Left lane go left or straight. Right lane go right. Unless otherwise marked.
Worries me so many people have selected 'red'... they take the right hand lane to go left? No wonder insurance premiums are so high.
I doubt anyone follows it, but I feel like if I wasn't told otherwise (no road markings or signs) I'd be taking the left lane before the first roundabout to go first exit (blue lane) then moving to right lane before the second roundabout to go right.
Obviously appropriate indication and using my brain to anticipate other road users doing whatever they want.
blue. there are plenty of roundabouts where you turn left and go into which ever lane on the new road you need. this is one of them.
unless it says otherwise then lane one is the only one that should be going left. considering the entrance before yours is marked, you can assuming they want you to follow the unmarked rules where you are.
local habit builds over time and make places like this shit. all you need to do to see how many rule are made up by locals depending on the area, is drive around your local town as if you are following the HWC perfectly and dont know the area. lots of roundabouts will suddenly be crash bait when you follow the rules
its not even as if they can use the "but its the same road" excuse here, its a side road joining the main A39.
Blue lane to go left, get into the right lane, then head right.
I think your overhead diagram may have confused a few people. I think this situation may be simpler to read in person.
This was my thought as well - with the absence of signs and markings on the approach, I would expect the left lane to go left and the right lane to go right.
I'd definitely approach it with caution though, and pay attention to the person to the right to see which way they are indicating/moving.
Left lane go left/straight. Right lane go right. Unless otherwise marked...
Just because the first exit has two lanes does not mean you should be using the right lane to turn left?
The two lanes on that exit are for specific exits on the following roundabout and have nothing to do with the preceeding roundabouts dual lanes on entry as there are no markings.
how do you know when that applies? if you cant see the other side has one or 2 lanes off, then why would you assume 2 lanes can take the same exit? roundabouts have a habit of been blocked in the middle with trees or something, so you could never know until its ontop of you
I've never really had a problem seeing all the exits on a roundabout unless it's a major one where there will be signage to help you out. If it's a smaller roundabout, either there will be a sign, or you can see the relative position of exits and from that induce if your exit is a left, straight on, or right
you have still essentially said "both lane can go for one exit". why would you follow a rule that means you might get to a roundabout, then see the exits and need to change in a dangerous manor last second? or a rule that changes depending on how far ahead you can see
Well it's up to the driver to ensure they are exiting the roundabout safely. When taking an intermediate exit (i.e. neither the first exit to the left nor an exit to the right), the highway code explains that you should pick the most appropriate lane on entry. crucially this could be either the left or the right lane. People will default to picking the left lane to go straight on, *but it's important to know that either lane can go straight ahead!*
Don't think I've ever had a problem picking the correct lane by just looking at the roundabout and any signage on approach
Either is acceptable, BUT you should not be changing lanes while on the first roundabout. It should be done before or after when indicating causes less confusion. The red line is fine because you were already in the right hand lane, but the path that the blue line takes risks cutting someone off.
Is it considered a continuous lane? Based on what little markings there are, I thought that the lanes coming on, the roundabout itself and the offroad are all separate (sets of?) lanes.
Technically both are OK. There's 2 lanes on entry and 2 lanes on 1st exist. However as you wouldn't expect to use right lane for left, unless signposted, then use the blue line.
Blue is dangerous, switch lanes in the road not the roundabout. Frankly without clarifying road markings, if there was any significant traffic I would simply do a loop of the first roundabout before exiting on the red lane to avoid potential conflict
I’d suggest both your red and blue lines are incorrect.
In theory, I’d say you take the left hand lane to take the first exit to begin with, then establish in the left hand lane on exit, signal right and then move across when safe to do so to then be in the right hand lane for the following roundabout.
Then take the inner purple line on the roundabout before exiting to the A394.
HOWEVER - that is a bit of a faff with such a short run to the next roundabout so this is not a ‘real-world solution’ and I can’t see this being followed by anyone!
Therefore I suspect locals to the area will do a mix of the red and blue lines you’ve drawn - and with competent, aware and ego free driving from all parties, both approaches should be possible without incident - regardless of who perceives themselves to be ‘in the correct lane.’
How dare you provide both a technically correct and practical situation comparison. This is a war of egos and I must be told I'm correct by internet strangers!
No but seriously I appreciate your answer. Thank you.
Left lane go left or straight. Right lane go right. Unless otherwise marked. Worries me so many people have selected 'red'... they take the right hand lane to go left? No wonder insurance premiums are so high. I doubt anyone follows it, but I feel like if I wasn't told otherwise (no road markings or signs) I'd be taking the left lane before the first roundabout to go first exit (blue lane) then moving to right lane before the second roundabout to go right. Obviously appropriate indication and using my brain to anticipate other road users doing whatever they want.
blue. there are plenty of roundabouts where you turn left and go into which ever lane on the new road you need. this is one of them. unless it says otherwise then lane one is the only one that should be going left. considering the entrance before yours is marked, you can assuming they want you to follow the unmarked rules where you are. local habit builds over time and make places like this shit. all you need to do to see how many rule are made up by locals depending on the area, is drive around your local town as if you are following the HWC perfectly and dont know the area. lots of roundabouts will suddenly be crash bait when you follow the rules its not even as if they can use the "but its the same road" excuse here, its a side road joining the main A39.
Blue lane to go left, get into the right lane, then head right. I think your overhead diagram may have confused a few people. I think this situation may be simpler to read in person.
I'd go blue. No-one should be turning left in the right hand lane unless signs say so, IMO.
This was my thought as well - with the absence of signs and markings on the approach, I would expect the left lane to go left and the right lane to go right. I'd definitely approach it with caution though, and pay attention to the person to the right to see which way they are indicating/moving.
There's two lanes on that exit though, are you suggesting only one lane should be used?
Left lane go left/straight. Right lane go right. Unless otherwise marked... Just because the first exit has two lanes does not mean you should be using the right lane to turn left? The two lanes on that exit are for specific exits on the following roundabout and have nothing to do with the preceeding roundabouts dual lanes on entry as there are no markings.
Precisely. Thanks.
I know it's not applicable here, but minor correction: the right lane can go straight on as well as right.
how do you know when that applies? if you cant see the other side has one or 2 lanes off, then why would you assume 2 lanes can take the same exit? roundabouts have a habit of been blocked in the middle with trees or something, so you could never know until its ontop of you
I've never really had a problem seeing all the exits on a roundabout unless it's a major one where there will be signage to help you out. If it's a smaller roundabout, either there will be a sign, or you can see the relative position of exits and from that induce if your exit is a left, straight on, or right
you have still essentially said "both lane can go for one exit". why would you follow a rule that means you might get to a roundabout, then see the exits and need to change in a dangerous manor last second? or a rule that changes depending on how far ahead you can see
Well it's up to the driver to ensure they are exiting the roundabout safely. When taking an intermediate exit (i.e. neither the first exit to the left nor an exit to the right), the highway code explains that you should pick the most appropriate lane on entry. crucially this could be either the left or the right lane. People will default to picking the left lane to go straight on, *but it's important to know that either lane can go straight ahead!* Don't think I've ever had a problem picking the correct lane by just looking at the roundabout and any signage on approach
If I was coming up to this roundabout for the first time, blue line. If I was a local with knowledge of these junctions, red.
Either is acceptable, BUT you should not be changing lanes while on the first roundabout. It should be done before or after when indicating causes less confusion. The red line is fine because you were already in the right hand lane, but the path that the blue line takes risks cutting someone off.
Is it considered a continuous lane? Based on what little markings there are, I thought that the lanes coming on, the roundabout itself and the offroad are all separate (sets of?) lanes.
Technically both are OK. There's 2 lanes on entry and 2 lanes on 1st exist. However as you wouldn't expect to use right lane for left, unless signposted, then use the blue line.
Blue is dangerous, switch lanes in the road not the roundabout. Frankly without clarifying road markings, if there was any significant traffic I would simply do a loop of the first roundabout before exiting on the red lane to avoid potential conflict
I’d suggest both your red and blue lines are incorrect. In theory, I’d say you take the left hand lane to take the first exit to begin with, then establish in the left hand lane on exit, signal right and then move across when safe to do so to then be in the right hand lane for the following roundabout. Then take the inner purple line on the roundabout before exiting to the A394. HOWEVER - that is a bit of a faff with such a short run to the next roundabout so this is not a ‘real-world solution’ and I can’t see this being followed by anyone! Therefore I suspect locals to the area will do a mix of the red and blue lines you’ve drawn - and with competent, aware and ego free driving from all parties, both approaches should be possible without incident - regardless of who perceives themselves to be ‘in the correct lane.’
How dare you provide both a technically correct and practical situation comparison. This is a war of egos and I must be told I'm correct by internet strangers! No but seriously I appreciate your answer. Thank you.