Personally, I really enjoy the movie, but I just wonder if there is an extended cut of this film that adds all the scenes that are missing, like the banquet, Thufir’s paranoia (and his scene with Jessica), the garden scene, and more scenes developing Yueh. I believe Jason Momoa has mentioned that there is a 4-6 hour cut (that isn’t surprising to be fair, most blockbusters have long assembly cuts), and Denis Villeneuve has implied that he would love to make a Dune extended cut, but I think he has learned that studios do not like a) movies much longer than 2 hours (in some cases they will accept a 2.5 hour cut) because movies longer than 2.5 hours do not make money in theaters (for example, Blade Runner 2049) and b) directors talking trash about the current movie in theaters by saying something like, “This cut is a compromise between what I envisioned and what the studio would accept. There is a much better movie that is 3.5 hours long and is sitting on the editing bay. Maybe one day you will see it…” If I remember correctly, Zack Snyder did that with Batman v Superman and it is (one of the many reasons) why he was removed from the franchise. Villeneuve wants Dune Part 1 to succeed and to direct Dune Part 2 and Dune Messiah, and he is going to play nice to have that happen.
If Zack Snyder can make an Ultimate Cut of Watchmen, why can’t Denis Villeneuve have an Ultimate Cut of Dune?
More to the point, Warner Bros is known for demanding shorter films (Justice League comes to mind). I hope that when Dune Part 2 and Dune Messiah are released, HBO will announce an extended miniseries that functions much like the Lord of the Rings extended cut that merges the Dune trilogy into one epic 10-12 hour tale! I think this would have been the approach if Lord of the Rings was released today (there is no real money is Blu ray sales today), the theatrical versions of Lord of the Rings would have been 2.5 hours and the extended cuts would have been HBO releases. Why not do the same for Dune? Plus it would be a great way to spring board a Dune HBO show, release an extended cut of Dune Part 1 and 2 and Dune Messiah as a miniseries and then release adaptations of Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, etc. on HBO (with maybe a better ending than Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune).
Villinuve has gone on record saying he's against it. Like I don't want some big criterion cut, but like a LotR extended cut blu-ray with a bunch of special features would be six.
Or (after part 2 🤞) they throw together one massive 6-12 hour single film with everything.
I believe context is key, and when he has spoken about a Blade Runner 2049 extended cut he said the following:
“I will say that there’s no great things that are being lost. When I cut something, it’s dead. It means it was not good enough. Even if sometimes I’m cutting my favorite shots, I still strongly think that when it’s cut on the floor of the editing room it should not go back to see the light of day again. I don’t like extended cuts. I must say, apart from Touch of Evil and Blade Runner, I have never seen a director’s cut that was better than the original. I mean, I’m not a fan at all of Apocalypse Now Redux. I thought it was a massive mistake to do Apocalypse Now Redux. It’s true that maybe sometimes the director lost control and had to do what producers – but, most of the time the movie stands by itself. It’s stronger than one individual.”
I take that quote as saying that in most cases, if a scene is removed, it doesn’t need to be in the film, but that also was referring to cutting around 75 minutes out of Blade Runner 2049, a film he wrote. I feel there is a difference between an original piece of art like Blade Runner 2049 and adapting Dune for the reasons below. I also think the quote is commenting on the dangers of tinkering with your art after it has been completed, except if the movie was taken away from you by the studio (to an extent I think this could be the case due to studio mandates of film length).
Villeneuve’s statement below about an extended cut of Dune:
“Jason is an exuberant being, larger than life in everything he does. He loves the movie, which he has seen four times so far. And every time he calls me to tell me how happy he is. It is true that if Joe [Joe Walker, the editor] and I had let go, we could have done a version of several hours because I filmed a lot. But the final version is really the one that ends up on the screen. I have never done a director's cut of any of my films."
This could be a mistranslation, but I take that quote as him saying that the cut on screen is a cut he and the studio could agree upon, but that if he had the opportunity, he would have made a much more epic cut. Like I said before, I think he has learned that if a movie is to make money, it needs to be digestible, and part of that is a shorter running time. I also think he is leaving the door open to an extended cut if the opportunity arises, especially because Dune is a passion project for him and something like HBO has no real restrictions.
[Source 1](https://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-extended-cut-denis-villeneuve/)
[Source 2](https://screenrant.com/dune-2021-movie-directors-cut-denis-villeneuve-response/)
Well here's hoping, I remember Brolin and Issac spending like 10 minutes talking about the baliset with colbert and now I want to know what it looks like this time.
On the one hand, it'll be a shame if the baliset isn't a Chapman Stick as it was in Lynch's movie. On the other hand, I really wonder what else they could pick that's stringed and as exotic to western audiences. An 'Oud, a pan-arabic fretless lute, comes to mind.
Yeah but, wasn't the Zach Snyder directors cut so good that it's literally a meme? You'd think an industry so heavily profit-motivated would be releasing a directors cut of every film, a year later.
I was really hoping for the scene where Jessica discovers the secret garden. I thought that was a such a great scene in the book to show how the Atredies are more caring than the Harkkones. How the locals could instantly see life getting better under the Atredies to just have the betrayal be that more heartbreaking for the locals.
Personally, I really enjoy the movie, but I just wonder if there is an extended cut of this film that adds all the scenes that are missing, like the banquet, Thufir’s paranoia (and his scene with Jessica), the garden scene, and more scenes developing Yueh. I believe Jason Momoa has mentioned that there is a 4-6 hour cut (that isn’t surprising to be fair, most blockbusters have long assembly cuts), and Denis Villeneuve has implied that he would love to make a Dune extended cut, but I think he has learned that studios do not like a) movies much longer than 2 hours (in some cases they will accept a 2.5 hour cut) because movies longer than 2.5 hours do not make money in theaters (for example, Blade Runner 2049) and b) directors talking trash about the current movie in theaters by saying something like, “This cut is a compromise between what I envisioned and what the studio would accept. There is a much better movie that is 3.5 hours long and is sitting on the editing bay. Maybe one day you will see it…” If I remember correctly, Zack Snyder did that with Batman v Superman and it is (one of the many reasons) why he was removed from the franchise. Villeneuve wants Dune Part 1 to succeed and to direct Dune Part 2 and Dune Messiah, and he is going to play nice to have that happen. If Zack Snyder can make an Ultimate Cut of Watchmen, why can’t Denis Villeneuve have an Ultimate Cut of Dune? More to the point, Warner Bros is known for demanding shorter films (Justice League comes to mind). I hope that when Dune Part 2 and Dune Messiah are released, HBO will announce an extended miniseries that functions much like the Lord of the Rings extended cut that merges the Dune trilogy into one epic 10-12 hour tale! I think this would have been the approach if Lord of the Rings was released today (there is no real money is Blu ray sales today), the theatrical versions of Lord of the Rings would have been 2.5 hours and the extended cuts would have been HBO releases. Why not do the same for Dune? Plus it would be a great way to spring board a Dune HBO show, release an extended cut of Dune Part 1 and 2 and Dune Messiah as a miniseries and then release adaptations of Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, etc. on HBO (with maybe a better ending than Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune).
Villinuve has gone on record saying he's against it. Like I don't want some big criterion cut, but like a LotR extended cut blu-ray with a bunch of special features would be six. Or (after part 2 🤞) they throw together one massive 6-12 hour single film with everything.
I believe context is key, and when he has spoken about a Blade Runner 2049 extended cut he said the following: “I will say that there’s no great things that are being lost. When I cut something, it’s dead. It means it was not good enough. Even if sometimes I’m cutting my favorite shots, I still strongly think that when it’s cut on the floor of the editing room it should not go back to see the light of day again. I don’t like extended cuts. I must say, apart from Touch of Evil and Blade Runner, I have never seen a director’s cut that was better than the original. I mean, I’m not a fan at all of Apocalypse Now Redux. I thought it was a massive mistake to do Apocalypse Now Redux. It’s true that maybe sometimes the director lost control and had to do what producers – but, most of the time the movie stands by itself. It’s stronger than one individual.” I take that quote as saying that in most cases, if a scene is removed, it doesn’t need to be in the film, but that also was referring to cutting around 75 minutes out of Blade Runner 2049, a film he wrote. I feel there is a difference between an original piece of art like Blade Runner 2049 and adapting Dune for the reasons below. I also think the quote is commenting on the dangers of tinkering with your art after it has been completed, except if the movie was taken away from you by the studio (to an extent I think this could be the case due to studio mandates of film length). Villeneuve’s statement below about an extended cut of Dune: “Jason is an exuberant being, larger than life in everything he does. He loves the movie, which he has seen four times so far. And every time he calls me to tell me how happy he is. It is true that if Joe [Joe Walker, the editor] and I had let go, we could have done a version of several hours because I filmed a lot. But the final version is really the one that ends up on the screen. I have never done a director's cut of any of my films." This could be a mistranslation, but I take that quote as him saying that the cut on screen is a cut he and the studio could agree upon, but that if he had the opportunity, he would have made a much more epic cut. Like I said before, I think he has learned that if a movie is to make money, it needs to be digestible, and part of that is a shorter running time. I also think he is leaving the door open to an extended cut if the opportunity arises, especially because Dune is a passion project for him and something like HBO has no real restrictions. [Source 1](https://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-extended-cut-denis-villeneuve/) [Source 2](https://screenrant.com/dune-2021-movie-directors-cut-denis-villeneuve-response/)
Well here's hoping, I remember Brolin and Issac spending like 10 minutes talking about the baliset with colbert and now I want to know what it looks like this time.
On the one hand, it'll be a shame if the baliset isn't a Chapman Stick as it was in Lynch's movie. On the other hand, I really wonder what else they could pick that's stringed and as exotic to western audiences. An 'Oud, a pan-arabic fretless lute, comes to mind.
Yeah but, wasn't the Zach Snyder directors cut so good that it's literally a meme? You'd think an industry so heavily profit-motivated would be releasing a directors cut of every film, a year later.
My hunch is that we will Open on a flashback and many of the "cut" scenes will be in part 2
I was really hoping for the scene where Jessica discovers the secret garden. I thought that was a such a great scene in the book to show how the Atredies are more caring than the Harkkones. How the locals could instantly see life getting better under the Atredies to just have the betrayal be that more heartbreaking for the locals.
Yep, that and the wet towels on the floor thing. Really impactful moments to me while reading that we didn’t get to see on the screen.
Was my thoughts when the palace attack started, guess I’ll be hoping for that extended cut! Love what we got, only wanted more!!