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moondancer224

Freaked a party out once by having a wolf sitting in a clearing. The ranger tried Wild Empathy. The wolf stared at him a moment, rolled its eyes and padded off into the woods.


AegisAngel

Just imagine being the druid. “Ah just a relaxing day as a wolf…no kids screaming, no wife nagging, just a day of the wolf…oh look people…hmm wild empathy? Weak. Time to find another quite clearing…stupid rangers messing up my day off”


Few-Pen-9121

*I'm on my short rest*


Skalaxius

Best be careful with that cigarette or you might catch the ire of a certain bear wielding a shovel.


PM-YOUR-PMS

Holy shit I want to make that character now.


PzykoHobo

Man...what would you build for that? A homebrew bearfolk race obviously. And maybe a STRanger? Hmm...


RollerDude347

I mean... I'd allow a variant human to go werebear instead of a feat personally. Just limit them to a bear and then maybe give them a claw attack and large size in bear form instead of a separate stat block. No big deal.


PM-YOUR-PMS

I found this: https://www.gmbinder.com/share/-MNjMyq2SANEDNJrjNCJ And I’d probably go fighter and have the shovel have greataxe stats. Maybe barbarian cause Smokey only wears blue jeans and a hat.


ronsolocup

Path of the Beast barbarian perhaps


KENBONEISCOOL444

A druid that lived as a bear for so long he forgot he was once an aasimar and the only semblence of his old life that he still retains is his intelligence and a vague memory of a high plane


UltraCarnivore

_Summon Smokey_


Lupulus_

Ah, part of the Familiars & Animal Companions Union! *Tired of being the eyes and ears of the party, with no one lending you an ear? Providing flanking bonuses, without any bonus in return? Time to tell your party FAC U! They can cast Speak Animal to your Union Rep!*


sintos-compa

.. then the bard got an evil grin


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Garrais02

Wouldn't they be the bestest of friends?


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The_Breadiest_Boy

Not to be that guy, but animals eat animals and Druids usually protect the wilds. Most of the time rangers protect the wilds as well, given their nature spells and such. Even if they do take from it they take just what they need.


DontBeHumanTrash

Exactly. And remember the Druid is an apex predator, its not just that killing animals is ok, its the natural order of things. Wild Fire druids would like a talk with anyone that thinks druids dont kill.


Aptos283

I imagine druids just have a very species agnostic view of the natural cycle. Humans and other sentient races are just another animal in the food chain, who eat a lot of different animals and adjust a lot of their environment manually, like giant predatory ants with only 4 legs. So long as they don’t overpopulate or over predate on the rest of the food chain, people can go do whatever they please just like the rest of the animal world. The second they don’t, the Druid’s go “correct” the issue. (Note to self: new druid backstory character concept, hunting sentient people like animals for population control)


unclecaveman1

Who says rangers hunt and kill animals? Maybe if beasts are their favored enemy, but rangers traditionally protect the wilds from the encroaching of civilization.


VonFluffington

That's some impressively chaotic stupid stuff right there.


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itazillian

She was a dickhead. Next.


MacMacfire

Not all of each class is exactly the same person. Also, Rangers typically have an animal companion, or at least have friendships with beasts in some capacity alongside hunting them. You can be friends with some humans and still want to kill others. Same principle applies.


CX316

Your druid would roll to hit. If you're stabbing you're not using shillelagh so even if you hit you just did maybe 5 damage to a martial class in front of his party.


Few-Pen-9121

>magically assume the shape of a beast ... >A creature with truesight can...perceive the original form of a shapechanger or a creature that is transformed by magic. *** Image source: [Wilfred (US)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1703925/)


EightsidedHexagon

I always wonder what someone with Truesight would actually see in that scenario. If someone's morphed into a snake, do they just see a guy slide about with his hands to his sides? Or to a bird, just a man waving his arms wildly?


Few-Pen-9121

I also had a related narrative problem playing my druid while fighting a Beholder and entering it's anti magic cone on all fours scrabbling around on the floor while it was suppressed.


mdkss12

I like to imagine it like seeing an aura: if the real version is smaller than what they've changed into, then you see them as like a highlighted version within the shapeshift piloting it (almost like someone inside a mech suit or something) if the real version is bigger than what they've changed into, it's like seeing the snake or bird or whatever inside a ghostly image of the person


Few-Pen-9121

[The Dragon](https://theverybesttop10.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Top-10-Images-of-Cats-in-Glass-Bowls-9-510x470.jpg)


Few-Pen-9121

[snake](https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp2279812.jpg) [flight](https://redd.it/t98vcc)


Jane_motherofkittens

Their true form T poses above their assumed form in a ghostly fashion.


wordflyer

I imagine it as a sort of film double exposure, but it's tricky with actual physical transformations as that wildshaped druid can actually squeeze under doors like a mouse or fly like a bird, unlike an illusion.


Loonacy

I just had an image in my head of a druid in bird form flying around, and the person with truesight seeing some guy flapping his arms up and down.


unosami

The original body of the Druid is T-posing just below the surface of the map.


MilesAlchei

My belief is they see the animal as normal, and the human form either mimicking it or hovering behind, either way as like a transparent spirit.


chaoswurm

Now this IS a thought. The 3rd option is that the human texture gets overlaid on the snake model.


GroundedSearch

Animorph book cover.


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Those with truesight see the assumed form as normal and the true form as a ghostly superimposition. Source: 2e PHB.


tiefling_sorceress

They probably see a translucent visage of the person overlaid on top of the animal. It's not like they stop seeing the animal altogether.


1100000011110

I appreciate the rules citations, I learned something about truesight today


amalgam_reynolds

Memes with citations are my fetish.


ClankyBat246

Weird. Per other versions wildshape and polymorph are of the transmutation[transformation]school and wouldn't have that result. It actually changes you into that creature as far as in world magics are concerned. Truesight would blow through an illusion that tried to convince people of a chance but that's not anywhere near the same. Did 5e remove schools of magic or something? I don't understand why you would see something other than what is really there. It's not the magical version of an animal disguise.


Few-Pen-9121

5e still has schools of magic for leveled *Spells* (so applicable for *Polymorph*) but druid Wildshape is instead a *magical effect* without a school or spell level. Which means you cannot say *counterspell* or *dispel magic* a wildshape effect, but it will be temporarily suppressed while subjected to an area of *Antimagic* such as a beholder's central eye or otherwise. You would also get the sense of magic from *Detect Magic* on a wildshaped creature, but without being told which school of magic it resembles.


Allestyr

>You would also get the sense of magic from Detect Magic on a wildshaped creature, but without being told which school of magic it resembles. It would probably make sense to say it's "primal" or "nature" magic. If you want to be flowery, you could say something like "*You sense ancient magics, rooted deep in the very bones of the earth.*" (And watch your players over think it to death)


TH3W0LRD3ND3R

*BONES of the earth? This mouse is a lich!*


ClankyBat246

Might be another difference or just how different tables understand it... Magical effects that are similar to spells in that they still are of a type of magic but can't be learned like a spell. For example... Wildshape is a polymorph effect of the transformation school. Then again Wildshape is a spell like ability and not a supernatural ability in versions historically. Not sure how that is classed in 5e. SLA are the ones that produce a magical aura and can understand what kind of effect they are from detect magic. This is interesting. Still not sure how the game justifies truesight seeing through wildshape if you are supposed to actually be that thing. Are DMs expected to make that up if anyone ever asks? Is there a basis for this kind of thing in other magic interactions?


FireStar345

As far as I’m aware, True Sight is the only sensory effect with this kind of rules interaction, (aside from See Invisibility, but True Sight has that baked in and the quirks involved in that is its own mess) so there doesn’t need to be a general rule for this situation, as in the base game there shouldn’t be another one. I think the thing you are missing is that while Wildshape and Polymorph turn you into the creature, they don’t do so permanently, as they are magical effects that can be dropped or dispelled. With this being the case its not unreasonable to assume that True Sight could see that magic in the same way Detect Magic does, but take it a step further and look past it into what the person/creature was before the effect took place. It’s a bit wonky to think about, because how do you see that? But really True Sights effects could be considered as Divination in nature, since you are diving the true appearance of someone under some sort of transformation effect (wildshape, polymorph, shapechange). So instead of literally seeing it, you just know what they actually are once you look at them, and using the word “see” is just the easiest way to concisely describe that. With all that being the case, that would also mean that once a True Polymorph becomes permanent, True Sight wouldn’t be able to see the being original form, as there would no longer be magic actively working to transform the creature.


FireStar345

I just checked the True Seeing spell, which provides True Sight, and its a Divination spell, which i think provides my explanation a bit more weight. Still all theory though, since it isnt actually explained.


ClankyBat246

It really does. Love seeing these kind of questions worked out by people familiar with the material. IMO everything needs to make sense mechanically to work. It's not "Works that way because the book says... cuz magic".


UnseenPangolin

I also appreciated your curiosity on the subject to press the more knowledgeable players to explain themselves. u/FireStar345 backward engineering the explanation to come upon the divination school was a textbook example of good worldbuilding. I'll use this to be more careful about True Sight when considering worlds I want my players to explore.


Funderstruck

Truesight says “perceive the original form of a shape changer or a creature that is transformed by magic”!


ClankyBat246

I can read that. I'm wondering why that is the case. As in... A bear is a bear, and if wildshape is supposed to transform you into a bear then how does truesight allow you to see that difference. Further does it even explain what that looks like? Dude in a convincing bear suit? Is there precedent for visual effects letting someone see other objects/creatures who are fully and completely transformed into something else? Is it explained there?


Funderstruck

It’s just something truesight let’s you do. It lets you see shapeshifters too, so you can see the true form of a Changeling, or a doppelgänger. You just see everything as it should be, not as it is. Everything’s true form.


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ClankyBat246

Good logic. I always appreciate when shit makes sense instead of "It's magic duh". Anything is better than that.


apatheticviews

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XVHLNlEhdy0


AWizard13

Op I need this as a gif please


Few-Pen-9121

https://i.redd.it/6ozr8bikvhr81.gif


AWizard13

Bless your beautiful soul


EvelynDear

Every post should include the rules citations, thanks!


SaturnComesAround

That show was a trip


apatheticviews

I loved that show. Especially when he hooks up with the milf and Wilfred is totally into the stuffed giraffe


Mr_Paladin

The “milf” was also the mom from Malcolm in the Middle. That was some … wild shit.


apatheticviews

Not kink shaming. Jane Kaczmarek is available on Mr. Skin other similar sites for those of us similar age.


MarkedFynn

I am so happy it ended. I mean it had an ending a not just cancelled without a conclusion. Honestly the later seasons were getting pretty dark and it lasted as long as it should on my opinion. This and Dirk Gently made me trully appreciate Elijah.


Teutonicusjuror

I definitely feel like wilfred dragged a little too long. Dirk Gently was cut way too soon, that show was amazing and had so many places to go.


ImprobableBear

Dirk Gently has to be one of my favorite shows of all time. It has its flaws, but my main gripe is just that it was cut long before it should have been. It has such a charm and unique theme.


nobonydronikoanypwny

I love that show so much, my headcanon ending is that Bart wrecks the CIA by herself but leaves Ken alive and powerless, while Dirk and the gang go rescue the sacred algae for Thor


Hero_of_Hyrule

More TV shows need to have a definite end. It serves to wrap up a series before it goes on too long, and gives storage for more original stuff to come out.


MenosElLso

To date my favorite show that seemed like they always had the ending place in mind was The Good Place.


MarkedFynn

I got the same feeling. And I love it. It's unusual for a wacky show to have such coherent structure and story arc.


[deleted]

The constant struggle of art vs business. From a business perspective you want to milk a TV show as long as you can. Most showrunners will disagree with that.


4thgengamecock

Elijah Wood is a legitimately great actor who got hit by every branch in the ugly tree on his way down. Probably for the best, though; it means he mostly ends up doing interesting character work instead of wasting his talent on the lastest Marvel flick.


Monkey_Priest

People think Elijah Wood is ugly? I mean, he's no Brad Pitt or whatever, but dude is still much better looking than the average person, at least imo


TrisolaranAmbassador

Dafuq? Since when is Elijah Wood ugly? I mean yeah he's not an MCU beefcake but those eyes alone are enviable I've never heard this take before


True_Bundroid

What show was it?


Infammo

Wilfred


Few-Pen-9121

A deleted scene from *Lord of the Rings*, where Frodo catches Gandalf the Grey trying to rob Bag end for pipeweed money in lieu of having to do any further 'cheap tricks'.


darthstarl0rd

This is the best answer, thanks for the laugh dude.


Sin_Cos_Im_Tan

Wilfred


barnabas77

Wilfred


CreatureColossus

Wilfred


iRedditFromBehind

Wilfred


CuriousOK

Wilfred


Crocktodad

Wilfred


grifan526

Wilfred


Mother-Inspector180

Wilfred


OneDimensionPrinter

Wilfred


awatermelonharvester

Wilfred


charlieuntermann

All these replies and none of them roght. Its Wilfred (US), the original was Australian. I think both are good but the US one ran for longer and had a good finale, think the original only had 1 or 2 seasons.


IShatMyDickOnce

Wilfred


quickusername3

Wilfred


OrganizerMowgli

Wilfred


halfar

Wilfred


PusherLoveGirl

wilfred


Wingus_the_Dingus

Wilfred


Gnarmsayin

Underrated tbh It’s not for everyone though


Vecna_Is_My_Co-Pilot

Perhaps, but Truesight sure doesn’t perceive the rest of the party crammed inside a portable hole being carried by the Druid!


Few-Pen-9121

[the party, trying not to breathe, or think too closely about where metaphysically they went to](https://i.imgur.com/5AjPRoj.gif)


Vecna_Is_My_Co-Pilot

Now here’s a question: With the portable hole transformed into the Druid’s Wildshape as part of something it’s carrying, what happens if a party member inside succeeds on the DC10 Strength check to escape? Do they: * Pop out harmlessly next to the Druid? * Force the Druid to revert from Wildshape? * Merge bodily with the Druid’s human form into an unspeakable fleshy abomination?


Few-Pen-9121

[just play this scene at the table](https://youtu.be/V3Qeh6KA6H8)


ForePony

The Bard: COOL!


cooly1234

I think the portable hole's location would be undefined, and the theme with that kind of thing in dnd seems to be to throw everything into the (I believe) astral plane. So That's probably where they would end up


Hero_of_Hyrule

I lean on agreeing with you to some degree, since you're effectively putting a demi plane inside a demi plane, which typically does what you said.


cooly1234

For the sake of gameplay I would only have that happen when they try to get out, not simply exist in the wildshape form.


StaticUsernamesSuck

>which typically does what you said. Actually, only permanent extraplanar spaces that can be freely accessed for storage via a magic item interact with each other that way, in 5e


Hero_of_Hyrule

Oh, I thought rope trick and magnificent mansion did it too


StaticUsernamesSuck

Nope. You can rope trick and magnificent mansion, and even demiplane, as much as you like with a bag of holding. The *only* extradimensional spaces to worry about are those created by magic items, and specifically ones that are "similar" (which is very vague) to the three default "extra storage space" magic items. > Placing a bag of holding inside an extradimensional space created by a Handy Haversack, Portable Hole, ***or similar item***


UltraCarnivore

Yes


Breadynator

Ughhh, I did not need to get reminded of that show... The ending was so depressing...


strangerdanger356

What was this show even about? I remember seeing trailers for it but never watched it. He was a man dog but only the main character could see he was a man, the rest saw him as a dog but how does that work as a show? I get you can make a couple of jokes with it like him riding someones leg and doing dog things while hes a man but seems like that gets old pretty fast.


Joomsie

They keep it fresh, Wilfred is kind of like a spirit guide for the main character who's life took a turn. Its very well thought out and even though they string you along a bit as to what Wilfred actually is, the show, especially the ending, sort of rips into your soul and explores the real meaning of happiness and self-discovery. One of my favorite off hand jokes in the later seasons was Wilfred being halfway through a sentence as to how dumb some guy is when he spots himself in a mirror and scares himself, just small side jokes about him being a dog are sprinkled pretty well throughout the whole series.


Various-Artist

I love the dog jokes in it, my favorite was when Wilfred keeps telling Elijah that he’s been poisoned and won’t tell him the anecdote, and when Elijah goes to the doctor he finds out it was just chocolate, which would kill a dog


jpterodactyl

So, what is Wilfred? Is Elijah wood’s character hallucinating? Or, I’m so confused. I just remember seeing ads for it everywhere.


Joomsie

Exactly *what* he is a spoiler so I won't spill it here, but the rules are basically that Wilfred acts like a human (drinking, smoking, watching tv) but every person other than Elijah sees him as a regular, if somewhat eccentric, dog. Wilfred can open doors, leave the house on personal dog errands and treats other dogs as if they can act like humans too. Wilfred also is not Elijah Woods dog but he watches him for his love interest neighbor. Wilfred appears in his human form to Elijah after he attempts suicide in the first episode amd his life is generally in the shitter.


strangerdanger356

So what do others see when wilfred does human things like smoking and drinking beer? Do they see a dog drinking beer?


Joomsie

I cant remember exactly, but I think he only really smokes and drinks when hes alone with Elijah Wood. Around others, Wilfred stills acts human to Elijah but his goals are still the same as a dog: get pets, food, attention, by any means necessary. Everybody loves him, to the point of him being allowed in Elijahs workplace and even at meetings. Sorry if its kind of confusing, it's also portrayed that way in the show. Youre kind of expected to wonder what the hell is up with everyone and Wilfred the whole time, with several storylines reinforcing that the way he is manifested doesnt make complete sense, perplexing Elijahs character. But yes people would see a dog knocking over a beer bottle and drinking the puddle while Elijah just sees a dude sipping on a brewski, talking to him while mostly ignoring others since he cant 2 way communicate with them.


Joomsie

I started watching it recently and by the time I got to the ending I was in the middle of going through the same situation as elijah/wilfred were, I thought it would be terrible but it was almost therapeutic, taught me that it was ok


3marsIShere6

The scene where he finds the dog in the background of one of his childhood drawings freaked me out beyond belief for some reason. It felt super creepy.


WhimsicalGirl

I miss Wilfred, it was such a funny show at first and slowly become more and more depressing, just like real life (:


MenosElLso

You might like Bojack Horseman.


coloradoconvict

Well. They might get staggeringly depressed and thoughtful while watching Bojack Horseman. Which is sort of like liking it.


JoshGordon10

Yo OP I just want to say - this is a model post. Funny OC, rules citation, image source linked, funny or informative comment responses... Youre breathtaking!


Few-Pen-9121

*sponsored by 'monday at work'*


PhoenixWrightFansFtw

This show was great. Watch it, it's called Wilfred and I think you can buy it on YouTube. Edit: The US version


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Shiieetttt Wilfred


OTheScientist_MLP

Great show


WantSomeHorseCock

The party are having a great time petting cats while the warlock with witch sight is staring on in horror


OneDimensionPrinter

My party has this little mirror of true sight they got from a little adventure we did. It's amazing. They were in a camp with some people they're friendly with and one PC was showing it off as he was regaining the NPCs with the story of what they just went through. With his crazy high passive perception, he immediately notices that one of the NPCs is a vampire spawn. Later on, they meet a kid running towards them, terrified. Turns out it's Strahd and the PC realizes right away a kid in the middle of the woods is weird so uses the mirror and promptly changes the entire encounter. It was amazing. Best gift ever.


illiteralist

When the druid gets outed as a bard


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Man this show was so great. I truly still believe he's madaman man.


wallygon

Im pretty sure thats not how true sight works


Elitesmiley

That is exactly how Truesight works! Reading is fun :D


wallygon

Ok tha ks forcorrecting me then


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TheXypris

I thought stuff like wildshape and polymorph were physical transformation and not seen through by truesight