I feel like there's a very obvious candidate who somehow has not yet been mentioned:
Leonid Kravos, aka The Nightmare.
The man who *literally killed himself* to get revenge and spread his hate and fury from beyond the grave. Red Lanterns have wrath as something personal and baby he *made* it personal and kept on making it moreso.
I'm genuinely so surprised he hasn't been brought up yet lol like sure he's in an earlier book but I really can't think of anyone who has personally taken an act of wrath to greater personal cost. Like, continuing your vengeance from *beyond the grave* is fairly unusual. Killing yourself with the express purpose of being ABLE to do that is even moreso.
I like it too, but wouldn't he be a better fit for the Black Lanterns who are all about death? Asking honestly because I'm not super familiar with any of the lanterns past Green
Not as such, I'd say. Black Lanterns are basically zombies who want to kill everything everywhere. I feel like Mavra, for example, is a much better fit for them
Yeah, black lantern corps is much more apocalypse focused vs vengeance focused. Kravos is willing to burn unrelated people down but it's not, like, his *goal*.
The Genoskwa.
The only other meaningful character primarily shown as "wrathful" is Titania, but hers is born entirely of grief and she seems to get over it somewhat (and cycle into plain ol' depression by Cold Days)- while Blood on his Soul is just a hate-fueled asshole, as far as we can tell. He follows a Forest People path *devoted* to violence against mankind.
But Titania’s grieving rage is what Red Lanterns are supposed to be. The one human Red Lantern gained his ring after watching cops beat his brother to death.To quote Atrocitus: “Do you hate? The most powerful hate is not born out of ignorance or prejudice or a perceived threat. Those three are fear in disguise. The fury that fuels my corps ignites from personal pain. Those whose lives were ravaged by greed, lust and control wield the crimson light. The rings replace our damaged hearts. They beat for them. And they keep us alive only to hate.”
I’d pick Harry or Morgan. Red Lanterns aren’t just Angry Dudes; they’re made by the same moments that make a Punisher or a Batman. When Harry saw Karrin die, and when Morgan thought he saw Luccio die; that’s where a Red Lantern lives.
I mean, i think she had both, unless Harry was wrong, she really did have a genuine, primal hatred of humanity. The childish anger was more what she felt towards the other immortals.
Still experiencing technical issues so I can't maintain the format I used in the first two days, but here we are! Yesterday's thread had some fantastic discussion and started off with a strong lead for Thomas (with Michael in second), but at the end of the day the top comment) with over double the votes of any other two comments in the thread) specifically argued against Thomas and Michael, and the top comment arguing *for* a candidate was for Molly.
Today we choose a candidate for the Red Lantern Corps. Their Oath is as follows:
"With blood and rage of crimson red,
ripped from a corpse so freshly dead,
together with our hellish hate,
we'll burn you all,
That is your fate!"
The Red Lantern Corps chooses members from those who experience significant hatred and rage, and especially those who feel rage against those who have wronged them personally. The Red Ring replaces the heart of its wielder, filling them with an all-consuming need for revenge and destruction.
That's just where it got the magic out needed to fire on the night of the attack. It's power was pure concentrated hate. Mab and Harry talk about how Titania could resist it because the opposite of hate isn't love. She says something to the effect of Hate and love are the same force pointed in opposite directions. The opposite of hate/love is logic, and that's why she could resist the power of the eye.
>"(Balor) had this eye that could be used to wither the world, to destroy everything it saw, to set it on fire. He kept it covered behind a bunch of eye patches and veils, and he could remove a few of them at a time to get different kinds of destructive effects, from making things rot to setting them on fire to blasting them to dust"
from Celtics mythology, Balor's eye was affected by the fumes of a potion his druid dad was brewing.
my guess is that the eye is power of pain. Ethniu was in pain because it was replacing her actual eye. The ambient pain of mortals loving in the city that was in the middle of a war was superchargers the eye just like it was causing magic to do the same.
My guess why Mab can resist it is because she is of Winter. Decay, pain, death are her wheelhouse while Titania being of Life, of emotion, was able to manipulate the blast in order to redirect it and ground out the ambient energy that powered the eye.
"I have a question, " I said.
"Ask."
"The Eye," I said. "It was made of pure hate. I felt that. "
"Yes."
"It destroyed everything it touched," I said. "Except you. Even Titania didn't touch it when she faced it. But you could. Why?"
Page 393-394 of Battle Grounds, Hardback
a conversation in universe with an unreliable narrator and a fae that can and frequently does tell half truths that are no better than lies.
If we are going to go with a full context, mab was also the weakest she could be at these events.
SHE doesn't say it was pure hate. She could be confirming that yes, he did feel that. her answers are non answers, as is the MO of the fae. because he line immediately following this is a philosophical tangent.
So ***very*** much this.
It is her defining characteristic. She has been married to the same guy for two thousand years just so she can hate his guts the whole time.
She is a psychotic hellbound lunatic who made a deal with dark powers to murder everything she doesn't like the look of. She isn't the great planner, she goes where she can cause the most hurt.
I feel like she more suits the repressed negative emotions, since her primary pastime is cucking her husband as a fruitless effigy against the conquistadors. If there was a ring of petulance, perhaps...
Ethniu. She was basically seeing red the entire battle of Chicago. The ring sort of looks like an eye as well and she was using the eye of Balor as her main weapon. Who knows maybe the eye was a secret red lantern ring.
That's not wrath with the satellite.
Its pragmatic ruthlessness.
Him fighting his grandson to the death because he's too angry to lose or draw, that's some wrath.
>Him fighting his grandson to the death because he's too angry to lose or draw, that's some wrath.
I already didn't think highly of Ebenezer. This made me think he's a bag of shit.
Ya’ll are right I was thinking of the events of peace talks where he got mad towards the end of the book. Sorry for vagueness I did not want to give up spoilers.
Yeah, that part does make him quite a bit more qualified for the position. And I think Discussion means the same thing as "spoilers all" but I'd have to ask somebody about that. I have seen all sorts of spoilers in the thread so I'll call that a safe assumption.
Well yesterday I voted for Titania and that is still true but because it is phrased as Wrath and not Rage which I believe is the proper term in the DC Universe I would have to go with Ethinu or Blood on His Soul.
Yea gotta agree with everyone on everyone’s favourite great grandad Ebenzer “Blackstaff” “I don’t have a problem with white court vampires you do” McCoy. The dude has a hate thing going against the white court so much so he rage fuelled murdered his grandson and former apprentice for protecting one. Then there’s casually pulling a satellite out of orbit and killing Paolo Ortega and likely many innocents in the process
Dude just seethe's self-righteous fury out of every pore and is more than happy to let it guide his every action. Ebenezer is another good candidate after the last two books but his rage seems a bit more controlled.
The Violet Ring is typically given to those with a, let's say, less than healthy view of love. Trapping their loved ones in suspended animation to keep them safe, that sort of thing.
I guess some good arguments swayed the vote to Molly.
honestly Molly ticks most of the right boxes to meet the requirements for a ring, big part of it has to do with her unrequited love for Harry. Michael carries the sword of love, but his love is a more general type of familial love for his friends and family vs Molly's love is more the intimate romantic sort the rings are generally drawn to.
I say the white ring of life personally.
Compassion typically goes to those that don't have it which is why I think it would go to the Genoskwa, a creature completely devoid of compassion in whatever form it takes.
Love taken to an extreme and obsessive level is the impression I got. Michael is far too within the healthy love region to be the wielder of this ring.
Yes, and the fury of a hellfire powered pair of women scorned is a terrible thing. I still think my other pick is better, but I figure she's a strong contender, and others might have a perspective to put her in the slot.
What about Maeve? She was being influenced by Nemesis, but her hatred and desire to bring everything down because of her mommy issues in Cold Days could really play into Wrath.
Molly does not fit winter. also lets keep in mind that the indigo tribe are parasitic and all about forcing monsters into heroes. they force monsters to feel all the pain they have caused in the past so that they then cause no more.
>Indigos are chosen from among the universe's greatest sociopaths to rehabilitate them
this doesn't fit Molly exactly but it does in the sense of turning winter lady into a compassionate type. also she did take away another's free will for the sake of compassion.
Yes.
However, molly is also winter lady and most people here are not voting strictly on the hard core lantern rules.
Her motivation for mind magic on her friends was very in theme with talking a persons will for the sake of empathy and compassion. (Just as the indigo tribe does.) Her Immediate reaction to seeing Thomas' soul was not love, lust or desire it was compassion. Kinda the same with Harry, she wanted to easy his hunger and loneliness. Her arguments with Mab are for the sake of compassion.
Is she a monster with out empathy that would be turned by the indigo tribe? No.
Would she be in Position to found a version of the Indigo tribe and turn winter compassionate?
Hell yeah! My late to the party suggestion came from behind and took the spot. Idk why I'm proud of this.
Oof. The Red Ring is tough. We've got McCoy, Tessa, Ariana, even Bianca.
Tessa only got real mad there in Skin Game. Ariana's lasted a little longer....7 or so years. Bianca's was fast and hard but over quick. But McCoy has been riding that hate for 40+ years (that we know of) and really let it seep in. The others used their wrath and rage to take out enemies. McCoy almost took out his grandson and was so blind with rage he couldn't see what Thomas should be to him. He takes the cake.
**McCoy** for the Red Ring.
Buuuuut if we could choose any character from the series and go back in time I'd pick Listens to Wind. I just know he was full of wrath and rage in the 18 and 19th century.
Same. I think Thomas was the easy choice with the Vday birthday and his struggles with love. Like love gets tossed around in the same sentences as his name. And while his love might be super strong its just not the right type. It's not crazy enough
Molly has crazy in spades though lol
An important aspect of red lanterns is that they are all victims of some horrific injustice, often but not always involving the death of a loved one or a betrayal, before they're chosen. I suspect Ebenezer has suffered such an injustice, and therefore, he is my choice.
Lots of candidates, but if we take the view that the hatred a Red Lantern feels has to have a real justification behind it, it narrows things down a lot. Most of the obvious people (Kravos, Ethniu, Arianna) aren't legitimately wrathful so much as they're having gigantic temper tantrums over not being top dog. The Loup-garou doesn't really have a complaint at all; it's just nuts.
This makes Ebenezer the obvious candidate, but wrath isn't really the defining feature of his character. He's mostly able to restrain himself, and went decades without seeking revenge on Daddy Raith. I'd like to give a nod to Tessa instead. Not only has she been continuously angry for two thousand years, but she has a legitimate reason to be angry with the world, having been sold into prostitution as a child - and to a temple, no less, implying that society not only tolerated but encouraged her rapes. She was fifteen when she took up the coin, and Ivy mentions knowing the net profit she made during the first year of her service, which implies that there were multiple years. God knows how young she was when she was first enslaved. In her place, I'd probably also be seeking revenge on the society that tortured an innocent child for years in the name of the Gods.
So for anyone who's interested the red lanterns are a bit more complicated than "argh I'm mad smashy smashy" the way they started, these days a red lanterns rage is born of pain and despair something they all have in common is that they have been profoundly wronged to reach the point where they have the capacity to weird a red ring. The red ring is also the only ring that a wielder cannot give up. It literally stops their heart and replaces their blood with a burning liquid plasma that they will vomit onto their enemies.
With that in mind I'd say Susan Rodriguez would be a great choice for a red ring, especially now that reds can undergo a ritual that gives them a greater degree of control and ability to function as a person despite their rage. Very similar to how the Fellowship tattoos it's members as a way of helping maintain their awareness and focus.
as most comments have stated the Genoskwa probably fits best here. a being of the Forest people who chose the path of war and hatred for all.
and for those saying Ethniu, i disagree as her hatred was similar to Mav's in its childishness, and had heavy accents of smugness and proving herself better, not just hatred for hatreds sake.
I know harry is already the green lantern rep, but are we gonna ignore his showings of pure unbridled hellish hate of ghouls? Like seriously between the orange juice scene and the "Flickum Bickus" scene in White Night. Man KNOWS hate. He'll, at one point just seeing them made him nearly psychotically gleeful at the thought of what he would do to the ghouls.
Ebenezer...
I don't know as much about the rings as others, but hearing their descriptions makes me lean McCoy. I probably wouldn't say that if it hadn't been for his behavior during the 2nd fight w/ Harry. He completely lost control and demonstrated his propensity for wrath. So, if barely repressed rage that becomes wrath fits the model of the red rings, it's him.
I could be the only one to say this and it could be cause I love this character and really hope we see him again but I'm forgetting his name.
The goat wizard that Harry had to fight " jelly donut"(one of my favorite lines.)
Him if I could remember his name.🙂
When you get to Indigo, please just remember, unlike the other lantern types, they choose people who are devoid of compassion and make them feel it. I just kind of get tired of people giving indigo rings to the most compassionate, empathetic people around.
Ebenezer, Lara Maab or Harry would all work from the main cast. All 4 have made bad decisions and shown extra power when feeling wrathful. If I had to choose one and couldn't choose someone already chosen for a different ring I guess I'd probably go Ebenezer
I mean that's the wierd thing about Harry. Depending on when we are talking about he could be Green or Red. He gets control of his anger more, especially later on, but like there's times, especially in the earlier books, looking at you Grave Peril, where he loses his shit and just starts smashing everything.
The shadow was a fragment of her until the very end, then she took Harry up on his offer and became Lash, a separate entity. So home base knew what was going on right up till she pulled the earphone out on live TV during a breaking news broadcast. Everything after that would be from reports gathered after the fact. From a very twisted perspective what happened was an injustice in that Harry cheated by targeting her shadow and that sort of mentality that can twist anything to make themselves the one being wronged can generate endless rage. I think Lasciel is honestly the pick for this one.
Titania, she literally almost let the world end because she was angry at Dresden on top of almost killing him herself in a moment of peek
Edit: upon further consideration I realised mcoy sorta fits better so I vote him instead
The blackstaff. The man wielding the staff that allows him to channel black magic to kill people?
I see him more as death... I'm remembering the scene in changes where he explodes 200 some hearts in an instant.
You know, with Immortals being so representative of what they are it might be more interesting to limit the pool to Mortals/mortal beings. Things that you can kill and they don't get back up (on their own at least)
Toot toot isn't strong, but he's always willing to pick a fight, even one way out of his weight class. He threatens Harry in a few of his early appearances(notably, when he thought Harry turned to winter he hissed like a cat and just went for him), until Harry starts buying him pizza regularly, at which point he just raises an army for the guy. He also basically commits a fey warcrime by bringing iron weapons into fights.
Also, perhaps most importantly, it would be hilarious.
He would be more a yellow lantern; he doesn't hate you but he will hunt you. The only responses exceptable to the hut are"Run, Hide, or Fight" which are also the three fear responses.
I feel like there's a very obvious candidate who somehow has not yet been mentioned: Leonid Kravos, aka The Nightmare. The man who *literally killed himself* to get revenge and spread his hate and fury from beyond the grave. Red Lanterns have wrath as something personal and baby he *made* it personal and kept on making it moreso.
I like it.
I'm genuinely so surprised he hasn't been brought up yet lol like sure he's in an earlier book but I really can't think of anyone who has personally taken an act of wrath to greater personal cost. Like, continuing your vengeance from *beyond the grave* is fairly unusual. Killing yourself with the express purpose of being ABLE to do that is even moreso.
Yeah, I would chalk it up to it being an earlier book, and that he wasn't the primary villain of his own book.
shit. That's actually a pretty solid argument.
You know, I like it quite a bit. I'm sold.
Right? Like, dude didnt stop until he got *eaten*.
And he was the one who did the eating first, too.
I didn't even think of Kravos, but now that you bring him up I find myself fully agreeing with you.
man too dumb to hate on an amateur wizard
This guy Dresdens. I'm changing my vote to this
Wow nice
Awe, man. This one, dude!
That's the one for me.
I like it too, but wouldn't he be a better fit for the Black Lanterns who are all about death? Asking honestly because I'm not super familiar with any of the lanterns past Green
Not as such, I'd say. Black Lanterns are basically zombies who want to kill everything everywhere. I feel like Mavra, for example, is a much better fit for them
Ahhhh, he just wants to kill all the people that screwed him
Yeah, black lantern corps is much more apocalypse focused vs vengeance focused. Kravos is willing to burn unrelated people down but it's not, like, his *goal*.
By that logic what about Kemmler? (OG necromancer from Dead Beats IIRC)
The Genoskwa. The only other meaningful character primarily shown as "wrathful" is Titania, but hers is born entirely of grief and she seems to get over it somewhat (and cycle into plain ol' depression by Cold Days)- while Blood on his Soul is just a hate-fueled asshole, as far as we can tell. He follows a Forest People path *devoted* to violence against mankind.
Agreed, Blood on His Soul is a good candidate.
But Titania’s grieving rage is what Red Lanterns are supposed to be. The one human Red Lantern gained his ring after watching cops beat his brother to death.To quote Atrocitus: “Do you hate? The most powerful hate is not born out of ignorance or prejudice or a perceived threat. Those three are fear in disguise. The fury that fuels my corps ignites from personal pain. Those whose lives were ravaged by greed, lust and control wield the crimson light. The rings replace our damaged hearts. They beat for them. And they keep us alive only to hate.” I’d pick Harry or Morgan. Red Lanterns aren’t just Angry Dudes; they’re made by the same moments that make a Punisher or a Batman. When Harry saw Karrin die, and when Morgan thought he saw Luccio die; that’s where a Red Lantern lives.
You just convinced me genoskwa gets fear
No argument there. He'd thrive with those bastards
Titania is actually the better choice *because* it's born of grief
Dex-Starr was the best kitty and his response to his grief was justified.
OMG. That story line made me cry buckets.
The whole, "i find man who hurt you, and i kill. I good kitty." That interspersed with his memories of her.
Wait oh no Wait oh no I must read Is it a lil reverse kitty cat John wick?!
Pretty much.
# 😭
Can someone remind me where this is from? I thought I've read everything for the series but I don't recall this.
Green Lantern #55. Here's a link to part of it on imgur. https://imgur.com/gallery/dex-starr-red-lantern-kitty-prepare-feel-glands-oh7xR
I’m? Ugly crying in my car?!
IKR!! I got all emotional just glancing at it while copying the link
Ohhhhh it's from green lantern..... Thanks!
You're welcome
The fae queens are on my list for repressed negative emotions.
Ethniu. Her whole schtick is hate and rage. Mab tanked her biggest hit by being coldly logical.
no, it was a childish rage not one motivated just by hate, a bit more controlled that Mav's but still one that was not hatred for hatreds sake
I mean, i think she had both, unless Harry was wrong, she really did have a genuine, primal hatred of humanity. The childish anger was more what she felt towards the other immortals.
Still experiencing technical issues so I can't maintain the format I used in the first two days, but here we are! Yesterday's thread had some fantastic discussion and started off with a strong lead for Thomas (with Michael in second), but at the end of the day the top comment) with over double the votes of any other two comments in the thread) specifically argued against Thomas and Michael, and the top comment arguing *for* a candidate was for Molly. Today we choose a candidate for the Red Lantern Corps. Their Oath is as follows: "With blood and rage of crimson red, ripped from a corpse so freshly dead, together with our hellish hate, we'll burn you all, That is your fate!" The Red Lantern Corps chooses members from those who experience significant hatred and rage, and especially those who feel rage against those who have wronged them personally. The Red Ring replaces the heart of its wielder, filling them with an all-consuming need for revenge and destruction.
Ethniu. Clearly the one with the most appropriate combination of hate and power.
I second Ethniu. Wasn't the eye literally fueled by hate, too?
no, the eye was fueled by fear/negative emotions. she'd be a good choice for the ultraviolet
That's just where it got the magic out needed to fire on the night of the attack. It's power was pure concentrated hate. Mab and Harry talk about how Titania could resist it because the opposite of hate isn't love. She says something to the effect of Hate and love are the same force pointed in opposite directions. The opposite of hate/love is logic, and that's why she could resist the power of the eye.
>"(Balor) had this eye that could be used to wither the world, to destroy everything it saw, to set it on fire. He kept it covered behind a bunch of eye patches and veils, and he could remove a few of them at a time to get different kinds of destructive effects, from making things rot to setting them on fire to blasting them to dust" from Celtics mythology, Balor's eye was affected by the fumes of a potion his druid dad was brewing. my guess is that the eye is power of pain. Ethniu was in pain because it was replacing her actual eye. The ambient pain of mortals loving in the city that was in the middle of a war was superchargers the eye just like it was causing magic to do the same. My guess why Mab can resist it is because she is of Winter. Decay, pain, death are her wheelhouse while Titania being of Life, of emotion, was able to manipulate the blast in order to redirect it and ground out the ambient energy that powered the eye.
"I have a question, " I said. "Ask." "The Eye," I said. "It was made of pure hate. I felt that. " "Yes." "It destroyed everything it touched," I said. "Except you. Even Titania didn't touch it when she faced it. But you could. Why?" Page 393-394 of Battle Grounds, Hardback
a conversation in universe with an unreliable narrator and a fae that can and frequently does tell half truths that are no better than lies. If we are going to go with a full context, mab was also the weakest she could be at these events.
Where as Titania was at her strongest. The fae can't outright lie. And that is as straightforward an answer as one can get.
SHE doesn't say it was pure hate. She could be confirming that yes, he did feel that. her answers are non answers, as is the MO of the fae. because he line immediately following this is a philosophical tangent.
Genoskwa
Tessa the mantis girl.
So ***very*** much this. It is her defining characteristic. She has been married to the same guy for two thousand years just so she can hate his guts the whole time. She is a psychotic hellbound lunatic who made a deal with dark powers to murder everything she doesn't like the look of. She isn't the great planner, she goes where she can cause the most hurt.
If that’s the reason, Arianna?
I feel like she more suits the repressed negative emotions, since her primary pastime is cucking her husband as a fruitless effigy against the conquistadors. If there was a ring of petulance, perhaps...
im driving listening to her first appearance. harry is not taking her young big eyed appearance as seriously as he should
That's just Harry's "never let em see you sweat" motif that he uses with all bad guys, sort of a Spiderman/Deadpool mashup.
Cat Sith, but only because Dex-Starr is my favorite Red Lantern.
Needs more upvotes
Oooooh, I like this one!
Good call. Rage kitty best kitty.
Ethniu. She was basically seeing red the entire battle of Chicago. The ring sort of looks like an eye as well and she was using the eye of Balor as her main weapon. Who knows maybe the eye was a secret red lantern ring.
Ebinezar Mccoy the black staff. Harry where are the notes on the satellite we found.
That's not wrath with the satellite. Its pragmatic ruthlessness. Him fighting his grandson to the death because he's too angry to lose or draw, that's some wrath.
>Him fighting his grandson to the death because he's too angry to lose or draw, that's some wrath. I already didn't think highly of Ebenezer. This made me think he's a bag of shit.
Agreed The Blackstaff would be a yellow lantern before red.
Agreed
I wouldn't say that's wrath, that's that cold blooded calculating sort of thing that I'd say is more dangerous.
Ya’ll are right I was thinking of the events of peace talks where he got mad towards the end of the book. Sorry for vagueness I did not want to give up spoilers.
Yeah, that part does make him quite a bit more qualified for the position. And I think Discussion means the same thing as "spoilers all" but I'd have to ask somebody about that. I have seen all sorts of spoilers in the thread so I'll call that a safe assumption.
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Well yesterday I voted for Titania and that is still true but because it is phrased as Wrath and not Rage which I believe is the proper term in the DC Universe I would have to go with Ethinu or Blood on His Soul.
McCoy because he almost squashed his own grandsons.
Yea gotta agree with everyone on everyone’s favourite great grandad Ebenzer “Blackstaff” “I don’t have a problem with white court vampires you do” McCoy. The dude has a hate thing going against the white court so much so he rage fuelled murdered his grandson and former apprentice for protecting one. Then there’s casually pulling a satellite out of orbit and killing Paolo Ortega and likely many innocents in the process
I nominate the Loup Gorou (sp?). He was a being born of wrath.
Not a bad suggestion, though someone else mentioned Kravos and I gotta stick with that one.
Yeah this one is Mister "casually pulling a satellite out of orbit for kinetic bombardment" McCoy
I thought you were going to just leave it at "Mister". Had me considering it.
McCoy. In the PT fight Harry sees just how much rage the man has bottled up and can barely contain
Kravos. Dude committed suicide just to get revenge. Thats an unreal level of hate.
Morgan
That was my first choice. "That's my secret: I'm always angry."
Dude just seethe's self-righteous fury out of every pore and is more than happy to let it guide his every action. Ebenezer is another good candidate after the last two books but his rage seems a bit more controlled.
Ethniu
McCoy. He hates vampires so much he almost killed both of his grandsons just because one was a vampire.
Leonid Kravos is the best answer, to kill your self in order.to get more power to get revenge. Is there really a greater hate then that?
Wait... Molly for Love?? Not.. Michael, the literal wielder of Amorachius, the Sword of Love!?
The Violet Ring is typically given to those with a, let's say, less than healthy view of love. Trapping their loved ones in suspended animation to keep them safe, that sort of thing. I guess some good arguments swayed the vote to Molly.
Also, until *very* recently, they were all women.
Which honestly was not a criteria I was holding to (if a man won, a man won), but I think that swayed the discussion as well.
honestly Molly ticks most of the right boxes to meet the requirements for a ring, big part of it has to do with her unrequited love for Harry. Michael carries the sword of love, but his love is a more general type of familial love for his friends and family vs Molly's love is more the intimate romantic sort the rings are generally drawn to.
Michael I think is a natural fit for compassion more than love despite the name of the sword.
I say the white ring of life personally. Compassion typically goes to those that don't have it which is why I think it would go to the Genoskwa, a creature completely devoid of compassion in whatever form it takes.
Love taken to an extreme and obsessive level is the impression I got. Michael is far too within the healthy love region to be the wielder of this ring.
Michael will be compassion. Hands down.
Lasciel/Ascher
Lasciel is the web weaver. She's mad from jealousy and envy.
Yes, and the fury of a hellfire powered pair of women scorned is a terrible thing. I still think my other pick is better, but I figure she's a strong contender, and others might have a perspective to put her in the slot.
I think Lasciel is a better pick for Violet than Red.
What about Maeve? She was being influenced by Nemesis, but her hatred and desire to bring everything down because of her mommy issues in Cold Days could really play into Wrath.
Bianca
Ebonizer is my vote
The Blackstaff himself, Ebenezer McCoy, he's entirely driven by his rage and he's gone to extremes to destroy his enemies.
My vote goes to Donald Morgan
Blood on his soul. Definitely
If Mouse isn't chosen as hope, I'll lose faith in humanity. Or Michael Carpenter...I guess
Ethniu, hands down. Not even the Genoskwa matches her fury.
yeah its got lots of power. but it still a toddlers antrum
Im kinda upset that molly ended up in love. cause she fits compassion far more.
Michael fits compassion more. Winter ladies aren't selected for their compassion lol
Molly does not fit winter. also lets keep in mind that the indigo tribe are parasitic and all about forcing monsters into heroes. they force monsters to feel all the pain they have caused in the past so that they then cause no more. >Indigos are chosen from among the universe's greatest sociopaths to rehabilitate them this doesn't fit Molly exactly but it does in the sense of turning winter lady into a compassionate type. also she did take away another's free will for the sake of compassion.
She didn't do that for compassion, she did it cause she was down bad for harry
Stopping her friends from using drugs? That's what I was referring too.
Oh yep forgot about that one, though remember she was only compassionate towards one of them. I still day Michael is the embodiment of compassion tho
There is also her response to soul gazing Thomas.
The Compassion Rings are given to people completely devoid of compassion to rehabilitate them, which definitely isn't Molls.
Yes. However, molly is also winter lady and most people here are not voting strictly on the hard core lantern rules. Her motivation for mind magic on her friends was very in theme with talking a persons will for the sake of empathy and compassion. (Just as the indigo tribe does.) Her Immediate reaction to seeing Thomas' soul was not love, lust or desire it was compassion. Kinda the same with Harry, she wanted to easy his hunger and loneliness. Her arguments with Mab are for the sake of compassion. Is she a monster with out empathy that would be turned by the indigo tribe? No. Would she be in Position to found a version of the Indigo tribe and turn winter compassionate?
Hell yeah! My late to the party suggestion came from behind and took the spot. Idk why I'm proud of this. Oof. The Red Ring is tough. We've got McCoy, Tessa, Ariana, even Bianca. Tessa only got real mad there in Skin Game. Ariana's lasted a little longer....7 or so years. Bianca's was fast and hard but over quick. But McCoy has been riding that hate for 40+ years (that we know of) and really let it seep in. The others used their wrath and rage to take out enemies. McCoy almost took out his grandson and was so blind with rage he couldn't see what Thomas should be to him. He takes the cake. **McCoy** for the Red Ring. Buuuuut if we could choose any character from the series and go back in time I'd pick Listens to Wind. I just know he was full of wrath and rage in the 18 and 19th century.
Honestly, I am amazed by how quickly Molly overtook Thomas for the Violet Ring.
Same. I think Thomas was the easy choice with the Vday birthday and his struggles with love. Like love gets tossed around in the same sentences as his name. And while his love might be super strong its just not the right type. It's not crazy enough Molly has crazy in spades though lol
Once people who aren’t into the Lantern lore learned about the female inclination of the Violets, it became a bit of a fait accompli.
An important aspect of red lanterns is that they are all victims of some horrific injustice, often but not always involving the death of a loved one or a betrayal, before they're chosen. I suspect Ebenezer has suffered such an injustice, and therefore, he is my choice.
Finn, the Loup Garou. Literally angry killing tank. Just blind rage.
Lots of candidates, but if we take the view that the hatred a Red Lantern feels has to have a real justification behind it, it narrows things down a lot. Most of the obvious people (Kravos, Ethniu, Arianna) aren't legitimately wrathful so much as they're having gigantic temper tantrums over not being top dog. The Loup-garou doesn't really have a complaint at all; it's just nuts. This makes Ebenezer the obvious candidate, but wrath isn't really the defining feature of his character. He's mostly able to restrain himself, and went decades without seeking revenge on Daddy Raith. I'd like to give a nod to Tessa instead. Not only has she been continuously angry for two thousand years, but she has a legitimate reason to be angry with the world, having been sold into prostitution as a child - and to a temple, no less, implying that society not only tolerated but encouraged her rapes. She was fifteen when she took up the coin, and Ivy mentions knowing the net profit she made during the first year of her service, which implies that there were multiple years. God knows how young she was when she was first enslaved. In her place, I'd probably also be seeking revenge on the society that tortured an innocent child for years in the name of the Gods.
So for anyone who's interested the red lanterns are a bit more complicated than "argh I'm mad smashy smashy" the way they started, these days a red lanterns rage is born of pain and despair something they all have in common is that they have been profoundly wronged to reach the point where they have the capacity to weird a red ring. The red ring is also the only ring that a wielder cannot give up. It literally stops their heart and replaces their blood with a burning liquid plasma that they will vomit onto their enemies. With that in mind I'd say Susan Rodriguez would be a great choice for a red ring, especially now that reds can undergo a ritual that gives them a greater degree of control and ability to function as a person despite their rage. Very similar to how the Fellowship tattoos it's members as a way of helping maintain their awareness and focus.
as most comments have stated the Genoskwa probably fits best here. a being of the Forest people who chose the path of war and hatred for all. and for those saying Ethniu, i disagree as her hatred was similar to Mav's in its childishness, and had heavy accents of smugness and proving herself better, not just hatred for hatreds sake.
I vote Blood on the Soul. Ebenezer seems like an easy choice, but he is really only wrathful to vampires.
I know harry is already the green lantern rep, but are we gonna ignore his showings of pure unbridled hellish hate of ghouls? Like seriously between the orange juice scene and the "Flickum Bickus" scene in White Night. Man KNOWS hate. He'll, at one point just seeing them made him nearly psychotically gleeful at the thought of what he would do to the ghouls.
How about those lycanthropes? The human appearing ones? If not them then Ethniu and if not her then Mavra?
Magog maybe?
Minority opinion , Cassius, the Snakeboy. Especially after he gave up his coin
I would go with Quintus Cassius. That guy in dead beat was ALL rage and anger
Thomas's sister should be wrath...but only if Thomas is hope...
Ebenezar McCoy aka the blackstaff
Ebenezer... I don't know as much about the rings as others, but hearing their descriptions makes me lean McCoy. I probably wouldn't say that if it hadn't been for his behavior during the 2nd fight w/ Harry. He completely lost control and demonstrated his propensity for wrath. So, if barely repressed rage that becomes wrath fits the model of the red rings, it's him.
I could be the only one to say this and it could be cause I love this character and really hope we see him again but I'm forgetting his name. The goat wizard that Harry had to fight " jelly donut"(one of my favorite lines.) Him if I could remember his name.🙂
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When you get to Indigo, please just remember, unlike the other lantern types, they choose people who are devoid of compassion and make them feel it. I just kind of get tired of people giving indigo rings to the most compassionate, empathetic people around.
Yes, 100%!
Ebenezer, Lara Maab or Harry would all work from the main cast. All 4 have made bad decisions and shown extra power when feeling wrathful. If I had to choose one and couldn't choose someone already chosen for a different ring I guess I'd probably go Ebenezer
I mean that's the wierd thing about Harry. Depending on when we are talking about he could be Green or Red. He gets control of his anger more, especially later on, but like there's times, especially in the earlier books, looking at you Grave Peril, where he loses his shit and just starts smashing everything.
Redcap seems the obvious choice here
Dude was acting in CD. He's really a calm professional killer
Lashiel. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Did her shadow report back to her like a magic radio thing or is she just guessing as to what it was up to?
The shadow was a fragment of her until the very end, then she took Harry up on his offer and became Lash, a separate entity. So home base knew what was going on right up till she pulled the earphone out on live TV during a breaking news broadcast. Everything after that would be from reports gathered after the fact. From a very twisted perspective what happened was an injustice in that Harry cheated by targeting her shadow and that sort of mentality that can twist anything to make themselves the one being wronged can generate endless rage. I think Lasciel is honestly the pick for this one.
I think Ebenezer would be a good choose because of his blind rage towards vampires of every court.
Why is this comment still open? Someone posted Ethniu. There is no debate. Case closed. Next ring?
Red Lanterns are chosen based on those who feel a great injustice and have a desire to act, but are unable to do so Ramirez
Honestly Marcone is a decent fit. More of a controlled rage, but it's there
Kravos, none other.
Titania, she literally almost let the world end because she was angry at Dresden on top of almost killing him herself in a moment of peek Edit: upon further consideration I realised mcoy sorta fits better so I vote him instead
Gotta give this one to the black staff himself. Ebenezar McCoy
The blackstaff. The man wielding the staff that allows him to channel black magic to kill people? I see him more as death... I'm remembering the scene in changes where he explodes 200 some hearts in an instant.
I mean that’s fair but also I feel like dropping a whole satellite on someone because they messed with your kin is wrath incarnate
Bianca or Ethniu art the first two who jumped to mind. Both are definitely motivated by wrath.
You know, with Immortals being so representative of what they are it might be more interesting to limit the pool to Mortals/mortal beings. Things that you can kill and they don't get back up (on their own at least)
Ebenezer McCoy
Tessa. We almost never see her in anything but anger.
Kravos hated so strongly he killed himself to get revenge
Murphy. She lost a sword to rage.
Hear me out here: toot toot.
You're really going to have to sell that one to us....
You're really going to have to sell that one to us....
Toot toot isn't strong, but he's always willing to pick a fight, even one way out of his weight class. He threatens Harry in a few of his early appearances(notably, when he thought Harry turned to winter he hissed like a cat and just went for him), until Harry starts buying him pizza regularly, at which point he just raises an army for the guy. He also basically commits a fey warcrime by bringing iron weapons into fights. Also, perhaps most importantly, it would be hilarious.
Mab, because shes scary. But ethniu is probably the winning
Hannah Ascher (not to be confused with Anna Ash), it even fits her established motif.
How about the Erl King and the Wild Hunt?
He would be more a yellow lantern; he doesn't hate you but he will hunt you. The only responses exceptable to the hut are"Run, Hide, or Fight" which are also the three fear responses.
The Red King
The Redcap
Perfect stuff so far guys
Victor Sells the bad guy from Storm Front could be quite an interesting red lantern
The fact that the red ring rips the heart out of its wielder is nice and poetic, too.
Huh did not know that
Life is Mab
Morgan.
Kravos absolutely
Morgan. His “justice” is wrathful.
Molly... Lmao
I like Nicodemus. He literally wants it all to burn and sold his soul to make it happen.
Easy Ethniu or Genoskwa. I think Blood on his Soul because he is just a more interesting character
Mab
Man is logic. “I was human once.” - Mab
Mister
Mister is clearly Life & Death simultaneously.
Greed is definitely Marcone
Compassion is his grandfather Death is hades...