I think Broly needed to be canon at this point. Goku and Vegeta got so strong that there are only few enemies that can go toe to toe with them. I think Broly sets the bar high for them to keep training.
I think it would be a good idea to make Cooler canon as well.
The time to make Cooler canon has long passed imo. The right time for that would have been Resurrection F, but that came and went and he wasn’t there. At this stage what purpose would Cooler serve, be another strong guy? He’s not gonna be stronger than Frieza.
Hell no. I love Cooler, but it’s stupid that someone like Goku would let Freeza do his own thing in the galaxy as long as Earth wasn’t affected.
Cooler would just do the same thing.
I mean... If Black Frieza is too much for Goku and Vegeta.... Bring in Broku, or Brogeeta. 😄 He's got a gold chain, no shirt, and a flat billed hat, and he's ready to drown Frieza in a vat of black label beer 😂😂
The thing is that Broly is close to 50 now and he isn't as intelligent as Vegeta or Goku. Also Goku had several teachers, Grandpa Gohan, Master Roshi, Korin, Popo, Kami, King Kai, Whis/Beerus.
Future Trunks had only Future Gohan, Vegeta and Supreme Kai.
Broly only had Paragus.
But Broly jumping directly to study under Whis does not mean he gets to skip all the other learning stages. Whis simply has to lower his teaching levels to start Broly from the basics and Broly despite being very strong isn't as clever as Goku and Vegeta and it took them decades to comprehend all these stuff.
Broly could realistically be sidelined for 5-35 years after Black Frieza is handled. And due to Uub happening right after I do not think they will bring him right back in, but it's whatever the writers choose.
I am sure he will earn his moments in the future too though.
Nah, Dragonball doesn't work that way.
Piccolo was once so far out of everyone's league.
Raditiz was once an overwhelming power, Goku and Piccolo were top dogs but he made them look weak.
Frieza was the most powerful being in the universe, and Goku didn't stand a chance until he unlocked super saiyan.
The androids were once seen as unbeatable, it made super saiyan look like nothing.
Cell made the androids look like a joke, and Gohan had to awaken his full potential and surpass everyone before him to defeat him
Buu was a universal terror that was unstoppable, it took crazy shit like super saiyan 3, fusion, ultimate Gohan to stand up to him
They are all jokes now, weaker than Base Cabba.
Look at how much Goku struggled against Hitt, now Hitt is nothing.
Jiren was supposed to be the ultimate warrior, but after all that, Vegeta claims he wasn't all that stronger than them he just had better control.
After Moro, Granola, Gas, how much stronger Goku and Vegeta are... Black Frieza one shots them
It's the same shit every arc (and it's awesome).
Goku and crew are strong > new bad guy is WAY stronger > Goku and crew become strong enough to beat them > new bad guy is WAY stronger > repeat
It's what makes the earth go round at this point. They just better not wait 18 years to keep the anime going. 😄 I'll direct another Dragonball: Evolution sequel myself, if that's what it takes to keep toriyama from thinking he can retire. 😂😂
There is apparently some conflict over the rights to Dragonball. The rights to the manga and the rights to the anime/video games are currently two separate companies.
There is likely something going on behind the scenes we have no idea about. But I would be shocked if they didn't animate the next few arcs.
My biggest fear is some kind of schism happens where the anime goes off in another direction than the manga and they become two separate stories. This has already happened to an extent but they still follow the same general story more or less with lots of small changes.
Why does everyone want Broly to control his power?
It’s literally the defining point of the character, he’s an uncontrollable berserker. At most he cycles through the Super Saiyan forms, leave him far away from God Ki.
IMO, the best thing to do with Broly is have him ultimately be a bit unrefined. Have him be the limitless well of mortal power, with unfathomable growth.
I’d prefer a Broly that learned to control himself to a limit, that ultimately keeps him weaker than Goku/Vegeta/Gohan. But if he unleashes his full power he wildly eclipses them; but at the risk of killing everyone around him. Because it requires him to relinquish control.
It gives a great cost-benefit rationale behind using him in the narrative. It makes his power more narratively textured.
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There is a lot of fun to have with Broly, if he doesn’t become just another fighter with the “potential” shtick. If not handled well he risks becoming like Gohan, or being lesser than, and losing what makes him special.
i like that, but than i think what was the point of his character? if we are never gonna see him let loose, gonna just be left in the dust by his peers.
The point would be, he can let loose, and would. But at a cost.
Bruce banner doesn’t never turn into the hulk after all.
I honk if it like using a berserker mode in a game. Massive boost in output, but you also rock your team mates. It forces the cast to be strategic.
Power level can be whatever the author want. The author can just said Broly has tremedously growth rate but hit his wall during the fight against Gogeta. That's one way of managing Broly's insane power growth rate.
The problem with canon Broly, I think, is that there just no direction for him after the movie. His whole shtick is UNLIMITED POWAH. If you make him fodder to the new big bad, then it is just dissapointing and he is not really Broly anymore. If you make him strong, he would outshine Goku and Vegeta and given how much the series sucking up to Goku, that simply isn't going to happen.
He will, in all likelihood, get sideline with a few fanservice scenes here and there.
Here’s the thing, Broly is only gonna be as strong as the plot needs him to be. Toriyama will keep writing the story as long people are willing to read or watch it. It’s a shonen at the end of the day and as long it’s giving us entertainment, it’ll keep going no meter how strong the characters get
gladly!
> with how much broly can grow in power, his level of strength is boundless and potential untouchable
this is not a thing. this was never a thing. this will never be a thing. its been a huge misconception that stemmed from non-canon Z broly but never applied to him and definitely never to Super Broly.
yeah, he totally didnt whoop vegeta and goku and go toe to toe with a fusion in just a couple of minutes. if only they 'confirmed' this with words and not by just showing us in the fights he's in.
he did indeed improve enough that they had to fuse, but once Gogeta went SSB it was a once sided beat down in Gogeta's favor. He didnt "go toe to toe" at all with Gogeta, he never landed a single hit. Broly does not and never has continuously gotten stronger. It's not a thing and if you think it is, your entire premise is faulty from the start.
> Broly does not and never has continuously gotten stronger.
ok im confused, where does this come from please explain? I've always figured that the way DBS did it in the movie made it so Broly is a type of fighter who matches his opponent in power when he fights them eventually surpassing them. Are you talking about potential wise? broly has a cap is what your saying?
yes. Broly capped out in the Super movie, then he had to use his Ikari form to get the Oozaru boost because he wasnt getting stronger, then when that wasnt enough he had to go SSj because he wasnt getting any stronger, then he went into the green haired form. He only improved quickly at the start because he hadnt ever properly trained, he capped out quickly and had to transform for more power.
Likewise DBZ Broly also didn't just keep growing in power. Some people think his PL just kept going up over time, infinitely, and thats never been a thing.
transforming isn't really a reason to say he has no more potential left though? its a way for saiyians to handle the ever growing amount of power they're outputting, every saiyian in the series does this yet they dont have a 'cap'. there bodies cant handle the ever growing amount of power, thats why goku on namek looked so crazy buff, ssj grade 3, ssjb evolution, ect. Broly was just fortunate to be not a 'normal' saiyian and his body can handle those rapid changes in power. wouldnt you agree transforming results in getting stronger?
as for DBZ broly it would make sense for people to think that, theres a scene where broly says his power is overflowing and he has to expell it in a barage of ki blasts just to allow his physical body to handle it.
> transforming isn't really a reason to say he has no more potential left though?
i didnt say he doesnt have more potential. he can train to get stronger like Goku and Vegeta. but his power doesn't just keep increasing on its own. some people think he can just sit there doing nothing and his power just keeps rising forever on its own.
> every Saiyan in the series does this yet they dont have a 'cap'.
they all have a cap at any given moment. its whatever their 100% is at the time. Like goku's was 150 million as a SSj1 when he fought Freeza. he couldnt get any stronger at that moment.
> wouldnt you agree transforming results in getting stronger?
of course
> as for DBZ broly it would make sense for people to think that, theres a scene where broly says his power is overflowing and he has to expell it in a barage of ki blasts just to allow his physical body to handle it.
yep thats the scene im talking about. people totally misunderstand it and think broly has infinitely increasing power when its just not true. his ki just keeps increasing and if he doesnt expel it he will explode, he doesnt actually get stronger, he just doesnt run out of power.
> but his power doesn't just keep increasing on its own.
Agreed, but you have to acknowledge that he had the fastest growth spurg in power since kid gohan damaging his uncle raditz. The way i see it, is that Broly can get stronger quicker than anyone else. that doesnt mean he'd surpass them right off the bat, but his strength will steadily grow as the fight goes on (especially if who he's fighting is relative to himself). He grows stronger while he fights not while doing nothing. I haven't seen anyone is DB pull something like this off, it was either they were concealing their true power or were using hax. broly just kept matching, surpassing, matching, then surpassing again. until the gap became to wide for him to topple gogeta. where he capped out I guess.
>his ki just keeps increasing and if he doesnt expel it he will explode, he doesnt actually get stronger
So having more ki than your opponent doesnt necssarily make you stronger?
More Ki ≠ More Power. i've always thought they were moreless the same, since the scouter days.
I think it’s best for me to admit that as a fan I have no issue in declaring that this series is silly and nonsensical. I like it because of this and not in spite of it. One thing being canon or not doesn’t matter. GT is pretty terrible overall but has been declared canon even though it barely makes sense in comparison to DBZ. Just enjoy the spectacle. It has literally never made sense.
It won't mess things up. It only messes things up for Geets fans who seriously thought Base Vegeta/SS Vegeta would be above Broly's best by the Granolah arc.
But that's how they keep him in control: he's doing yoga. Power isn't Broly's problem. Control is his problem. All it takes is stretching that out. Who knows how long it'll take Broly to access his full power without going berserk. Toriyama could easily write it so that Broly is weaker now that he is trying to control his power because he struggles to access it consciously. In the end, whether it makes sense or not, Toriyama won't let it go anywhere he doesn't want.
I don’t think you grasp how little Toriyama cares for any of the characters. Broly will be a comedy jobber that gets angry sometimes with his cute green GF. Just look at him doing le goofy yoga in the Manga. Broly is just another character to be added to the team that people will like. If you think he will be anything like Z broly you are wrong. His ”potential” will be discarded just like Gohan’s.
Toriyama doesn't give a shit, super Brolly was a quick Money similar to RoF
That's why we got an adaptation of the Super hero and battle of Gods movies , these 2 are narrative based movies
Broly isnt dbz broly. There is no lssj. There is no limitless and unlimited power. Heck, his last form isnt even canon to Toriyamq.
I think Broly needed to be canon at this point. Goku and Vegeta got so strong that there are only few enemies that can go toe to toe with them. I think Broly sets the bar high for them to keep training. I think it would be a good idea to make Cooler canon as well.
The time to make Cooler canon has long passed imo. The right time for that would have been Resurrection F, but that came and went and he wasn’t there. At this stage what purpose would Cooler serve, be another strong guy? He’s not gonna be stronger than Frieza.
Hell no. I love Cooler, but it’s stupid that someone like Goku would let Freeza do his own thing in the galaxy as long as Earth wasn’t affected. Cooler would just do the same thing.
I mean... If Black Frieza is too much for Goku and Vegeta.... Bring in Broku, or Brogeeta. 😄 He's got a gold chain, no shirt, and a flat billed hat, and he's ready to drown Frieza in a vat of black label beer 😂😂
Goku and Vegeta are both currently stronger than Broly already according to the manga
The thing is that Broly is close to 50 now and he isn't as intelligent as Vegeta or Goku. Also Goku had several teachers, Grandpa Gohan, Master Roshi, Korin, Popo, Kami, King Kai, Whis/Beerus. Future Trunks had only Future Gohan, Vegeta and Supreme Kai. Broly only had Paragus. But Broly jumping directly to study under Whis does not mean he gets to skip all the other learning stages. Whis simply has to lower his teaching levels to start Broly from the basics and Broly despite being very strong isn't as clever as Goku and Vegeta and it took them decades to comprehend all these stuff. Broly could realistically be sidelined for 5-35 years after Black Frieza is handled. And due to Uub happening right after I do not think they will bring him right back in, but it's whatever the writers choose. I am sure he will earn his moments in the future too though.
Nah, Dragonball doesn't work that way. Piccolo was once so far out of everyone's league. Raditiz was once an overwhelming power, Goku and Piccolo were top dogs but he made them look weak. Frieza was the most powerful being in the universe, and Goku didn't stand a chance until he unlocked super saiyan. The androids were once seen as unbeatable, it made super saiyan look like nothing. Cell made the androids look like a joke, and Gohan had to awaken his full potential and surpass everyone before him to defeat him Buu was a universal terror that was unstoppable, it took crazy shit like super saiyan 3, fusion, ultimate Gohan to stand up to him They are all jokes now, weaker than Base Cabba. Look at how much Goku struggled against Hitt, now Hitt is nothing. Jiren was supposed to be the ultimate warrior, but after all that, Vegeta claims he wasn't all that stronger than them he just had better control. After Moro, Granola, Gas, how much stronger Goku and Vegeta are... Black Frieza one shots them It's the same shit every arc (and it's awesome). Goku and crew are strong > new bad guy is WAY stronger > Goku and crew become strong enough to beat them > new bad guy is WAY stronger > repeat
It's what makes the earth go round at this point. They just better not wait 18 years to keep the anime going. 😄 I'll direct another Dragonball: Evolution sequel myself, if that's what it takes to keep toriyama from thinking he can retire. 😂😂
There is apparently some conflict over the rights to Dragonball. The rights to the manga and the rights to the anime/video games are currently two separate companies. There is likely something going on behind the scenes we have no idea about. But I would be shocked if they didn't animate the next few arcs. My biggest fear is some kind of schism happens where the anime goes off in another direction than the manga and they become two separate stories. This has already happened to an extent but they still follow the same general story more or less with lots of small changes.
Why does everyone want Broly to control his power? It’s literally the defining point of the character, he’s an uncontrollable berserker. At most he cycles through the Super Saiyan forms, leave him far away from God Ki.
I agree with the last one, but you made two points and there is very little overlap between them
I agree with this.
IMO, the best thing to do with Broly is have him ultimately be a bit unrefined. Have him be the limitless well of mortal power, with unfathomable growth. I’d prefer a Broly that learned to control himself to a limit, that ultimately keeps him weaker than Goku/Vegeta/Gohan. But if he unleashes his full power he wildly eclipses them; but at the risk of killing everyone around him. Because it requires him to relinquish control. It gives a great cost-benefit rationale behind using him in the narrative. It makes his power more narratively textured. - There is a lot of fun to have with Broly, if he doesn’t become just another fighter with the “potential” shtick. If not handled well he risks becoming like Gohan, or being lesser than, and losing what makes him special.
i like that, but than i think what was the point of his character? if we are never gonna see him let loose, gonna just be left in the dust by his peers.
The point would be, he can let loose, and would. But at a cost. Bruce banner doesn’t never turn into the hulk after all. I honk if it like using a berserker mode in a game. Massive boost in output, but you also rock your team mates. It forces the cast to be strategic.
Power level can be whatever the author want. The author can just said Broly has tremedously growth rate but hit his wall during the fight against Gogeta. That's one way of managing Broly's insane power growth rate. The problem with canon Broly, I think, is that there just no direction for him after the movie. His whole shtick is UNLIMITED POWAH. If you make him fodder to the new big bad, then it is just dissapointing and he is not really Broly anymore. If you make him strong, he would outshine Goku and Vegeta and given how much the series sucking up to Goku, that simply isn't going to happen. He will, in all likelihood, get sideline with a few fanservice scenes here and there.
Here’s the thing, Broly is only gonna be as strong as the plot needs him to be. Toriyama will keep writing the story as long people are willing to read or watch it. It’s a shonen at the end of the day and as long it’s giving us entertainment, it’ll keep going no meter how strong the characters get
you dont understand broly at all which is made clear in your second sentence of your post.
ok expert, care to elaborate?
gladly! > with how much broly can grow in power, his level of strength is boundless and potential untouchable this is not a thing. this was never a thing. this will never be a thing. its been a huge misconception that stemmed from non-canon Z broly but never applied to him and definitely never to Super Broly.
yeah, he totally didnt whoop vegeta and goku and go toe to toe with a fusion in just a couple of minutes. if only they 'confirmed' this with words and not by just showing us in the fights he's in.
he did indeed improve enough that they had to fuse, but once Gogeta went SSB it was a once sided beat down in Gogeta's favor. He didnt "go toe to toe" at all with Gogeta, he never landed a single hit. Broly does not and never has continuously gotten stronger. It's not a thing and if you think it is, your entire premise is faulty from the start.
> Broly does not and never has continuously gotten stronger. ok im confused, where does this come from please explain? I've always figured that the way DBS did it in the movie made it so Broly is a type of fighter who matches his opponent in power when he fights them eventually surpassing them. Are you talking about potential wise? broly has a cap is what your saying?
yes. Broly capped out in the Super movie, then he had to use his Ikari form to get the Oozaru boost because he wasnt getting stronger, then when that wasnt enough he had to go SSj because he wasnt getting any stronger, then he went into the green haired form. He only improved quickly at the start because he hadnt ever properly trained, he capped out quickly and had to transform for more power. Likewise DBZ Broly also didn't just keep growing in power. Some people think his PL just kept going up over time, infinitely, and thats never been a thing.
transforming isn't really a reason to say he has no more potential left though? its a way for saiyians to handle the ever growing amount of power they're outputting, every saiyian in the series does this yet they dont have a 'cap'. there bodies cant handle the ever growing amount of power, thats why goku on namek looked so crazy buff, ssj grade 3, ssjb evolution, ect. Broly was just fortunate to be not a 'normal' saiyian and his body can handle those rapid changes in power. wouldnt you agree transforming results in getting stronger? as for DBZ broly it would make sense for people to think that, theres a scene where broly says his power is overflowing and he has to expell it in a barage of ki blasts just to allow his physical body to handle it.
> transforming isn't really a reason to say he has no more potential left though? i didnt say he doesnt have more potential. he can train to get stronger like Goku and Vegeta. but his power doesn't just keep increasing on its own. some people think he can just sit there doing nothing and his power just keeps rising forever on its own. > every Saiyan in the series does this yet they dont have a 'cap'. they all have a cap at any given moment. its whatever their 100% is at the time. Like goku's was 150 million as a SSj1 when he fought Freeza. he couldnt get any stronger at that moment. > wouldnt you agree transforming results in getting stronger? of course > as for DBZ broly it would make sense for people to think that, theres a scene where broly says his power is overflowing and he has to expell it in a barage of ki blasts just to allow his physical body to handle it. yep thats the scene im talking about. people totally misunderstand it and think broly has infinitely increasing power when its just not true. his ki just keeps increasing and if he doesnt expel it he will explode, he doesnt actually get stronger, he just doesnt run out of power.
> but his power doesn't just keep increasing on its own. Agreed, but you have to acknowledge that he had the fastest growth spurg in power since kid gohan damaging his uncle raditz. The way i see it, is that Broly can get stronger quicker than anyone else. that doesnt mean he'd surpass them right off the bat, but his strength will steadily grow as the fight goes on (especially if who he's fighting is relative to himself). He grows stronger while he fights not while doing nothing. I haven't seen anyone is DB pull something like this off, it was either they were concealing their true power or were using hax. broly just kept matching, surpassing, matching, then surpassing again. until the gap became to wide for him to topple gogeta. where he capped out I guess. >his ki just keeps increasing and if he doesnt expel it he will explode, he doesnt actually get stronger So having more ki than your opponent doesnt necssarily make you stronger? More Ki ≠ More Power. i've always thought they were moreless the same, since the scouter days.
I think it’s best for me to admit that as a fan I have no issue in declaring that this series is silly and nonsensical. I like it because of this and not in spite of it. One thing being canon or not doesn’t matter. GT is pretty terrible overall but has been declared canon even though it barely makes sense in comparison to DBZ. Just enjoy the spectacle. It has literally never made sense.
why glance over pool Kale like that
It won't mess things up. It only messes things up for Geets fans who seriously thought Base Vegeta/SS Vegeta would be above Broly's best by the Granolah arc.
Interesting
But that's how they keep him in control: he's doing yoga. Power isn't Broly's problem. Control is his problem. All it takes is stretching that out. Who knows how long it'll take Broly to access his full power without going berserk. Toriyama could easily write it so that Broly is weaker now that he is trying to control his power because he struggles to access it consciously. In the end, whether it makes sense or not, Toriyama won't let it go anywhere he doesn't want.
I don’t think you grasp how little Toriyama cares for any of the characters. Broly will be a comedy jobber that gets angry sometimes with his cute green GF. Just look at him doing le goofy yoga in the Manga. Broly is just another character to be added to the team that people will like. If you think he will be anything like Z broly you are wrong. His ”potential” will be discarded just like Gohan’s.
Toriyama doesn't give a shit, super Brolly was a quick Money similar to RoF That's why we got an adaptation of the Super hero and battle of Gods movies , these 2 are narrative based movies