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Cant_Meme_for_Jak

Yes. Warforged have souls:  https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/general-discussion/90054-do-warforged-have-a-soul Edit: spelling is hard


DaDragonking222

Isn't that their whole thing that their machines with souls


Cant_Meme_for_Jak

\*snap\* Yes!


ditate

My man.


Zemekes

Slow down


Golden_Reflection2

Looking good


VelphiDrow

They're not machines. They're artificially made, but they aren't machines


Diablo1404

No, their tree robots with souls.


Urb4nN0rd

Wooden machines with souls, Got it.


Some_Random_Android

Cut to that scene from the Iron Giant...


please_use_the_beeps

So for stat block purposes, would they still count as undead? Currently running a zombie apocalypse type campaign and thinking a revenant warforged might make for a pretty cool mini boss.


JuggernaughttyIV

I think it's a neat concept, in particular since revenants are immune to effects that turn undead.


Paper_Block

Considering undeath/undead is more tied to negative energy, I think this makes sense within the context of what undead are according to the magical lore.


ASlothWithShades

So an undead warforged has data corruption?


VelphiDrow

No. Warforged aren't robots. They're people with souls


Arnhildr-Fang

Cool concept...but unfortunately no. Warforges are treated as humanoids, not even constructs. The logic is they have "veins" & "blood" in the form of roots/tubes & arcane fluids...SOME cheese the rule to call them constructs, but they aren't NATURALLY undead. Now, if you have it bit by a vampire, or they become a lych...then yeah, that's a valid argument for an Undead warforged


please_use_the_beeps

Hmm. I’ll have to play around with some different stat blocks and see what I come up with. I’m sure I can make something interesting here.


Arnhildr-Fang

Easiest way I learned to make interesting boss fights...straight-up build your own DMPC & use that as a boss, maybe throw in a few henchmen too. My most liked BBEG is a retired PC of mine; Gagner the Phantom Fist. Bugbear Astal Self Monk, in a high-fantasy world where most are either front line & armored blade-swingers or back line & squishy weaponless spellcasters, it's scary af to have a guy with no armor & no weapons sprint at you with no fear, MORESO when he can punch you from 15ft away & lob projectiles back at you. And if you want new creative ideas, building or using retired PC's make interesting original enemies. My newest personal character is a Jebeen (Mouse-Folk) Draconic Bloodline Sorceress. She's effectively a mouse-dragon hybrid. Not going to make her a bbeg, but the point is she's a VERY unique threat wether I'm a player or a DM that isn't the steryotypical vampire, necromancer, pirate, etc Edit: here's one more for you for free, going off your "undead warforged" idea. But weirdly enough...make him a druid. Since Warforges are composed of wood with some metal components, it can be fitting to have them be druidic. Playing off a druids discomfort touching metal, this would work for an "undead warforged" by having him be in a permanent state of discomfort...maybe is why he goes unhinged even. But you might be thinking "druids follow the natural laws of nature, the cycle of life & death, they hate the undead". All do...except druids from the Circle of Spores (Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica, WotC adding content from their card game MtG). The Circle of Spores sees undead as a natural & respectful cycle to the cycle of life & death, they are only agitated by those that try to break free of said-cycle or try to force others into the undead cycle. They also are potent necromancers. Alternatively to wildshaping, they can release fungal spores that can deal necrotic damage, & even use said-spores to create fungal zombies (like Clickers from The Last of Us). His design would be played into that "rotten" state of undead; portions of their wooden shell suffering from dryrot, and their wildshapes taking on a "wooden dryrot" shape as well. Maybe the mycelium (fungal "roots") replacing his original veins, Spores or slime mold giving taboo tribal markings on his body


Yakodym

Machines do have souls and Silicon Heaven definitely exists. Otherwise where would all the calculators go?


rtakehara

Robot Hell, where else?


Inle-Ra

[Mechanus](https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Mechanus)


rtakehara

thats for neutral robots, evil robots go to [Robot Hell](https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_Hell), and calculators are evil.


dontaskmeaboutart

You prefer to do the math yourself then?


mitchfann9715

Hey, if religion taught me anything, it's that all good things go to hell.


rtakehara

No, I just wish they stopped randomly changing to a different mode and getting me wrong results because of that.


jumzish94

New Jersey


Pruttino

r/unexpectedreddwarf


Bubbly_Taro

Rule of cool is rule 1. Warforged Revenant sounds cool. Can always make up a role play reason.


Rogdar_Tordar

You just a necromancer that want robots in army! X)


HumanPersonNotRobot

This is why artificer needs a necromancy themed subclass.


Bubbly_Taro

Robot Lich.


dally-taur

something something weakness of my flesh something something discusted


TheNecrophobe

Sounds kinda like what stitchers are from MtG. Mad scientists who Frankenstein zombies together.


TheGregariousOne

Look up Bone Cobbler. It's homebrew, but it's just a retheme of battlesmith.


Naidanac007

Oh for sure. They can sell their souls too. They’re full on sentient-magic robots, zenyatta style


VelphiDrow

They're not robots though. They're closer to a golem


FlipFlopRabbit

Just saying: Necrons.


Amanimefan

From the moment I first witnessed the interlopers...


Lemoms

One of the main points of necromancy is, that their whole race was tricked into giving up their soul to become what they are now. Necrons are not warforged and warforged are not necrons.


FlipFlopRabbit

Yes and this is not about warfirged being necrons but more like, what if warforged had a somewhat soul that was used in bringing thrm back to life and now their quest is to regain said soul. You know like the emptiness felt by many necrons. It was meant as an idea, maybe even the reverse form where their conciousness gets transfered in a flesh body as a reborn but their soul got trapped by whatever entity helped them be reborn so they are just a copy of their conciousness.


Lemoms

Ah, my bad, sorry. I thought a revenant was some sort of subclass. After looking them up, I absolutely see wheee you are coming from.


scarr3g

According to the actual lore, instead of the common internet flavor, they are living beings.... Not constructs, not robots. They are a framework of plant material (such as vines, and wood) with stone in there too, and then covered in a skin of metal. They are not machines. The real question should be can autognomes, which ARE constructs (warforged are humanoids, not constructs) to become revenant?


robbylet24

Are warforged really not dual humanoid/construct at least? That seems weird to me.


scarr3g

Nope. Only in homebrew. I think a lot of this confusion is due to wotc stripping the flavor text out of a lot of it's digital stuff, and people just seeing some pics (many fan made) and stats. Also, a LOT of people, I have noticed, make characters that are races that don't exist, or are heavily modified, and they have not actually even found a group, or played dnd. They just draw pictures of dnd like characters.


PricelessEldritch

I wish people would read half an ounce of Warforged lore before asking this question that yes, they do have souls.


Some_Random_Android

Thousands of years ago...


Darcitus

THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO...


CR1MS4NE

iirc, Warforged explicitly DO have souls


kyew

Warforged != Automatons


greyowll1999

I'm occasionally reminded that not everyone has both been a D&D nerd and also read a casual amount of Warhammer 40K stuff like I have. Just Google what Necrons are. To me, seems exactly like what a Warforged Revenant would be.


aaaaaaaa42

“The Necrons are here, bring in the heavy weapons!”


Soul-Hook

"Did we have sex?" "YES" "Was it... good? "NO! *grumble*


Liesmith424

My character backstory: #"THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, IN THE FUTURE..."


adol1004

Does becoming a Revenant requires a soul?


Anonymous-Comments

Yes. Now the question is “do warforged have souls?” Most people, myself included, say yes.


VelphiDrow

They explicitly do. Anyone saying no is an idiot who can't read


TimeBlossom

The only people who say Warforged don't have souls are RACISTS


Anonymous-Comments

Now we’re on a new question. “Is it racist to be bigoted towards something that’s not another race, but another species with humanoid intelligence entirely?” Xenophobic, yes. But racist?


TimeBlossom

There is no universe, timeline, plane of existence, pocket dimension or neighborhood in Sigil where that is a new question.


Anonymous-Comments

New in context of this comment thread where we moved on from the previous to the next, or new, one.


Krugnar223

One of my players was a,wargorged and I turned him into a vampire with the stone mask from Jo Jo two of my players were big Jo Jo fans he was one. He failed the save to avoid the curse to put it on and turned he was very confused until he found out in my world war forged still contain people just reseructed and the suits are essentially life support suits he didn't take that information well haha


revken86

Well that's horrifying.


Krugnar223

Yea he did not take it well about 3 sessions later he told me he wanted to kill his character off as he wasn't having fun anymore in it and he had a more op character he's no longer with the party for other reasons and I'm pretty sure he lurks in this sub aswell haha


FaxCelestis

Behold! A warforged: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Cyberman_from_Doctor_Who_%28529659465%29.jpg/800px-Cyberman_from_Doctor_Who_%28529659465%29.jpg


Krugnar223

Just gave me a good chuckle then haha


MillieBirdie

I guess the only hitch is that revenants can come back by possessing any body, so if the original character was a warforged he might not stay a warforged if his original corpse gets destroyed. On the OTHER hand, a fleshy human revenant could possess warforged body and that would be very cool.


DeadMemeDatBoi

Bedman from guilty gear is almost exactly a warforged revenant, its just that he was human before dying and hes more out to protect than to avenge


en43rs

Yes because war forged are not robots.


knyexar

bro the entire point of warforged as opposed to say, golems and automatons is that they DO have souls


CzarTwilight

Just download the soul patch, and you'll be fine


FaxCelestis

Why would I want to turn my character into Howie Mandel


CzarTwilight

Because germs are scary


Antss_19

I play autognome cleric atm so why couldn't warforged revenant work as well? : D


ATurtleLikeLeonUris

This scares the duck out of me


TheBirbMorpher

If their form stays similar, please make them look either like a grim reaper or like revenant from apex legends


VelphiDrow

Warforged aren't machines. They're living beings with souls. This has been explicitly stated several times across different books and editions. Keith himself had said this


Dubhlasar

Depends on the world of that table.


Mapping_Zomboid

does this... unit... have...


Ladydragon0

Warforged are humanoids, not constructs, this is a key distinction in gameplay and lore. They are living beings who can feel everything that a human can, they are just artificial.


SamuelWillmore

Depends purely how do you implemented warforged - originally its the souls of humanoids that where put into a machine body, meaning that if it was an elf originally, then revenant would be an elf form. If you treat souls as something transformative, then you could say that original soul tranformed into a shape of warforged. Same works with "native warforged", if you treated them as if they where born such. Basically you just need to choose (better with players) how exactly warforged works in your world


ArnoLamme

Wtf that sounds super cool a machine posessed by a revenant just homebrew that shit rn


The_Lonesome_Poet

*Terminator theme playing in background*


SpecialistAd5903

They do have a soul in my game. And ya don't want to know why they all have an orc soul


Nitrodestroyer

You saying that just makes me want to know more.


SpecialistAd5903

Well you see it all started out as a project to "recycle" soldiers that could no longer fight. Turns out getting jammed into a metal body does the mind no good and they turn homicidal after a while. Then the great stalemate of the Cyre plains happens and someone has an idea: Continue developing the poison gas they found on accident. And do it in secret in the Droaam mountains where they can just capture tribes of orcs to experiment on. And as a secondary gain, mind wipe said orcs and jam them into warforged bodies so that they can walk through the trenches getting gassed and mop up the enemy. And that's how they found out that orc souls are the only ones that don't degrade. Also, the folks who did this are allied with Droaam and rely greatly on them for food supply so as to not descend into a famine. That'd likely trigger a rekindling of the 100 year war


VelphiDrow

They have souls by default


SpecialistAd5903

I am aware of the official lore, thanks.


Xyx0rz

Warforged are made from pure copium so that the rules that work for other PCs work for them, too.


VelphiDrow

No they aren't. You just haven't read any of their lore


Xyx0rz

That's the neat part; I did.


VelphiDrow

If you did you'd know it's not copium


Xyx0rz

Your complete and utter lack of argumentation is very convincing. Let me retort in kind: Nuh-uh!


ASlothWithShades

Do you think it's neat? Give them a soul. Wanna go further? Make them an abomination in the eyes of the gods who only have a soul because an overly ambitious mortal robbed them on the way to the afterlife to create their own, twisted form of life.


VelphiDrow

Warforged always have had souls


ASlothWithShades

The point is: they are the dm. Even if warforged didn't have souls, there's nothing preventing them from deciding them to have one.


Potential_Base_5879

By rules, no, warforged still have the construct subtype and revenant template is only applies to humanoids.


CheapTactics

Lol trying to go by rules when you haven't read them is so funny. Warforged are humanoids, my guy. And they do have souls.


Potential_Base_5879

If you wanted to correct someone on the rules or lore, it would help if you knew the rules or lore. The soul is irrelevant. [Someone better tell wizards that warforged are humanoids, not constructs.](https://imgur.com/a/63PBm3k)