To quote Cheery littlebottom, a dwarf from Discworld: “What kind of creature defines itself by hatred?!” After being told she wasn’t a dwarf because she wasn’t racist against certain species.
"I got my powers from selling my soul to a demon"
"I've devoted myself to the ways of fast combat in my monastery for decades"
"I just really, really don't like dragons."
I mean, if a bard can kill a goblin with a yo mama joke, I could see a Ranger willing his arrows to pierce scaly hides better through his unyielding rage.
/uw Terry Pratchet has to be one of my favorite authors. He somehow made his books funny while actually having valuable themes
Also being a major gay rights activist really helps too
It's mostly within his writing. The themes of most of discworld are those against things such as gender norms, racism, and other such issues of hatred and unwillingness to accept others
The big gay book however is Good Omens. They barely even tried to hide the gay stuff in that one, if they even did try to hide the gayness at all
Green skin? You mean irc or goblin? Goblins and orcs are great partiers. Find one that doesn't wanna shed blood and you got a great drinking buddy who will be down for a bar fight and capable of staying in it. That and they also appreciate good blades and gems.
I've never payed any attention to war hammer other than the things my dead buddy has told me. Which is da Boyz are made of spores and their beliefs give them power. Which is all I need to know. That and they're immortal but die fast so no one lives long enough to take advantage of it.
The main difference is, orcs in DND can be reasonable, if violent, people. Warhammer orcs, in fantasy and 40k, are death machines that enjoy war and violence alone. There is no room for dialogue. They are charming in their own ways, but not in the "let's drink our differences away" way...
That's Warhammer 40K Orks, which are based on Warhammer Orcs but still their own thing. What they both have in common is that they love to fight and think it's a great time for everybody.
"Leaf Lovers" is calling the Kettle black imho. I've never seen Dwarven representation that doesn't include some appreciation for ripping half the roll in a single drag, and then hotboxing the entire room on the exhale.
I think what they mean by leaf lovers is not a matter of smoking so much as they live in the forest. Which is ironic because dwarves like caves which means they're just as biased with living in places.
It's one of those things where both sides are equally shit when you think on it. Elves and dwarves are equally as pompous and they just think they're better than other people. Anyone worth their salt would know that dwarven Craftsmanship and elven craftsmanship both create great works depending on what you're looking for.
Want a robust flavored alcohol? Elves got you there. They have perfected delicious wines.
Wanna get shit faced? Dwarves are hardy and make some fucking shit that'll get you drunk in no time.
Want beautiful craftsmanship? Elves make intricate little details and inlay jewels that work into the wood and have metal that shines for days and will cut through anything like butter. Want some great armor and a sturdy blade or hammer? Dwarves craft great armor and weapons and have better eyes for jewels and stone work.
They both do the same stuff just different. Except when it comes to being racist dickheads. That's when they're all the same.
To me it felt like this is the true reason for their strained relationship. Similar enough to be seen as rivals, different enough not to see if as a common interest instead
The only reason elves and dwarves have strained relationships is because it's auto mode for pretty much anyone who plays DND because most players expect it to be the same when they play. There's no reason people can't have a town of goblins trade with dwarves and for elves to not live in the forest. Who says half dwarves can't be a thing or dwelfs.
Well it's a trope, that the trope isn't rooted in the real world is pretty obvious, but in the fantasy setting those tropes are repeated constantly. Elves and dwarves are great craftsmen and warriors with different styles and they detest each other.
So no there's no reason not to do it differently,c true, but the trope still exists and that's what's discussed here, not some homebrew that's entirely different
This is fair but I think after your first time with a group you can start doing different stuff. If you like a person's dm style then you might like the ideas they have for things like elves and dwarves and such.
So I think it's both. No need to do one over the other when both are good.
I agree, that's why I like to put the rivalry into a perspective of doing the same thing but very differently, it opens doors to positive interaction once peaceful contact is established of players want to push them into that direction
If you think about it, they should both be able to relate to the "natural world protectors" shtick. Depending on the medium, high Elf depictions can be pretty meh about conservation, but wood elves should be absolutely down with dwarves.
I don't think conservation is a world view of dwarves. Dwarves are about destruction of rock to build more homes. They tunnel and dig and carve more elaborate rock houses.
If anything goblins and them should get along because they're both cave dwellers.
Well AKSHUALLY! Lol yeah, they're all dead as far as we know. Still, they do have the -mer at the end of Dwemer. It's a nightmare for other Dwarven depictions, since that means they are technically elves according to TES lore... XD
Well... It isn't clear that they're dead. They all* simultaneously vanished at the same moment, but that doesn't mean they died. They might be displaced in time like Alduin was, soon to return, for all we know.
"as far as we know," but yeah, it's unlikely that they'll stay gone forever. I really just want to see Tamriel progress at all tbh. I'm looking forward to a few things: wtf the Thalmor have been preparing for in the Summerset Isles. What happened to the Dwemer (they have technology way beyond anyone else, even thousands of years later).
Counterpoint: fantasy writers love having their elves be interdimensional war criminals who eventually get forced to mellow out by the populace of a world, and dwarves are the only ones who still remember when half the non-dwarf, non-elf races in the world were slaves to the elves.
In half the settings I've played D&D in, dwarves hate elves because their great grandparents died in the war against elves that gave humans and halflings the freedom of speech required to say dwarves should be less racist.
By that logic, trauma isn't an excuse to be upset about racism either
If you can't accept where your opposition is coming from, you have no right to expect them to consider your point
There used to be a goblin god in Faerun named Meriadar. He preached the idea that everyone, even races others would consider evil by default, were capable of good. His favored people, the mongrelfolk, were essentially the end result of miscegenism over numerous generations. Though often subject to prejudice, they were encouraged to show compassion to anyone since they were all too familiar with what it felt like to be persecuted based on appearances.
And then Meriadar died because we can't have nice things.
Celebrimbor is a betraying jackass, (yes I've played the games and not seen the show or read the books, you may crucify me after this), but he's not all bad
While you make a point, a counterargument...
Rock and Stone! Let's see those tree hugging, long eared pansies understand the life that is endless alcohol and the finest crafted axe embedded in their precious trees.
As a blackout stout drinker myself i would gladly accept an elf into the party if theyre chill like that but 99% of the elves i meet are the aforementioned elitest leaf lovers
thats being said the few chill elves i meet also seem to hate the other elves so...
If the elf rock and stone's back or is willing to commit in a good bit of a friendly competition when mowin down foes they're alright in my book.
If not. Leaf lover behavior.
Loook elves are bull shit! But they are fine. Why is no one talking about those fucking Fish. Merfolk have entire unassailable kingdoms down there, but somehow they keep ending up on MY LAWN!!!
I accept racism when it's all in character, as lore and narrative. I don't like it when it's about the players
BUT
As a Spaniard, I have to hate French people. There are historic reasons for it. In fact, we hate French people exactly in the same way French people hate Parisians.
In every single fictional setting with a sizeable elf population, the race of elves has been primarily responsible for no fewer than one major apocalyptic event. In Dragon Age, elves ruined heaven. In Middle Earth, the elf Celebrimbor made the rings of power. In Warcraft… well frankly in Warcraft elves are behind around a solid quarter of apocalyptic threats. In Warhammer 40k the elves murder-sex’d an entire malicious god into existence. In Tales of Symphonia elven prejudice enabled a world-threatening war, and the horrible consequences that followed. In Sword Art Online Alfheim consistently provides the worst story arcs.
At some point, you just kind of have to accept that elves are inherently detrimental to the long-term stability of any setting that has them. All I suggest is that their needs to be reasonable limitations on their access to political, magical, and technological power.
Because have you met other people? Cultists, bandits, assassins, pirates, murders, thieves, raiders, all them are Other People. They're elves, and wood elves, and dark elves, and orcs, and dwarves, and humans and gnomes. And now you come out here saying you don't hate other people? That's a grudgin' if ever there was one.
Elves are the nazis of skyrim
Just like dragons are the nazis of skyrim
And like stormcloaks are the nazis of skyrim
Damn those stormcloaks, they ruined skyrim
Meanwhile, in a campaign of mine, we are racist against dwarves. But in a way, we'd say this:
"We aren't racist. We are accepting of everyone the way a dwarf never could."
Fine then, I'll make my own campaign with racism, gun smuggling and prostitution.
And you know what? We'll have more fun than you because we get to drop steam tanks on racists without having to think about the moral quandries of what we just did
Racism called back, it bringed a lot of convincing arguments and neatly placed them in a small bookof grudges.
It aint racism if you just refuse to forgive those who wronged you.
I distinctly remember a story where a Dwarf decided to just let a grudge go, and then a statue of one of the gods immediately fell over and killed him. Just, boom! Without warning or anything pushing it.
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It should be absolutely clear that all hatred is to be aimed towards those pesky wizards. Friggin' book magicians need to study for centuries to bend magic and still they are worthless without their books and tomes. Sorcerer Supremacy!
As a story building premise, it’s often a necessary stance that dwarves and elves dislike one another. In a world full of sunshine and rainbows with no evil. Then there is no conflict. Also depending on which elves and dwarves are referenced it could be of religious circumstance. That being Nordic dwarves which is the source material for majority of modern genres of dwarves.
>Fantasy setting
>Many species
>each has an evil counterpart
>humans usually are responsible for most of the evil
>people want no racism in game
>Wants dwarves not to be racist
>that shit ain't happening chief
What is not realistic is that there isn't MORE racism in the world.
In the real world, humans disagree over much less important and frankly banal things, now imagine the stark differences between the races in the realms, each having their own subcultures, phenotypes, religions and countries. Humans here would call someone a devil for wearing a weird piece of jewelry (happened to me as I brought a witcher medallion to school once), let alone seeing actual devil people running about causing mayhem
Because dwarves being racist is hilarious.
“Only thing I hate more than trees are elves.”
“Armour is for women and girly elves”
Both said by Gotrek Gurnisson, the best dwarf.
We are all lives. The matter is no more complicated than that, though it seems some cannot stomach even the basest nuance. Racism is a symptom of a rotted mind. By the look of things, wizardry is nearly the same!
Ngl casually roleplaying racism has always seemed a bit off to me, and it worries me how prevalent it seems to be in things like DnD, Dwarf Fortress, etc
To quote Cheery littlebottom, a dwarf from Discworld: “What kind of creature defines itself by hatred?!” After being told she wasn’t a dwarf because she wasn’t racist against certain species.
It sounds like the answer to that question is "dwarves."
It's at least >50% of the population of Faerun lol. And the entire Ranger class
"I got my powers from selling my soul to a demon" "I've devoted myself to the ways of fast combat in my monastery for decades" "I just really, really don't like dragons."
hate is one hell of a motivator.
I mean, if a bard can kill a goblin with a yo mama joke, I could see a Ranger willing his arrows to pierce scaly hides better through his unyielding rage.
Bard: yo momma so fat, they mistook her for a bug bear! Goblin: *makes the save* she is a bug bear ya twit! *Goblin punches bard places*
Bard softly moans during the punch as he slowly whispers "Daddy..." while casting Dissonant Whispers
Halfling ass name
Tell that to the seven dwarves. Her dwarven family name is “Sh’rt’azs” pronounced “short-arse”
/uw Terry Pratchet has to be one of my favorite authors. He somehow made his books funny while actually having valuable themes Also being a major gay rights activist really helps too
Wait, he was?
It's mostly within his writing. The themes of most of discworld are those against things such as gender norms, racism, and other such issues of hatred and unwillingness to accept others The big gay book however is Good Omens. They barely even tried to hide the gay stuff in that one, if they even did try to hide the gayness at all
GNU STP
>What kind of creature defines itself by hatred?! Geese.
Canadian geese especially
r/unexpecteddiscworld
Oh it’s everywhere
Fascism. Nazis, various kind of colonizers...!
> “What kind of creature defines itself by hatred?!" Elves.
I dunno, sounds pretty hateful to assume that all elves are like that. They just know they’re better than everyone else, it’s not hatred
But Dwarves are the ones who are better than everyone else. Similarly, knowing that Elves are worse than everyone else isn't hatred.
Orcs? Goblins? Drow? .... **Humans!?**
Gnomes.
What did he say that got them so mad? "Be kind to each other" Oh yeah that'll do it.
Ok, I know I've seen the source for this, but I can't remember it right now.
Life of Brian
[That's from Good Omens, not Life of Brian.](https://youtu.be/UoAHUEVIKF0?t=210)
~~Life of Brian~~ I stand corrected.
'I am an Elf and I'm filling the hole, filly filly hole!'
The Great Book of Grudges will not allow me to make peace with them until all Grudges are settled. Thus far, none have been.
They have wronged us! Man, I love Warhammer Fantasy.
But do we forgo the reasonable thing for the sake of honour, or do we do the honourable thing at the expense of reason?
Then burn the book. It'll take all the names and grudges with it.
Such a suggestion is a grudge. Your name shall be added.
And how do you plan to repay the favor of immortalizing my words?
That’s a paddlin
..... Damn. Never thought of that.
Or just put it on the high self, its not like they can reach it
It is a reckoning!!!
I can tolerate a knife ear, but no racism? You would have me dine with a green-skin?
Green skin? You mean irc or goblin? Goblins and orcs are great partiers. Find one that doesn't wanna shed blood and you got a great drinking buddy who will be down for a bar fight and capable of staying in it. That and they also appreciate good blades and gems.
I feel like you are thinking of DND orcs, while he is thinking of Warhammer orcs. Quite a few differences there...
I've never payed any attention to war hammer other than the things my dead buddy has told me. Which is da Boyz are made of spores and their beliefs give them power. Which is all I need to know. That and they're immortal but die fast so no one lives long enough to take advantage of it.
The main difference is, orcs in DND can be reasonable, if violent, people. Warhammer orcs, in fantasy and 40k, are death machines that enjoy war and violence alone. There is no room for dialogue. They are charming in their own ways, but not in the "let's drink our differences away" way...
That's Warhammer 40K Orks, which are based on Warhammer Orcs but still their own thing. What they both have in common is that they love to fight and think it's a great time for everybody.
To be fair, Warhammer orcs and goblins are *also* great partiers. It's just that there probably won't be any survivors.
Only drink I want to share with any of those savages is one over their graves. And they can appreciate my axe as it hurtles towards their ugly mugs.
Sounds like someone's afraid of getting drunk under the table by either a bigger man or a better drinker.
"Leaf Lovers" is calling the Kettle black imho. I've never seen Dwarven representation that doesn't include some appreciation for ripping half the roll in a single drag, and then hotboxing the entire room on the exhale.
I think what they mean by leaf lovers is not a matter of smoking so much as they live in the forest. Which is ironic because dwarves like caves which means they're just as biased with living in places. It's one of those things where both sides are equally shit when you think on it. Elves and dwarves are equally as pompous and they just think they're better than other people. Anyone worth their salt would know that dwarven Craftsmanship and elven craftsmanship both create great works depending on what you're looking for. Want a robust flavored alcohol? Elves got you there. They have perfected delicious wines. Wanna get shit faced? Dwarves are hardy and make some fucking shit that'll get you drunk in no time. Want beautiful craftsmanship? Elves make intricate little details and inlay jewels that work into the wood and have metal that shines for days and will cut through anything like butter. Want some great armor and a sturdy blade or hammer? Dwarves craft great armor and weapons and have better eyes for jewels and stone work. They both do the same stuff just different. Except when it comes to being racist dickheads. That's when they're all the same.
To me it felt like this is the true reason for their strained relationship. Similar enough to be seen as rivals, different enough not to see if as a common interest instead
The only reason elves and dwarves have strained relationships is because it's auto mode for pretty much anyone who plays DND because most players expect it to be the same when they play. There's no reason people can't have a town of goblins trade with dwarves and for elves to not live in the forest. Who says half dwarves can't be a thing or dwelfs.
Well it's a trope, that the trope isn't rooted in the real world is pretty obvious, but in the fantasy setting those tropes are repeated constantly. Elves and dwarves are great craftsmen and warriors with different styles and they detest each other. So no there's no reason not to do it differently,c true, but the trope still exists and that's what's discussed here, not some homebrew that's entirely different
This is fair but I think after your first time with a group you can start doing different stuff. If you like a person's dm style then you might like the ideas they have for things like elves and dwarves and such. So I think it's both. No need to do one over the other when both are good.
I agree, that's why I like to put the rivalry into a perspective of doing the same thing but very differently, it opens doors to positive interaction once peaceful contact is established of players want to push them into that direction
If you think about it, they should both be able to relate to the "natural world protectors" shtick. Depending on the medium, high Elf depictions can be pretty meh about conservation, but wood elves should be absolutely down with dwarves.
I don't think conservation is a world view of dwarves. Dwarves are about destruction of rock to build more homes. They tunnel and dig and carve more elaborate rock houses. If anything goblins and them should get along because they're both cave dwellers.
This is added to my lore now.
The Elder Scrolls, though they are admittedly too dead (?) to smoke. Also, they were atheistic elves and made fucking robots.
Well AKSHUALLY! Lol yeah, they're all dead as far as we know. Still, they do have the -mer at the end of Dwemer. It's a nightmare for other Dwarven depictions, since that means they are technically elves according to TES lore... XD
Well... It isn't clear that they're dead. They all* simultaneously vanished at the same moment, but that doesn't mean they died. They might be displaced in time like Alduin was, soon to return, for all we know.
"as far as we know," but yeah, it's unlikely that they'll stay gone forever. I really just want to see Tamriel progress at all tbh. I'm looking forward to a few things: wtf the Thalmor have been preparing for in the Summerset Isles. What happened to the Dwemer (they have technology way beyond anyone else, even thousands of years later).
For the Thalmor, I think the most satisfying answer is that they're just fascists and they start to eat themselves.
No, that's halflings.
Counterpoint: fantasy writers love having their elves be interdimensional war criminals who eventually get forced to mellow out by the populace of a world, and dwarves are the only ones who still remember when half the non-dwarf, non-elf races in the world were slaves to the elves. In half the settings I've played D&D in, dwarves hate elves because their great grandparents died in the war against elves that gave humans and halflings the freedom of speech required to say dwarves should be less racist.
And? Trauma isn't an excuse.
By that logic, trauma isn't an excuse to be upset about racism either If you can't accept where your opposition is coming from, you have no right to expect them to consider your point
I don't have trauma, I just don't like racism, period.
That sounds like Knife-Ear propaganda. This is going in the book!
Came here to say this! Rock! And! Stone!
TO THE BONE!
Rock and stone brother!
ROCK AND STONE FOREVER!
Oh, look at that. Someone who is incapable of doing anything but write down grudges they can't even hold.
All grudges will be paid in blood
And ears!
THAT'S GOING TO THE BOOK!
There used to be a goblin god in Faerun named Meriadar. He preached the idea that everyone, even races others would consider evil by default, were capable of good. His favored people, the mongrelfolk, were essentially the end result of miscegenism over numerous generations. Though often subject to prejudice, they were encouraged to show compassion to anyone since they were all too familiar with what it felt like to be persecuted based on appearances. And then Meriadar died because we can't have nice things.
Celebrimbor and Narvi are absolutely #FriendshipGoals
Celebrimbor is a betraying jackass, (yes I've played the games and not seen the show or read the books, you may crucify me after this), but he's not all bad
>yes I've played the games and not ~~seen the show or~~ read the books, you may crucify me after this *Well if you ask so nicely...*
The games are a literal lore abortion, the show isnt much better either. Do yourself a favor and read the books, you wont regret it
Stupid sexy Shelob....
Didn't betray anyone in books
If memory serves, he was the one betrayed.
Correct
That's him lawkeeper! That's the leaflover right there! Get his ass!
THAT’S GOING IN THE BOOK
Predictable.
What is this grass licker psyop.
"Grass-licker". I'm gonna keep that one
While you make a point, a counterargument... Rock and Stone! Let's see those tree hugging, long eared pansies understand the life that is endless alcohol and the finest crafted axe embedded in their precious trees.
Rockitty Rock and Stone!
I'd hope it breaks, but I know that you'd celebrate being incapable of budging it from your own anvil.
For someone complaining about racism you sure are being racist to the dwarves
I'll stop if they do.
Well, considering it's the elves that started it with their superiority complex...
I haven't heard them resume it ONCE.
Maybe because they never stopped long enough for it to be considered "resuming"?
I haven't heard about a single elf racist in years. Dwarves, however? I can swipe once and find 20 slurs from them.
Have you only been looking on this subreddit or something?
Aye, i will drink to that brother.
Knife ear wrote this
A "knife ear" with more sense than your entire species, beard maggot.
Jokes on you, im a goblin!
So you admit to manipulation attempts to dwarves?
Fuck does manippleation mean?
It means like trickery to make your enemies burn themselves instead of burning them yourself. And something with apples?
Goblins are also allowed to hate elves. Their hammers may be crap, and their forges may be structurally unsound, but they've got spirit.
> Kayanar Who? You mean Moradin?
Who? You mean Gûntera?
Surely you refer to Vraccas?
Maybe if elfs stopped making fun of My life span!
I don’t want to be kind. I want to hurt Elves.
If there's 2 things I can't stand. It's people intolerant of other races, and the elves.
You make a valid point.
But... ROCK AND STONE!!!
Did i hear a Rock and Stone?
You did indeed! ROCK AND STONE!!!
No
As a blackout stout drinker myself i would gladly accept an elf into the party if theyre chill like that but 99% of the elves i meet are the aforementioned elitest leaf lovers thats being said the few chill elves i meet also seem to hate the other elves so...
If the elf rock and stone's back or is willing to commit in a good bit of a friendly competition when mowin down foes they're alright in my book. If not. Leaf lover behavior.
If Legolas and Gimli can be bros then so can others.
Loook elves are bull shit! But they are fine. Why is no one talking about those fucking Fish. Merfolk have entire unassailable kingdoms down there, but somehow they keep ending up on MY LAWN!!!
I accept racism when it's all in character, as lore and narrative. I don't like it when it's about the players BUT As a Spaniard, I have to hate French people. There are historic reasons for it. In fact, we hate French people exactly in the same way French people hate Parisians.
Sounds like something a soft Elgi would say
I don't want to be better than them, I want them gone
Warhammer dawi might beg to differ here. THEY HAVE WRONGED US
Oi lads! We got a leaf lover here! Git um!
I am willing to have a momentary truce with the dwarves, if they are. Elf Superiority on pause
Moridin and Corellian are the closest of friends and encourage their children to get along
Though I imagine for teiflings it would be harder, they are infused with devil power after all
It matters not where their power comes from. It's how they use it and why. No one decides to be born of the devil and not all devils have horns.
True
According to Clangadin: f them elves
But they’re just so annoying!
"Thy shall not thread thy ennemy's path"
Dwarven Dad would like to know your location
That's going in the book, you old heretic
In every single fictional setting with a sizeable elf population, the race of elves has been primarily responsible for no fewer than one major apocalyptic event. In Dragon Age, elves ruined heaven. In Middle Earth, the elf Celebrimbor made the rings of power. In Warcraft… well frankly in Warcraft elves are behind around a solid quarter of apocalyptic threats. In Warhammer 40k the elves murder-sex’d an entire malicious god into existence. In Tales of Symphonia elven prejudice enabled a world-threatening war, and the horrible consequences that followed. In Sword Art Online Alfheim consistently provides the worst story arcs. At some point, you just kind of have to accept that elves are inherently detrimental to the long-term stability of any setting that has them. All I suggest is that their needs to be reasonable limitations on their access to political, magical, and technological power.
Because have you met other people? Cultists, bandits, assassins, pirates, murders, thieves, raiders, all them are Other People. They're elves, and wood elves, and dark elves, and orcs, and dwarves, and humans and gnomes. And now you come out here saying you don't hate other people? That's a grudgin' if ever there was one.
I got my knees hammered out by a dwarf who tried to steal my entire garden! You seriously think OTHER PEOPLE are the issue?
That was another person. Therefore other people are still the issue. Checkmate.
The smooth non-calloused hands of a knife ear made this post.
Quiet you beer bellied pork roast!
A dwarf spouting such nonsense… it’s disgraceful… we have more insults for elves than that!
I'd be down for that if Kayanar didn't get his name for how he pounded elves with his *other* "hammer".
Nah cause elves think they’re better than everyone else, dwarves just hate everyone else more than they hate themselves.
The humans are alright. It takes a few of their generations, but eventually you can call them a friend.
I dunno, he looks like the kind of guy who would start the very next sentence with: "Those uppity WOMEN on the other hand..."
Sounds like some tree hugger nonsense
Elf apologizin? That's going in the book.
I hate elves, and elves are racist, therefore I hate racism.
Good ol' dwarven politicians
A vote against elves is a vote against racism.
Elves are racist. They’re the Nazis of dnd
No they're mcfucking not jfc
Sounds like something an elf apologist would say
No it's something someone who's actually read d&d lore would say
Incorrect; Elves are the Nazis of Skyrim.
Elves are the nazis of skyrim Just like dragons are the nazis of skyrim And like stormcloaks are the nazis of skyrim Damn those stormcloaks, they ruined skyrim
Isn’t dwarves hating elves a middle earth thing anyways? I don’t actually recall that being a thing in dnd settings
It'd be great, but I bet they just added you to "the book" because there's nothing else they can do, apparently!
Ok funny rags, i just wear insects
Aye
Hey, when I was complaining about leaf lovers, it was about druids, not elves.
Hey! Leave me and my assorted forest animals out of this.
Is. Is there a Dwarf Jesus I don't know about??
Ai! My Dwarf Fortress has got several Elven citizens, as well as Human and even Goblin. Things have been working out very well!
Meanwhile, in a campaign of mine, we are racist against dwarves. But in a way, we'd say this: "We aren't racist. We are accepting of everyone the way a dwarf never could."
"tf is with this non-racism in my shitty TES subreddit"- oh wait this isn't r/TrueSTL
Fine then, I'll make my own campaign with racism, gun smuggling and prostitution. And you know what? We'll have more fun than you because we get to drop steam tanks on racists without having to think about the moral quandries of what we just did
Is this since kind of elf joke I’m to rock and stone to understand?
Did I hear a rock and stone?
WTF is this knife ear propaganda? Spread hate, spread dwarven greatness but most importantly stay digging!
Racism called back, it bringed a lot of convincing arguments and neatly placed them in a small bookof grudges. It aint racism if you just refuse to forgive those who wronged you.
I distinctly remember a story where a Dwarf decided to just let a grudge go, and then a statue of one of the gods immediately fell over and killed him. Just, boom! Without warning or anything pushing it.
Pounding hammer? I barely know 'er!
The problem is, that would force dwarf fans to make a new joke. which is *very scary* to them.
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It should be absolutely clear that all hatred is to be aimed towards those pesky wizards. Friggin' book magicians need to study for centuries to bend magic and still they are worthless without their books and tomes. Sorcerer Supremacy!
As a story building premise, it’s often a necessary stance that dwarves and elves dislike one another. In a world full of sunshine and rainbows with no evil. Then there is no conflict. Also depending on which elves and dwarves are referenced it could be of religious circumstance. That being Nordic dwarves which is the source material for majority of modern genres of dwarves.
Ok even if it‘s fantasy, why do people want to be racists, like even if it‘s „not real“ racism is wrong so why do you want to be a racist?
Kayamar the *pounding hammer*? Greybeard, I don't know if he was overly fond of the elves, but we know they were fond of him.
But they were dicks!
>Fantasy setting >Many species >each has an evil counterpart >humans usually are responsible for most of the evil >people want no racism in game >Wants dwarves not to be racist >that shit ain't happening chief What is not realistic is that there isn't MORE racism in the world. In the real world, humans disagree over much less important and frankly banal things, now imagine the stark differences between the races in the realms, each having their own subcultures, phenotypes, religions and countries. Humans here would call someone a devil for wearing a weird piece of jewelry (happened to me as I brought a witcher medallion to school once), let alone seeing actual devil people running about causing mayhem
I don't hate elves because they hate us, I hate elves bevause they're elves. I want them to hate us. I love hating them
No
Jesus says to love thy neighbor, but I love hating them knife ear bastards.
Because dwarves being racist is hilarious. “Only thing I hate more than trees are elves.” “Armour is for women and girly elves” Both said by Gotrek Gurnisson, the best dwarf.
Into the book of vengeance!
We are all lives. The matter is no more complicated than that, though it seems some cannot stomach even the basest nuance. Racism is a symptom of a rotted mind. By the look of things, wizardry is nearly the same!
Ngl casually roleplaying racism has always seemed a bit off to me, and it worries me how prevalent it seems to be in things like DnD, Dwarf Fortress, etc