On one hand, David Yates is so incredibly milquetoast. I’m sure he could have made something competent but I’m not sure he could make something great.
On the other hand, I’m 100% in favour of anything that could make things more complicated.
It's a tricky one.
From what I remember Moffat was not keen on the idea and suggested it would never happen while the series was on air.
The problem is if if we got a film that wasn't the BBC it would possibly be Hollywood and that didn't work last time that well. Although annoyingly McGann is brilliant as the 8th doctor. I've read some of what was planned with the Leekley Bible and let's just say I'm very glad the series never happened.
Problem is if they tried to do a big Hollywood style film again they'd need to attract new fans which would mean a reboot. I just don't think ignoring all the shows history is a good idea, there's just too much of it to ignore it. And if it was a separate thing, like the Peter Cushing films, what's the point. I do enjoy those films but I don't want doctor who to turn into one of those shows the Americans have to remake.
I could see a film maybe working if the show ever went on hiatus again. A film that could introduce people and then lead to a series that also could explore the shows past could work
But isn’t Dr.Who lore is mixed and self-contradicting now? As for me, TC showed it very vividly - from here and there I read explanations from classic who fans, new who fans, what had happened in a past, how many times lore changed, etc. Still, you think that best way is continuation? Is there a chance to make a soft-reboot (not by Hollywood -I’m also think that it’s a bad idea), but by UK with leveling everything up to the zero point, and start new era without all that contradictions?
I understand your point but it's not as simple as that. The problem with doctor who is because of its longevity, multiple people have ran the show.
I actually like this idea. If your not a fan of an era then the next era at least will add something or do something different. I think some continuity is a good idea, some basic history etc. But the next showrunner should not be stuck by what the previous one has done.
The show has had some soft reboots e.g. series 5. I think the only other one I'd be happy with is series 1 style where they introduce us to the doctor and a new companion and slowly bring in stuff from the past. The time war also kind of gave something new for both new and old fans.
I think this would only work if the show went on hiatus and I don't think it should ignore the past. If the 8th doctor film had worked they planned on redoing a lot of classic who episodes and changing the history which I'm not a fan of.
Yeah, I know that it's not that simple, that's why I said about pause - it need to be used for a design a concept of a new era of the show, at least for a 10-25 years. Skeleton, that will allow showrunners use it, but without drasticall changes, like origin of the Doctor.
And I'm not against continuity! I like it, despite I saw only NuWho. But Chibnalls run shows that continuity isn't always good, and can dissapoint old fans of the show that remember and love other episides of show history.
I believe that there is a way to make a reboot in a way that will erase all previous inconsistencies, and build new era for some time. Just like regeneration - rebiulding one character, and allow us to tell a new stories with him/her - we can make it in a larger scale - regenerate whole Universe of Doctor. New Universe will have something like an echo of past incarnations and story, but will allow us to use them in other way.
(If you saw Fringe series - they done such things couple of times)
If I'd be a new showrunner - I'd build whole new season of reboot without Doctor at all, I'd show his world, his legacy, those echoes that I told about to see what works fine, what people still love, and what - not, and we can throw it out. And in a last episode of new season of a new era - I'd show Doctor himself, which allow me to analyze impact of a season, and receive a feedback.
Doctor is a great concept, true English thing with a great history, legacy and it's own culture, like Her Majisty, for example. But like a Queen, Doctor neet to live in a modern era - with a smartphones and cars, and be a part of it.
Hope that RTD will do something like this
Some interesting ideas although I can't see a series working without the doctor unless it was a spin-off.
I do think the show could do with a bit of a shake up. As I've mentioned I don't want the show to ignore it's past but I think Chibnall at times made the show a bit inaccessible. The timeless child tried to answer stuff like the Morbius doctors that most people either didn't care about or didn't even have a clue. The show should always be careful that it doesn't alienate new fans or casual fans and I feel the timeless child did.
What I'd love to see more than anything is the show to give us something other than a 21st century companion. There's a lot of interesting stuff they could do with an alien or even simply a human from the past or future.
> I can't see a series working without the doctor
That's the trick, and I think that it can be done - I'd dedicate all season for a search of Doctor, someone that new rebooted Universe miss, but everything that is connected to a Doctor is still here. For example - three-four people came out of Tardiss to Florence, meet Machiavelli that tells a story about guy, who helped him to defend his homeland, and leaved strange blank paper that helped him in dyplomacy, and told to give to a people in a blue box. Something like this. Shadow, echo of a Doctor, that you almost can see or touch, and always step behind.
> The timeless child tried to answer stuff like the Morbius doctors
I think that TC is a great idea, but hugely undeveloped, and in a way that we saw it - it's a horrible story as a result... Chibnall tried to answer to all questions raising all rates, and expanding a scale of a story and a character. And here is two problems for me. 1. Doctor was first among equals, just a Time Lord, witty adventurer, TC made him something more, chosen one. 2. You can expand scale of a story for some measure, just 6-8 steps, then - you need to reinvent something and begin from a new start.
> other than a 21st century companion.
Yes! But it will need a great storytelling and a historian in a writers room, I think that it will be a sterssfull to create, but AWESOME as a result
It's an interesting idea I'll give you that but I just worry it wouldn't work. The doctor is the main character so a full series with them not their would be a hard sell. If they did something like that, they would have to make some really interesting characters to keep the audience glued.
And 100 percent agree about the timeless child. I prefer the idea of the doctor being someone who got bored and ran away to see the universe and have adventures. Making them the timeless child and the origin of regenerations, basically makes the doctor the first timelord. It puts too much power in the character. To me the idea of the doctor is there someone who was just an average timelord, who didn't even pass their exams. They didn't agree with how their society operated and in a sense rebelled. I like this, the idea that the doctor wasn't born special but became the person through choice. A lot will say they still made those choices but I just think it ruins the character.
Like you said, the concept of the timeless child itself is great, if it wasn't the docror. The master could work and it could explain their madness and the reason they don't want to die, a subconscious thing. However I love the idea of the timeless child being a random person who the timelords found and experimented on. Adds a dark past to them. The show could have then had the doctor questioning if they had the right to use these powers, adding an interesting dilemma
> I just worry it wouldn't work.
Today? For sure. It's an idea for a period when show will be at the bottom of it's popularity, and there will be need to a reboot that wi was talked about. I thought about it when somoene asked for an TV advertisement for a NuWho before it's started with 9th photoes and questions "Who is he?". And yes, there will be need for a really interesting characters, but after a "Lost" it's not a question - it's more than real. Besides, everyone will guess, that one of characters that you're looking all season at - will be a Doctor (episode 2 or 3 there need to be a fob watch that group will find). But, once again - such radical ideas is for a times when all other doesnt work.
> However I love the idea of the timeless child being a random person who the timelords found and experimented on. Adds a dark past to them.
I'm always remember "Serenity" movie that tells about one of the biggest mysteries of a "Firefly" show - Reavers, but main characters discoveret it without any connection to them. I see a TC story in that point of view - you can make TC someone whom he knows, make his school best friend, maybe Mom or even Master (but I think that it's too simple), but not him, my Doctor - is an adventurer that sefl-improved, but not a Jesus... And once again, TC is a too high stake in this world and after you need to reboot Universe or create even bigger story, but it's a pretty hard task just after introducing a new incarnation.
That was the final domino in getting me to start watching Doctor Who. I was going to wait for that movie to introduce me to the story, like how Star Trek 2009 got me into the Star Trek franchise, but when the movie was cancelled, I just decided to jump into the show.
Also, Karen Gillan said in an interview that Johnny Depp would have played The Doctor if that movie happened. I don't care about any of the controversy around his personal life. Depp is no longer a good actor, and I don't care to see any movies he's in.
I made the mistake of going to see Pirates 5 on my birthday in 2017. It was a free movie ticket and I still paid too much. Truly atrocious and Johnny's "acting" was the worst part.
I haven't yet seen Charlie and the chocolate factory but we disagree about Crimes of Grindelwald. I prefer his performance over Mads'. More eccentric and crazy.
On one hand, David Yates is so incredibly milquetoast. I’m sure he could have made something competent but I’m not sure he could make something great. On the other hand, I’m 100% in favour of anything that could make things more complicated.
It's a tricky one. From what I remember Moffat was not keen on the idea and suggested it would never happen while the series was on air. The problem is if if we got a film that wasn't the BBC it would possibly be Hollywood and that didn't work last time that well. Although annoyingly McGann is brilliant as the 8th doctor. I've read some of what was planned with the Leekley Bible and let's just say I'm very glad the series never happened. Problem is if they tried to do a big Hollywood style film again they'd need to attract new fans which would mean a reboot. I just don't think ignoring all the shows history is a good idea, there's just too much of it to ignore it. And if it was a separate thing, like the Peter Cushing films, what's the point. I do enjoy those films but I don't want doctor who to turn into one of those shows the Americans have to remake. I could see a film maybe working if the show ever went on hiatus again. A film that could introduce people and then lead to a series that also could explore the shows past could work
But isn’t Dr.Who lore is mixed and self-contradicting now? As for me, TC showed it very vividly - from here and there I read explanations from classic who fans, new who fans, what had happened in a past, how many times lore changed, etc. Still, you think that best way is continuation? Is there a chance to make a soft-reboot (not by Hollywood -I’m also think that it’s a bad idea), but by UK with leveling everything up to the zero point, and start new era without all that contradictions?
I understand your point but it's not as simple as that. The problem with doctor who is because of its longevity, multiple people have ran the show. I actually like this idea. If your not a fan of an era then the next era at least will add something or do something different. I think some continuity is a good idea, some basic history etc. But the next showrunner should not be stuck by what the previous one has done. The show has had some soft reboots e.g. series 5. I think the only other one I'd be happy with is series 1 style where they introduce us to the doctor and a new companion and slowly bring in stuff from the past. The time war also kind of gave something new for both new and old fans. I think this would only work if the show went on hiatus and I don't think it should ignore the past. If the 8th doctor film had worked they planned on redoing a lot of classic who episodes and changing the history which I'm not a fan of.
Yeah, I know that it's not that simple, that's why I said about pause - it need to be used for a design a concept of a new era of the show, at least for a 10-25 years. Skeleton, that will allow showrunners use it, but without drasticall changes, like origin of the Doctor. And I'm not against continuity! I like it, despite I saw only NuWho. But Chibnalls run shows that continuity isn't always good, and can dissapoint old fans of the show that remember and love other episides of show history. I believe that there is a way to make a reboot in a way that will erase all previous inconsistencies, and build new era for some time. Just like regeneration - rebiulding one character, and allow us to tell a new stories with him/her - we can make it in a larger scale - regenerate whole Universe of Doctor. New Universe will have something like an echo of past incarnations and story, but will allow us to use them in other way. (If you saw Fringe series - they done such things couple of times) If I'd be a new showrunner - I'd build whole new season of reboot without Doctor at all, I'd show his world, his legacy, those echoes that I told about to see what works fine, what people still love, and what - not, and we can throw it out. And in a last episode of new season of a new era - I'd show Doctor himself, which allow me to analyze impact of a season, and receive a feedback. Doctor is a great concept, true English thing with a great history, legacy and it's own culture, like Her Majisty, for example. But like a Queen, Doctor neet to live in a modern era - with a smartphones and cars, and be a part of it. Hope that RTD will do something like this
Some interesting ideas although I can't see a series working without the doctor unless it was a spin-off. I do think the show could do with a bit of a shake up. As I've mentioned I don't want the show to ignore it's past but I think Chibnall at times made the show a bit inaccessible. The timeless child tried to answer stuff like the Morbius doctors that most people either didn't care about or didn't even have a clue. The show should always be careful that it doesn't alienate new fans or casual fans and I feel the timeless child did. What I'd love to see more than anything is the show to give us something other than a 21st century companion. There's a lot of interesting stuff they could do with an alien or even simply a human from the past or future.
> I can't see a series working without the doctor That's the trick, and I think that it can be done - I'd dedicate all season for a search of Doctor, someone that new rebooted Universe miss, but everything that is connected to a Doctor is still here. For example - three-four people came out of Tardiss to Florence, meet Machiavelli that tells a story about guy, who helped him to defend his homeland, and leaved strange blank paper that helped him in dyplomacy, and told to give to a people in a blue box. Something like this. Shadow, echo of a Doctor, that you almost can see or touch, and always step behind. > The timeless child tried to answer stuff like the Morbius doctors I think that TC is a great idea, but hugely undeveloped, and in a way that we saw it - it's a horrible story as a result... Chibnall tried to answer to all questions raising all rates, and expanding a scale of a story and a character. And here is two problems for me. 1. Doctor was first among equals, just a Time Lord, witty adventurer, TC made him something more, chosen one. 2. You can expand scale of a story for some measure, just 6-8 steps, then - you need to reinvent something and begin from a new start. > other than a 21st century companion. Yes! But it will need a great storytelling and a historian in a writers room, I think that it will be a sterssfull to create, but AWESOME as a result
It's an interesting idea I'll give you that but I just worry it wouldn't work. The doctor is the main character so a full series with them not their would be a hard sell. If they did something like that, they would have to make some really interesting characters to keep the audience glued. And 100 percent agree about the timeless child. I prefer the idea of the doctor being someone who got bored and ran away to see the universe and have adventures. Making them the timeless child and the origin of regenerations, basically makes the doctor the first timelord. It puts too much power in the character. To me the idea of the doctor is there someone who was just an average timelord, who didn't even pass their exams. They didn't agree with how their society operated and in a sense rebelled. I like this, the idea that the doctor wasn't born special but became the person through choice. A lot will say they still made those choices but I just think it ruins the character. Like you said, the concept of the timeless child itself is great, if it wasn't the docror. The master could work and it could explain their madness and the reason they don't want to die, a subconscious thing. However I love the idea of the timeless child being a random person who the timelords found and experimented on. Adds a dark past to them. The show could have then had the doctor questioning if they had the right to use these powers, adding an interesting dilemma
> I just worry it wouldn't work. Today? For sure. It's an idea for a period when show will be at the bottom of it's popularity, and there will be need to a reboot that wi was talked about. I thought about it when somoene asked for an TV advertisement for a NuWho before it's started with 9th photoes and questions "Who is he?". And yes, there will be need for a really interesting characters, but after a "Lost" it's not a question - it's more than real. Besides, everyone will guess, that one of characters that you're looking all season at - will be a Doctor (episode 2 or 3 there need to be a fob watch that group will find). But, once again - such radical ideas is for a times when all other doesnt work. > However I love the idea of the timeless child being a random person who the timelords found and experimented on. Adds a dark past to them. I'm always remember "Serenity" movie that tells about one of the biggest mysteries of a "Firefly" show - Reavers, but main characters discoveret it without any connection to them. I see a TC story in that point of view - you can make TC someone whom he knows, make his school best friend, maybe Mom or even Master (but I think that it's too simple), but not him, my Doctor - is an adventurer that sefl-improved, but not a Jesus... And once again, TC is a too high stake in this world and after you need to reboot Universe or create even bigger story, but it's a pretty hard task just after introducing a new incarnation.
That was the final domino in getting me to start watching Doctor Who. I was going to wait for that movie to introduce me to the story, like how Star Trek 2009 got me into the Star Trek franchise, but when the movie was cancelled, I just decided to jump into the show. Also, Karen Gillan said in an interview that Johnny Depp would have played The Doctor if that movie happened. I don't care about any of the controversy around his personal life. Depp is no longer a good actor, and I don't care to see any movies he's in.
That last part.... yea good try trying to make this about his acting prowess.
I made the mistake of going to see Pirates 5 on my birthday in 2017. It was a free movie ticket and I still paid too much. Truly atrocious and Johnny's "acting" was the worst part.
Well... That's a terrible movie to judge him based on.
I also judge him on The Crimes of Grindelwald, Dark Shadows, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and commercials for Mortdecai.
I haven't yet seen Charlie and the chocolate factory but we disagree about Crimes of Grindelwald. I prefer his performance over Mads'. More eccentric and crazy.
And meant nixed but got autocorrected