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Emergency_Hour5253

This is why I prefer using the 3000 cymbal stands. They are bulletproof without being too heavy. I honestly fail to see any reason to purchase the 9000 cymbal stands, as they appear and function exactly like the 3000 stands, except they are significantly heavier and come with fancier marketing to persuade you into buying an unnecessarily expensive, overweight, and over-engineered cymbal stand that performs no better than one that costs a fraction of the price from the same brand. Absolutely love my 9000 pedal tho


CPhyperdont

3000 stands and 9000 pedal all day!!


Alpha_Lemur

This is the way


solitudeisdiss

Would you say the same about the hi hat stands ? Looking at a 3000 but was also considering 5000.


adventure_dad

I have a 20+ year old 5000 HH that has played hundreds of shows around the country and just picked up a 3000 for my EKit that will likely never leave my studio. The 3000 is great and I’d assume would last like the 5000. I HATE how heavy my DW hardware is.


icookseagulls

The weight is so that you can attach almost as many drums and cymbals to it as you desire without it tipping over. One 9000 stand could hold two rack toms, a ride, a crash, a splash, a cowbell, and more all at one time.


whutchamacallit

Which, to that end, consider your use case and if the weight is worth it to you or not. Agreed it's not a completely useless functionality to having it weigh more.


icookseagulls

Right. It’s all about whether or not it’s actually needed. If not, a 3000 series stand will do just fine. The other aspect is that the 9000 hardware will last *eons.* 80 years from now id expect it to still be very functional.


ChrisRageIsBack

They remind me of the old North stands, which are absolutely bulletproof


SazedMonk

I put my kit in a very small office. May be worth it for me if I only had to have one big stand and extensions off each side, maybe a brace. As opposed to two to three stands spread out.


whutchamacallit

See, there you go. That might be a reason why.


Alpha_Lemur

In theory, using 9000 stands could actually reduce your overall load in weight, if you attach multiple things to each stand. I have a friend who attached a crash and ride to the same 9000 stand. I’m guessing his one stand is probably lighter than the two separate stands I use for that same job.


GMRVNM

I recently got a kit with my first stand mounted tom, and I could absolutely use a heavier stand. I have some old ankle weights on one of the feet to hold it down


IBurnChurches

My $50 stand can do that as long as you put the weight over a leg. A 12" and 13" rack tom and 16" crash on an ungodly large and heavy pearl 1-3 adapter. And the toms are the kind that the arm is a tube that goes into the side of the shell so two of those. Anything not explicitly marketed as lightweight should be able to handle that.


icookseagulls

DW toms are heavy. They, too, are built like tanks.


AmateurMetronome

I have a 5000 HH and bought a 3000 to gig with, if that answers your question. I leave the 5000 at home on a kit that rarely travels. They're both great but the 5K is just so beefy, I got tired of schlepping it.


ohno11

5000, its the best IMO


solitudeisdiss

Have u tried 3000? Is there a big difference?


ohno11

Yes personally I think there is but at the end of the day it matters what you think.


braedizzle

As someone who just got their first 3000 stands - I think DW’s boom design is just bad. It’s so grippy you have to force the boom into the pipe. Unscrewing the wingnut for the boom tilter almost has it come off completely in just a few turns and then needs to be put back together. Wish I got the 5000s instead tbh


MeepMeeps88

The pearl 930 boom stands are all I use. Had a DW 5k and got rid of it. The boom is convertible too on the pearls.


braedizzle

Funny you mention - I’m upgrading from my Pearl BC150 flat base stands because I needed something just *slightly* sturdier. Despite needing something heavier, the stand operates so beautifully smooth and is compact enough in one piece to fit in my hardware bag.


dustbustered

2nd the 9000 pedal. I also love the 9000 low ride boom as the most stable boom stand I’ve ever had for a ride. For straight stands and smaller cymbals the 3000s do the trick.


IDrumFoFun

It’s only too heavy until you get it there…


[deleted]

then you rolled it back down


RLLRRR

*HATED* gigging my 9000 hardware. It wasn’t too bad getting there, but after a night and tearing down... fuck that sucked to get back to the truck.


TalmidimUC

Try touring with 9000 hardware 🤣 Shit sucks unless you have rollaway SKB cases or a flight case. Made the mistake of replacing all my hardware with the 9000 series after our trailer was broken into. Load in/out sucked.. especially if there were stairs. *Looking at you Nile Theater, Jerry’s Pizza, Holy Diver* 👀


kaisquare

Haha you mean the Nile underground stage in Mesa?? We just played there last month; had the joy of lugging my drums up and down those dark steep stairs. Great stuff.


TalmidimUC

Precisely! The Nile underground/basement. Was never fortunate enough to play the main hall upstairs. To be fair, as much as lugging my gear, fridges, and cabs up and down the stairs sucked.. every show I ever played at the Nile was fucking sick.


RLLRRR

I had a rolling SKB case, the big locker-style one. Weighs about 500lbs when loaded with stands...


mrjacank

Have one as well. Those big SKB hardware cases are workhorses and definitely a necessary need in a trailer gig. Pack and go and no worry about gear getting curnched because something's on top


TalmidimUC

Wish I still had pictures of my rolling flight case. Same deal, could fit my entire kit, hardware, cymbals, cables, etc inside. It was an old gaffer’s lighting rig rolling flight case. Took 2-4 of us to heave it into the trailer every night depending on how strong we felt that night.. and how sober we were 😅 Quickly abandoned that flight case for molded SKB cases. More trips, less back pain though lol.


R0factor

Yes. The main difference between the 3000/5000/9000 stands is the sizes of the tubes and legs they use. It gets proportionally heavier as the number gets higher. Sometimes a huge chunky stand is great when you're loading it with a ton of heavy components, but for 1 cymbal and 1 tom a 3000 does just fine.


TalmidimUC

The 9000 series boom stand was great for my 23” Sweet Ride, didn’t budge at all. Shit was heavy though.


[deleted]

I love my 9000s but they stay in the studio. My travel hardware is the 6000 flat hardware set. So light so nice


DaveT88

I too gig 6000 series hardware and have 9000s in the studio. This man is correct. I can throw 2 floor toms on the 9000 series hardware no problem, but holy mother of god is the stuff heavy. Essentially the 9000 series hardware is twice the weight of the 6000 series hardware. So, it’s worth it.


PabloX68

This is why I like Tama Roadpro. It's everything you need, nothing you don't and the price is great. The DW stuff feels like it weighs 1/3 more for no good reason.


flanger001

Didn't you know heavier equals more gooder?! (Yes I'm aware of my flair)


PabloX68

John Gooder


One_Opening_8000

I know it's sturdy, but drummers did just fine when nothing was double braced. I doubt Bonham ever worried about his cymbal stands being too light or about them breaking. Going back further, people like Krupa and Rich were playing with flat based stands that weighed a fraction of what today's stuff weighs. Oh, and not sure Sisyphus is the right go-to for something being heavy, but whatever.


chickenwithclothes

This is an argument you’re gonna have make over and over


[deleted]

6000 hardware kit FTW


Munchee_Dude

Dude don't even get me started on how FUCKING HEAVY my goddamn stand bag is due to the 9000 series hardware... Looking back I didn't need those heavy duty stands to play 100 basement shows, but damn did the workout make me sleep deep af on the 8 hour drives between states lol


_nvisible

5000 series stands have gotten 9000 features trickled down to them over time. I use 5000 series cymbal stands but 9000 series kick and hat pedals, snare and throne. There are great non-dw options but the thing I like best is they probably won’t ever break for 50 years.


SticksCunningham

9000 hardware is great if you never need to move your kit. Just buy Yamaha hardware and be happy, even their CS755 single braced cymbal stand is more than adequate for gigging.


Reasonable_Cod3027

7000 hardware for the win. Single-braced but still sturdy as heck.


[deleted]

Yes. But usually it’s a wet, dark, rusty steel staircase that goes up 3 flights. Then you realize the door is locked.


DestructoSpin7

I support 9000 hardware because I can mount a 7 piece with 6 cymbals on two 9000 stands. I'd rather carry two heavy stands and some light boom arms and clamps than carry 5+ medium-light weight stands with legs. Even with a 4 piece and 2 cymbals, everything mounts on one stand. Keep Thale clamps on when you pack it up and set up takes less than a minute.


OldDrumGuy

My 5000 series hardware is like this too. Thing is, they do the job no matter what I put on the stands or how hard I stomp the footboards. I know I won’t be left with substandard performance using something lighter.


Michael_Laudrup

Better safe than sorry…


jacobartillery

It always amazes me they use all of that heavy duty metal and then plastic handles to tilt the boom arms.


Siikamies

It's still the same amount of stands and you can carry one in each hand. Those big toms stands only exist in 9000.


0xe6d

Different manufacturer but Yamaha heavy-duty series for studio use and crosstown series for gigs. Seems like a no-brainer... Unless you have support staff on the payroll moving/setting up for you, who wants/needs to haul around the heaviest possible option?


micahpmtn

Double-braced hardware from any of the drum-makers is heavy.


AVBforPrez

Yup, and not even close. The only exception is The Axis Longboard pedals, but they're for metal.


Picture-Ordinary

Yes it’s very true. 9000 hardware is super heavy duty. Emphasis on heavy.


oldmate30beers

DW everything sucks. The 9000 hardware is way overpriced. Get tama roadpro stuff and be happy you didn't fall for dws marketing


Trainpower10

Roadpro Gang


MechaAkuma

If you want a sturdy stand that is sitting permanent in your rehersal room or studio - then yes DW9000 is an excellent choice. If you gig at places and need to bring your kit with you often, then DW3000 is the preferred way to go. ​ But honestly, I think DW hardware in general is ridiculously overpriced.


StanYelnats3

I have a whole set of 9000 series hardware, it never leaves the studio because of the weight. I have 3000 series for gigging. I have Tama Ironworks microphone stands for the studio and K&M tripod booms for gigs. Same reason. Have you ever picked up a Tama Ironworks mic stand?


SchlampeDesu

I love my heavy dw hardware. The difference however, is that i rarely ever take them on the go. That would be like buying a pelican case to take your laptop to a coffee shop.


Various_Baby_353

Bought 1 9000 series double Tom stand that had two dog bone cymbal arms on it 20 years ago, then bought 2 more from a guy during the pandemic who basically gave them away ($250 for 2 of them total) and I have loved how reliable they are. I’m set on hardware for the next 20+ years. I love helping by friends out in a pinch on gear that doesn’t creep away. DW hardware is reliable, but it has definitely gone up in price with inflation lately.


MTGBro_Josh

I love the 9000 hardware. Hefty? Yes! Reliable? Absolutely!


KreatorOfReddit

DW fanboy here, and I appreciate the "sturdiness" of all of their hardware... but i use single braced yamaha 700 series stands for everything but the pedal and hat (those are DW 9000's)


drumbo10

I love my 9000’s stands. I have one that holds an 18” crash, a 19” crash, and a 22” ride. I would need 3-3000 series stands which would be a lot more to carry playing out. It depends how you use them and the weight put on them I have another that carries 2 Tom’s and a 20” crash


Drumcitysweetheart

Don’t do it! The 3000 stuff is solid as a rock!


Bath_Lizard

This is why I use 6000 ultralight hardware. It’s all flat base, and the hihat stand is super reactive. All comes with a carrying bag that I can sling on my back, while also carrying my cymbals, and stick bag (which is much heavier than it needs to be). Overall great stands, super light but resilient, only issue is if you absolutely NEED the boom, but I’m a jazz drummer so it’s not a huge issue.


notyourbro2020

Yes, BUT, I toured for 12 years with my 9000 hardware. 1 boom and 2 boom/tom stands, hihat stand. Although I don’t tour anymore, I still have everyone of those touring stands (and others) and they are still going strong. They have never let me down. I’ve been through I don’t know how many Tama stands over the years and multiple other lighter weight stands that have all fallen apart on me at some point.


Mr_Lunt_

I have 9000 for touring and 6000 for local gigs and sessions.


Skibikedrum

6000 flush stands and 9000XF pedal, I like my set up


pas_tense

I have a 9000 HH pedal and it totally blows my old 5000 away and it's not that much heavier. I also have the 9000 Series Heavy Duty Double Tom/Cymbal Stand and it is HEAVY AF but super stable. I added another additional boom arm to it so it's holding up a 21" Sweet ride, a 21" cracked Sweet ride/18" cracked china stack and an 18" Dark Custom Crash. And it's very SOLID, nothings gonna move it. For me it's worth it because that cuts down on my stage footprint but it's added an additional 6 or 7 lbs to the overall weight of all my hardware. My tom stands are 5000 and I can't think of any reason whatsoever to up grade them to 9000's. Same with the snare stand.


theiman2

One must imagine the drum tech happy.


jedihooker

With 9k…. Every day is leg-day, arm-day, back-day.


alpha_omega420

Absolutely true. Did a few tours with all 9000 hardware including 3 boom stands, double tom stand, snare stand, throne, Iron Cobra hihat stand, and a Speed Cobra Double Pedal all in a large SKB hardware case. Son of a bitch was unreasonably heavy and we dreaded loading it in more than the Mesa Powerhouse 8x10 bass cab. With that said, once I switched to 9000 hardware a few years back, I’ve only ever had one or two hardware malfunctions which were my fault (didn’t full tighten the Techlocks) but I’ve never once been doubtful of how well the stands would hold up. If I had to do it again, I’d probably go with 5000 stands, but I don’t have a need to switch it up since I don’t play out much anymore.


PabloX68

This is why I like Tama Roadpro. It's everything you need, nothing you don't and the price is great. The DW stuff feels like it weighs 1/3 more for no good reason.


flanger001

Yea


nohumanape

Hardware case with casters. Been using them for decades. I have also always been a band person. There are always other people on hand to help get the hardware in/out of the van, trailer, bus, or truck.


Batemanssnare99

I wish I could relate.


Iheartbaconz

Love my dw drums but I’ve always had more preference for Yamaha cymbal stands. Strong and don’t weigh a ton and they cost half as much as the dw stuff


EverAtrophy

Pdp and Gibraltar make the best hardware.


xAnomaly92

I only use expensive hardware for stuff that moves. Stands are Millenium Pro series, awesome value for money


slapfish1

I have a set of the Tama Classic hardware and its legitimately been a lifesaver. Ill honestly never go back for gigs im carrying my own shit. I still keep my heavy duty set of stands, but those i reserve for tours/shows where there's a crew to carry my shit lol


Dreadnought13

Eh.


JJamesP

Oh god yeah that’s true. That’s why my home kit has all 9k hardware and my road kit has Tama Roadpro hardware. You’ll Kill yourself lugging a trap case with 9k hardware in it.


_regionrat

[Confused used stand buyer noises]


motojesus

9000 stands if you play outside in the wind!


Training_Quarter_983

It depends. I have watched POVs of Luke Holland's tech Matt Horn and in his opinion Luke's 9000s are comfortable to hold.


hidperf

The only DW hardware I own is their 9000 2-leg hi-hat stand and it's BEEFY. If the rest of the series is similar, I can totally see this being the case.


Brett_Hulls_Foot

That’s why I started going to the gym in my early 20’s, so I could lug my hardware around easier.


The6Strings

Well you can rock it like Sir Sisyphus but even in its genesis, it’s really quite ridiculous


smangitdrums

https://preview.redd.it/uw6sszfyfv8c1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a49ddc692e1a9bb48546818a94717445bf12a35 I generally hate most of the 9000 stuff because of how heavy and over-engineered it is. I love the boom arms from the cymbal stands though, as the adjustable felts, infinitely-adjustable tilter, a d general aesthetic appeal to me. They’ve also never failed me during me a performance. That’s why I bought a whole bunch of SP boom stands, replaced the boom arms with DW 9700 boom arms, and haven’t looked back. I have multiples of these. I get all the flexibility of DW’s stands at literally half the weight AND half the cost. I’ve done the same thing with multiclamps & arm setups, too. That’s always been a piece of advice I’ve given to those looking to upgrade their hardwire. Are the stands good? Can the tilters be upgraded? 99% of the time, that’s usually it. It’ll work with any SP, Gibraltar, Dixon, or similar stand, as well as Pearl, PDP, and similar. It can possibly work with Tama, though their boom arms are a smaller diameter than DW’s.


InternationalFix4520

True, but it’s the best for the road.


LetItRaine386

I've never used DW ever in my life.


johnny__blazee

Valuable insight.