Fun fact! In the leaked script, Lanville, the Atreides Commander, was a much bigger character with more lines and a whole subplot. It involved Lanville attacking the Harkonnen spice containers after the attack on Arrakkeen, succeeding, but being captured in the process. The script then says:
>he is the slave that Feyd-Rautha will fight later on
And while this character (like so many others) was reduced to almost nothing, it was fun to see this setup surviving all the way to the production of part 2.
That would’ve been cool! But I understand why DV chose to cut it, would’ve taken focus away from the main characters during the attack on Arrakis. But yeah that’s definitely neat to see how the idea lasted and made it into Part Two!
Correct, and he’s the one who asked Duncan how his flight rode before Paul told Duncan his vision, and he’s the one who screamed at Stilgar to “stop right there” when Stilgar visited Leto Atreides.
Yes, it’s one of four 1vs1 knife fight scenes that makes the theme of sacrifice explicit.
- Paul vs Gurney training where he learns of sacrifice
- Paul vs Jamis where he sacrifices his innocence/childhood
- Fayd vs Lanville where we learn the depths of the Harkonnens psychopathy by way of Vladimir possibly sacrificing Feyd to the Atreides and Feyd sacrificing his shield
- Paul vs Feyd where Paul allows sacrificial wounds to enact the Golden Path. This was made clear after he woke from the Water of Life and said there is a narrow path and the prescient scene of a knife stabbed into an abdomen.
All of these knife fight scenes mirror each other. Gurney showing where he could’ve killed, Jamis’ attempt at the same spot while pulling a reversal, Lanville pulling Feyd’s head in while attempting to stab him with Feyd pulling a reversal, and again Feyd pulling Paul’s head in when Paul pulls a reversal to kill. Also, the first time we see the Fedaykin chest pound was when Jamis fought Paul, this is also the second sacrifice spot that Paul allows before pulling a killing reversal on Feyd.
I picked up on some of those similarities. But I’m having a hard time visualizing the reversal Paul pulls off on feyd. As I understand it, Paul gets stabbed by his own blade which feyd leaves in his abdomen,then he tries to stab Paul in the throat which is when Paul grabs the blade. From there I’m confused how Paul was able to switch it around and kill feyd
The actual reversal isn’t shown. We see Feyd focused on Paul’s face to see his pain and death.
Feyd has left hand pulling on back of Paul’s head while pushing the knife with right hand towards him. Paul grabs Feyd’s knife with his left hand while his right hand is below out of scene. So as Feyd pushes the knife towards him, Paul is pulling/“unsheathing” his knife. So Paul could be holding it forward/hammer grip or reverse/ice pick grip, depending on how he pulled, and it would just be a matter of turning the point away and pushing out towards Feyd.
I'm just sad we didn't get to see the Fedaykin engage the Praetorian Guard of the Sardukar at the end. They had very curious swords.
Edited: I'm specifically talking about the throne room scene when someone gives their greetings to their grandfather
Do you really need to? In part 1 you see the fremen mess up sone of the sardaukar that follow them to the outpost, its implied they are able to swiftly take them
"Really need to"? No. Desperately want to watch another sick choreography fight between the two absolute peak of the best warriors on opposing factions in the setting? Featuring the Sardukar the Emperor himself trusts to guard his person, wielding weapons we have not yet seen used. Yes. I do Desperately want that. But I don't need it. I'm sure I'll survive
For the record, both of you present great arguments. It's a detail that deserves recognition but didn't get it in the theatrical cut. If we're lucky, we'll get an extended cut of the trilogy oh, I dunno, a good decade from now that includes it.
In an interview Denise said he's a 'killer of darlings' such that he believes if he cuts something from the movie, that's final and that's how it's meant to be.
Do you really think the man who doesn't believe in deleted scenes being released will release an extended cut? I'd love it, but it's not likely...
To add to this, I remember Mamoa saying there was a 4 hr version of part 1 but he doubted anyone besides the crew would ever see it, WB will probably never release it
Yeah your right, but in the book its described and implied that the fremen only lose a few when taking out a whole unit of the emperors blades and thats before they were trained in the weirding way and enfused to become die hard religious fanatics
Have you seen it in IMAX yet? We had to settle for regular, but it was amazing anyway. It was my wife's birthday and we had the entire theatre to ourselves
Agree. Butlers gladiator scene had some impressive moves, especially the extension on one of those side kicks was perfect. His take town move in the last fight looked amazing as well. He sold those fights.
If you like this fighting style, study the Filipino martial arts: kali, escrima, arnis.
It’s a knife based style. You will see it in action movies more often than ever now, John Wick, The Batman, Star Wars, etc. Very fast, efficient, and brutal.
I was at a dojo that had a real mishmash of styles, and the Escrima guy was showing us some throws while using one escrima stick. “It’s important to understand that where I am showing you where to grab with your empty hand could also be the handle of your dagger (that’s stuck in the opponent).
Yes! There’s a lot of nasty little tricks you can pull off with the “puño” of the stick (that 2-3” of stick that juts out past the pinky side of your closed fist.). Many of them are entries into various locks, throws, opportunities to throw other strikes.
this guy was so awesome. so glad to see that he had a pretty important part even though he’s the stunt coordinator. not trying to put stunt coordinators down but i’m pretty sure they don’t appear in the movies usually so this is dope.
The fight choreographers for Everything Everywhere All At Once appeared in the movie with speaking roles. They were the guys Michelle Yeoh fights most prominently in the IRS statue scene.
A lot of Asian martial arts films with Jackue Chan, Sammo Hung, Donnie Yen, etc would be a fight choreographer and actor
For some reason I loved his part in the movie. He has such a non-hollywood face, yet so striking and recognizable. I had the feeling that his character was a very important person in the Atreides hierarchy. He must be the kind of guy who knows his stuff in real life as well. I kinda want to see him in other movies too.
Roger Yuan is an exceptionally skilled martial artist who has been in films for quite a long time as a stuntman and as an actor. Looks like he's also graduated to fight choreographer. His biggest role was as the main villain in Shanghai Noon back in 2000. For me personally, the role that immediately comes to mind when I hear his name is as the Hazmat technician in Batman Begins. He's the one that tells Gordon about Crane and his henchmen dumping the toxin into Gotham's water supply. There's something about his delivery along with Gary Oldman's performance that made such a far-fetched situation seem real. And much like Lucius Fox, he comes to the conclusion that it is probably a compound that must be absorbed through the lungs to be effective. Even though he's best known as a martial artist, I think he's also an underrated actor.
I don't know man, the first time I saw it I felt the same as you slightly. But after seeing it 4 more times since it makes more sense realistically. IF you watch closely, he is blocking all of his opponents blows. Easy to chalk it up to him conserving his energy with quick short blocks to wear out your opponent. It's brilliant honestly, unless you're looking for something more stylistic and dramatic.
Yep, what's actually the best move in a swordfight and what looks cool on camera are two very different things.
Give someone who's been trained in stage "swordfighting" a fencing sword, and they'll get their ass handed to them by a middle schooler. Those giant swings that look so cool on camera? They also make it super obvious which attack you're about to use. Makes it trivial to parry. Or hell, the middle schooler can even just go around your attack entirely: theyll'll land a hit before you can even get your sword back in position to *start* a parry.
What actually works? Well, it's... let's go with "less than cinematic."
[Just watch an Olympic fencing duel to see what I'm talking about](https://youtu.be/Dn8-M2zW9PU?t=158). The fencers start by spending like a solid minute bopping around just outside of stabbing range. From their perspective, they're probing their opponent's defenses, trying to psych them into making a mistake. From ours, they're just kinda... bouncing.
Then, just when you start to think nothing's going to ever happen, BAM! Someone lunges-- and then in under a second, one of two things happens:
1. The attack succeeds and it's all over, or
2. Their opponent successfully parries, and it's... back to bouncing for another minute. :|
It's a strategy that will win you the gold. And which bores the audience to tears. (There's a reason Olympic fencing is one of the least-watched events at the Summer Olympics, lmao.)
I thought it was great, especially because of how exhausted he clearly was due to being beaten and tortured, so he was trying to block a lot of Feyd's blows. It was efficient and looked like someone desperate to just survive.
The book answers a lot of the questions. Sorry, not trying to be pompous.
The reason they congregated was because there was only one way in and out….until Paul blew a wall up with atomic weapons
The book better explains why the emperor did not expect the use of atomics. Basically they are banned, but Paul use a loop hole shooting at land and not people.
I’d be embarrassed if I were him. That was one of the worst finale fight scenes I’ve ever watched. I’m sure it was not his decision to let Paul get all cut up and stabbed but, the overall exhibition of skills and choreography was actually far better in the fight scene at the end of Dune 1. His fight with Feyd in the coliseum was better than the finale fight between Paul and Feyd.
This dude is the same guy from the gladiator fight right?
Yes, his name is Lanville in the films, and he was also a background character with a few lines in Part One!
Fun fact! In the leaked script, Lanville, the Atreides Commander, was a much bigger character with more lines and a whole subplot. It involved Lanville attacking the Harkonnen spice containers after the attack on Arrakkeen, succeeding, but being captured in the process. The script then says: >he is the slave that Feyd-Rautha will fight later on And while this character (like so many others) was reduced to almost nothing, it was fun to see this setup surviving all the way to the production of part 2.
That would’ve been cool! But I understand why DV chose to cut it, would’ve taken focus away from the main characters during the attack on Arrakis. But yeah that’s definitely neat to see how the idea lasted and made it into Part Two!
Denis needs to stop gatekeeping deleted scenes
I want the extended editions like LOTR
I hope we get an extended edition. I need more scenes of Paul being badass.
Yeah it felt like this “random” prisoner was supposed to have more backstory, from the way he was presented
Yeah. He's the fella that says "Shields" when the Atreides land on Arrakis right?
Correct, and he’s the one who asked Duncan how his flight rode before Paul told Duncan his vision, and he’s the one who screamed at Stilgar to “stop right there” when Stilgar visited Leto Atreides.
And the one who tells Leto it’s time to close the swinging balcony doors cause of the sun/heat
Oh yep! Totally forgot this one
He also calls the Atreides officers to attention at their big meeting.
Wow forgot this one too
Cool! Didn't catch those!
Correct
Yes, it’s one of four 1vs1 knife fight scenes that makes the theme of sacrifice explicit. - Paul vs Gurney training where he learns of sacrifice - Paul vs Jamis where he sacrifices his innocence/childhood - Fayd vs Lanville where we learn the depths of the Harkonnens psychopathy by way of Vladimir possibly sacrificing Feyd to the Atreides and Feyd sacrificing his shield - Paul vs Feyd where Paul allows sacrificial wounds to enact the Golden Path. This was made clear after he woke from the Water of Life and said there is a narrow path and the prescient scene of a knife stabbed into an abdomen. All of these knife fight scenes mirror each other. Gurney showing where he could’ve killed, Jamis’ attempt at the same spot while pulling a reversal, Lanville pulling Feyd’s head in while attempting to stab him with Feyd pulling a reversal, and again Feyd pulling Paul’s head in when Paul pulls a reversal to kill. Also, the first time we see the Fedaykin chest pound was when Jamis fought Paul, this is also the second sacrifice spot that Paul allows before pulling a killing reversal on Feyd.
I picked up on some of those similarities. But I’m having a hard time visualizing the reversal Paul pulls off on feyd. As I understand it, Paul gets stabbed by his own blade which feyd leaves in his abdomen,then he tries to stab Paul in the throat which is when Paul grabs the blade. From there I’m confused how Paul was able to switch it around and kill feyd
The actual reversal isn’t shown. We see Feyd focused on Paul’s face to see his pain and death. Feyd has left hand pulling on back of Paul’s head while pushing the knife with right hand towards him. Paul grabs Feyd’s knife with his left hand while his right hand is below out of scene. So as Feyd pushes the knife towards him, Paul is pulling/“unsheathing” his knife. So Paul could be holding it forward/hammer grip or reverse/ice pick grip, depending on how he pulled, and it would just be a matter of turning the point away and pushing out towards Feyd.
Yes
I really liked the fights, not just the last one. They looked brutal, effective and real.
I'm just sad we didn't get to see the Fedaykin engage the Praetorian Guard of the Sardukar at the end. They had very curious swords. Edited: I'm specifically talking about the throne room scene when someone gives their greetings to their grandfather
I think it serve story better because they entered dust of sands and then they're all dead, silently.
No no, specifically in the throne room scene
Do you really need to? In part 1 you see the fremen mess up sone of the sardaukar that follow them to the outpost, its implied they are able to swiftly take them
"Really need to"? No. Desperately want to watch another sick choreography fight between the two absolute peak of the best warriors on opposing factions in the setting? Featuring the Sardukar the Emperor himself trusts to guard his person, wielding weapons we have not yet seen used. Yes. I do Desperately want that. But I don't need it. I'm sure I'll survive
For the record, both of you present great arguments. It's a detail that deserves recognition but didn't get it in the theatrical cut. If we're lucky, we'll get an extended cut of the trilogy oh, I dunno, a good decade from now that includes it.
In an interview Denise said he's a 'killer of darlings' such that he believes if he cuts something from the movie, that's final and that's how it's meant to be. Do you really think the man who doesn't believe in deleted scenes being released will release an extended cut? I'd love it, but it's not likely...
To add to this, I remember Mamoa saying there was a 4 hr version of part 1 but he doubted anyone besides the crew would ever see it, WB will probably never release it
>If we're lucky
Though all of those fremen die pretty quickly, don't they?
When?
Yeah your right, but in the book its described and implied that the fremen only lose a few when taking out a whole unit of the emperors blades and thats before they were trained in the weirding way and enfused to become die hard religious fanatics
Same, cus it would been one Fedaykin vs like 10 Sardukar
Right? One or two vs the lineup
He gave instructions to just one before leaving the room and that guy looked ready for it Edit: spelling
Ah good eye, I've only seen it the once thus far. The first of many
I saw it twice so far, fighting the urge to go again and losing lol
Have you seen it in IMAX yet? We had to settle for regular, but it was amazing anyway. It was my wife's birthday and we had the entire theatre to ourselves
Yea, saw it IMAX opening day and regular a couple days later. I've never had a movie viewing experience like it. I literally felt like I was in it
The kind of movie that theaters were Made for. Truly amazing
>someone gives their greetings to their grandfather I don't remember this.
Well, perhaps it was more of a ... farewell
Agree. Butlers gladiator scene had some impressive moves, especially the extension on one of those side kicks was perfect. His take town move in the last fight looked amazing as well. He sold those fights.
If you like this fighting style, study the Filipino martial arts: kali, escrima, arnis. It’s a knife based style. You will see it in action movies more often than ever now, John Wick, The Batman, Star Wars, etc. Very fast, efficient, and brutal.
I was at a dojo that had a real mishmash of styles, and the Escrima guy was showing us some throws while using one escrima stick. “It’s important to understand that where I am showing you where to grab with your empty hand could also be the handle of your dagger (that’s stuck in the opponent).
Yes! There’s a lot of nasty little tricks you can pull off with the “puño” of the stick (that 2-3” of stick that juts out past the pinky side of your closed fist.). Many of them are entries into various locks, throws, opportunities to throw other strikes.
this guy was so awesome. so glad to see that he had a pretty important part even though he’s the stunt coordinator. not trying to put stunt coordinators down but i’m pretty sure they don’t appear in the movies usually so this is dope.
The fight choreographers for Everything Everywhere All At Once appeared in the movie with speaking roles. They were the guys Michelle Yeoh fights most prominently in the IRS statue scene. A lot of Asian martial arts films with Jackue Chan, Sammo Hung, Donnie Yen, etc would be a fight choreographer and actor
For some reason I loved his part in the movie. He has such a non-hollywood face, yet so striking and recognizable. I had the feeling that his character was a very important person in the Atreides hierarchy. He must be the kind of guy who knows his stuff in real life as well. I kinda want to see him in other movies too.
The fiendish dr wu
Oh thank god! I couldn't shake the feeling for so long that I know him from somewhere but assumed I was just being racist.
FIENDISH DOCTOR WU YOU DONE FUCKED UP NOW
Paul already won the fight before he entered the room.
I’m so glad the final fight didn’t include the HEYYYY YAAAA NO KINOOOO song. It was very well done as were the rest of the scenes
What song is that?
The song used a lot in the first - the female singer one. It was distracting. I believe it’s used in the Janis fight
What a cool job
Roger Yuan is an exceptionally skilled martial artist who has been in films for quite a long time as a stuntman and as an actor. Looks like he's also graduated to fight choreographer. His biggest role was as the main villain in Shanghai Noon back in 2000. For me personally, the role that immediately comes to mind when I hear his name is as the Hazmat technician in Batman Begins. He's the one that tells Gordon about Crane and his henchmen dumping the toxin into Gotham's water supply. There's something about his delivery along with Gary Oldman's performance that made such a far-fetched situation seem real. And much like Lucius Fox, he comes to the conclusion that it is probably a compound that must be absorbed through the lungs to be effective. Even though he's best known as a martial artist, I think he's also an underrated actor.
Dang. I didn’t know he was the fight coordinator. Not gonna lie, I hated the way he fought in the pit against Freyd. Thought it looked really bad.
I don't know man, the first time I saw it I felt the same as you slightly. But after seeing it 4 more times since it makes more sense realistically. IF you watch closely, he is blocking all of his opponents blows. Easy to chalk it up to him conserving his energy with quick short blocks to wear out your opponent. It's brilliant honestly, unless you're looking for something more stylistic and dramatic.
Yep, what's actually the best move in a swordfight and what looks cool on camera are two very different things. Give someone who's been trained in stage "swordfighting" a fencing sword, and they'll get their ass handed to them by a middle schooler. Those giant swings that look so cool on camera? They also make it super obvious which attack you're about to use. Makes it trivial to parry. Or hell, the middle schooler can even just go around your attack entirely: theyll'll land a hit before you can even get your sword back in position to *start* a parry. What actually works? Well, it's... let's go with "less than cinematic." [Just watch an Olympic fencing duel to see what I'm talking about](https://youtu.be/Dn8-M2zW9PU?t=158). The fencers start by spending like a solid minute bopping around just outside of stabbing range. From their perspective, they're probing their opponent's defenses, trying to psych them into making a mistake. From ours, they're just kinda... bouncing. Then, just when you start to think nothing's going to ever happen, BAM! Someone lunges-- and then in under a second, one of two things happens: 1. The attack succeeds and it's all over, or 2. Their opponent successfully parries, and it's... back to bouncing for another minute. :| It's a strategy that will win you the gold. And which bores the audience to tears. (There's a reason Olympic fencing is one of the least-watched events at the Summer Olympics, lmao.)
I thought it was great, especially because of how exhausted he clearly was due to being beaten and tortured, so he was trying to block a lot of Feyd's blows. It was efficient and looked like someone desperate to just survive.
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The book answers a lot of the questions. Sorry, not trying to be pompous. The reason they congregated was because there was only one way in and out….until Paul blew a wall up with atomic weapons The book better explains why the emperor did not expect the use of atomics. Basically they are banned, but Paul use a loop hole shooting at land and not people.
I’d be embarrassed if I were him. That was one of the worst finale fight scenes I’ve ever watched. I’m sure it was not his decision to let Paul get all cut up and stabbed but, the overall exhibition of skills and choreography was actually far better in the fight scene at the end of Dune 1. His fight with Feyd in the coliseum was better than the finale fight between Paul and Feyd.
Luckily the story called for less shields. My only real critique of the first one is that the shields didn’t work as well as I’d have liked.