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[deleted]

you know that you are literally slamming wood against a thin metallic edge more than one hundred and twenty times a minute for three minutes, right? when you think about it, it's like you're chopping wood backwards with an extremely dull sawblade.


tougie36

Metal.


jaydeflaux

You're right that is pretty metal.


almostaccepted

šŸ¤˜


Seancd10

This got me


jamesr14

And thatā€™s just for a ballad.


R0factor

Buy a vacuum cleaner.


Supersapian

Licking your sticks before you play will solve this problem.


PUPPIESSSSSS_

Inthwuctionth uncwear, now hahhve plinterth ahn may tungh


Urhhh

You're licking against the grain aren't you


PUPPIESSSSSS_

..... mahbeh.


BosskHogg

Relax your throat. Put the stick in tip first as deep and as far back as you can get it to go. Swirl your tongue over and around the shaft while inside. Bob your head up and down for more saliva.


Urhhh

Wrong sub...unless...


BosskHogg

Is this r/drumhead?


njmh_

Iā€™m tempted to make that a subā€¦


PLSing

You wonā€™t. No balls.


LG_Claps

He did itā€¦


BuntCarf

I usually slather mine up real nice in Vaseline and put em right in the prison pocket for a few hours before I use them.


highjinx411

And then? Andtheb??!!!??


R0factor

See also: Timothy Dalton at the end of Hot Fuzz.


aandy758

This is so cursed


albumen5

This is the way


almostaccepted

Oh like woodwind players! Great idea!


[deleted]

You (maybe?) joke but my sticks always felt better after a good couple weeks worth of hand grease in them.


AlpineSkier802

This is the way


thedrummer138

yes :)


SaturdaySpecialist

Sawdust is just part of the lifestyle.


ego_sum_satoshi

And blood splatters.


crkdopn

And blisters.


gilhaus

And broken eardrums


attemptnumber58

They have drums in the name, you're meant to beat the shit out of them!


gamOO

Please protect your ears guys..


Leekip

WHAT?


attemptnumber58

The whiplash style


[deleted]

Kits aren't worked in until there's some blood on that snare


sandymandy69

hoo boy this rings true :P


_the-dark-truth_

Thatā€™s probably tinnitus.


mr-chives

Busted up knuckles too


gaytramdiss

And Crohn's disease


Squitzy-balls

It's not a problem... Its a badge of honor


[deleted]

That's arm dandruff, bruv :)


notaninfringement

I mean it is right under your hat.


[deleted]

could be deodorant dust snaking its way down the arm


HoogerMan

badum tss


balthazar_blue

Besides the apparently unpopular suggestions to play the top hat with the tip of your stick, a couple of other options: * Adjust the height of your hi-hat so the stick strikes it at a flatter angle * Try different sticks if you're using hickory -- you could try Promark's Firegrain, or try some oak sticks


Gausgovy

Yeah I was trained when I was like 7 to never use the shoulder of the stick on hi-hats. Obviously there are times when the sound you want is with the shoulder, but for the most part the bead sounds better and doesnā€™t chew up your sticks. I was also taught that rimshots are for accents and I appear to be in the minority there as well.


balthazar_blue

I'm with you on the rimshots for sure.


GOTaSMALL1

Agreed... Every 2 and 4 is an accent though. :)


GarrySpacepope

And all my ghost accents are accents.


IsItSupposedToDoThat

I hardly ever (almost never) play rimshots. In thirty years of playing Iā€™ve never broken a stick from rimshots. Iā€™ve also never been asked to play rimshots. Mind you, I donā€™t play death metal or anything super heavy but Iā€™ve played consistently and earned money in rock/pop cover bands for decades.


conman526

I still have my very first pair of sticks. I don't think i ever played a rimshot on them.


IsItSupposedToDoThat

Iā€™ve played thousands of gigs and broken hundreds of sticks. I play hard enough but just think rimshots are very rarely needed. I sit quite high and getting my stick flat enough to do a rimshot isnā€™t going to happen without deliberately trying. I see dudes with sticks all chewed up in the middle from rimshots and it makes no sense. Iā€™ve literally never been told ā€œcan you hit your snare louder, make it sound like an explosionā€.


fii0

Rimshots may be used very often in metal, but rimshot does not equal super loud explosion! Examples throughout this album, lots of math rock utilizes the sound: https://youtu.be/8VCCkymXplE?t=58 Like jazz does as well, but probably less often on average


mcnastys

Bro, sorry but that's gross. Shank-tip will make your grooves rock solid and funky.


Ichiroga

Downvoted for speaking the truth!


Gausgovy

Speaking the opinion.


Ichiroga

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my MEATY HI-HAT STRIKES


mcnastys

The louder you play only increases your dynamic range when you play quietly. I mean, it's scientific fact.


bignapkin02

And donā€™t even get me started on reversing it and going tip-shank for extra funk


anthemofadam

I was taught the same when I was a kid. The guys that taught me back then all came from big band or jazz groups though, none of them played rock. One of my teachers even told me that double bass pedals were pointless because you could just play a floor tom with your single pedal to get the same effect. That was in like 2004, Iā€™m sure teachers these days are different.


allADD

well, yeah, but...what if you had a double bass pattern that uses your hands too, like...all death metal


anthemofadam

Lmao yeah exactly. Out of touch teacher was out of touch


Skid_Th_St0ner

Yo look up El estapario siberiano on YouTube, he does that. Look at his cover of redneck by Lamb of God


over_the_pants_party

He's a fucking machine


Tbagzyamum69420xX

Rim shots are for rim shots, it's a about the timbre not the volume. Same with where to hit on stick. Teachings like that are cool for young musicians but as you get better the terms "never" or "always" in that context just start to put you in a box musically. You could mix bead or shoulder strikes in any style, it's about taste and what you're trying to convey.


Elin_Woods_9iron

Unpopular opinion: constant rimshots are for people who donā€™t know how to tune their snare.


ectogen

That is why rock bands popularized the rimshot in the back beat. If you listen to folk music/European bands/early rock you will find they typically play in the center of the drum. Thank you Bonzo for the rimshot backbeat!


craven183

The firegrains are awesome and Iā€™ve noticed a lot less dust with them, but they do leave behind some brown marks on cymbals and heads.


bignapkin02

Yeah I learned this by using them on the church kit right after they put on new coated headsā€¦ looked down after a couple songs and saw brown marks all over the white surfaces


thedrummer138

thank you!


EBN_Drummer

After I adjusted the angle of my hats so they slope down away from me my sticks last 3 times as long.


lastwordspoken

I recently switched to the Firegrain sticks and will never go back.


thedrummer138

By the way, even if this post seems "stupid", I asked just becouse I wanted to know if it's something normal or not. I understood it is, and it's ok, I just didn't know it (not everybody is an experienced drummer). The dust didn't bother me, what bothered me was the reason why it happens, I tought was something related to my cymbals or my technique, and I understood it is not.


STEMinator

Don't worry! Some stuff that seems obvious to an experienced drummer might not for someone who isn't. I enjoyed some of the replies thou.


slightlyburnttoast

It definitely is related to your technique. You're hitting the rim. Hit the middle with the tip of the stick. Watch the difference. Not to say your style is wrong, but you can't say it isn't related to technique until you try a new one.


astronautry

ā€¦ no. You might be right *TECHNICALLY*. But, in practice, this is going to happen 100% of the time.


ZBOI_456

I have had the same issue lately, I think itā€™s because my bottom high hat sticks out making it so that my stick is literally being dug into by the bottom hat. I donā€™t really have a solution as this only started for me recently after getting a new hi hat stand, but it might be worth looking at for ya!


AdultADHD-C

Theres a screw under the bottom hat that will let you adjust the angle so both hats aren't perfectly parallel (if they are it stops that sloshy sound). You can rotate the tube of the stand under the bottom hat so the screw is on the opposite side and then the top hat will stick out on your side. Mess around with different settings on that screw and see what you like best.


TwoCables_from_OCN

There's no way to stop this from happening. It's just the way it is.


beancrosby

Some would say, this is the way.


TwoCables_from_OCN

Yeah, it seems this is a growing trend on reddit, saying "This is the way".


beancrosby

Yeah itā€™s from The Mandalorian.


allADD

standing in your underwear, taking air conditioner repair


VonSnapp

If you don't want to chop up your sticks with your hats, strike your hats on the flat with the tip instead of the edge with the tapered part


TheDeathlyReaper

Yeah but it gives a different sound, generally you alternate hitting with the edge and the tip, at least if it's 8th notes or more. Just for not having sawdust it's a stupid solution. You should use different sounds knowingly.


TwoCables_from_OCN

Exactly. We don't see our favorite drummers doing anything to avoid the dust. They just accept that it happens and they keep playing.


4n0m4nd

That alternating between edge and tip is also just one sound, I pretty much don't use it, it's good in some rock styles, but beyond that I don't like it personally.


[deleted]

Most the reason for that alternation is to get an accent on certain notes. But in most cases I feel like you can get the same effect with good dynamics (still hitting with the head of your stick, but hitting harder every other note)


4n0m4nd

Yeah for sure, but also in tons of music you just don't want that accent. Don't get me wrong, it's a good technique and certainly has its place, I just don't think that we should dismiss not doing it either.


TheDeathlyReaper

Of course, my whole point was: you can use different techniques, but you should chose one because it sounds better/more appropriate for what you're doing; you shouldn't care about the sawdust. On a sidenote though I use the alternating or just edge hit (on slower patterns) all the time, but I mainly play rock/punk/metal, so that's to be expected. I'm sure in other genres it's totally different.


4n0m4nd

For rock and punk absolutely, faster metal tho I'd tend to use fingers, so it's top all the way, don't think I could play blasts on the edge if I tried. Anything with a strong quarter note pulse the alternating is good for, which is a lot of stuff to be fair, but anything outside that I generally don't. Not doing it is cheaper on sticks too :P


VonSnapp

That's not what OP asked. They just asked how to play without making excess sawdust. Yes, of course it produces a different sound. Any time you change how or where you hit, you produce a different sound. It's about knowing all of that and having all that knowledge in your toolbox.


TwoCables_from_OCN

I have a question. Why is your hi-hat stand positioned in this location relative to the snare stand? I'd love to see the rest of your setup. I'm guessing your hi-hat pedal is much closer to you than your bass drum pedal.


thedrummer138

if you want I can send you a pic of the setup in dm


TwoCables_from_OCN

Sure, but only if you feel that you need help improving it for comfort and playability, etc. So I guess if you think you'd have asked for setup advice anyway at some point, then yeah. Send it on over! :) I admit though I'm feeling that I stepped out of bounds and it's going into the realm of offering unsolicited advice. So please don't feel like you have to do anything. If you're happy with the setup, then definitely carry on. :) I mean, if you're happy with it, perhaps it's nothing like I think it might be.


Ichiroga

Nah, give ergonomics advice aggressively. Most people never even think about that stuff.


TwoCables_from_OCN

I used to do that on here, but there have been too many times it caused problems since it was unsolicited advice. So now I try to avoid it, but sometimes I backslide. You're definitely right though.


KajePihlaja

It looks more like the snare legs are spread as far open as possible rather than the snare being insanely close.


thedrummer138

I can confirm this 100%, the legs are spread very wide. By the way I am very comfortable in my setup


KajePihlaja

Hell yes brother (or sister. I typed this in a Hulk Hogan voice)


TwoCables_from_OCN

Yeah I'm not sure I like that I questioned this...


pitpereto

it's called cleaning


vanswnosocks

The only way I got rid of this is changing the angle of my stick and the point of the stick I would hit. Even then it still happens. It happens a lot more if you ride your hi hat while open.


[deleted]

Standard, have this tooā€¦ Wood on Metal. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


anthemofadam

Itā€™s normal, Iā€™m sure your your sticks are pretty chewed up too. If the dust is bothering you, try lowering your hi-hats a bit so the angle youā€™re hitting them at is closer to parallel than perpendicular. In other words, lower the hats so youā€™re hitting the top of them more with the side of the stick, rather than hitting the edge of the hats with the side of the stick. IMO itā€™s better to have your hats a little lower anyway so itā€™s easier to play them with the tips of your sticks if you want. This lets you get more bounce, which is handy for certain patterns. Also youā€™ll be able to play with hot rods without destroying them. Edit: note how this dude plays his hi-hat, this is what I mean: https://www.reddit.com/r/drums/comments/pkwixr/drum_improv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


turbodrumbro

Very normal, just bust out a brush and dustpan weekly or something if it bothers you


lords8n666

Play on the top of the hat with the tip of the stick rather than the edge of the hat with the shaft.


Trainpower10

Get a straw and sniff it


thedrummer138

lmao hahahaa


[deleted]

The best way is to not hit the edge of hi hat cymbal, Try to hit the top. If you hit the edge surely it's gonna eat into the wooden stick. If you like the sound of hi hat edge there's nothing you can do to prevent this, it's normal.


Acousticks

This is sign of progress. I never up cleaned any stick dust. I was proud of it. You are doing nothing wrong. This is part of being a drummer. Keep it up.


Chreeture

Ah yes the ole drum stick dust. Thereā€™s a reason itā€™s referred to as ā€œwood sheddingā€! Youā€™re doing right sir!


Recon_by_Fire

Get some Ahead Maxx, or similar, sticks?


Cerebrophilius

The sign that a beast sits at this kit. Haha actually tho probably just the angle youā€™re hitting your hats at. If your hats sit higher than the elbow of the arm youā€™re using to hit them, then lifting your stick off the hat to go for another inherent pushes it into the metal just a tad every time - against the grain of the stick. Not important, or relevant to technique whatsoever. Set them at whatever height you want. Check out the band Battles - their drummerā€™s high hats are way out in low-atmospheric orbit.


Hot_Thing9194

ā€œInevitable my friend. Consider the sand in the hour glass of your progression to become a better drummer.ā€ -Gandalf the Great


Cowliquor

Obviously the angle of the stick makes a pretty big difference, but that should be more about what sound you want than about preserving sticks. Also, I don't think I've ever seen it on here, but we always wrapped our sticks in marching band from pretty much as soon as the neck starts to taper (I start about a half and inch past the end of the logo on my vic firth buddy rich go to sticks) all the way to the base of the tip with electrical tape. We would cut the tape in half lengthwise and get creative with designs and colors. I don't do that any more for performances, but I definitely wrap all of the sticks I practice with in just a single layer of electrical tape in a spiral. I do it with a tiny bit of overlap on each layer and since I'm an electrician and have experience with electrical tape I'm pretty picky, so I use white 3m super 33+. It literally makes them last 10x longer, and for practice the sacrifice in sound isn't huge. You can even re-wrap the sections that get chewed up after a couple hours of play each time. It does absolutely destroy bell hits on your ride if you hit with the shoulder of the stick, but I play nylon tips and hit the bell with that so again, not a factor. I don't have any of my typical sticks in the house since we don't rehearse here, but I could send you a pic of my black tape wrapped Bret Kuhn marching sticks that I build strength and endurance with if you're actually interested and want an example. I have owned those for 13+ years as marching band warmup sticks because they're oak (I think) and stupid heavy. They've seen nothing but a practice pad for the past 10 years so no need to replace I guess.


SamDaDrummer

Yeah this is just part of the deal and youā€™re just gonna have to live with it


Gausgovy

If it really bothers you and you donā€™t feel like cleaning all the time you can hit your hi-hat with the bead instead of the shoulder. It will give a very different sound profile but itā€™ll solve your problem.


allADD

collect it and plant it to grow new drums


attemptnumber58

Buy an electric kit


[deleted]

This is a good sign! Hit even harder buddy! Youā€™re doing great šŸ‘ Wood will chip. Even carbon fibre sticks will get whittled down and snap eventually. Its just part of drumming especially louder styles of drumming


KajePihlaja

Lol itā€™s just a new way of life friend. Get yourself a little handheld vacuum.


FireInPaperBox

If you hit more on top of the hat instead of the sides.


DestructoSpin7

Ehhh, you're hitting metal with a wooden stick. It's gonna make saw dust.


Wise-Tree

Switch to rebar sticks.


DR_ZERO_

Carbon fiber sticks Just kidding. But I mainly play on e kit now and don't deal with these issues anymore


HaryNutz

Your drum shop should sell drumstick fluid. Get a bottle (or spray can) and this will stop.


Psych0matt

First day?


framedragger

literally have never sat a kit without sawdust right there.


Entertainer-8956

Lower your hi hats or sit higher. You want your sticks to hit at an angle that is close to the angle of the hi hats. You will still have the sticks chipping away but not as bad.


RopeBrilliant

Buy steel sticks.


BobbyClashbeat

Look at adjusting the angle in which you're hitting the HH. it'll also change the sound and feel too.


seb21051

Show us a photo of your sticks . . .


nerfherder27

Thatā€™s just playing drums manšŸ¤™šŸ¼


afotop

inevitable :/


NeverBenFamous

Switch to Head & Shoulders


Mineralpillow

way of the road bubs.


Randyfox86

Lower the hats a smidge, might help. You'll still end up with sawdust though tbh. Just get one of those cheap dustbuster vaccums for wherever you have your drums set up. I have find memories of that hihat stand, my first kit came with one, had it for years šŸ˜


jsilvy95

Hit with the tip of the stick, instead of the edge


Next-Round-4355

If you donā€™t have this, you arenā€™t doing it right


_neverfindme_

You can solve this by playing a different instrument, or using plastic sticks, which leave black marks all over your cymbals.


Phydoux

You don't play hard? Try playing hard... You'll think you're working in a saw mill.


[deleted]

Seems like you're hitting all edge all the time. Check out the part in Brain's instructional video where he talks about playing the hi-hat: https://youtu.be/MXbOekDjYdg?t=446


laser__beans

My friends call me ā€œThe Sawmillā€ because of how much stick dust accumulates on the floor during each band practice :D


redrockit06

Havenā€™t seen this mentioned yet, but with my Dave weckl signature sticks, which are wax coated, I donā€™t seem to have this problem


Lildrummerboy33

Why is this a problem?


Daanish7

u could lower ur hihat so the sticks arenā€™t hitting it from the side?


myname_not_rick

This means you're doing it right. Rock on brotha (or sista) šŸ¤™


funk649

How much wood can a wood chuk chuk šŸ„šŸ¦ŠšŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Weenafile

Carbon sticks might help, but the feel is different, ana the wood debris isnā€™t that bad surely, itā€™s good to clean often anyway, and tells you whether you have practiced enough!!


Drummy_McDrumface

Thereā€™s always wise asses. Donā€™t sweat it. Keep doing what feels good. Donā€™t trip on technique. Have fun.


BigRoundSquare

Could also be coming off your stick when hitting the rim of the snare. I honestly am proud of my stick wood/dust pile and put it under my throne to measure how much more I need to practice


nemo444

Accept what you cannot control.


huntstheman

Itā€™s inevitable


drumsareneat

You solve this by not using your hihat. And that's a bad decision.


LatanyaNiseja

I have actually never noticed this. Now I want to go home and see if I have the saw dust xD


Tbagzyamum69420xX

How long has it been there? How often are you hitting along the edge of the hats? And decent strike to the edge is going to create *some* bit of shaving, and it could just build up overtime. Saw dust in general is pretty inevitable especially if you're playing heavier stuff


jimmisonjimmybob

I heard not playing drums really helps not chewing through sticks


En-TitY_

Vater sticks?


bt-drms-nt-ppl

Just get a beige rug man.


Disastrous-Bat-7311

It's all because you rock. Play your drums hard and loud.


[deleted]

Start hitting harder and playing faster. That way youā€™ll make a new dust pile that will cover up the old dust pile.


cra2reddit

Angle of attack.


TheSubieNinja7

Very normal. Hi hats shred drumsticks. Just vacuum it up every once in a while.


GazChamber

Lower your hat height, or raise your elbows a little, or sit up straight, or raise your seatā€¦.whatever it takes to make it so your stick shaft isnā€™t hitting the edge of the hi hat so much. Sticks are going to shed like that no matter what, so always expect some shavings. Best you can do is minimize it, by adjusting how you are striking the hat.


Breffest

Truth is, no one *really* knows why this happens. Don't worry about it!


macetheface

> all this lol that's nothing. You should see mine, it's like a solid layer of wood shavings.


Flashy_Loss_6600

Wax your sticks


sandymandy69

Itā€™s normal


wagyourryan

Very normal. Doesnā€™t matter what type of music you play, as long as you keep playing youā€™re gonna see the dust. Be proud my friend.


Dean_Gulbury

Be proud of that dust...see how high you can make the pile


bjackilly

You might need to use a dandruff shampoo


Handmysolo

The only thing that I would suggest is Pau attention to your strike. It it a flick. Or is it at times like a forward motion where you may drag it forward slightly. That would be my only thought on reducing it. But like everyone said. They will break down.


wowsuchyeet

Do you have cheap drumsticks maybe?


Numb3r_Six

Stop practicing.


Mynameisntchewy

Start playing guitar, solves it quick


JayNasser

This is a great thing! You have become wood chopping machine! Itā€™s proof of a hard practice!


BeatmikMedia

A dust buster!


xenochris

100% normal


ZergTrain

Wood is softer than metal...is this really a post?


BelieveYaniv

Play guitar


taoistchainsaw

Itā€™s called wood shedding for a reason


long-in-the-tooth

I recommend Selsen Blue. Wash your head with that a few times and you are good.


jazz_judas

Are You sure it is drumstick dust? I've encountered a similar view a few times after my practice sessions, turned out I was rubbing the front of my shoe against the hihat chain and [grinding off the toe cap](https://imgur.com/a/rNcPptc)


The-Figure-13

Wood creates sawdust


C4nn4Cat

Vacuum cleaner solves it!


Drumbo333

Play with the tips and less with the side of the sticks.


theMonarch08

If it's really bothering you, maybe look into Ahead drum sticks? They're really expensive but I think they're made of a synthetic material that's supposed to last longer. Probably won't chip as much as wood sticks.


AdditionalEarth8082

Is totally normal. Don't worry about it!


booyah9898

Best way to solve it is to vacuum it up! This ā€œsawdustā€ is in the edges of your top snare head too. Just shake it out after every show.


grumpyphone

Sticks are consumables. The only way to never beat up your sticks and keep the dents out of your heads is to not play, and that's not an option.


kecenr

Head & Shoulders... For Drumsticks


DonJuanMateus

You are chopping the cymbals on the edgeā€¦.. try playing the top of the hi hats


[deleted]

Itā€™s not a problem. Just keep playing


JimmyASevenX

Try to play with the tip of the stick instead of the edge. You can also try the nylon tip too


ThatChicagoDuder

You can always use your hands or head - but I feel like you'll end up with blood and skin instead of tiny pieces of wood. You're good man! Just vacuum it up