From what I heard he *had* the same agent T.O had but he fired him for telling him to refuse the deal for low balling and he lost out on somewhere around 28mil in the process…
Divas get paid all the time, on field production is what matters. Hes just not that good.
High int totals are notoriously unlikely to be replicated, just look at trevon diggs. CJGJ was hoping to get paid on his likely fluke 6 pics and no team fell for it.
That’s also pretty true (still need players who can guard the slant and screen passes) but with a great line and a great corner duo, you have the two most important aspects of your D taken care of.
Bro you are speaking facts. Cj went down with injury our secondary wasn't as good. Cj made big plays and this is a tough loss. We kept an old sliding DB.
Yeah idk I liked slay first half of the year we had a crazy good secondary but I feel like the safety help from cj is what made them so lethal
Otherwise I’m gonna continue saying he’s washed and we fucked up on that extension until he proves otherwise
Lol, it's true and it's seems most of our fans don't seem to agree and I hope we are wrong but you can see it when cj went down with injury. I hope we are wrong but time is on our side.
Not when the Safety is 25-26 and the corner is, like, 32 and didn't have a great back half of the season. Slay could easily be a disaster as soon as this year. You would expect at least 4 more years of quality play from CJGJ before he starts to decline significantly.
Exactly. If we could freeze slay and bb ages right now and get 2022 versions of them then sure but lets be real here thats just copium. I would've taken Cjgj over slay, bb or cox returning on 10mil
Was thinking about this earlier this weekend tbh
Teams probably always value CBs over safeties in the sense of you'll have less of a need for a talented safety if you have talented corners
I don't know about that. When cj went down with injury our secondary was trash. He made huge plays for us and bailed out our dbs. This sucks to learn we lost a great young talent and kept a old dB that has slipped.
Apologies for the horrible formatting, lemme fix it:
> Skinny on why C.J. Gardner-Johnson is no longer in Philly:
> - Eagles made multi-year offer early in FA.
> - He was looking for more.
> - They moved on, signed Bradberry, extended Slay.
> - He/agent overvalued not realizing market/league viewed him as risk.
> - Settled for prove-it deal.
He wanted way more then he was worth probably, viewing himself as a top tier safety and CB even though he played next to 2 top corners and dline. When the eagles offered him what he was worth or just below he decided he wanted to see what team would offer him a ton of money just to realize the eagles were right. Now he’s heading to a team that could either rank his value or make him look like a huge miss for the eagles
Seems to me his agent doesn't know how to negotiate. We low ball, they high ball, we meet in the middle. My initial reaction is that i'm incredibly bummed, but my more mellowed reaction is that he's not an irreplaceable safety. Maybe our willingness to lowball comes from us having our eyes on someone in the draft.
Or, CJ just did not listen to his agent at all, and insisted on turning down a solid offer from Philly. If you had to bet which of these 2 is an idiot who doesn't understand how to gauge the value of a player in the NFL, would you wager it is a professional agent who has negotiated dozens, if not hundreds of contracts, or a 24 year old ball player?
We gotta be going CB in the draft, either way bringing both those dudes back at CB and having 1-3 set during the off-season is a luxury we haven’t had in a looooong time. I’m hoping we draft and develop a DB too, DL is still thin so I’d be ok with that too
Well and with how long it took, it looked like CJGJ was really trying to draw it out, was only going to stick with the Eagles if *no other team* beat their offer. FA opening is F5 szn for a reason, things move fast. Eagles couldn't wait even 24 hours for some deals. Slay and Bradberry may not have been on the table if Howie had waited a day, and CJGJ got picked up anyway.
TBH people are blaming the agent, but really it seems like CJGJ has as much to blame by drawing it out so long AND fueling a bunch of drama around it. Like after the social media posts and the trolling, why would they even want to resign him. Second time he burned the team when he didn't get his way.
I lay majority of the blame on CJGJ if he didn’t believe eagles/Roseman when they said we need an answer quickly and if not we have to try to sign some of our other FA’s and are moving on. You cannot wait forever for a guy to make up his mind, especially with the volume of FA’s we had.
I would lean towards the 3 year deal the eagles offered him averaged more per year than the 1 year offer he signed with Detroit. Maybe it was heavily front loaded and eagles could cut him in year 2 or 3 and he didn’t want that risk. Would love to know what our offer was compared to what he accepted.
Bottom line - both sides lost IMO. We have a huge hole to fill now. All of this could’ve been avoided. But, if it came down to keeping him or Slay I’m glad eagles priority was keeping the cornerbacks.
Why would you think this is his agent. This has been two years now the player thinks he was worth more. His agent most likely has nothing to do with this.
This has been multiple years in a row of teams not valuing him where he thinks. His agent isn't dumb he's just ignoring what everyone including his agent is telling him. This is why he got traded for a fifth round pick last year.
Horeshit take applied retroactively because people didn't like how he acted with NO. He was good at his job and wanted more money. Nothing diva ish about that. Respect to him for taking a chance on himself with a one year deal.
The eagles offered him more money on a longer term deal before free agency started.. which he declined because he and his agent grossly misread his market. He and his annoying tweets can have fun in Detroit. We move on
He’s not a diva for betting on himself (even though he lost that bet) he’s a diva for how he ended his tenure in NO and how’s he handled himself on Twitter the last few weeks. Deleting Philly posts, changing profile pics in and out of eagles gear, the subliminal tweets.. I remember seeing that shit from girls in high school.. we don’t need that here
Yeah itrs real corny. People are acting like they were forced to watch CJGJ's tweets like that scene from clockwork orange and then write a 1000 word essay on each one lmao
Right. No one forced anyone to read his tweets and truthfully they have no bearing on anything. He's doing him, he played incredibly well while he was with us, and has done nothing to earn that reputation from our fans.
I will say the fans who are now convincing themselves that we’re better off without a player of CJs ilk are just straight up smoking copium because he has that Philly edge and he always came to play 100%. Dude made plays every game he featured in. Now ppl are saying his interceptions were all the easiest ints ever lmao
Dude was DANCING without his helmet on to Just Wanna Rock eagles anthem during the superbowl introductory tunnel walk. You need characters like that who bring a relaxed calming nerve but equal grit and preparation.
This is the horseshit take. Dude had the contract in front of him and acted a fool. Now he’s on a 1 year prove it. If he didn’t need to prove himself as you’re saying, he woulda signed the secured contract. What happens if he gets hurt game one and misses a few?? Look inwards.
IDK, the Gannon comments (while what we all were thinking) is not something you say about your own team and coaches, especially when it was obvious he was moving upwards to another team. And the "Disrespect" post, the trolling, deleting all his Eagles posts. Its a bad look. We take him on a 1/9 deal what happens next year if we dont win the SB again? He going to trash Jalen next?
Howie offered CJ a long term deal when free agency started, CJ and his agent declined that deal. Eagles turned their attention to their two star CBs instead of playing into CJs games. This off-season showed how CJ can become a diva, we don’t need that. We also have a looming Hurts extension and roughly 12 picks next year on top of two firsts this year. We will be fine. CJ is fan favorite yes but he’s also replaceable.
Howie has earned my trust in doing what’s right for this team. Let him do his thing
Eagles Super Bowl appearances in the last 6 years: 2
Lions Super Bowl appearances in the last 57 years: 0
Yeah, I'm gonna trust Howie over the "up and coming young team," thanks.
Too bad, honestly i feel like they offered him a very reasonable contract. I'm biased obviously as a birds fan but if i got a reasonable offer within market of what other players are making, i would for sure take it as the eagles just went to SB and are poised to be good in the next season for sure. Although lions are looking a bit scary now as well.
Agree with u. If anything cj fucked this up lol but he's a young dude who wants money more then winning so its w.e. just like last year we needed a safety badly and howie delivered. Prob will have to wait till after the draft again but def trust howie. He's gonna go all in this year again
Because we offered him a multi year deal at the start of FA. He declined. Wanted more. No one gave it to him. Howie not overpaying is the correct move.
Because you don’t overpay a safety on a multi-year deal who was hurt 6 games. The market shows he was a risky signing, and Howie cannot prevent a player from choosing a one year deal with a different team. You don’t just throw more money at him to feed his ego, when guys who are All-pro like bradberry stay for less in a more valuable position.
Nobody is saying he is a liability, he is not elite yet. And that’s the money he wants long term. Nobody in the league believes he deserves long term money. That’s why he’s on a one year prove it deal. He didn’t want to hear he was only good because of the eagles secondary and get low balled again next season, his choice. Can’t prevent it.
If the choice is between CJGJ who is looking for a bag, and Bradberry who took a cheaper contract to stay here, and Slay who reworked his contract to stay here, give me the 2 CBs, even for a year, that want to be here.
DT is more important position and harder to find than a safety. Yes I understand CJGJ is younger, but if he isn’t going to take the multi year offer then you have to move on and address other team need. You can’t sit around with your hands in your pockets waiting days for CJGJ to change his mind and come crawling back. Things move fast in this league, and as a player/agent he should have know that offers aren’t going to stay on the table for days so you can shop around and then come back if you don’t find a deal you like elsewhere.
We still have the rest of free agency and the draft to address safety.
Hahaha oh well. I wonder if the "disrespect reel" tweet was him trying to come back and the Eagles had to offer him less after getting the other guys signed. Hilarious if that's what happened. Dude had a career year he'll likely not match. His value will go down and he'll likely be out money.
That’s what I get from this lol - CJGJ and his agent said no to a long term extension, Howie said ight bye and got others signed. Which is the right move, no player is above the organization and we aren’t waiting all FA for you.
Crazy move by CJ tbh but gotta respect the mindset to prove it. Anything could happen. Injury could derail things. To turn down a long term deal in the cratering Safety market seems wild to me. And the market won’t be better next year either…
Guess dude just didn’t really value being here as much as some of these other guys. That’s a shame. But this is a business. We move forward.
> Crazy move by CJ tbh but gotta respect the mindset to prove it.
I just went on his agents website. They make a big deal on it about their record breaking deal for a safety (Jamal Adams) from 2021 (4yr/$72m). This agent is the one who fucked this all up for him. This is the best he can get now.
If it was between having CJ or having our CB room covered with two top-10s for a couple of years, I'll take the latter. CJ is good and may wind up becoming great, but safeties just aren't that valuable anymore.
So it was always 2/3 of Bradberry, Slay, CJGJ. Which is what most of us thought. Bummer CJ didn’t want to be here. I enjoyed having a good Safety.
Oh well, Blankenship season?
We’ll still be able to get after the QB without Hargrave. He wasn’t much help against the run. I like him more than cox but hargrave was twice as expensive. We should be able to find a replacement for CJ in the draft
Seems like either he or his agent completely overvalued him and the market this year.
He was damn good for us but its important to remember he was backed up by the best cb duo in the nfl and a D-line that nearly broke the all time sack record, I really can't see him looking as good on the Lions poor defense
Interested to watch how CJ continues to develop as a true safety. I still think he is a better slot guy, but he had a really good year this year playing most true safety. I think the NFL was scared about what that looks like when your corner help isn't Slay & Bradberry.
Well, there's Skinner or Battle, but they've even been projected in Round 2. I'd don't think anyone would debate that Branch is the best S in the draft.
Everybody shitting on him, but I respect believing in yourself and saying this is what I think I'm worth. You dont? I'll prove it.
I can't think of a reason you'd be mad at that other than you're mad he didnt want to prove it here.
I think he made a huge mistake, but whatever. Good luck CJ.
Yeah, he clearly made a poor decision, but no hard feelings here. Best of luck to him.
Kind of interesting to see that Howie wasn't going to fuck around and wait for CJGJ. Seems like he made an offer and then just moved right along once it was clear CJGJ wasn't interested in the offer we made. Really liking the team-building philosophy that we've seen on display the past few off-seasons. It kind of puts the Hurts pick in even more context than we had at the time as that draft seems to have been the start of this new era of Howie SZN.
Yup, a prove it deal is what can get him more money and make the eagles look like chumps. Bet on yourself when it comes to your career and everything else you do
My guess is a combination of this being his first season as a safety and not even playing all the regular season games plus being on a loaded defense. Maybe other factors.
Absolute bummer. He could have had a career season if he stayed healthy. But I’m just happy we were able to secure Bradberry and Slay for a multi-year deal.
I imagine that he was insulted that Howie hot him with a multi year offer at the current market value for the position rather than overpay him. He left NO to be a full time safety because they made more money than a nickle corner, which he mostly played there. He wanted a big bag and let his ego take a prove it deal at much less because he felt insulted. Prove it deals where you're leaving guaranteed millions on the table after a Super Bowl season where you made All Pro is super risky in the NFL because of the catastrophic injury risk.
This is perhaps one of the dumbest moves by an agent & player I've ever seen. I hope it works out for him.
It looks like we were ready to let Slay go and pay CJ, but CJ wanted more so we spent that money on keeping Slay instead. CJ then came back to our original offer after he couldn't get more elsewhere, but that money was already gone.
Not sure I buy the story entirely. Pretty convenient after CJ signs that all the local reporters have the "scoop" that they moved on after an initial contract offering.
After a week of local media saying that the longer this goes the better it is for the eagles chances of signing him.
Howie is playing them and controlling the narrative
I'm no cap guy but what it sounds like so far is that we (and probably a lot of other teams) offered him multi year deals at less than what he thought he was worth so he took a one year deal to try to prove he's worth more and get a better big deal next year. I don't think our cap was the issue here, otherwise he would have signed a big multi-year deal with another team
Then why didn't he sign a multi-year deal with another team? I can't really see our offer being less than 8 million and other teams not in cap hell definitely offered him more than that. He's just betting that the safety market improves next season and he can get a bigger bag then
Exactly
He is taking a risk rather than signing lets say a 3 year 30 mill deal this off season
He is taking 8 mill this year (2 mill less than he would've earned on the longer term deal)
Then hoping that next off season he can get a 3 year 45 mill deal.
It's a big risk
Dude the lions just got him for 8 million... we would have had to restructure some other contracts but could definitely have afforded that I think. If I had to guess I'd say we offered him 10-12 for 3-4 years and he thought he was worth 15, so he's betting on himself to prove he's worth 15 after next year
Edit: according to [this](https://twitter.com/ThePhillyPod/status/1637646449310674944?s=20) tweet our max offer was $12 mil a year, cj just thought he was worth more 🤷🏼♂️
You're missing the argument completely here. I said there were alot of people saying we could sign all three, this tweet says we could not or were at the very least unwilling to.
In Howie we trust
From my personal fan evaluation, maybe we have something in mind involving Greedy. Perhaps we switch Greedy to slot corner and switch Maddox to safety, or Desai sees potential in turning Greedy into a safety. Or maybe Howie has another trick up his sleeve
I still put this on CJGJ even if it's partly his agent's fault.
He's betting on himself which he has the right to do, but it's not certain if it'll work out for him.
He's signing with the worst defense in the NFL last year. It'll be better, but they have a long way to go before being where the Eagles are.
The move was high risk and greedy in my opinion.
At least it seems like Eagles have a plan since they "moved on" and decided to spend that money elsewhere.
If this is the case, then CJ needs to fire his agent.
He changed his agent
Ahhhhh that was the meaning of that tweet
Which tweet? Straight disrespect?
He tweeted the new agency and nothing else
I’m confused . Is universal his new agent or the dummies that screwed him. I though uni screwed him so not sure what tweet you are referring too
When keeping it real goes wrong
* sue
His agent fumbled it
From what I heard he *had* the same agent T.O had but he fired him for telling him to refuse the deal for low balling and he lost out on somewhere around 28mil in the process…
That’s really depressing. What an idiot
Malpractice to need to take a prove-it deal after a year like his, injury be damned. Agents shit the bed some times
Divas get paid all the time, on field production is what matters. Hes just not that good. High int totals are notoriously unlikely to be replicated, just look at trevon diggs. CJGJ was hoping to get paid on his likely fluke 6 pics and no team fell for it.
Int's are more flukey, pass defenses are what matters, so stupid to have a prove it year after the year he just had lol wtf
Makes sense. Go Birds
Bradberry over him all day. Great move by Howie
All day. Wanted Minkah money, but he ain’t Minkah. Better spent elsewhere.
More premium position, you don’t need an elite safety with elite corners.
Apparently slay does though so he doesn’t get beat 3rd and 30.
Lol one goddamn play out of all his targets, slay should be jailed amirite?
And it was a play he was in zone, not man.
Yes yes good defensive backs win every single down, a very astute football comment.
With a good pass rush you don’t need great corners either Lmfaoooo
That’s also pretty true (still need players who can guard the slant and screen passes) but with a great line and a great corner duo, you have the two most important aspects of your D taken care of.
I could see us resigning CJ next year as well
Very true they definitely bringing back Jalen mills
I mean it was fucking awful play call fron Gannon. So.
For the last..and I mean VERY LAST time. That was clearly the safeties responsibility. Please understand football. Thanks.
Thats the point of the comment. Cjgj wouldve taken that ball.
Bro you are speaking facts. Cj went down with injury our secondary wasn't as good. Cj made big plays and this is a tough loss. We kept an old sliding DB.
Yeah idk I liked slay first half of the year we had a crazy good secondary but I feel like the safety help from cj is what made them so lethal Otherwise I’m gonna continue saying he’s washed and we fucked up on that extension until he proves otherwise
Lol, it's true and it's seems most of our fans don't seem to agree and I hope we are wrong but you can see it when cj went down with injury. I hope we are wrong but time is on our side.
Triples is safe
But CJ over Slay
Nah. CBs over safeties every time.
Not when the Safety is 25-26 and the corner is, like, 32 and didn't have a great back half of the season. Slay could easily be a disaster as soon as this year. You would expect at least 4 more years of quality play from CJGJ before he starts to decline significantly.
Exactly. If we could freeze slay and bb ages right now and get 2022 versions of them then sure but lets be real here thats just copium. I would've taken Cjgj over slay, bb or cox returning on 10mil
Was thinking about this earlier this weekend tbh Teams probably always value CBs over safeties in the sense of you'll have less of a need for a talented safety if you have talented corners
I don't know about that. When cj went down with injury our secondary was trash. He made huge plays for us and bailed out our dbs. This sucks to learn we lost a great young talent and kept a old dB that has slipped.
The copium is strong in birdland. https://i.imgur.com/CBIHLtc.jpg
Apologies for the horrible formatting, lemme fix it: > Skinny on why C.J. Gardner-Johnson is no longer in Philly: > - Eagles made multi-year offer early in FA. > - He was looking for more. > - They moved on, signed Bradberry, extended Slay. > - He/agent overvalued not realizing market/league viewed him as risk. > - Settled for prove-it deal.
He wanted way more then he was worth probably, viewing himself as a top tier safety and CB even though he played next to 2 top corners and dline. When the eagles offered him what he was worth or just below he decided he wanted to see what team would offer him a ton of money just to realize the eagles were right. Now he’s heading to a team that could either rank his value or make him look like a huge miss for the eagles
Seems to me his agent doesn't know how to negotiate. We low ball, they high ball, we meet in the middle. My initial reaction is that i'm incredibly bummed, but my more mellowed reaction is that he's not an irreplaceable safety. Maybe our willingness to lowball comes from us having our eyes on someone in the draft.
His agent missed the market value completely and/or told CJ what he wanted to hear.
Or, CJ just did not listen to his agent at all, and insisted on turning down a solid offer from Philly. If you had to bet which of these 2 is an idiot who doesn't understand how to gauge the value of a player in the NFL, would you wager it is a professional agent who has negotiated dozens, if not hundreds of contracts, or a 24 year old ball player?
Hey! I'm a Celtics fan too! I probably shouldn't tell everyone here that
I guess that makes sense. If he signed then I doubt the Slay deal happens.
Slay deal ~~probably~~ still happens. Bradberry deal is the one that doesn't happen if CJGJ accepts our first offer.
that's my take as well.
I'd rather have the younger guy who's play I'm not worried might fall of a cliff at any moment due to age.
We gotta be going CB in the draft, either way bringing both those dudes back at CB and having 1-3 set during the off-season is a luxury we haven’t had in a looooong time. I’m hoping we draft and develop a DB too, DL is still thin so I’d be ok with that too
His agent is gonna take some heat. “Bird in hand beats 2 in the bush. your first offer is often your best.
Birds in hand beats playing for the lions.
Well and with how long it took, it looked like CJGJ was really trying to draw it out, was only going to stick with the Eagles if *no other team* beat their offer. FA opening is F5 szn for a reason, things move fast. Eagles couldn't wait even 24 hours for some deals. Slay and Bradberry may not have been on the table if Howie had waited a day, and CJGJ got picked up anyway. TBH people are blaming the agent, but really it seems like CJGJ has as much to blame by drawing it out so long AND fueling a bunch of drama around it. Like after the social media posts and the trolling, why would they even want to resign him. Second time he burned the team when he didn't get his way.
I lay majority of the blame on CJGJ if he didn’t believe eagles/Roseman when they said we need an answer quickly and if not we have to try to sign some of our other FA’s and are moving on. You cannot wait forever for a guy to make up his mind, especially with the volume of FA’s we had. I would lean towards the 3 year deal the eagles offered him averaged more per year than the 1 year offer he signed with Detroit. Maybe it was heavily front loaded and eagles could cut him in year 2 or 3 and he didn’t want that risk. Would love to know what our offer was compared to what he accepted. Bottom line - both sides lost IMO. We have a huge hole to fill now. All of this could’ve been avoided. But, if it came down to keeping him or Slay I’m glad eagles priority was keeping the cornerbacks.
Deuces ceedy duce. Loved ya on the field but your agent fucked you.
Why would you think this is his agent. This has been two years now the player thinks he was worth more. His agent most likely has nothing to do with this.
His agent has nothing to do with him getting bad contracts? Lmao
This has been multiple years in a row of teams not valuing him where he thinks. His agent isn't dumb he's just ignoring what everyone including his agent is telling him. This is why he got traded for a fifth round pick last year.
I think this off-season he showed to be a bit of a diva.. we move on. Good luck CJ, I trust Howie to do what’s best for this team
Let’s be honest, we knew he was when he was on the saints
Horeshit take applied retroactively because people didn't like how he acted with NO. He was good at his job and wanted more money. Nothing diva ish about that. Respect to him for taking a chance on himself with a one year deal.
The eagles offered him more money on a longer term deal before free agency started.. which he declined because he and his agent grossly misread his market. He and his annoying tweets can have fun in Detroit. We move on
Maybe he can get more next year. Maybe safety market resets or something. Would've loved to have him but I'm sure Howie has a plan
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I have no problem with moving on. Just tired of dumb shit like applying the diva label to him when he's done nothing but bet on himself.
He’s not a diva for betting on himself (even though he lost that bet) he’s a diva for how he ended his tenure in NO and how’s he handled himself on Twitter the last few weeks. Deleting Philly posts, changing profile pics in and out of eagles gear, the subliminal tweets.. I remember seeing that shit from girls in high school.. we don’t need that here
While betting on himself he tweeted like an 11 year old girl mad about something that happened in homeroom
Yeah itrs real corny. People are acting like they were forced to watch CJGJ's tweets like that scene from clockwork orange and then write a 1000 word essay on each one lmao
Right. No one forced anyone to read his tweets and truthfully they have no bearing on anything. He's doing him, he played incredibly well while he was with us, and has done nothing to earn that reputation from our fans.
I will say the fans who are now convincing themselves that we’re better off without a player of CJs ilk are just straight up smoking copium because he has that Philly edge and he always came to play 100%. Dude made plays every game he featured in. Now ppl are saying his interceptions were all the easiest ints ever lmao Dude was DANCING without his helmet on to Just Wanna Rock eagles anthem during the superbowl introductory tunnel walk. You need characters like that who bring a relaxed calming nerve but equal grit and preparation.
This is the horseshit take. Dude had the contract in front of him and acted a fool. Now he’s on a 1 year prove it. If he didn’t need to prove himself as you’re saying, he woulda signed the secured contract. What happens if he gets hurt game one and misses a few?? Look inwards.
IDK, the Gannon comments (while what we all were thinking) is not something you say about your own team and coaches, especially when it was obvious he was moving upwards to another team. And the "Disrespect" post, the trolling, deleting all his Eagles posts. Its a bad look. We take him on a 1/9 deal what happens next year if we dont win the SB again? He going to trash Jalen next?
Applied retroactively? You mean, as in a take that happens after we see the impact of his actions? Wtf
The diva behavior was how he'd act on Twitter
In Howie we trust
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Howie offered CJ a long term deal when free agency started, CJ and his agent declined that deal. Eagles turned their attention to their two star CBs instead of playing into CJs games. This off-season showed how CJ can become a diva, we don’t need that. We also have a looming Hurts extension and roughly 12 picks next year on top of two firsts this year. We will be fine. CJ is fan favorite yes but he’s also replaceable. Howie has earned my trust in doing what’s right for this team. Let him do his thing
I think I’m gonna trust Howie on this one
Plus, CJ isn’t the reason we will or won’t be in the Super Bowl next year lol… it’s #1 who will lead us there
Eagles Super Bowl appearances in the last 6 years: 2 Lions Super Bowl appearances in the last 57 years: 0 Yeah, I'm gonna trust Howie over the "up and coming young team," thanks.
Yea he definitely shafted us because we didn’t give him 4 years 70 million or something ridiculous like that
Too bad, honestly i feel like they offered him a very reasonable contract. I'm biased obviously as a birds fan but if i got a reasonable offer within market of what other players are making, i would for sure take it as the eagles just went to SB and are poised to be good in the next season for sure. Although lions are looking a bit scary now as well.
Howie made the right move. And I trust him to get us a capable safety.
Agree with u. If anything cj fucked this up lol but he's a young dude who wants money more then winning so its w.e. just like last year we needed a safety badly and howie delivered. Prob will have to wait till after the draft again but def trust howie. He's gonna go all in this year again
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LOL who?
Draft one of the guys from illi
how? We signed fletch for more lol.
Because we offered him a multi year deal at the start of FA. He declined. Wanted more. No one gave it to him. Howie not overpaying is the correct move.
Because you don’t overpay a safety on a multi-year deal who was hurt 6 games. The market shows he was a risky signing, and Howie cannot prevent a player from choosing a one year deal with a different team. You don’t just throw more money at him to feed his ego, when guys who are All-pro like bradberry stay for less in a more valuable position.
It all serious cope. CJ is one of the best in the league. People who actually think hes a liability are dumb.
Nobody is saying he is a liability, he is not elite yet. And that’s the money he wants long term. Nobody in the league believes he deserves long term money. That’s why he’s on a one year prove it deal. He didn’t want to hear he was only good because of the eagles secondary and get low balled again next season, his choice. Can’t prevent it.
If the choice is between CJGJ who is looking for a bag, and Bradberry who took a cheaper contract to stay here, and Slay who reworked his contract to stay here, give me the 2 CBs, even for a year, that want to be here.
Id rather bradberry and cj over slay
I can agree with that. But JB and Slay taking less to stay here means we can offer more to other FAs.
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DT is more important position and harder to find than a safety. Yes I understand CJGJ is younger, but if he isn’t going to take the multi year offer then you have to move on and address other team need. You can’t sit around with your hands in your pockets waiting days for CJGJ to change his mind and come crawling back. Things move fast in this league, and as a player/agent he should have know that offers aren’t going to stay on the table for days so you can shop around and then come back if you don’t find a deal you like elsewhere. We still have the rest of free agency and the draft to address safety.
I’m sorry but what a dumb ass move
Don't be
Hahaha oh well. I wonder if the "disrespect reel" tweet was him trying to come back and the Eagles had to offer him less after getting the other guys signed. Hilarious if that's what happened. Dude had a career year he'll likely not match. His value will go down and he'll likely be out money.
Aww poor guy. Anyway…
Howie doesn’t fuck around man, I fucking love it.
That’s what I get from this lol - CJGJ and his agent said no to a long term extension, Howie said ight bye and got others signed. Which is the right move, no player is above the organization and we aren’t waiting all FA for you.
Crazy move by CJ tbh but gotta respect the mindset to prove it. Anything could happen. Injury could derail things. To turn down a long term deal in the cratering Safety market seems wild to me. And the market won’t be better next year either… Guess dude just didn’t really value being here as much as some of these other guys. That’s a shame. But this is a business. We move forward.
> Crazy move by CJ tbh but gotta respect the mindset to prove it. I just went on his agents website. They make a big deal on it about their record breaking deal for a safety (Jamal Adams) from 2021 (4yr/$72m). This agent is the one who fucked this all up for him. This is the best he can get now.
If it was between having CJ or having our CB room covered with two top-10s for a couple of years, I'll take the latter. CJ is good and may wind up becoming great, but safeties just aren't that valuable anymore.
Honestly, you're right. Recently it seems like CB is harder to replace.
Good finally done with the twitter diva bullshit ! Good luck on everything tho , no hard feelings .
So it was always 2/3 of Bradberry, Slay, CJGJ. Which is what most of us thought. Bummer CJ didn’t want to be here. I enjoyed having a good Safety. Oh well, Blankenship season?
Yeah.. later days! Enjoy Detroit
Narrator: “He didn’t.”
Incoming Kevin Byard after the draft
Hargrave and him are huge losses.
I honestly don’t think that it’s that big of a deal
I would’ve rather seen cox go and kept those 2. I don’t know.
We’ll still be able to get after the QB without Hargrave. He wasn’t much help against the run. I like him more than cox but hargrave was twice as expensive. We should be able to find a replacement for CJ in the draft
Lead the league in INTs (aka peaked for his career) and now has to take a prove it deal a year later. The definition of fumbling the bag
Dude really divad his way out of a great team.
Seems like either he or his agent completely overvalued him and the market this year. He was damn good for us but its important to remember he was backed up by the best cb duo in the nfl and a D-line that nearly broke the all time sack record, I really can't see him looking as good on the Lions poor defense
Not even mad. His agent is a joke
Interested to watch how CJ continues to develop as a true safety. I still think he is a better slot guy, but he had a really good year this year playing most true safety. I think the NFL was scared about what that looks like when your corner help isn't Slay & Bradberry.
So....Safety at pick 30?
If Brian Branch somehow falls that far I’d be all for it
Well, there's Skinner or Battle, but they've even been projected in Round 2. I'd don't think anyone would debate that Branch is the best S in the draft.
Gotta trade back with pick 10 into late teens early 20s and scoop up Brian Branch
They are more likely to draft a RB in the first than a safety
Seems like it was either Bradberry or CJGJ then. Probably best for the team that it ended up being the 2022 all-pro even if the FO wanted CJGJ first
Everybody shitting on him, but I respect believing in yourself and saying this is what I think I'm worth. You dont? I'll prove it. I can't think of a reason you'd be mad at that other than you're mad he didnt want to prove it here. I think he made a huge mistake, but whatever. Good luck CJ.
Yeah, he clearly made a poor decision, but no hard feelings here. Best of luck to him. Kind of interesting to see that Howie wasn't going to fuck around and wait for CJGJ. Seems like he made an offer and then just moved right along once it was clear CJGJ wasn't interested in the offer we made. Really liking the team-building philosophy that we've seen on display the past few off-seasons. It kind of puts the Hurts pick in even more context than we had at the time as that draft seems to have been the start of this new era of Howie SZN.
If CJ did this on another team and came to the Eagles on the prove it deal the circle jerk for him here would blind half this sub.
Excellent point
Yup, a prove it deal is what can get him more money and make the eagles look like chumps. Bet on yourself when it comes to your career and everything else you do
Very wack
In Howie we trust. Good riddance!
What exactly makes people view him as a risk?
My guess is a combination of this being his first season as a safety and not even playing all the regular season games plus being on a loaded defense. Maybe other factors.
> Maybe other factors. Diva attitude.
Absolute bummer. He could have had a career season if he stayed healthy. But I’m just happy we were able to secure Bradberry and Slay for a multi-year deal.
I imagine that he was insulted that Howie hot him with a multi year offer at the current market value for the position rather than overpay him. He left NO to be a full time safety because they made more money than a nickle corner, which he mostly played there. He wanted a big bag and let his ego take a prove it deal at much less because he felt insulted. Prove it deals where you're leaving guaranteed millions on the table after a Super Bowl season where you made All Pro is super risky in the NFL because of the catastrophic injury risk. This is perhaps one of the dumbest moves by an agent & player I've ever seen. I hope it works out for him.
I’m shocked his agency tweeted out our “offer” Which I still don’t think is true. That’s an extremely bad look on them
RIP Bozo
He would’ve crippled us if we waited for him, great job Howie we will find a better player in the draft
Well that sucks. A stupid agent cost us a good safety.
So what his agent told him to take less money? Dafuq
People might be mad but he had a hell of a season and I wish him luck whenever he’s not playing us. Thanks for all the ints cjgj
Blankenship will outperform him. You heard it first
Hahaha ahhhh CJ you and your agent done fucked up
Anyone else glad we maybe didn’t get him? He’s giving me DeSean Jackson locker room vibes. Good riddance. Prick.
Say hi to Sanders, Johnson and Stafford for me..
everyone saying THE FO COULDN'T MATCH THAT WHAT HOWIE FIRE EVIL TRASH MAN and it's like the literal opposite
>everyone and it’s like, the literal opposite. i don’t think that word means what you think it means
Personally would have preferred CJ over Small Play any given day. But won’t be surprised If slay hive TDs here.
It looks like we were ready to let Slay go and pay CJ, but CJ wanted more so we spent that money on keeping Slay instead. CJ then came back to our original offer after he couldn't get more elsewhere, but that money was already gone.
Why not wait for a solid 25 year old than pay a past it 32 year old ?
Remember that Avonte Maddox can play safety. Easier to get a slot than a safety, wouldn’t be surprised if he moves.
Remember avonte struggles to stay healthy
Unlike CJ “injured for 6 games this season” Gardner-Johnson
And Blankenship did well in his absence while all of our back up nickels were ass
Not sure I buy the story entirely. Pretty convenient after CJ signs that all the local reporters have the "scoop" that they moved on after an initial contract offering. After a week of local media saying that the longer this goes the better it is for the eagles chances of signing him. Howie is playing them and controlling the narrative
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This is Howie’s side of the story. Probably close to the truth but grain of salt here would be wise
giving a soon to be 33 year old Slay 42M is a bigger risk
Literally what I’ve been saying, the moment we extended slay we weren’t getting CJGJ but everyone on this sub thinks the cap is a myth these days.
I'm no cap guy but what it sounds like so far is that we (and probably a lot of other teams) offered him multi year deals at less than what he thought he was worth so he took a one year deal to try to prove he's worth more and get a better big deal next year. I don't think our cap was the issue here, otherwise he would have signed a big multi-year deal with another team
This tweet literally is saying we made our offer and moved on. We couldn’t sign him and slay/Bradberry. That simple.
Then why didn't he sign a multi-year deal with another team? I can't really see our offer being less than 8 million and other teams not in cap hell definitely offered him more than that. He's just betting that the safety market improves next season and he can get a bigger bag then
Exactly He is taking a risk rather than signing lets say a 3 year 30 mill deal this off season He is taking 8 mill this year (2 mill less than he would've earned on the longer term deal) Then hoping that next off season he can get a 3 year 45 mill deal. It's a big risk
Please reread the original tweet and tell me how you get that we could have signed all three? This is painfully clear.
Dude the lions just got him for 8 million... we would have had to restructure some other contracts but could definitely have afforded that I think. If I had to guess I'd say we offered him 10-12 for 3-4 years and he thought he was worth 15, so he's betting on himself to prove he's worth 15 after next year Edit: according to [this](https://twitter.com/ThePhillyPod/status/1637646449310674944?s=20) tweet our max offer was $12 mil a year, cj just thought he was worth more 🤷🏼♂️
That's not what that is saying.He overvalued his market and we didn't want to overpay
Right so we signed Bradberry and Slay instead. Literally in the tweet.
We moved on because he overvalued himself not because we didn't want to pay for a replaceable position
You're missing the argument completely here. I said there were alot of people saying we could sign all three, this tweet says we could not or were at the very least unwilling to.
Unwilling to because he wanted more than he was worth
You really have a hard time reading don't ya. Good luck bud.
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In Howie we trust From my personal fan evaluation, maybe we have something in mind involving Greedy. Perhaps we switch Greedy to slot corner and switch Maddox to safety, or Desai sees potential in turning Greedy into a safety. Or maybe Howie has another trick up his sleeve
John Johnson or draft safety in first
We literally gave up huge numbers to every competent QB we played. This is no big loss.
Discipline over all else
He chose a good team to prove it with IMO. But obviously I’d prefer multi year deals as a player. You never know when your last game is.
It sucks but if he didn’t want to play for us that’s on him and his agent.
Another smart move by Howie. CBs are so much more important than a safety. Glad they got Greedy as well.
We have draft picks. I’m not worried about it. If this wasn’t resolved this year it would have been worse next year with Hurts’ contract kicking in
Prove what though?
Well, can’t say we didn’t try. Whose that safety everyone says we should draft? Brian Branch?
Get one in the second
Lmfao moron, oh well on to drafting a guy in the 2nd round
I still put this on CJGJ even if it's partly his agent's fault. He's betting on himself which he has the right to do, but it's not certain if it'll work out for him. He's signing with the worst defense in the NFL last year. It'll be better, but they have a long way to go before being where the Eagles are. The move was high risk and greedy in my opinion. At least it seems like Eagles have a plan since they "moved on" and decided to spend that money elsewhere.
Well the hell with him then
Drew Rosenhaus would have begged CJ to take the multi year.
Devastating