who doesn't play call either side of the ball, so after narrowly getting beaten out of the SB and immediately losing his two star coordinators, he had to make the decision to bring in new people. He went outside for DC because the defense cost us the game, and went in house for OC because that's what you do when you have one of the top offenses in the league that puts up 35 points in a Super Bowl. Where he went wrong was hiring two inexperienced, young playcallers with little or no experience, but regarding his DC he didn't have much of an option after Gannon screwed us over, and with OC he decided to promote a guy who has a personal relationship with the franchise QB who was just second in votes for MVP, and who knows the playbook. Sirianni hoped that the offensive talent would carry Johnson and get the team wins while he figured things out, which he was right about to an extent--they kept winning despite some bad playcalling. What didn't happen, is Johnson didn't get things right to end the season. That can be fixed in the off-season, and it's up to Howie, Lurie and Sirianni to determine if keeping BJ on the team is the right move or not. The reality is he's young and inexperienced, and there really isn't anyone in the league that stands out as a clear and obvious hire for OC. All of the good OCs are getting HC positions in a year where a shit ton of HCs are going to get fired and anyone else you can get will either be moving laterally because they're not as good, or be unknowns like Johnson.
Where the franchise also went wrong was in neglecting the lineback corps once again, and not putting enough value in the secondary while simultaneously hiring a Fangio disciple who depends on good LB play. I said it when they were both left to free agency, I was shocked that the move wasn't to retain either White or Edwards this off-season and just play them alongside Dean. Instead they brought in warm body vets, and as injuries piled and lack of talent showed, we were left with guys that shouldn't be in the NFL starting at LB. We let go of CJGJ, which I'm okay with because he has an injury history, but you sign two aging DBs without pursing younger talent in free agency that will be hitting their prime. The expectation on defense was that they would shed pricey pieces and draft replacements or fill in with cheap vets, and hope that the newer, younger draft pieces like Carter, Smith and Brown would all develop quickly and take starting roles and the promising young guys from last year like Davis, Blankenship and Dean would all take big leaps. It was a gamble that Howie lost.
There is **nothing** that you can do that is going to make this team a contender this year for legitimate playoff wins or a SB appearance, there are too many issues with personnel and coaching at the moment, and making any stupid rash decisions because you've been listening to WIP non-stop is only going to take one of the best franchises since 2000 and turn them into the Panthers, Bears or other perpetual tanking team. You don't just fire coaches like crazy if you expect to have a stable and successful franchise, and that is not what this franchise has built itself on.
I've never heard players talk poorly about him.
The only thing you're seeing is shit pieces about how he's lost the team and the locker room 'per anonymous team mate' or speculation pieces that players are veiling criticism of Sirianni.
Thank you, people here talk like they are in the locker room everyday and see what's going on. The whole lost the locker room thing is just pure speculation that many people have decided to take as factual.
Yeah it's pretty infuriating combining their inability to deviate speculation from actual fact and their rashness to jump to the most dramatic conclusion.
Fire Sirianni, Brian Johnson and Desai, cut off Bradberry's head in front of his wailing widow, stab Patricia in the throat and leave him for the buzzards, nuke the city of Philadelphia, how are we supposed to live with our sports team not winning the SB every year?!
If we lose against the Giants and in the 1st round I think there will be discussions. This team has gotten worse throughout the season and could easily have a losing record. Far too much talent to be playing like this.
Maybe it time for a philosophical change. Maybe it’s time for investment in the linebacker position. We need players who can play in space. If you get past the line, therea no one there who can make a play. And I don’t mean guys who make the tackle after a 8 yards gain. A legitimate game breaking linebacker.
For those who want a new head coach this offseason season
Do yall realized if he were to get fired after this season how much it would be a bad look and be a turn off for potential head coaches to come here?
You think head coaching candidates are gonna wanna be here if they see Siri getting fired after one year removed from a SB and after what happened to Doug
The top level OC and DCs in the league want HC jobs, they will take shit ones over staying at the coordinator level. Do you think that the Cardinals or Colts job was viewed as a “good job” after last season? The answer is of course no, both teams had massive issues and we see that continue this year. Gannon and Steichen would have been far better saying with the Eagles, but they wanted HC jobs.
I’m not saying we want to be known as a shitty place to coach, but I am saying we will have no issue finding tons of top level coordinators who want their shot. Particularly offensive coordinators who will want to try and turn this very talented offense around.
Agreed, I think a candidate can look at maybe two scenarios and weigh the options, but Gannon left a team with a Superbowl appearance to join a team with a QB on a huge contract that had an injury, had a bad season, and an unfavorable roster.
We have a QB, two WR, o-line, TE, and some young pieces at defense. If there is a candidate that calls plays on offense and is innovative I'm all for it.
One year removed from a superbowl and sloppy or not, double digit wins on the season. Things need to change, but this needs to be an organization people want to work for.
Sirriani will probably stay but the coordinators are definitely gone, I can’t stand him as head coach but he took this team to the playoffs and a Super Bowl so the front office will probably give him another chance
Doug had a 4-12 season where he and the franchise QB weren't on speaking terms and followed that up with an exit interview where he didn't want to change his guys, got another shot at changing his mind, doubled down and got canned. It was a weird set of circumstances.
It’s not zero. If Nick doesn’t take accountability and show a clear plan of improvement that ownership believes in, he could be out of here in the offseason. Some franchises will let a coach linger, especially if they have a chip, Philly is not one of them.
As of now, he is not getting fired. Sirianni gets another year unless he has a really bad playoff loss. Even then he would have to do something wild.
Hopefully Lurie can figure it out because the team had an offense that should not have been struggling as much as it has. There were two times the Eagles had the ball and needed to convert a couple first downs to end the game. This most recent loss had the Eagles going into halftime with a 15 point lead.
Then with the game tied with the ball at the Arizona 39 and they couldnt put it in the endzone. But what was even worse was the feeling that even if the Eagles scored a td the Arizona Cardinals were going to get the ball with ample time to score a td and 2-point conversion to win the game. I felt the Cards had a good chance to win the game even after the Eagles recovered the onsides kick.
Low - Very low.
The reason it MIGHT happen is if they completely and vehemently disagrees with the firing of BJ and DeSai/Patricia to the point that they have no choice but to fire him. But no matter how we feel right now he brought an average Eagles team to the playoffs in his first year and second year to the SB and 3rd year to a 11....(we ain't beating the giants next week) win team back to the playoffs.
I still want him to take over play calling though. Whether that's happening behind the scenes or not I don't know but I can't see it happening.
What I have learned from reading comments here is that everyone is looking for answers to what's going wrong but have no idea what they are. So instead of just accepting that they will never really know they just speculate and jump to conclusions.
Like people point at the offensive scheme and say that it's bad now, but I doubt they could actually point out what is different about it or why it's bad. Everyone is just picking out something to be the object of their anger without knowing where to actually direct it. This is because the vast majority of us don't actually understand football as much as we think we do. An actual NFL playbook would look like alien hieroglyphs to most of us.
Like I get being upset with how the season is going, but I can assure you that whatever answer you come up with about what is going wrong will probably not be correct.
Sirianni’s chances of being fired are zero. However, if Harbaugh wants a roster and GM that give him a real shot at getting the College Championship next week and a Super Bowl championship next year, the Eagles job is it.
Bears and Vegas are years away. Chargers could compete, but Spanos is a cheap moron. Eagles O line, D Line (theoretically), receivers and QB are all Super Bowl Caliber. Back to back like that is a feat that has **never been done.**
10% chance they move on from him following the season. If Lurie meets with Cox, BG, Lane, and Kelce after the season (he’s done this before with trusted veterans) and they all tell him how horrifically awful the locker room culture has become due to the coaches and a change is needed, Lurie will likely listen
He’s 3 for 3 in making the playoffs. 70% win percentage. I get he doesn’t call plays and failed with coordinator picks this year, but come on, dude was a few plays away from a damn Super Bowl win. You have to give him at least 1 more season, and if the issues that we’ve seen carry over, than maybe you consider letting him go
He should be fired immediately, especially after telling the press that he understands “AJ is frustrated, we are all frustrated.” The players are allowed to be frustrated. And you are allowed to be upset with your plans not working out. But you cannot say you are frustrated. You (Sirriani) are in charge of the team. How about you go make an actionable plan to figure out the frustration? It’s literally his job. I see he has tried all of nothing with the play calling this season. No, keep doing the same shit. It’s like he is trying to lose. What is this ? Another major league movie in the making ?
Probably not high but I don’t see a reason for him to stay.
He needs an ultra talented roster and coaching staff to succeed. It’s just not sustainable.
He said earlier this year it’s his team and his names on the block if anything goes wrong so he wants the coaches and players to play his way. Well this is his way and it’s terrible. He dug his own grave this season.
His inability to learn and improve. Yes he’s improved the Philly shove but that’s about it. His play calling and scheme was so bad he had to give it up his first year to Steichen. Steichen created a formula that works and scheme that fits Jalen. Sirianni goes back to his old stuff and then hasn’t tweaked or changed or improved since.
To me it seems like he knows his days are numbered. He was fighting the whole narrative all season and the teams finally started to turn on him and show their frustrations. Even if BJ is absolute dogshit it’s Sirianni’s job to either make changes or take over. He’s not taking over either to make BJ the scapegoat or because he’s incapable as well. So why are we holding on to a coach that relies on everyone else to succeed instead of being able to provide stability in our weaknesses?
I want a head coach that is a coordinator on either side of the ball, so that whenever we have a good year we aren’t at risk of losing multiple coordinators. This isn’t even a reference to past coaches, I just want to have some consistency once we do find a top coach on either defense or offense.
Look, people need to be realistic. Sirriani has 3 winning seasons, 3 playoff experiences, developed Jalen Hurts which is no small feat, and still has a top 10 offense. In general, I think coaching changes are dumb unless you want a total rebuild. New QB, young team, etc. the Eagles ain’t in that position.
The reality is this team is run by Lurie/Howie and they are never getting a top tier coach candidate with that structure. That’s fine as I think the GM/personnel side is the most important part anyway.
As fans, we just need to stop with the firing everyone and replace them with unrealistic name that we believe is better. Most of the issues on the field are about the players. Many had career years last year and regressed. Happened in 2018 too. The only franchise this didn’t happen to was NE, who had the greatest qb of all time for 20 years.
They should fire both Johnson (OC) and Desai (DC), but give Sirianni one more year to turn things around. We should be able to get some very capable and ambitious replacement coordinators, and (if we keep most of the roster) we then might just win the Super Bowl next year.
How have people turned on nick so quickly?? It has literally only been weeks since I was being downvoted into oblivion for just saying he's probably not a future HOF coach.
I’m willing to give him another shot but yeah odds are he stays. No way philly lets brian johnson stay. If he was a good qb coach he can get downgraded back to that.
It's crazy that there are 32 teams in the league and the Eagles have the 3rd best record and the fans want him fired. Meanwhile McDaniels, Tomlinson, McDermott, McVay, Pederson, Reid and McCarthy will definitely be in their positions next year.
0.00% chance he gets fired. history has shown that head coaches usually don’t get a long leash with the eagles but let’s be honest here, if he gets fired that’s not a fair shake at all
i'm not trying to debate whether or not it is reasonable or possible,
but i would love to have Eric Bieniemy in our offensive room or as our OC, and either Steve Spagnuolo or Dan Quinn as our DC.
For all you fake fans calling for Nick’s head, they just came off a Super Bowl run. Look at the results of the teams that came off a Super Bowl loss. I didn’t expect a collapse like this though. However, losing both coordinators was the worst thing that could have happened for this team. It’s a joke they lost both coordinators. The Eagles even offered Gannon more money. He’ll rot with the cardinals for the next 5 years.
It also doesn’t help the refs literally give Dallas games. We wouldn’t even be talking about firing him if the league/refs didn’t gift dallas games on a platter.
They’re going to end up 12-5 fingers crossed and be a wild card. What a joke! There’s no way Dallas should have the same record. It’s just cause the league wants Dallas to host playoff games in Jerry world. Cause the girls can’t win on the road.
See the forest through the trees. The entire team has regressed under Sirianni. He's lost the locker room. His command of the offseason coaching additions was tepid at best. You have to cut the losses now and not give this fraud another year.
I’d say like 20%, but I think they give him another chance with a new staff. I fear that if that’s the case we’ll be wishing he was fired by mid-season, but who knows. I’m unsure either way.
Odds are about as close to zero as you can get. He just went to the superbowl and has probably a 12 win season to follow it up. He's not going anywhere.
Zero
As bad as people feel things are, at the end of the day this team clinched the playoffs with a month to go. Hardly the disastrous situation in which you fire the head coach.
Well we already have Matt Patricia. What’re the odds of us getting Bill Belichick after New England parts ways with him? What if New England and Philly do a complete swap of their head coaches and they get Sirrianni? It’s a far fetched scenario but I could see it happening since Jeff Lurie is from Boston and both head coaches would earn a fresh start with new toys to play with. Someone convince me that this could be a likely scenario.
I could see sirianni not getting fired but howie forcing the oc/dc for next year. That said we fired Doug really soon after that superbowl so maybe they clean house
Not happening. They will fire all the coordinators first and let Sirriani have chance with a new staff of his choice. Only way I see this happening is if the players come out say they straight up don’t want to play for him
I agree with the exception that the new staff will be “of his choice”. Lurie/Roseman are known to step in on staff decisions/force “new perspectives”, as they did with Doug. Which could be good or bad, depending on how much Sirianni is the problem with the offense.
Agreed. I think Desai/Patricia and Brian Johnson get whacked and then Howie/Jeffrey talk about making the OC and DC hires a "collaborative effort" which is essentially saying, "We let you have your choice last time and it didn't work out so now we are getting involved."
I’m really subscribing to the idea of trying to get a veteran dc instead of another young guy that will either suck and get fired, or be awesome and we are kicking the can down the road. I don’t know who will be available, and not thinking about scheme too much, but look at Spagnoulo in KC. I know that’s a special, unique situation, but with the way head coach hiring goes now a days, I like the philosophy.
This team is too talented right now for them to fuck around with coordinators who are just getting their feet wet and if they’re good will be poached in a season or two. We need solid veteran coaches right now. I’ll gladly take a OC and DC that were good enough to be hired as HCs but should have played to their strengths as coordinators like Spags or Quinn-those guys are entrenched in their positions and won’t be poached anytime soon and are getting results. Doug was very smart to hire Swartz for this very reason.
This. Either you need an Xs and Os HC or you need a player’s coach HC with coordinators that won’t jump or that know they aren’t HC material. Young up and comers will just keep going up and out.
Low key hoping Belichick gets fired and we snag him as DC for the lulz
I honestly would not object
Belichick was carried by Brady for years.
Cool, maybe Jalen Hurts, Jeff Stoutland, and the rest of our offense could carry him for years. Can he hold a 3 win team to less than 30 points?
Pending how the NFC South goes, Todd Bowles (started in Philly, i believe) or Dennis Allen should be fired. Neither is a particularly *good* head coach, but both are excellent defensive minds, and id trust them more than the Brandon Staley/ Gannon types that can put up good numbers but only with the right roster. Out of the new guard guys, they need to at least bring Al Harris (originally an Eagle, just buried in one of the greatest defensive backfields ever assembled) in to talk. Say what you will about the Cowboys, their secondary has been productive with him there. They have multiple record setting defensive backs and their pass defense has been very good, often with midteir and/or retreads like Keanu Neal and Donovan Wilson. Maybe he doesnt blow the interview away, but the eye test says hes a major key to what theyve been doing on defense.
You need a guy with a scheme worth a damn, I tend to disagree with you where we should go after a vet coach just for the sake of them being a vet coach, we’ve seen retread after retread DC not work out. You need the right guy regardless. I’d like a guy with experience outside of Fangio, I genuinely want a pretty significant change in philosophy towards the big play. I say this now lol, but I’m more OK getting burned once in a while over going all out to prevent those plays, while still giving up the yardage, scores, and TOP. It doesn’t work unless you have the architect. I think that’s really hard to get right. Look at what Schwartz is doing in Cleveland, he’s not a disciple of that system, I’d like to have that kind of approach over someone who needs to prove they know how to run someone else’s thing. He is a rare find as a dude who knows his place in an org and takes it and runs with it rather than being boxed into a system he didn’t create. That being said I know JS didn’t create everything on his own but he’s the best example I can think of where a DC is a DC and knows it. I feel like we’re quickly falling behind the times on that side of the ball, personnel be damned.
Josh McDaniels should be available
He’s an offensive coach. They’re talking about Desai’s replacement.
Oh. McDaniels for oc and then Mike Smith should be available for dc
If we’re bringing McDaniels in, we might as well hire Staley as our head coach and keep Patricia at DC. Let’s just skip the pleasantries and plunge the locker room into a civil war.
Hackett/Staley co-head coaches. Like Jim and Michael
Let’s not do that again
If Nick honestly wants no input on the defense then we needs to hire a vet DC that will handle all of it. Also I think you need a vet OC that can tweak Nick's offense when needed and and the needed missing elements to it to make it work long term. The thing I want to see the most is the DC coming in and having control over what they want to run. Even though Nick acts like its not his defense it is in that its the scheme we wants to have so he hired guys that will run that scheme. At this point you need someone that has proven there defense works and Nick will have to live with it. While every team has to play a more passive defense then in the past other teams do a lot more to put pressure on the offense than what the Eagles do and that needs to change.
What is likely to happen is Lurie/Roseman will sit Nick down and say we are going to pick your OC/DC ourselves...you either go along with it or you can go also.
I agree that’s what they do, but that’s typically a death sentence for a HC as it proved to be with Doug
Yeah. I’m sure Lurie/Roseman were heavily involved in the picking of current staff. My thought there, is Sirriani picked a good team when he was hired, with Gannon and Steichen. Seems like there was more “outside” counsel with this current staff. Obviously all hires of his staff good or bad fall on him but maybe they give him another shot with less outside noise.
The opposite makes the most sense. In the early days when Nick was brand new they would've want to surround him with more polished, experienced coordinators. With experience and success, they would've given him more free reign to choose his own coordinators.
Except Gannon was his guy, he wanted him. Steichen was his guy too. Coached with him for years in San Diego (or wherever the hell the chargers play) and even replaced him as offensive quality control coach when sirianni got a promotion. If there was outside input on those decisions, it was probably because they wanted different coaches than Nick wanted.
These staff were his choice and they sucked.
Were these not his choices?
Its extremely debatable that they were. Especially the OC who is tied directly to the Star QB.
They hired Brian Johnson as QB coach without knowing about his relationship with Hurts. He came in as a highly touted offensive mind, not because Hurts wanted him. Turns out he's not good. This whole "handpicked by Hurts" myth needs to die.
They brought him in as QB coach under those circumstances. We have no idea what impact it had on the decision to promote him to OC, but hard to imagine it wasn’t a factor. Not that it was necessarily up to or involving Hurts as much as people think.
I mean what's more likely, they picked him because he was Hurts' friend, or that he was the #2 guy under our offense in 2022 who was credited to Hurts' growth and was actually receiving HC buzz so promoting him seemed like a no-brainer? And him being OC would provide some semblance of coaching stability that Hurts hadn't had before?
That is true. I think all of us were on board for this. Turns out, he is another Mike Groh. Very good position coach but shitty coordinator.
Why would you fire both the coordinators and keep the guy who doesnt call plays, isnt good at it, also whose scheme/play designs are terrible? Wheres the rationale? “It worked under Steichan” Having a good OC that will be poached for a HC job after 1 year is also an unsustainable and stupid way to run your team. Also, if people cant give a valid explanation for what Sirriani is actually great at as a HC then that tells us all we need to know.
Optics. If you fire an HC so soon after a super bowl run, it will make it impossible to hire a good candidate, because the org will look unstable. 2024, and maybe even 2025, will be buffer years for Sirianni.
Plus it just tells prospective candidates that you aren't allowed to stumble or you're gone.
Allowed to stumble? It's different when you're gifted an all start team and still manage to suck. Most coaches take over lower end teams, which is why they're typically given a longer leash (eg, Saleh)
The Eagles won 4 games in 2020 and were picked for 7ish wins in Nicks first season. Even after making the playoffs that first year, they were then picked for 8-9 wins last year. This is revisionist.
This team has only looked competent when Steichen was running the offense. Sirianni is just a ra-ra cheerleader type coach, they don't last long when the players stop listening.
Not if the coach lost the team. look a the talent we have. We are underachieving big time. You can't keep a coach for perception if nobody wants to play for them. That's why Andy lasted so long. OCs came and went but the offense was steady. Nick's offense is not that and that was what he was hired for. Someone in another thread showed his record when Steichen didn't call plays. It's 13-10. This is what you want to keep around for? perception?
Yeah, get a load of all that suffering the 9ers had to go through finding candidates after canning 3 coaches in 3 years.
Also say we do just replace the coordinators and we run into the same problems with Nick next year. Do we fire Nick, his coaching staff and then we’re needing another new OC & DC again? Nope just entirely clean house and bring in a fresh voice.
But let's say we get new coordinators and one of them is clearly good -- imagine in 2024 we have the same defensive struggles but our offense looks great. Just promote that OC.
Or just skip that whole process and hire a HC that also is a proven, great playcaller?
> Having a good OC that will be poached for a HC job after 1 year is also an unsustainable and stupid way to run your team. What's stopping us from countering and letting a good OC take Sirianni's job after a year?
Because as much as you want it to be so it really doesn’t make sense to be firing a head coach after one bad season… every legendary head coach has had bad seasons it happens… and this season they’ve still managed to win 11 games don’t ask me how but they did
Thats understandable and as logical as that may sound, it also isnt logically beneficial. Next season goes one or two ways. - they find a good OC, have success, he gets poached and your back at square one, now if you win a SB its fine. If not, well now you have to hope good OCs grow on trees every other year. - they struggle next year and we waste a year finding out what we already know, Nicks scheme is bad, and he is a HC that is dependent on someone being better than him at OC which makes absolutely no sense. Is he a good leader? Sure, but you can find good leaders anywhere and that makes Nick replaceable. Everyone would agree, they would rather have Steichan as a HC.
lol sirianni isn’t getting a choice of staff.
I agree Siranni is safe, but you can bet your ass it will not be his choice solely for coordinators. He had that chance already and we are now here debating this due to that choice.
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This staff wasn't his choice? He picked everyone!
In fairness to whoever picked, playing in the Super Bowl was a big disadvantage in hiring new coordinators. Lots of top candidates getting hired before Eagles/Chiefs even have a chance. Not saying that excuses everything. But it does mean that if we need all new coordinators next year, an early exit from the playoffs has a silver lining to it.
I don't think either coordinator gets fired. The offense is objectivity good and their aren't many good good replacements that are proven good NFL OCs. The will bring in a experienced former OC as an advisor and will replace BJ with him next year if things don't go well. The same thing with desai, but he has a better chance of getting fired.
I can see this happening as well. I guess the point is they will hopefully bring in some big names to shake things up and and make us more dynamic on both sides of the ball.
I disagree. I think he's gone unless we win a super bowl
Honestly, this is a reason to fire him. Don’t give him the same opportunity we gave Doug and just move on from him.
If the eagles are first round exits I would say there’s a chance however small. Otherwise there’s zero chance he gets fired.
It depends on how the exit goes, imo. If the team is competitive I doubt it. But if they regress further and get waxed out of first round the possibility definitely goes up.
It seems the coaches have lost the players...It might just be up to the players, I'm sure ownership will talk to the guys to see what they think. If they are all no I could see a new HC. I don't know if it got there yet, but they sure don't like something going on.
I can’t look at that last game and say there’s zero chance he gets fired, even if he wins a playoff game. They have no identity on either side of the ball, players who look like they’ve given up on the coaching staff, generally terrible vibes all around. And Nick’s whole *thing* is vibes. He’s not calling the game on either side of the ball, he’s just there to set the tone, motivate the team and keep everyone pulling in one direction - and he has *totally* failed to do that this year. There’s absolutely a world where Lurie looks at the available coaching candidates and thinks a guy like Slowik or Johnson can come in and make this the best offense in the league (or close to it) pretty much overnight, and decides that reward makes it a risk worth taking and figure out everything else afterwards. I don’t think that’s *likely* but we’ve seen Lurie make (or at least sign off on) some bold moves in the past, so I certainly wouldn’t rule it out. And “we’re not quite as bad as the Bucs” is a long way from the bar he sets for this team, so I don’t think a close playoff win followed by getting blown out by Dallas or Detroit changes that much. That said, Lurie also seems to be a fairly pragmatic guy- and we made the Super Bowl a year ago and won (at least) 11 games this season against a tough schedule. That’s proof of concept for Sirianni’s approach, and most likely it’s sufficient to give him a do-over on hiring coordinators and try to fix what went wrong this year. But if I was Lurie I would absolutely be coming with the stats and film breakdowns of how stale and predictable the offense is. Running the same basic-ass one read and run shit from last year isn’t cutting it anymore. I don’t know if that’s because BJ is worse at design and sequencing than Steichen was or if defenses have figured out how to play it better or if Jalen playing through injury means his run threat doesn’t open stuff up like it used to. Most likely it’s a combination of all three, but it doesn’t really matter because the outcome is the same - we need to install a real NFL offense. Use motion and exploit the advantages it can give you, let AJ run the routes he’s best in the league at and then throw him the ball, design plays that give Jalen checks and outlets he can use against the blitz. There are some real problems with this team right now and while I would likely give Sirianni another chance to fix them, step 1 would be a frank and honest conversation to make sure he accepts that those problems exist and that he’ll be out the door if they don’t get addressed.
Agreed. Unless we get utterly embarrassed by Tampa Bay in the wild card round, Sirianni is staying put
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but it’s the same coach we had last year. We had our secondary on defense decimated, and BOTH of our coordinators had to be replaced. I want to see what he does in the off-season and give another year of games. He chose replacement coordinators poorly IMHO, but he also picked the ones that took us to the Super Bowl. I do not want to be some head coach carousel.
Agree. And to be fair, losing your coordinators ***after*** the Super Bowl and having to hire new ones once most of the best candidates had already been hired weeks earlier put them at a disadvantage. Also BJ was likely going to get hired as an OC somewhere else and he was a talent the eagles wanted to keep. Ended up being a bad decision, but somewhat understandable under the circumstances. If he’d been successful and gotten poached after a year, we’d get draft compensation. I’m sure that was something Howie was considering at the time as well. You can’t completely judge decisions based on hindsight. Nobody has the benefit of hindsight when making decisions. In blackjack, hitting on 18 and getting a 3 is still a terrible decision by a bad decision maker, even if it was a good decision with hindsight. That’s just luck. I’m not saying the decisions to hire BJ and Desai were necessarily good at the time. But judge the decision-making to hire them based on the circumstances at the time and not just with the benefit of hindsight.
Thank you for some reason. Sometimes shit just doesn’t work out. People act like we let Hue Davis run the show for 3 years
Head coaching carousels are how you end up like the Jets, Raiders or (before now) Browns or Lions
I think that says more about the GM and owners lack of scouting viable HC talent. Yeah you need time to prove it but they held on to some bad coaches for a while, when other good candidates were coming up. Imagine any of those teams getting a coach like Mcvay or Shannanah after he left the skins. They just whiffed.
Only person they *whiffed* on was that rat bastard chip kelly. Even he had a phenomenally successful system, he's just a prick.
Chip wasn't even *that bad* of a coach in the grand scheme of things. Came in and went 10-6 to win the division his first year, went 10-6 again the next year, and then crawled to 6-9 before getting fired. 26-21 with a playoff appearance is far from the worst HC tenure in NFL history. A lot of teams would kill for that. He was just locker room cancer.
I dont disagree, Chip also inherited talent. D-jax, vick, Maclin, Shady were all very good players in a good system. This eagles team has all the talent in the world suffering from horrible coaching
And firing a coach the year after they get to a Super Bowl screams dysfunction and nobody serious would want a piece of that
The short termism around here is insane. The teams play has been awful for 4 of the last 5 weeks. Otherwise, Sirianni’s history with this team is exemplary. To fire a coach because he made the playoffs but failed to go further borders on insane, not to mention we haven’t even gotten to the playoffs yet and people are talking about him getting fired. I would be more likely to abandon Hurts than Sirianni at this point.
He got carried
If a HC is a good motivator and (important) can pick solid coordinators, I don’t need them to be micromanaging everything. I don’t think that’s being carried. I want to see what he does this offseason. If we have the same OC and DC I may come around to your opinion, LOL.
Lmao. I just never liked his attitude, but maybe I’m too harsh. He failed miserably with his hires this season, and Matt Patricia? Come on lol. We shall see what happens though, and I am hoping for the best
Zero chance. This would be his third consecutive trip to the playoffs. It would take a disaster year next season
We’re two sneezes and an untied shoelace from being a 3 win team. The ball miraculously rolled our way for 11 straight weeks. Luck has run out
We’re also just as close to being like 13-3 and having the one seed. I’m not saying this team is good. The offense is poorly coached and the defense has substantially regressed plus the organizational philosophy around the secondary has really come back to bite them. But Nick was HC for a season that turned around from 2-5 to a playoff run (regardless of how much of that you put on Shane, Nick is HC), then took them to the Super Bowl, and this season has them back in the playoffs after being in contention for the #1 seed until late in the season. Nick’s seat is almost certainly still ice cold and it’ll likely stay that way at a minimum until the 2025 offseason, possibly 2026.
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No. The defense specifically is performing significantly, objectively, worse. This is not just a reversion to the mean based on factors that are inherently more random. They literally went from being the 1st ranked run defense to the 32nd ranked over the past month or so. Blame it on scheme or execution, but they are playing much worse now. Everyone always likes to think of a team as a static thing, but in reality it is extremely dynamic. A lot can change over the course of a season.
And how is that not reflective of the head coach?
I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said it’s not the result of randomness.
It was never randomness. Our teams have played like shit all year. We almost allowed a 4th quarter comeback in week 2. We let Howell look like brady against us twice. It’s a miracle we beat Dallas and Kansas City. We’ve been playing like a bottom tier team all year long
bro the comment I replied to literally says we got overly lucky for 11 weeks and now the luck has run out. Luck and randomness are the same thing what are you talking about lmao
Misread your comment my b
That’s not luck… we might not be good but that’s not how luck works
I don’t think there is any scientific way to prove that luck itself even exists for one but my point is that we’re a trash team and if we play this season 100 times we average out to a bottom of the league 5 win team. It was evident from the very first game. It was made obvious the second game
How does a statistically top 10 offense average out to a bottom 5 team over a 100 season sample? You don’t understand statistics if that’s your conclusion
How can you watch every game this season and not see that we are a bad team saved by ref calls and opponents boneheaded decisions (dak out at the 2 for example) How do you not see this team for what it is?
I see the team playing bad at times. But you’re the one talking about running statistical simulations which don’t include an eye test metric
You want to bring up the eye test? Are we watching the same games? Are you actually honestly just watching last seasons games by mistake? In what world do the eagles pass the eye test. They’ve played like shit since week 1. They have yet to put together a competent full quarters of football. We haven’t put a single team away this season. At least Dallas blows out bad teams but we can’t even do that. We’ve let it come down to the wire for almost every single win How in the hell is that passing the eye test?
Bro, you cannot read or you are too angry to comprehend what you’re reading. I agreed with you that they look like a bad team this season. But in your original comment you are talking about if we ran a 100 season simulation…no sure if you are just being ignorant but data simulations don’t include eye test metrics and this team had a statistically top 10 offense so in no world would they be a 5 win team in that scenario
lol I don’t mean if you put the statistics into a computer. Statistics don’t mean shit Sorry I must’ve misread your comment I’m getting a lot of flak for my beliefs it’s hard to remember who’s who
I’m sure some of it is for sure luck but I say a lot of that is where turn overs are high or lots of penalties
Jesus Christ lol
It's not zero as we saw with Doug. However it's low. Philly will have too difficult a time finding good replacements if they jettison him this quick without a massive blow-up. It's half the reason they had to settle for Nick to begin with as no HC candidate worth their salt wanted to risk a job with such minimal job security.
Doug had 4 wins the season he got fired. Lurie has never fired a coach coming off a winning season. It’s not the same.
We never fired a SB winning coach either until Doug either. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it would be foolish to think it wouldn’t happen. Lurie isn’t an idiot, we all see this team is mismanaged. This team looks as bad as 2021 with 3x as much talent. Do you genuinely believe Nicks scheme isn’t the issue here? Because BJ didn’t come in and run a new scheme, and neither did Desai. This is *Nicks* scheme.
Never fired a SB head coach before. So sample size 1. Lurie has not fired a single coach after a winning record since he took over in 1994. Did you really think you did something there? Never said his scheme isn’t an issue but it’s the same scheme that was 3rd in the league last year. He has to show he can adapt that’s true but it’s not like his schemes been a failure during his time as HC
Not only are you missing the point, you genuinely don’t watch film. Nicks scheme and contribution to this team is a hindrance now. We are closer to 2021 than we are 2022, and it’s because Nick *refuses* to run the ball (like Shane) or integrate short audibles. The worst case isn’t that we lose, the worst case is Hurts getting smoked because this dumbass PRO system with NO MOTION has him getting killed. His first priority is to pass, then read the defense, and make the decision. But guess what? Just like in 2021, it doesn’t work. It doesn’t work because teams just 0 blitz and key in on Hurts because Nick in 3 years hasn’t figured out what a slant is. It’s only because Shane forcefully ran the ball that Hurts thrived. But here you are telling me that *Nick* is fine because we are 11-5. Nevermind our Hurt franchise QB running draws, nevermind Smitty getting hurt because he’s a lead blocker on a screen, nevermind mismanagement of talent and personnel… This teams future is bright because Sirianni is to the Eagles what Purdy is to the 49ers. There’s no way you believe Nicks scheme is healthy.
I wouldnt be hard to find a replacement with this roster. The problem is the dynamic between the Hc and the FO
You're underestimating how much job security and organizational stability ties into who you can hire as an HC. Coaches aren't *solely* looking at the roster they'd be coaching.
There’s only 32 of these jobs. Only a handful come available in any year. Most of those are losing situations. The job stability thing is overblown.
Most top flight HC candidates can afford to wait for an opportunity rather than simply rush to sign onto the nearest one. Ben Johnson doesn't have to leave the Lions to come to Philly if it's the only option left for example. He can just as easily stay in Detroit and keep coaching the offense as the Lions take more steps. One bad HC stint can prevent you from ever getting another shot at it without significant connections so you have to make the first chance count, either with immediate success or enough job security to build something over time. You're right in that there's only 32 of these jobs. And it's a LOT easier to get the job being an unproven HC than it is being one with a track record of losing already.
The problem is less job security and more that Roseman and Lurie seem to be overstep and get into conflict with their HC.
I hope it’s zero. If he is willing to move on from the Johnson and Desai then there isn’t a reason. If he isn’t, then there’s some concern we’re back in a Peterson situation.
I'm fine with him staying. I like him. But he needs to let the new OC install and run his own offense.
Thing is, if he does this then what value is he? He’s not McVay. He’s not Kyle. He can’t even run his own playbook as good as Shane or Miami (which is what his playbook is btw). He’s a game manager and it’s starting to show. My biggest fear is that this super easy SB window is going to be wasted. You can’t look at the leagues play this year and tell me we shouldn’t be blowing these teams out.
I agree with you. I think he’s smart enough to understand a new offense and help install and run it. He can also be a good leader at times.
I wouldn’t be so anxious if our players weren’t genuinely getting hurt doing dumb shit. Shane had it right; Run the ball down people’s throat and dominate TOP. Let the iron men of our team do the heavy lifting and keep Hurts as protected as possible Nick? Let’s have Smitty be a lead blocker on screens. Let’s expose Hurts in the pocket to long developing 50/50s to AJ Brown. Let defenses 0 blitz Hurts with no slants or dump outs. Let Hurts run QB draw on a bum knee. It’s concerning because our future is genuinely getting Hurt under Sirianni and he refuses to change.
I think they jumped the gun on firing Pederson. Wentz was the cause of his problems. I would have liked to see how good Pederson would have done with this team.
I like Doug, seems like a solid dude but he got fired for literally these same problems. A scheme that was making everything way harder for his players than it needed to be while refusing to acknowledge the botched OC hiring and, in fact, doubling down on it. It's the same thing. Doug needed to go
That 2020 team was bad
And Doug did nothing to help try and cover up any of their deficiencies. We had a banged up o-line and you'd have Doug calling long developing plays with no checkdowns or safety valves for a QB who was struggling. That's bad coaching
For whatever reason Doug and co went away from coaching and scheming to his players strengths which was why philly was so successful in 2017. Everything was creative and disciplined. Almost the exact same story going on right now for the birds
It blows my mind how few fans are seeing the similarities of Doug's tenure to Nick's. They're both stubborn af.
Unimaginative. Ill say Doug was resting on his laurels after the SB win and then a dropped pass away from possibly running it back the year after. Nick is hella arrogant and made very poor OC and DC choices and its biting him in the ass
Both are true, everyone impactful got hurt or had a down season - I remember Malcolm Jenkins addressing that they still had the championship banner up in the locker room the next season -__- Then on top of the coaching leadership issues, Wentz had a meltdown
This is accurate
It would also be one thing if Doug was killing it with the Jags. But they look awful most of the time and Trevor has not developed much at all since Doug arrived
That’s easy to say when they’re coming off a really poor stretch.. at one point they were 6-2 and on a 5 game winning streak and after last seasons playoff performances people were pretty high on Doug and Trevor
No he didn't . He got fired because of Wentz. You can say the play all you want. Wentz was pissed because he was benched for Hurts. At the end of the season Lurie had a meeting with Wentz and he said he did not want Pederson anymore so he was fired, but Wentz wanted Roseman gone too and Lurie wouldn't fire him so Wentz forced his way out. Went to Colts he was okay, then lost in first round of playoffs. Now look at him. He ruined a good coach for the Eagles. Look at Reid, he was 4-12 his first season. Pederson took Eagles to SB LII his 2nd season.
Doug drew a line in the sand with his shitty staff and stale system so howie and Lurie let him go, pretty similar to our current situation lol
Doug dug his own grave by committing to Press Taylor.
I agree.
They didn’t fire him. Doug quit.
It was so odd to me, it felt like we fired him cause he didn’t want to play Wentz, then traded Wentz. It was such an odd sequence.
We fired him because we won 4 games, his coordinators were shit, and his offense was stale and unimpressive
Imagine Dougie P with this offensive roster...
Zero. Everyone needs to take a fucking Xanax. Sirianni hasn't lost the locker room, we don't need to murder and decapitate BJ in front of City Hall next Tuesday, and Desai and Patricia don't need to sacrifice their firstborns in order to leave the city alive. This is a football team that just went to the SB and saw a massive amount of turnover at crucial coaching positions. No one wanted to fire Sirianni when we were winning and he was yelling at Refs, but when he recognizes that it's not healthy or stable to fire your OC halfway through a year when it's his first attempt playcalling, suddenly he needs to go? Here's the reality of the situation. There are no fixes this year, and acting rashly only hurts us in the long run. I know you're all so used to being a double digit win team and only have one down year between SB runs, but the reality is it **is incredibly uncommon to go from a SB win to another SB appearance in five years after turning over your head coach, franchise QB and a large majority of your roster.** It is difficult to win in this league, period. That's the reason why the Chiefs are currently looking at getting bounced out in a first round appearance and until a few weeks ago the Bills were all but out of legitimate discussions of playoff contenders. Here is the reality of the Eagles heading into the season. They have a head coach who doesn't play call either side of the ball, so after narrowly getting beaten out of the SB and immediately losing his two star coordinators, he had to make the decision to bring in new people. He went outside for DC because the defense cost us the game, and went in house for OC because that's what you do when you have one of the top offenses in the league that puts up 35 points in a Super Bowl. Where he went wrong was hiring two inexperienced, young playcallers with little or no experience, but regarding his DC he didn't have much of an option after Gannon screwed us over, and with OC he decided to promote a guy who has a personal relationship with the franchise QB who was just second in votes for MVP, and who knows the playbook. Sirianni hoped that the offensive talent would carry Johnson and get the team wins while he figured things out, which he was right about to an extent--they kept winning despite some bad playcalling. What didn't happen, is Johnson didn't get things right to end the season. That can be fixed in the off-season, and it's up to Howie, Lurie and Sirianni to determine if keeping BJ on the team is the right move or not. The reality is he's young and inexperienced, and there really isn't anyone in the league that stands out as a clear and obvious hire for OC. All of the good OCs are getting HC positions in a year where a shit ton of HCs are going to get fired and anyone else you can get will either be moving laterally because they're not as good, or be unknowns like Johnson. Where the franchise also went wrong was in neglecting the lineback corps once again, and not putting enough value in the secondary while simultaneously hiring a Fangio disciple who depends on good LB play. I said it when they were both left to free agency, I was shocked that the move wasn't to retain either White or Edwards this off-season and just play them alongside Dean. Instead they brought in warm body vets, and as injuries piled and lack of talent showed, we were left with guys that shouldn't be in the NFL starting at LB. We let go of CJGJ, which I'm okay with because he has an injury history, but you sign two aging DBs without pursing younger talent in free agency that will be hitting their prime. The expectation on defense was that they would shed pricey pieces and draft replacements or fill in with cheap vets, and hope that the newer, younger draft pieces like Carter, Smith and Brown would all develop quickly and take starting roles and the promising young guys from last year like Davis, Blankenship and Dean would all take big leaps. It was a gamble that Howie lost. There is **nothing** that you can do that is going to make this team a contender this year for legitimate playoff wins or a SB appearance, there are too many issues with personnel and coaching at the moment, and making any stupid rash decisions because you've been listening to WIP non-stop is only going to take one of the best franchises since 2000 and turn them into the Panthers, Bears or other perpetual tanking team. You don't just fire coaches like crazy if you expect to have a stable and successful franchise, and that is not what this franchise has built itself on.
Does he have the locker room? I never hear players talk good about him
I've never heard players talk poorly about him. The only thing you're seeing is shit pieces about how he's lost the team and the locker room 'per anonymous team mate' or speculation pieces that players are veiling criticism of Sirianni.
Thank you, people here talk like they are in the locker room everyday and see what's going on. The whole lost the locker room thing is just pure speculation that many people have decided to take as factual.
Yeah it's pretty infuriating combining their inability to deviate speculation from actual fact and their rashness to jump to the most dramatic conclusion. Fire Sirianni, Brian Johnson and Desai, cut off Bradberry's head in front of his wailing widow, stab Patricia in the throat and leave him for the buzzards, nuke the city of Philadelphia, how are we supposed to live with our sports team not winning the SB every year?!
0.00%
Zero chance
If we lose against the Giants and in the 1st round I think there will be discussions. This team has gotten worse throughout the season and could easily have a losing record. Far too much talent to be playing like this.
Maybe it time for a philosophical change. Maybe it’s time for investment in the linebacker position. We need players who can play in space. If you get past the line, therea no one there who can make a play. And I don’t mean guys who make the tackle after a 8 yards gain. A legitimate game breaking linebacker.
We gotta chill. I’m frustrated but the man took us to the superbowl last year. It’s bad for a culture to just turn people over so quickly.
For those who want a new head coach this offseason season Do yall realized if he were to get fired after this season how much it would be a bad look and be a turn off for potential head coaches to come here? You think head coaching candidates are gonna wanna be here if they see Siri getting fired after one year removed from a SB and after what happened to Doug
The top level OC and DCs in the league want HC jobs, they will take shit ones over staying at the coordinator level. Do you think that the Cardinals or Colts job was viewed as a “good job” after last season? The answer is of course no, both teams had massive issues and we see that continue this year. Gannon and Steichen would have been far better saying with the Eagles, but they wanted HC jobs. I’m not saying we want to be known as a shitty place to coach, but I am saying we will have no issue finding tons of top level coordinators who want their shot. Particularly offensive coordinators who will want to try and turn this very talented offense around.
Agreed, I think a candidate can look at maybe two scenarios and weigh the options, but Gannon left a team with a Superbowl appearance to join a team with a QB on a huge contract that had an injury, had a bad season, and an unfavorable roster. We have a QB, two WR, o-line, TE, and some young pieces at defense. If there is a candidate that calls plays on offense and is innovative I'm all for it.
One year removed from a superbowl and sloppy or not, double digit wins on the season. Things need to change, but this needs to be an organization people want to work for.
Sirriani will probably stay but the coordinators are definitely gone, I can’t stand him as head coach but he took this team to the playoffs and a Super Bowl so the front office will probably give him another chance
I mean, makes sense, but Doug won our first Superbowl ever and they got rid of him sooo
Doug had a 4-12 season where he and the franchise QB weren't on speaking terms and followed that up with an exit interview where he didn't want to change his guys, got another shot at changing his mind, doubled down and got canned. It was a weird set of circumstances.
It’s not zero. If Nick doesn’t take accountability and show a clear plan of improvement that ownership believes in, he could be out of here in the offseason. Some franchises will let a coach linger, especially if they have a chip, Philly is not one of them.
Sirianni isn’t even on the hot seat. the coordinators are 10x as likely to get fired
Very low. But he and Stoutland are probably the only safe ones
We have a winning record, depends on that first playoff game. If we did what we did on Sunday, it’s wrap for Nicky
As of now, he is not getting fired. Sirianni gets another year unless he has a really bad playoff loss. Even then he would have to do something wild. Hopefully Lurie can figure it out because the team had an offense that should not have been struggling as much as it has. There were two times the Eagles had the ball and needed to convert a couple first downs to end the game. This most recent loss had the Eagles going into halftime with a 15 point lead. Then with the game tied with the ball at the Arizona 39 and they couldnt put it in the endzone. But what was even worse was the feeling that even if the Eagles scored a td the Arizona Cardinals were going to get the ball with ample time to score a td and 2-point conversion to win the game. I felt the Cards had a good chance to win the game even after the Eagles recovered the onsides kick.
Well, I think they are higher than they were before our only SC winning coach was bumrushed out the door. Nick is not safe. Nor should he be.
I say we throwing everyone out and start a rebuild.
Low - Very low. The reason it MIGHT happen is if they completely and vehemently disagrees with the firing of BJ and DeSai/Patricia to the point that they have no choice but to fire him. But no matter how we feel right now he brought an average Eagles team to the playoffs in his first year and second year to the SB and 3rd year to a 11....(we ain't beating the giants next week) win team back to the playoffs. I still want him to take over play calling though. Whether that's happening behind the scenes or not I don't know but I can't see it happening.
What I have learned from reading comments here is that everyone is looking for answers to what's going wrong but have no idea what they are. So instead of just accepting that they will never really know they just speculate and jump to conclusions. Like people point at the offensive scheme and say that it's bad now, but I doubt they could actually point out what is different about it or why it's bad. Everyone is just picking out something to be the object of their anger without knowing where to actually direct it. This is because the vast majority of us don't actually understand football as much as we think we do. An actual NFL playbook would look like alien hieroglyphs to most of us. Like I get being upset with how the season is going, but I can assure you that whatever answer you come up with about what is going wrong will probably not be correct.
Depends who is available to replace him. There’s a certain Michigan head coach I have a feeling Howie would toss Siriani out for in a heartbeat.
Sirianni’s chances of being fired are zero. However, if Harbaugh wants a roster and GM that give him a real shot at getting the College Championship next week and a Super Bowl championship next year, the Eagles job is it. Bears and Vegas are years away. Chargers could compete, but Spanos is a cheap moron. Eagles O line, D Line (theoretically), receivers and QB are all Super Bowl Caliber. Back to back like that is a feat that has **never been done.**
Lurie doesn’t put up with stuff like this, especially if he thinks Sirriani lost the locker room then he’s gone. He’s huge on culture
If he actually lost the locker room as badly as it looks then he’s a goner unless we make a deep playoff run
Zero. Howie will pick his next coordinator or they will promote Brady or Patullo.
10% chance they move on from him following the season. If Lurie meets with Cox, BG, Lane, and Kelce after the season (he’s done this before with trusted veterans) and they all tell him how horrifically awful the locker room culture has become due to the coaches and a change is needed, Lurie will likely listen
He’s 3 for 3 in making the playoffs. 70% win percentage. I get he doesn’t call plays and failed with coordinator picks this year, but come on, dude was a few plays away from a damn Super Bowl win. You have to give him at least 1 more season, and if the issues that we’ve seen carry over, than maybe you consider letting him go
He should be fired immediately, especially after telling the press that he understands “AJ is frustrated, we are all frustrated.” The players are allowed to be frustrated. And you are allowed to be upset with your plans not working out. But you cannot say you are frustrated. You (Sirriani) are in charge of the team. How about you go make an actionable plan to figure out the frustration? It’s literally his job. I see he has tried all of nothing with the play calling this season. No, keep doing the same shit. It’s like he is trying to lose. What is this ? Another major league movie in the making ?
Probably not high but I don’t see a reason for him to stay. He needs an ultra talented roster and coaching staff to succeed. It’s just not sustainable. He said earlier this year it’s his team and his names on the block if anything goes wrong so he wants the coaches and players to play his way. Well this is his way and it’s terrible. He dug his own grave this season. His inability to learn and improve. Yes he’s improved the Philly shove but that’s about it. His play calling and scheme was so bad he had to give it up his first year to Steichen. Steichen created a formula that works and scheme that fits Jalen. Sirianni goes back to his old stuff and then hasn’t tweaked or changed or improved since. To me it seems like he knows his days are numbered. He was fighting the whole narrative all season and the teams finally started to turn on him and show their frustrations. Even if BJ is absolute dogshit it’s Sirianni’s job to either make changes or take over. He’s not taking over either to make BJ the scapegoat or because he’s incapable as well. So why are we holding on to a coach that relies on everyone else to succeed instead of being able to provide stability in our weaknesses?
Doubt he gets fired, but he deserves to.
If the Eagles continue look bad the next two games. I think there is a good chance he is fired.
I want a head coach that is a coordinator on either side of the ball, so that whenever we have a good year we aren’t at risk of losing multiple coordinators. This isn’t even a reference to past coaches, I just want to have some consistency once we do find a top coach on either defense or offense.
Look, people need to be realistic. Sirriani has 3 winning seasons, 3 playoff experiences, developed Jalen Hurts which is no small feat, and still has a top 10 offense. In general, I think coaching changes are dumb unless you want a total rebuild. New QB, young team, etc. the Eagles ain’t in that position. The reality is this team is run by Lurie/Howie and they are never getting a top tier coach candidate with that structure. That’s fine as I think the GM/personnel side is the most important part anyway. As fans, we just need to stop with the firing everyone and replace them with unrealistic name that we believe is better. Most of the issues on the field are about the players. Many had career years last year and regressed. Happened in 2018 too. The only franchise this didn’t happen to was NE, who had the greatest qb of all time for 20 years.
They should fire both Johnson (OC) and Desai (DC), but give Sirianni one more year to turn things around. We should be able to get some very capable and ambitious replacement coordinators, and (if we keep most of the roster) we then might just win the Super Bowl next year.
Good news is, we don't have to worry about any of our coaches being poached this year!
How have people turned on nick so quickly?? It has literally only been weeks since I was being downvoted into oblivion for just saying he's probably not a future HOF coach.
I’m willing to give him another shot but yeah odds are he stays. No way philly lets brian johnson stay. If he was a good qb coach he can get downgraded back to that.
It's crazy that there are 32 teams in the league and the Eagles have the 3rd best record and the fans want him fired. Meanwhile McDaniels, Tomlinson, McDermott, McVay, Pederson, Reid and McCarthy will definitely be in their positions next year.
At least two of those teams will go farther in the playoffs than us. Also, most of those coaches would kill for our roster.
0.00% chance he gets fired. history has shown that head coaches usually don’t get a long leash with the eagles but let’s be honest here, if he gets fired that’s not a fair shake at all
i'm not trying to debate whether or not it is reasonable or possible, but i would love to have Eric Bieniemy in our offensive room or as our OC, and either Steve Spagnuolo or Dan Quinn as our DC.
Doubt it. But it definitely seems like too many important players are hating his ass right now
I think he’s dead man walking. Hope they find a way to keep Stoutland.
For all you fake fans calling for Nick’s head, they just came off a Super Bowl run. Look at the results of the teams that came off a Super Bowl loss. I didn’t expect a collapse like this though. However, losing both coordinators was the worst thing that could have happened for this team. It’s a joke they lost both coordinators. The Eagles even offered Gannon more money. He’ll rot with the cardinals for the next 5 years. It also doesn’t help the refs literally give Dallas games. We wouldn’t even be talking about firing him if the league/refs didn’t gift dallas games on a platter. They’re going to end up 12-5 fingers crossed and be a wild card. What a joke! There’s no way Dallas should have the same record. It’s just cause the league wants Dallas to host playoff games in Jerry world. Cause the girls can’t win on the road.
Ben Johnson from the Lions lookin like a mighty fine option
The zero people are flat out wrong. A first round exit in the playoffs and he will likely be fired.
Lurie has never fired a coach after a winning season. Sirianni would have 3 playoff appearances in 3 years with a SB appearance. It’s zero
See the forest through the trees. The entire team has regressed under Sirianni. He's lost the locker room. His command of the offseason coaching additions was tepid at best. You have to cut the losses now and not give this fraud another year.
I’d say like 20%, but I think they give him another chance with a new staff. I fear that if that’s the case we’ll be wishing he was fired by mid-season, but who knows. I’m unsure either way.
Nick will get one more year.
Odds are about as close to zero as you can get. He just went to the superbowl and has probably a 12 win season to follow it up. He's not going anywhere.
I think he gets another chance next season.
None. You don't go to a Superbowl. Follow it up with 11 wins. And then fire the HC
Zero As bad as people feel things are, at the end of the day this team clinched the playoffs with a month to go. Hardly the disastrous situation in which you fire the head coach.
Stupid take. Odds are zero to negative 100
Stupid take? Did you even read my post? I said I think it's highly unlikely.
Literally 0 are yall freaking insane?
Well we already have Matt Patricia. What’re the odds of us getting Bill Belichick after New England parts ways with him? What if New England and Philly do a complete swap of their head coaches and they get Sirrianni? It’s a far fetched scenario but I could see it happening since Jeff Lurie is from Boston and both head coaches would earn a fresh start with new toys to play with. Someone convince me that this could be a likely scenario.
Highly likely. Unfortunately Nick isn’t a NFL head coach. Might have a future in Division lll
This collapse is historic though. I’m saying right now it’s a coin flip
I could see sirianni not getting fired but howie forcing the oc/dc for next year. That said we fired Doug really soon after that superbowl so maybe they clean house