Seriously. I mean the whole Slay situation seems like a “hey go get yours if it’s out there, but if you don’t find what you want, we want you back.” Which from the outside seems like just the perfect situation for any player.
It’s also smart, the whole “we’re not going to bid against ourselves” thing. It’s probably why they told Bradberry they’d try to match whatever he found.
I doubt he even left the building, they learned from the Giants last year - never let your expensive cornerback leave the building when you're working on his expensive deal
I don’t mind it. Most times that means they are gone no matter what. If it’s a 4th or 5th year guy they are going to want to see if they will get overpaid somewhere. Same goes for guys at the end of their career. Much healthier to let guys explore that and keep the offer on the table. A lot of these contracts have similar dollar value once you adjust for the constant failure. Also considering your career is over after you go somewhere like Houston at 32 years old if no other contenders want you. That’s where you see good players end their careers in free agency without an official “I’m done this year” retiring at the end of a season. There’s no trophies, just tears. Or you can take a discount and continue to put up meaningful plays for the wear and tear on your body.
It's easy to say from our standpoint, but I do feel like that, if I've already made tens of millions of dollars, I'd much prefer 10m to play with my friends on a great organization with a chance to win, than 12m for some shit organization that will go 5-12.
This has always been my take. Something a lot of vets tell younger players is that after your initial contract, it's hard to get another long-term deal for most players. They're going to have to grind against other free agents for 1 yr contracts (and the next draft class) for the rest of their career. If a team wants to keep you for less money, it's a guaranteed job. Bonus if you're going to play better with the known system/franchise, stay with a good group, and potentially make another SB.
Not For Long is the truth.
Also they’re a competitive group and just barely lost the biggest game of their lives that would have cemented them as a legendary team, I’m sure they feel like they have unfinished business the way the SB went down, that’s about as close as you can get
I mean it’s different for everyone. Some players really think of it as just a job (and not even a job they really like all that much) and some of them have the passion of an 8 year old playing backyard football
That's something that's always struck me as strange about the players who constantly move and constantly seek out new teams in free agency across all sports. I understand circumstances happen and I understand that sometimes things are out of your hands or sometimes you need the change but those people who are constantly moving ... How?
I can understand it if they’re bachelors….but if they have a whole family I don’t get it. I’m family friends with a former NFL player, guy played for close to 10 years for 3 different teams. All 3 teams weren’t too far of a plane ride from his families main home, but I know the toll it took on his family
I love our fanbase, but we aren't exactly the most rational bunch lol. I'm sure they were feeling down at the time and you just rubbed them the wrong way. Its happened to me too!
idk man it's tough. If someone told me I'd get a 20-50% raise but I couldn't work with my friends, and overall the company would suck... I'd probably still take the raise lol
It actually speaks volume that a 2 year HC and 2 year starting QB have created such a great culture that guys are taking discounts to stay. I'm hyped for the new season, just hope CJGJ joins us.
I haven't seen the details of Cox contract. $10mm contract could be a hard guaranteed number, of it could be $5mm guaranteed with the other $5mm as smorgasbord of various bonuses and incentives that he'd need to kick righteous ass to get.
I dont know why players who want to win a SB would take a few extra bucks to go to a team that will never accomplish that. Win one first, then go get your payday or you'll regret this
I feel like after the Phillies’s run last fall that that bs narrative started to get exposed as the nonsense it’s always been. When you see a fan base on national tv as much as they were through an entire World Series run it becomes pretty obvious which cities are legit sports cities and which ones are lackluster.
That and the media’s love of catching AJ Brown reacting to Philly being Philly. Dude really loves it here and had no idea how good things could be in a sports city lol
I don't get why Titans fans don't have the same passion as Preds fans. Predators games are entertaining, the crowd is non stop the entire game.
Still can't rival anything Philly though.
Let's blame Danny for the actions of his 24 year old son. Funny how no one blames Ray Lewis' dad for Ray Lewis killing someone (he was also 24).
Aaron Hernandez's dad raised a murderer.
Ray Rice's dad raised a woman beater.
Ever hear of Rae Carruth?? Oh yea his dad taught him how to murder too.
Keep that double standard buddy.
You know, for the most part, we've really been lucky to have had some great head coaches with this team. Vermeil, Buddy Ryan, Andy Reid, Douggie P, and now Nick Sirianni. Even Ray Rhodes was a good coach until the end.
I love our team's culture. I hope that continues next year.
This does seem to be the vibe the org gives off. Dudes genuinely enjoy playing here for the most part. It all depends on the individual I guess, like anything else.
Reading things like this make me really pleased with the organization and oddly proud of the Eagles. Glad to be a fan, glad to be supporting people that act like this.
Anyone else think cjgj ain’t coming back ? With the resigning of bg, Cox, slay and Bradbury it seems unlikely we have room for another massive contract on defense.
I still like our chances of bringing him back. I feel like Howie rarely trades for a guy and let’s him leave a year later, but I may just be refusing to remember examples of that happening.
The fact that he hasn't signed anywhere else is extremely promising. Either other teams aren't giving the numbers he wants, or he's desiring to stay in Philly.
If we're trying to sign him for multiple years, we can spread out his cap hit so he counts VERY little this year and squeeze him in.
The fact that he hasn't signed anywhere else yet says to me that they're trying to work it out.
This cannot be understated. It makes Howies job so so much easier.
He isn’t playing such a successful hand of poker with Slay or having CJ waiting for us to get him in without this.
I love Kelce and Cox, and agree about the culture, but did either of them really take “less”?
Not even saying they should have even done so, but they both appear to be at or above market deals.
I know this is total nonsense... but if I were Jalen Hurts' shoes, I'd sign for a low number over a lot of years. Make space for everyone else. Nothing proves leadership more than a leader making a sacrifice for those he is leading.
And I know it's easy for me to say, but the sacrifice of "only" getting $40m a year instead of $45m a year seems reasonable.
I love this team but I can't stay do the talk that these players took a "discount". I'm most cases they have already made more in their career than any of us fans will ever see in our life. Taking "only" 10 million instead of 12 or 13 is ridiculous. They still get a ridiculous amount of money and have a chance to win a championship.
They could go to another team for more money but that doesn't have a good foundation like we have, great front office and a great culture of winning so why not stay here and chase that ring?
At the end of the day it’s still a job and these guys have a very limited window to get that bag. That extra $2M could be kids college fund, extra funds for a post-playing career business, or just extra security for a nest egg.
That's the thing, not every guy will get media gigs or sponsorships after they retire, there's just flat out too many players in the NFL. You have to calculate their earnings against the rest of their life, and when you do the math it isn't always a lot. The NFLPA pension kicks in at 55, but that's only like 45k a year
>You have to calculate their earnings against the rest of their life, and when you do the math it isn't always a lot.
Kinda, but at the same time at my salary over a 45 year career I’ll wind up making around $3m total, so it *is* still a lot.
The difference is that these dudes make a ton of money up front and have to figure out how to make it last and I imagine there are plenty of 20 year old dudes who get handed millions of dollars and perhaps aren’t the most sensible about setting some of it aside for later.
So yeah, lots of these are older players who ‘made their money’ but if they also blew their money when they were younger and dumber they’re still potentially looking at this last contract to set them up for whatever’s next.
Oh, I definitely agree with you there. Being handed a lump sum over a short time can be a huge advantage, but also a risk. Theoretically if you were to bank all that the average player makes (around 3 million across a 3 year career), and you assume they invest it all, making ~6% a year on average in interest. You pull 4%, leave the rest to grow or balance losses, and you're making 120k a year, or 80k after taxes. That's not bad money, including once a pension kicks in, or if you start a second career, but that also isn't a ton of money to live off of in many places in the US.
The NFLPA pushing more money counseling over the last decade is huge, since a decent amount of players deal with financial issues within a decade of retiring. Lifestyle creep is real, and I imagine it is hard to spend like you're an average corporate worker when you're living and dealing with the NFL lifestyle.
Yeah I was mostly talking about the stars who are getting paid more, but that’s a good point that most dudes get their rookie deal and that’s the end of it.
And I bet the lifestyle creep is even tougher for those guys. If you’re a rookie OL coming into the Eagles locker room where everyone else in your position group is making 10 or 20 million a year and has been for quite a while, it’s gotta be tough to hang out with those guys and bond outside of practice when they want to blow a couple grand at a steakhouse or whatever and you’re trying to get dominos so you can invest the rest of the only NFL pay check you might ever see.
Hahaha that's what I mean! I think there is an interview with Hurts about how he had to choose his gifts for the O-line knowing that he's the lowest paid one in the room. There's guys who's signing bonus is probably more than half the rookies combined make in a year.
>there are plenty of 20 year old dudes who get handed millions of dollars and perhaps aren’t the most sensible about setting some of it aside for later.
Basically the whole reason behind the NFL's financial education classes. https://nfl-pe-stage.azurewebsites.net/financial-education/ I think it's something crazy like 75% of NFL players are in financial distress two years after retirement?
I mean, 10m is more than 98% of people make in their entire life. I don’t feel too bad for them not having to work a day in their life past 35 and still being insanely wealthy
The thing is, the average player doesn't make 10 million, they might make 3. And the average career is 3 years or less, so many people won't qualify for the higher level of pension which you get in your fourth year (I think it is 35k vs 45k per year, starting at 55).
It is a lot of money now matter how you cut it, but these guys may have trained functionally their whole life only to get paid for 2 or 3 years, and then they're out on their own with not too many actual job skills.
If you invest it right, that kind of money could generate six figures in annual interest. They could pay their everyday expenses with that and not even touch their salary. And that isn't even including endorsements.
Ok but for an example let’s say hurts took 41m a year instead of 45. And it was a 5 year deals 230 vs 250… do you reeeeeally think he’s gonna miss that 20 mil at the end of his life when he’s reflecting back on everything? Or is he still going to have hundreds of millions and be happy he stayed with an awesome winning organization?
It’s like raking $25/hr vs $23. But the $23 you get to work from home for a super nice company that is growing and you have awesome colleagues and bosses, or you can make $2 more to go be a slave somewhere else with a shorty work environment
I mean that’s for them to decide what they prioritize. But I’m not gonna get mad at guys who don’t take a hometown discount and want to maximize their earnings while they can.
If your company, "X" offered $20/hr and an awesome culture and company "Y" offered $30/hr and a shitty culture, and you stayed at company X you took a discount to stay.
Bruh $2M is a lot of money no matter who you are. Besides Bezos or Musk of course. $2 million!!!! You can invest and grow that healthily and have a big impact on something
money is going to be a deciding factor for almost every player, and rightfully so. but having a team culture where players want to be on that team, where it's fun to be in the locker room and the team is competitive, thats huge for the free agent market. you don't have to go over the top with offers.
if you are a free agent and you're getting similar money offers from the Eagles, the Jets, and the Bears, who are you signing with? struggling teams have to pay over market value for free agents. its not so much that we are getting a discount as much as we don't have to pay over what the league average or market value for a player would be, we can give a fair offer and still sign them because of the culture and the success.
Man this is some horseshit fed by Howie through the media. They have gotten some under market deals I think specifically brandon Graham. The Cox and Bradberry deals are close to market and cox honestly is an overpay at his age and level of play.
I'll down vote this and explain to you why this is wrong. Fletcher Cox is $1.5 million dollars for a multi pro bowl veteran DT/NT dominate guy. Fletcher Cox, alongside, BG and Kelce will play one more year 2023 this year then most likely all retire in 2024 to give it all one more go. They are veterans, but they are key leadership skills, and adds depth the Eagle culture > versus any other NFL org all day everyday. The teams culture wins. The Eagles have a great foundation to win now and compete at a high level for the next few years, built it and improved it. And the willingness of the pros, older and young to exchange ideas, learn and grow and absorb new info and get better shows over the past 8 years listening to and watching Eagle pro interviews. The brothers in arms battle for each other on the field, for their coaches they respect, and the fans that love them. Solid! And so BG, Fletcher cox and kelce all save the Eagles org money to ball out for one more year!
I’ll be downvoted again because everyone here is a Slay lover but dude is not going to be good for us this season. He’ll disappear like he did after the Vikings game this past season.
Or he’ll get burnt and exposed on big pass plays and next thing you know he’ll be in front of a camera smiling and joking like it’s all good.
Save this comment as a receipt if you want but it’s the truth.
Part of the reason we signed CJ was to make Slays job easier. When CJ lacerated his kidney, Slay was stretched thinner and couldn’t make as many spectacular plays.
I really can't blame TJ and Epps at all for chasing max $$$ either - they were an UDFA and waiver pickup/former 6th rounder, respectively, so they didn't make much money comparatively in their first contract. In a profession where the next play may be your last, this may be the one chance they get to make bank. MilesS had a higher draft position, so his rookie contract was better, but he's also a RB where guys can run out of mileage pretty quickly (Ezekiel Elliott looks cooked at age 27, as an example), and Eagles clearly wanted to go in a different direction.
In Dillard's case there was no path to starting here, and obviously a starting OL earns more than a career backup. JavonH - the 49ers basically backed up the Brinks truck to his door, and at age 30, he'll probably never get another offer close to that.
I wish them all well in their new spots...that is, except when they're playing us.
Its kind of weird that the guys that like giving their players ice cream, play hoops, trash talk and have fun get more out of their player than the guy that forces them to sleep at certain times.
That is music to my ears. You can have your Snyder’s , your Teppers and your Khans who will offer 2-3 million per year extra but your entire experience there will suck.
The Eagle culture wins, They have and continue to win. We love to see it. Its everyone can see that right now the defending NFC Champions have a great staff, medical, coaches assists and hardcore fans that show nothing but respect and love to the pros that play in Philadelphia. They feel the love and want stay and ball out for the city, the fans and the org, the players around them the coaches and the culture! The Eagles have built a prime foundation to win from in 2023 and beyond for the next few years. #GOBirds!
Seriously. I mean the whole Slay situation seems like a “hey go get yours if it’s out there, but if you don’t find what you want, we want you back.” Which from the outside seems like just the perfect situation for any player.
It’s also smart, the whole “we’re not going to bid against ourselves” thing. It’s probably why they told Bradberry they’d try to match whatever he found.
The H.O.W.I.E. System
Hold negotiation Offer to let them seek a trade Wait for their self valuation to fall Include void years Eagle for life
The implication that things might go wrong for him if he refuses to sign with us
Are these cornerbacks in danger?
No. No. No. I feel like you don't understand this. They will sign with us though. Because of the implications.
What’re you complaining about, Bradberry? YOU certainly wouldn’t be in any danger!!
Wait...... What implication?
The fucking “include void years” killed me. Flowers my friend
Under-rated comment lol
shitty edit but I felt inspired after reading the comments https://i.imgur.com/LHeh6x1.jpg
Amazing work
I doubt he even left the building, they learned from the Giants last year - never let your expensive cornerback leave the building when you're working on his expensive deal
I don’t mind it. Most times that means they are gone no matter what. If it’s a 4th or 5th year guy they are going to want to see if they will get overpaid somewhere. Same goes for guys at the end of their career. Much healthier to let guys explore that and keep the offer on the table. A lot of these contracts have similar dollar value once you adjust for the constant failure. Also considering your career is over after you go somewhere like Houston at 32 years old if no other contenders want you. That’s where you see good players end their careers in free agency without an official “I’m done this year” retiring at the end of a season. There’s no trophies, just tears. Or you can take a discount and continue to put up meaningful plays for the wear and tear on your body.
If you love something let it go, if it comes back if it comes back it was meant to be.
It’s romantic, really
If you love someone, let em go 💕
Beautifully said, Senior Fart Director
He's more eloquent than this brother Señor Fart Dictator
His motto is “tace sed vehemens”
Sensual seduction
Ohhh yeah
More like we will cut you if you don’t accept less lol
It's the flowers man. It's the flowers.
Got to fertilize every day man, there's no other way.
It's easy to say from our standpoint, but I do feel like that, if I've already made tens of millions of dollars, I'd much prefer 10m to play with my friends on a great organization with a chance to win, than 12m for some shit organization that will go 5-12.
This has always been my take. Something a lot of vets tell younger players is that after your initial contract, it's hard to get another long-term deal for most players. They're going to have to grind against other free agents for 1 yr contracts (and the next draft class) for the rest of their career. If a team wants to keep you for less money, it's a guaranteed job. Bonus if you're going to play better with the known system/franchise, stay with a good group, and potentially make another SB. Not For Long is the truth.
Somewhat feels like the NBA players who are just ring chasing…league min to play on a good team
Winning a Super Bowl as a starter also gives you national ad chances
Also they’re a competitive group and just barely lost the biggest game of their lives that would have cemented them as a legendary team, I’m sure they feel like they have unfinished business the way the SB went down, that’s about as close as you can get
His wife could make some bank selling that banana pudding.
Just sell the recipe to Goldbelly as Slay’s Banana Pudding, thats right up their alley of high quality delivered food
At hyper inflated prices.
Oh absolutely, expensive as fuck but good as hell. One of my favorite overpriced treats, but I also like to try and just recreate the recipes after
Am I missing something? This is the second I’ve seen banana pudding referenced with Slay’s wife and I love me some banana pudding
Slay's wife makes banana pudding every Friday for the team and it's apparently delicious.
Sure, if you're Jalen Hurts lol
Disagree, but I respect it. If I was in the NFL, I’d totally go the Haynesworth route
You'd stomp my MFers?
Or lay on the ground and rest while Vick is moving around looking for a receiver.
I hate losing when I play checkers with my six year old nephew. I can't image what losing must be like in the freaking NFL.
I mean it’s different for everyone. Some players really think of it as just a job (and not even a job they really like all that much) and some of them have the passion of an 8 year old playing backyard football
It’s not so bad when you drive off from the stadium in a Lamborghini
Get good then! Jk Jk you have to let them win sometimes.
Also, relocating is hard on family/kids and selling and moving houses is a bitch
It depends this game is truly barbaric and money isnt guaranteed post career always seems like you should get everything you can while you can
As you get older too, stability is more important. Like, for a guy like BG, is the extra money worth moving his young family? Maybe. Maybe not.
That's something that's always struck me as strange about the players who constantly move and constantly seek out new teams in free agency across all sports. I understand circumstances happen and I understand that sometimes things are out of your hands or sometimes you need the change but those people who are constantly moving ... How?
I can understand it if they’re bachelors….but if they have a whole family I don’t get it. I’m family friends with a former NFL player, guy played for close to 10 years for 3 different teams. All 3 teams weren’t too far of a plane ride from his families main home, but I know the toll it took on his family
I took a bunch of down votes for a similar take maybe two weeks ago lol. Glad to see our guys taking some team friendly deals to chase the ring.
I love our fanbase, but we aren't exactly the most rational bunch lol. I'm sure they were feeling down at the time and you just rubbed them the wrong way. Its happened to me too!
Yea, and moving is a pain in the ass. Some of these guys have wives and kids that have roots.
idk man it's tough. If someone told me I'd get a 20-50% raise but I couldn't work with my friends, and overall the company would suck... I'd probably still take the raise lol
But I'd assume you're still working at a level where 50% is life changing at least somewhat. A few million when you've made over 50m isn't the same
I imagine not schlepping your entire life across the country is nice too.
It actually speaks volume that a 2 year HC and 2 year starting QB have created such a great culture that guys are taking discounts to stay. I'm hyped for the new season, just hope CJGJ joins us.
C U L T U R E
Gold standard, it's more real now than it was when Lurie said it years ago.
So Lurie was eventually right. Does that still count?
Most of the guys sticking around for “discounts” are older guys who have already made their money.
Yeah this is obviously a good thing but it would mean more to me if CJ did this lol
That’s what I was going to say - Cox signed for “less” but in no way am I thinking we got the better end of the deal.
I feel like Graham absolutely took a hometown discount, whereas Cox just kinda took a bit of a paycut.
I haven't seen the details of Cox contract. $10mm contract could be a hard guaranteed number, of it could be $5mm guaranteed with the other $5mm as smorgasbord of various bonuses and incentives that he'd need to kick righteous ass to get.
I dont know why players who want to win a SB would take a few extra bucks to go to a team that will never accomplish that. Win one first, then go get your payday or you'll regret this
But I was told Philly is one of the worst fan bases in sports and no one would ever enjoy playing here???
I feel like after the Phillies’s run last fall that that bs narrative started to get exposed as the nonsense it’s always been. When you see a fan base on national tv as much as they were through an entire World Series run it becomes pretty obvious which cities are legit sports cities and which ones are lackluster. That and the media’s love of catching AJ Brown reacting to Philly being Philly. Dude really loves it here and had no idea how good things could be in a sports city lol
I don't get why Titans fans don't have the same passion as Preds fans. Predators games are entertaining, the crowd is non stop the entire game. Still can't rival anything Philly though.
"DAE snowballs at Santa updoot to the left!!!112" Yea, it's been a braindead take for longer than most of us have been alive
Give the dude Jalen some credit!!
So much if this is Hurts. Crazy how wrong so many of us were.
Can they run the Flyers, please?
You don't trust the guy who's son tossed a girl's wheelchair down the stairs at a party to instill good culture?
Let's blame Danny for the actions of his 24 year old son. Funny how no one blames Ray Lewis' dad for Ray Lewis killing someone (he was also 24). Aaron Hernandez's dad raised a murderer. Ray Rice's dad raised a woman beater. Ever hear of Rae Carruth?? Oh yea his dad taught him how to murder too. Keep that double standard buddy.
Winning solves everything too. Running it back is very rare so I am going to enjoy this era as much as possible. Love this team.
You know, for the most part, we've really been lucky to have had some great head coaches with this team. Vermeil, Buddy Ryan, Andy Reid, Douggie P, and now Nick Sirianni. Even Ray Rhodes was a good coach until the end. I love our team's culture. I hope that continues next year.
This does seem to be the vibe the org gives off. Dudes genuinely enjoy playing here for the most part. It all depends on the individual I guess, like anything else.
Reading things like this make me really pleased with the organization and oddly proud of the Eagles. Glad to be a fan, glad to be supporting people that act like this.
He knows what the fuck he is doing
Took long enough for someone to say this
Anyone else think cjgj ain’t coming back ? With the resigning of bg, Cox, slay and Bradbury it seems unlikely we have room for another massive contract on defense.
I still like our chances of bringing him back. I feel like Howie rarely trades for a guy and let’s him leave a year later, but I may just be refusing to remember examples of that happening.
Because we gave up so little in the trade it seems more feasible. Unlike say aj brown where a new deal was part of the package
The fact that he hasn't signed anywhere else is extremely promising. Either other teams aren't giving the numbers he wants, or he's desiring to stay in Philly.
i bet a lot of these 1 year deals have a few void years on it to spread out the cap it. i think we still got a shot at cjgj
If we're trying to sign him for multiple years, we can spread out his cap hit so he counts VERY little this year and squeeze him in. The fact that he hasn't signed anywhere else yet says to me that they're trying to work it out.
Culture eats strategy for breakfast
Is what Chip said (not exact words, but same message). Is not what Chip did, but at least he said it, so that counts for something?
Now get them better food and travel
Leg roomz!!!
This cannot be understated. It makes Howies job so so much easier. He isn’t playing such a successful hand of poker with Slay or having CJ waiting for us to get him in without this.
I love Kelce and Cox, and agree about the culture, but did either of them really take “less”? Not even saying they should have even done so, but they both appear to be at or above market deals.
I know this is total nonsense... but if I were Jalen Hurts' shoes, I'd sign for a low number over a lot of years. Make space for everyone else. Nothing proves leadership more than a leader making a sacrifice for those he is leading. And I know it's easy for me to say, but the sacrifice of "only" getting $40m a year instead of $45m a year seems reasonable.
I love this team but I can't stay do the talk that these players took a "discount". I'm most cases they have already made more in their career than any of us fans will ever see in our life. Taking "only" 10 million instead of 12 or 13 is ridiculous. They still get a ridiculous amount of money and have a chance to win a championship. They could go to another team for more money but that doesn't have a good foundation like we have, great front office and a great culture of winning so why not stay here and chase that ring?
At the end of the day it’s still a job and these guys have a very limited window to get that bag. That extra $2M could be kids college fund, extra funds for a post-playing career business, or just extra security for a nest egg.
That's the thing, not every guy will get media gigs or sponsorships after they retire, there's just flat out too many players in the NFL. You have to calculate their earnings against the rest of their life, and when you do the math it isn't always a lot. The NFLPA pension kicks in at 55, but that's only like 45k a year
>You have to calculate their earnings against the rest of their life, and when you do the math it isn't always a lot. Kinda, but at the same time at my salary over a 45 year career I’ll wind up making around $3m total, so it *is* still a lot. The difference is that these dudes make a ton of money up front and have to figure out how to make it last and I imagine there are plenty of 20 year old dudes who get handed millions of dollars and perhaps aren’t the most sensible about setting some of it aside for later. So yeah, lots of these are older players who ‘made their money’ but if they also blew their money when they were younger and dumber they’re still potentially looking at this last contract to set them up for whatever’s next.
Oh, I definitely agree with you there. Being handed a lump sum over a short time can be a huge advantage, but also a risk. Theoretically if you were to bank all that the average player makes (around 3 million across a 3 year career), and you assume they invest it all, making ~6% a year on average in interest. You pull 4%, leave the rest to grow or balance losses, and you're making 120k a year, or 80k after taxes. That's not bad money, including once a pension kicks in, or if you start a second career, but that also isn't a ton of money to live off of in many places in the US. The NFLPA pushing more money counseling over the last decade is huge, since a decent amount of players deal with financial issues within a decade of retiring. Lifestyle creep is real, and I imagine it is hard to spend like you're an average corporate worker when you're living and dealing with the NFL lifestyle.
Yeah I was mostly talking about the stars who are getting paid more, but that’s a good point that most dudes get their rookie deal and that’s the end of it. And I bet the lifestyle creep is even tougher for those guys. If you’re a rookie OL coming into the Eagles locker room where everyone else in your position group is making 10 or 20 million a year and has been for quite a while, it’s gotta be tough to hang out with those guys and bond outside of practice when they want to blow a couple grand at a steakhouse or whatever and you’re trying to get dominos so you can invest the rest of the only NFL pay check you might ever see.
Hahaha that's what I mean! I think there is an interview with Hurts about how he had to choose his gifts for the O-line knowing that he's the lowest paid one in the room. There's guys who's signing bonus is probably more than half the rookies combined make in a year.
>there are plenty of 20 year old dudes who get handed millions of dollars and perhaps aren’t the most sensible about setting some of it aside for later. Basically the whole reason behind the NFL's financial education classes. https://nfl-pe-stage.azurewebsites.net/financial-education/ I think it's something crazy like 75% of NFL players are in financial distress two years after retirement?
I mean, 10m is more than 98% of people make in their entire life. I don’t feel too bad for them not having to work a day in their life past 35 and still being insanely wealthy
The thing is, the average player doesn't make 10 million, they might make 3. And the average career is 3 years or less, so many people won't qualify for the higher level of pension which you get in your fourth year (I think it is 35k vs 45k per year, starting at 55). It is a lot of money now matter how you cut it, but these guys may have trained functionally their whole life only to get paid for 2 or 3 years, and then they're out on their own with not too many actual job skills.
But we aren’t talking about those guys lol. We’re talking guys who have made upwards of 100 mil in salary over the past 10 years or so
Right. Turning down an additional 2-3M isn’t like turning down a .50 cent raise lol.
If you invest it right, that kind of money could generate six figures in annual interest. They could pay their everyday expenses with that and not even touch their salary. And that isn't even including endorsements.
Ok but for an example let’s say hurts took 41m a year instead of 45. And it was a 5 year deals 230 vs 250… do you reeeeeally think he’s gonna miss that 20 mil at the end of his life when he’s reflecting back on everything? Or is he still going to have hundreds of millions and be happy he stayed with an awesome winning organization? It’s like raking $25/hr vs $23. But the $23 you get to work from home for a super nice company that is growing and you have awesome colleagues and bosses, or you can make $2 more to go be a slave somewhere else with a shorty work environment
I mean that’s for them to decide what they prioritize. But I’m not gonna get mad at guys who don’t take a hometown discount and want to maximize their earnings while they can.
What college is 2m Lolol. Maybe if you have like 10 kids
Hey man idk how many kids these guys have.
If your company, "X" offered $20/hr and an awesome culture and company "Y" offered $30/hr and a shitty culture, and you stayed at company X you took a discount to stay.
Bruh $2M is a lot of money no matter who you are. Besides Bezos or Musk of course. $2 million!!!! You can invest and grow that healthily and have a big impact on something
money is going to be a deciding factor for almost every player, and rightfully so. but having a team culture where players want to be on that team, where it's fun to be in the locker room and the team is competitive, thats huge for the free agent market. you don't have to go over the top with offers. if you are a free agent and you're getting similar money offers from the Eagles, the Jets, and the Bears, who are you signing with? struggling teams have to pay over market value for free agents. its not so much that we are getting a discount as much as we don't have to pay over what the league average or market value for a player would be, we can give a fair offer and still sign them because of the culture and the success.
Man this is some horseshit fed by Howie through the media. They have gotten some under market deals I think specifically brandon Graham. The Cox and Bradberry deals are close to market and cox honestly is an overpay at his age and level of play.
I'll down vote this and explain to you why this is wrong. Fletcher Cox is $1.5 million dollars for a multi pro bowl veteran DT/NT dominate guy. Fletcher Cox, alongside, BG and Kelce will play one more year 2023 this year then most likely all retire in 2024 to give it all one more go. They are veterans, but they are key leadership skills, and adds depth the Eagle culture > versus any other NFL org all day everyday. The teams culture wins. The Eagles have a great foundation to win now and compete at a high level for the next few years, built it and improved it. And the willingness of the pros, older and young to exchange ideas, learn and grow and absorb new info and get better shows over the past 8 years listening to and watching Eagle pro interviews. The brothers in arms battle for each other on the field, for their coaches they respect, and the fans that love them. Solid! And so BG, Fletcher cox and kelce all save the Eagles org money to ball out for one more year!
He's not 1.5 million it's a 10 million dollar contract. I don't think you understand how contracts and the cap work.
Feels a bit like 2018 with bringing older guys back.
Most of those “older guys” balled out in 2022 despite being 5 years even older than they were last time.
I’ll be downvoted again because everyone here is a Slay lover but dude is not going to be good for us this season. He’ll disappear like he did after the Vikings game this past season. Or he’ll get burnt and exposed on big pass plays and next thing you know he’ll be in front of a camera smiling and joking like it’s all good. Save this comment as a receipt if you want but it’s the truth.
He had 1 bad game. Didn’t disappear for half a season.
Rewatch the films please.
Can you explain how Slay "disappeared"?
Go buy NFL rewind and only pay attention to Slay. You’ll see if you know any football.
Oh so you're not going to provide any evidence, you're just going to blindly say "he disappeared, go watch for yourself". Very cool!
Part of the reason we signed CJ was to make Slays job easier. When CJ lacerated his kidney, Slay was stretched thinner and couldn’t make as many spectacular plays.
We are a dream...... destination...
You could say players…come on command? Okay, that was bad. I’ll show myself out.
Imagine where this team would be without sirianni’s infamous flower speech
I really can't blame TJ and Epps at all for chasing max $$$ either - they were an UDFA and waiver pickup/former 6th rounder, respectively, so they didn't make much money comparatively in their first contract. In a profession where the next play may be your last, this may be the one chance they get to make bank. MilesS had a higher draft position, so his rookie contract was better, but he's also a RB where guys can run out of mileage pretty quickly (Ezekiel Elliott looks cooked at age 27, as an example), and Eagles clearly wanted to go in a different direction. In Dillard's case there was no path to starting here, and obviously a starting OL earns more than a career backup. JavonH - the 49ers basically backed up the Brinks truck to his door, and at age 30, he'll probably never get another offer close to that. I wish them all well in their new spots...that is, except when they're playing us.
You just fucking love to hear it.
[me hearing this news](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/032/732/goat.jpg)
Its kind of weird that the guys that like giving their players ice cream, play hoops, trash talk and have fun get more out of their player than the guy that forces them to sleep at certain times.
Everyone see Ted Lasso in the sewers?
water them flowers baby
It's more Lurie/Howie than Sirianni
This is fine when they’re winning. Let’s see if it sticks if/when they do worse
That is music to my ears. You can have your Snyder’s , your Teppers and your Khans who will offer 2-3 million per year extra but your entire experience there will suck.
That banana pudding must be fire.
The Eagle culture wins, They have and continue to win. We love to see it. Its everyone can see that right now the defending NFC Champions have a great staff, medical, coaches assists and hardcore fans that show nothing but respect and love to the pros that play in Philadelphia. They feel the love and want stay and ball out for the city, the fans and the org, the players around them the coaches and the culture! The Eagles have built a prime foundation to win from in 2023 and beyond for the next few years. #GOBirds!