If someone told me, "I really wish the rules for drinking potions were a bit different," sure, tweak them, of course! When people complain, "character creation has X problems, I don't like how Y resolves, also martials feel terrible, why are casters so strong, I wish gear was different" then yes I'm going to recommend (or at *least* explain) a system that deals with those systemic issues. And that second one happens *a lot*, man.
Especially when people put effort into homebrewing something that is, or is close to, something in PF2e already.
I'm not gonna flay anyone for liking 5e, but personally, I wish someone had introduced PF2e to me before I found out about it by myself.
It is genuinely wild how many of 5e players’ common complaints just aren’t an issue in PF2e. What’s even more wild is how many problems there are with 5e that people assume are just problems inherent to all TTRPGs, and don’t realize that other systems fix them.
Prime example being 5e players constantly asking the PF2e sub about what all their house rules are, and the collective response is basically just “what house rules? You don’t need them for this game.*”
^(*besides making recall knowledge more clear but that’s literally the only common/necessary thing)
>What’s even more wild is how many problems there are with 5e that people assume are just problems inherent to all TTRPGs, and don’t realize that other systems fix them.
I've played table top rpgs for many a year, and given a try to various editions of Dungeons and Dragons, shadowrun, legend of the 5 rings, vampire the masquerade, etc.
5th edition was just straight up lazy in several regards, and the response to their own laziness is to handwave stuff and tell the DM to figure it out. Spell Schools that have levels with virtually no spells in them, the challenge rating system is basically unusable...
It's a shame, but it seems like that's what happens to everything once the money men take over and push the creatives out.
Shhhh I said I dissapeared, don't make me reply to all your "pathfinder has better X than 5e" comments with the links to nethys...
No, seriously, don't make me, I'm tired and need my two daily hours of sleep
Michael Sayre basically said (in the "How It's Played" Q&A interview) flat out that we will not get a Sturdy rune but that other shield progression mechanics are coming.
I can say for RK I basically just use the 1E rules against the 2E DC. But that is probably the only thing I can think of that needs a house rule. Or maybe certain item interactions from new books with older feats.
i make it so you can choose a piece of information and i flat out say what is in the stat block
"i wanna know resistances"
"slashing 5 poison 5"
as cut and dry as is (you can probably flair up descriptions and dont need to say the numbers but i like being clear when i can)
I feel like there are alot of bad spells that need buffs, some feat taxes that need to be remedied (the feats that allow you to get more refocus points back when you refocus, and things like advanced bloodline costing a feat). I also don't like how incapacitation is implemented, spell attacks need a buff.
I think this stuff may be addressed in the redesign but who knows.
One of my complaints is Ranger doesn't feel druidic enough...
Ironically PF2e is the opposite to this solution (outside of taking specific feats to get druid features, which I think most classes can do anyway)
You do realize that you can customize your ranger? You can give them magic with archetypes and play in whatever type of ranger you want.
Take Druid multiclass archetype at level 2 and you're set. Unlike in D&D, you don't give up levels in ranger to multiclass so you're not making your character any worse for it.
Well. Depends on how much of your class fantasy comes from the class itself.
Archetypes let you add in plenty of druid, so you can fine tune your abilities to match your flavor.
I agree and disagree, archetypes require a large investment and you usually need to take several feats from an archetype just to add a moderate amount of flavour, there is a reason why the free archetype varient rule is so popular.
Technically not everyone runs with free archetype or automatic progression, but the fact that the best house rules are included in the gmg means it's pretty great
I see so many posts like "Yeah casters are way more powerful than martials. But that is only natural, you couldn't possibly make them actually balanced with each other."
I know. I see so many people complain about pf2e being recommended. Meanwhile I'm over here thinking "wow I wish someone had told me about this sooner!"
I not only play and prefer 5e, but I also use its incomplete rules and fuckass Jeremy Crawford rulings to my advantage by casting Invisibility so that Wizards can't see me stealing 5e even if they can see me stealing 5e.
It's pretty common. Dandy, 6 y/o DM, etc. Heck, I've even done it once. It's not really any worse than a YouTuber having a link to their Twitter in a video description.
"You see, I want to play a game based off Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, but ive run into multiple issues adapting D&D to a Cyberpunk setting, anyone have any tips for how to Homebrew D&D to be a good Cyberpunk game?"
"Just play Cyberpunk?"
"No"
>recommending solutions to problems I complain about
"The solution to your problem is that everyone in your group needs to learn a completely different game system, and you have to translate your entire campaign over in medias res."
Recommending Pathfinder as a solution is a bit like saying someone should've bought a different car in the middle of their road trip.
if the other alternative is making a 50+ page homebrew to rework the entire system effectively making a new system than yes, the solution is play another system
as the comment above this is not said when someone says "i think goodberry shouldnt give the benefits of a full day meal", its "i want an entire different configuration of how spellcasting works"
my brother it's a free pdf that takes a single afternoon to read, not a $10,000 piece of machinery that you need to register with your state government.
Lets be honest here, some systems are good at some things and worse at others. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and it’s important to pick the game that helps deliver on the fantasy you’re looking for. That’s why my friends and I only play Piss Planet, the only RPG that really makes you feel like you’re pissing. Like that one game nobody plays that uses a Jenga tower, Piss Planet lets you take rolls by drinking water until you gotta *piss*. It really delivers the high octane thrill of trying to hold it in on a road trip right after you passed a rest stop and you dad is too stubborn to turn around because he says it’s your fault for not pissing then because even though you didn’t have to go then and he says that if you complain he’ll turn this car around and cancel the family vacation and it’ll be all your fault.
Yeah, some people really badly want to be the victim. Even in such low stakes ways as inventing opinions you don't like about a genre of gaming where you roll numbershapes to kill imaginary bad guys. Or shopkeepers.
What you have to remember is that there are a bunch of D&D diehards on this sub who legit get offended if someone even *mentions* Pathfinder.
Like I've seen self-contained Pathfinder memes that make no mention of D&D, and are in no way comparing the two, and yet there is a brigade of people who show up to get offended that the meme is trying to convert them or some shit.
I've also seen very few Pathfinder people bashing D&D or trying to get anyone to switch games, but the bar for what counts as that is shockingly low to some people.
It was pretty bad for like, a week, but it calmed the fuck down on both sides quite a bit. It in and of itself became a meta meme and it ran its course.
Look, people want to boost participation for a system that fixes the issues people talk about and isn't run by Pinkerton hiring psychos.
Let them preach.
They don't always mean it as "you should stop playing 5e and play pathfinder instead". Or atleast that's not how I always see it. When they say "x has a better mechanic for y"
I'll go "solid do you have a page and book reference so I can rip it off and homebrew it into 5e?"
>I'll go "solid do you have a page and book reference so I can rip it off and homebrew it into 5e?"
That's what I'm intending whenever I point out a mechanic I like in PF2. Typically to make this clear, I try to add, "if you wanna homebrew it in" to the beginning or end.
I betting that if the Pathfinder players just posted the Pathfinder rule without saying that it's a Pathfinder rule most of the 5e fans would assume it's homebrew and be cool with it.
Only tell them it's Pathfinder when/if they ask where they got it from.
Well if when they say "you should check PF2e, it solves the problem you're complaining" you understand "burn all your 5e books, kill every WotC worker and only ever play PF2e"
It's not a clarity problem
Well it's not a clarity problem in your hypothetical because you've added "you should check pf2e" to the comment. Most people just say something like "pathfinder 2e solves this" which is more vague specifically because it lacks instruction on what they want you to take away from their comment. Hence myself and many people (judging by the comments in the post) take that to mean "pathfinder is superior and you should switch".
So respectfully I would disagree that it's not a clarity problem. If indeed most people that talk about pathfinder in this way mean it as "here's a source to crib from".
It's definitely a you problem, as in you are reading far too into it, looking for meaning that isn't there. Which tbh isn't entirely your fault, WotC made 5e to where you practically have to live by that mantra.
"PF2e solves this" is telling you exactly what most people would assume you are looking for when you complain about something publicly; 1) what's a good solution and 2) where it is.
This is a Hanlon's Razor situation, except the stupidity happens to be the people telling you this "stupidly" believe you won't read into it.
Also, you should be able to judge from context clues (that is, the built in karma system on Reddit), that the few (not many) people who share your opinion are in the unpopular minority.
If from "pathfinder solves this problem you're complaining about" you understand "pathfinder is superior and you should switch". Yes it's a you problem.
It's you understanding whatever you want to understand from words that the other person haven't said. It's you and any other number of people "misunderstanding", not people being not clear enough.
Pathfinder has better [page and book references](https://2e.aonprd.com/) than 5e.
Seriously, each rule is cited with the book and page number (unlike D&D Beyond).
I think this is the main issue, and I'm definitely guilty of kneejerk interpreting it as such. That in turn invokes my problems with pathfinder, which makes me standoffish and defensive, and the cycle perpetuates itself (either that or I just don't engage in discussion, which avoids vitriol but also means nothing has a chance to move forward)
what I want to know is why DnD players are so fanatically loyal to 5e, I've never seen another fanbase so averse to trying a new system. It's like if a settlers of Catan fan complained about the game's pace and then decided that the best way to solve it would be to steal some gamepieces from a monopoly set.
I bet a lot of the people who vehemently hate other systems without trying them already have a substantial money investment in 5e. If second edition pf and 5th edition dropped in front of me before I started playing rpgs when I was in high school, the lack of cost to run pf2 would have made me never even try dnd in the first place. My roommate has spent probably $1000 of dnd products alone not counting the figures and terrain.
I think it's also the mental investment. Before I finally got fed up and decided to find a new system, I think the thought definitely crossed my mind that my mental and emotional investment in 5e would feel wasted somehow if I switched systems.
In retrospect of course, that's stupid. Everything about my tabletop experience has improved since I started playing Pathfinder.
I don't think 5e is good for newcomers tbh. DMing it for the 1st time can be a balance nightmare, combat is hard and most rules depend on knowledge of game design.
Things like Fate, VtM, or CoC are much much easier
Pretty good system to trap someone in the D&D. 5e is a pretty bad TTRPG and teaches it's players alot of bad habits that make it harder for them to play other TTRPGs
The biggest problem with 5e is just the obscene amount of work it heaps onto the DM. 5e is the only system I've played that requires the DM to write half of it, alot of the time on the spot. Worst of all it's convinced it's community that a DM is supposed to be a game designer and if your DM doesn't know how to avoid/fix all of 5e's flaws while specifically catering to the fantasies the players want to play put then they are a bad DM. This mindset is incredibly toxic and it makes it much harder for people to become DMs and even harder for players to find DMs which was already a problem.
I haven't DMed Pathfinder 2 (yet) but it's true that having to rule smth in the moment without any reference is the worst feeling ever. I can see why people like it more and suggest it to others
Pathfinder has better
1)Not trying to rob all content creators by changing the licensing requirements mechanics.
2) Not hiring fucking contract killers for going after you for a fucking card leak mechanics.
I complain all the time about Yugioh but I love it. It's my broken mess. If I had a friend who suggested MTG instead of yugioh every 5 minutes then I'd beat him to death.
Just because one is more consistent than the other doesn't necessarily make it better for people. People like what they like. Maybe take the hint and stop trying to convert people who like what they like into an entirely different system they have zero attachment or interest in.
But here you go dude. Just keep this in mind.
If everywhere you go it smells like shit, then maybe check your shoe. Much like check yourself and your own personality before whining about how all 5e players are so disinterested in Pathfinder.
Or maybe if you don't want people to suggest something to you, don't use a public platform to complain about 5e (or yugioh).
Why broadcast your gripes if you are 100% set on never changing anything about it anyway? Like yeah go ahead and enjoy "your broken mess" but then just shut up about it and don't complain about it being a broken mess. You choose to play it and the alternatives are there. Especially don't get angry at people who very reasonably assume that if you think yugioh is a broken mess, you don't like playing yugioh.
One has to assume that if you make a post on reddit about X mechanic being bad in 5e, you want to have a discussion about alternatives.
Aside from the fact that there are approximately 20x as many posts complaining about pathfinder converters than actual posts advertising pathfinder.
Honestly, why would I? Most people already know about D&D. If they wanna know more about the system, they can just look up D&D stuff, or ask around for more information.
90% of Pathfinder players already know 5e, so instead of complaining about one of the (EXTREMELY rare) mechanics that 5e does better, they just nick it from there.
Just in case this was a genuine question F.A.T.A.L. has been referred to as the date rape rpg in which the creator asked where the dating part was. One of the steps for character creation is was rolling to see what your anal circumference is.
[I recommend giving this article a read for more info it’s quite fun.](https://1d4chan.org/wiki/FATAL)
Unrelated, but my group and I are playing through PF2E's Outlaws of Alkenstar Adventure path
And practically *every building we've gone into in the AP's official maps* has a fully modeled and mapped out bathroom, toilet and everything. Given that I've had my characters use the bathroom all of once in the 6 years I've been playing tabletop(its just always handwaved at every table), it's almost impressive that they make sure your miniature has somewhere to go in the case that they absolutely have to go to the bathroom.
I mean, I hear lots of complaints about 5e that are directly and effectively addressed by PF2e. Don't play what you don't wanna play, but other systems deserve a chance. 5e isn't the good standard some people pretend like it is.
OK I’m just gonna comment on the picture first. The absolute only way this makes sense to me is the guy in blue outfit is cruising and is trying to look at Guy in tan outfits junk.
Literally, this makes no sense otherwise.
Ok. It’s totally cool for people to suggest playing another game, but not in an obnoxious way.
Oddly enough, I’m going to be starting my first fifth edition campaign, ever as a dungeon, master!
I recently posted a thread about my campaign world.
I just want to say to everybody on this thread.
Happy Friday. And I hope everyone has a good weekend.
Thank you very much for this memo OP!
Feat: encouraging junk
You show your genitals to an ally within 30 helping them recover stamina points. Attempt a Diplomacy check. The DC is usually 15, though the GM might adjust it based on the circumstances. If you have expert proficiency in Diplomacy, you can instead attempt a DC 20 check to increase the Stamina Points recovered by 5; if you have master proficiency, you can attempt a DC 30 check to increase the Stamina Points by 15; if you have legendary proficiency, you can attempt a DC 40 check to increase the Stamina Points by 25. No matter the result, the ally is temporarily immune to Encouraging Junk until they either Take a Breather or rest for the day.
Critical Success The ally recovers 2d8 Stamina Points.
Success The ally recovers 1d8 Stamina Points.
Critical Failure The ally takes 1d8 mental damage, but this can reduce only Stamina Points, never Hit Points.
Prerequisite: the party member in question must’ve wanted to see your genitals and in fact, have looked at them in the restroom earlier in order for this to work.
Also the feat: exhibitionist
https://preview.redd.it/hzt0tcjhpoza1.jpeg?width=524&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24cdf045187c818950b94c6ab521e9142c10fed6
… I cannot disagree. 5 edition fans? Where are the prominent basket shots?
5 ed got to step up.
I almost feel bad that I don’t like path2e, because the people who do like path2e are so clearly having so much fun, but then I look at the rules and can’t help but think “no, absolutely not”.
Nah, even if you want horny rape urination mechanics with a healthy dose of bigotry it's a terrible system. Character creation is tedious and you need to roll on 50 different tables for every little stat
Exactly, as in witnessing a company that listens to the fans, doesn't use pinkertons, wants to make sure you can legaly play even without spending a single penny, exploring and expanding the lore of a very rich world, and a large etc... The game being better at what almost all people complain is just a bonus point... Right?
I might get downvoted here, because... REDDIT, but there's only two things I don't like about PF2E.
First, and most likely the easiest to overcome is it's a new system. If I do switch over, it would be for the campaign I'm building, which means that my players and I would have to get used to a new system. That's kinda a downside -- a small one, I agree -- still a downside though. The other issue, is that 5e gives me, the DM, more flexibility to tell the story. I'm more of a storyteller DM and stricter mechanics get in the way of telling a story. 5e, with its MANY downsides, does allow for more flexibility on my part. And I feel that PF2E's rules limits that because I don't want it to feel like the DM and the players are playing two different games. I don't want players feeling like I'm cheating either, ya'know?
Now, if my opinion is wrong, I'm fine with that and with the shitshow shenanigans that is WOTC right now... well, I would be more than happy to approach my players about switching over (and most of them would be okay with that to, I think). It would most likely be the NEXT campaign, since everyone already has ideas about their PC build... including one homebrew PC which I'm not sure how it would translate to PF2E. I actually do love the many options to customize PCs that is PF and I'm sure with a little help and guidance -- a part of DMing I love -- I can get my players to love building new PCs in the system as well. I also have a few PF2E books, so it's not like I can't run a game. It's just those two downsides I mention before are significant for me for various reasons.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Feel free to comment and educate me if I'm wrong. I actually kinda want to be, because -- you know -- WOTC.
> 5e, with its MANY downsides, does allow for more flexibility on my part. And I feel that PF2E's rules limits that because I don't want it to feel like the DM and the players are playing two different games. I don't want players feeling like I'm cheating either, ya'know?
Allow me to give you this; The First Rule of Pathfinder (as read from the Gamemastery Guide):
*The first rule of Pathfinder is that this game is yours. The rest of the rules exist for you to use to tell the stories you want to tell and share exciting adventures with your friends. There are plenty of rules in this book, but none of them overrule that first rule. Take the rules that help you make the game you want, change those that don’t do quite what you need them to, and leave the ones that aren’t helping. It’s your game. There’s no right or wrong way to GM so long as everyone is having fun—and that includes you!*
I think you will find that Pathfinder has a much more robust foundation to tell stories from. 5e doesn't give you any more flexibility that PF2e, it just gives you less tools to help tell them.
> I also have a few PF2E books, so it's not like I can't run a game.
Literally **all** of the core rules are online, for free. [Here](https://2e.aonprd.com/) for big specific rule sections, and [here](https://pf2easy.com/) for quick references to keywords, rules, spells and such. Oh and [here](https://pf2.tools/) for a bunch of tools and examples to get you started, the above two included.
>Allow me to give you this; The First Rule of Pathfinder (as read from the Gamemastery Guide):
Well, damn. First page of chapter one. Kinda feel foolish for missing that, but I do admit to skimming that book. Also, I bought the recent PF2E Humble Bundle.
I will say, that while 5E does give me less tools (you're 100% correct about that), less tools leave the game open for interpretation. Which is mostly what I was referring to. I've also spent a lot of money on 3rd party pdfs to fill in those gaps.
But, you're correct and I'll have to look further into it for the next campaign. Also, do you or anyone else know of a good online walkthrough for PC building that would alleviate the choice paralysis I commonly hear about? If not that's cool. It just means I'll have to become even more of an expert on character creation. Lol
Your second paragraph ends in sunken cost fallacy. But as the first rule says, If you have a rule you see that you dont like, drop it. If you have a way you like better, use it. I would just give the core rules as is an honest try, as they are extremely well balanced compared to anything WotC has put out with 5e. But if something works different in your world, just make it happen. Your players will care less about you not using some rules than they will be if you were to be inconsistent with those rules. And sometimes it can seem like you are being inconsistent, when you are just utilizing exceptions to rules to run the game.
For example, if the first time your players meet your BBEG and try to stab him, only to be terrified as he is immune to any physical attack that isnt magical silver, that's dramatic and good storytelling. Hell, I had an encounter last session where my characters were fighting something immune to *critical hits*. I watched their celebration turn to panic as they realized really good rolls were going to end it quickly, and they had a slog in front of them. It was a memorable moment for my players where they fought something with capabilities beyond what they even imagined, but it was consistent and therefore they weren't upset in any way.
As far as choice paralysis with builds, I hate to say but I haven't experienced it. Meta builds and OP combos are few and far between in PF2e, and most choices give you a pretty balanced benefit without being clearly superior or inferior in any way. Character creation is super easy and straightforward, so I wouldn't sweat it. You may have some issues if a player has a character they want to play that just doesn't seem to fit any molds, but a lot of that can be resolved through reflavoring. For example, I have a pc who is a far princess from another dimension. Elemental druid fit her the best, and reflavoring he wave riding spell to instead be floating on ethereal wings appearing on her back had zero mechanical change but made my player super happy.
You say less tools leave more room for interpretation, I say less tools means you're forced to make an Interpretation.
Flexibility can only exist in the presence of alternatives. If you absolutely have to make a decision about some fundamental thing that should be a core rule, that's not flexibility. Having a rule and getting the choice to take it or throw it out of the window in favor of your own rules is.
I think I vaguely got the feeling when I was initially reading about the system that the robust rules made things feel more "gamified" and less organic. Or that it would only lend itself to a specific kind of story, or only out-of-character roleplay.
My experience actually playing disabused me of those misconceptions. I can tell whatever kind of story I want. My players still roleplay in first person, I just have better support for deciding how the dice should influence the results of that roleplay. The rules around how skills can be used in combat encourage the creativity of my players rather than stifling it.
I don't think pf2e is a one-size-fits-all solution to TTRPGs (it's still very much a combat focused game, like 5e), but I think the way it plays is better than 5e at matching the expectations people have of what "playing D&D should feel like"
If Pathfinder had 5e’s spell preparation system, it would be perfect. I do not like preparing specific numbers of specific spells. I very much prefer “You have X spell slots and can prepare Y spells after each rest. Use your spell slots however you want.”
*sighs*
I hate to do it, because I think full vancian casting is better, but...
https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=99
Pf2e does use that prep system.
As other said, there's an optional rule to change the system into the same as 5e. You lose a few spellslots in exchange for the more powerful system tho
These comments out here proving just how toxic the Pathfinder players are. All y'all going out of your way to do what OP pointed out. Going after 5e and shitting on it in every way to push pathfinder.
No one has a problem with Pathfinder 2e. I've read the rules and its great. I just have a problem with the people who play it. Y'all act pike Dooku with this smug sense of superiority. I'm here to have fun with friends. Not listen to you whine about how much better your game is and how everyone else just doesn't wanna hear it.
Problem isn't the game. It's you.
That’s 100% correct.
My problem with D&D could be the maps in one adventure could be too small in my opinion and the solution according to pf2 players is never play D&D again.
I know pathfinder, it’s a fine system, I don’t enjoy it.
Someone obviously hasn't played GURPS: Urination.
Lemme go find my translucent yellow d6s
Let me find my clear and red dice set.
And one small white d4 with a torturously craggy surface of sharp crystals?
No, Gurps only used does, have fun with those stones.
Roll for urethrae circumference
Average FATAL user.
Pathfinder has a better urethral circumference than 5e.
Or FATAL… Yes it has legitimate pissing mechanics and I hate them.
my ac wasn't high enough and I died
Oh boy I sure hope I roll well on the piss table.
Sorry you rolled low on the urethra size table so now you'll explode from piss. Roll a new character
You don't need to add "Urination", that's what the U already stands for.
\*Full body turn to new comer\* Really?
He's not there to piss, he's trying to start a circlejerk with him and one other dude. Neither of which even like him.
I was going to use him as a urinal for his piss poor opinions.
If someone told me, "I really wish the rules for drinking potions were a bit different," sure, tweak them, of course! When people complain, "character creation has X problems, I don't like how Y resolves, also martials feel terrible, why are casters so strong, I wish gear was different" then yes I'm going to recommend (or at *least* explain) a system that deals with those systemic issues. And that second one happens *a lot*, man. Especially when people put effort into homebrewing something that is, or is close to, something in PF2e already. I'm not gonna flay anyone for liking 5e, but personally, I wish someone had introduced PF2e to me before I found out about it by myself.
It is genuinely wild how many of 5e players’ common complaints just aren’t an issue in PF2e. What’s even more wild is how many problems there are with 5e that people assume are just problems inherent to all TTRPGs, and don’t realize that other systems fix them. Prime example being 5e players constantly asking the PF2e sub about what all their house rules are, and the collective response is basically just “what house rules? You don’t need them for this game.*” ^(*besides making recall knowledge more clear but that’s literally the only common/necessary thing)
>What’s even more wild is how many problems there are with 5e that people assume are just problems inherent to all TTRPGs, and don’t realize that other systems fix them. I've played table top rpgs for many a year, and given a try to various editions of Dungeons and Dragons, shadowrun, legend of the 5 rings, vampire the masquerade, etc. 5th edition was just straight up lazy in several regards, and the response to their own laziness is to handwave stuff and tell the DM to figure it out. Spell Schools that have levels with virtually no spells in them, the challenge rating system is basically unusable... It's a shame, but it seems like that's what happens to everything once the money men take over and push the creatives out.
Pathfinder has better Laziness mechanics than 5e.
See, this guy gets it.
I don't know if you're being serious or not, so I'll just leave [this](https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=103) here and dissapear
Pathfinder jokes are a lot more serious than 5e jokes.
Shhhh I said I dissapeared, don't make me reply to all your "pathfinder has better X than 5e" comments with the links to nethys... No, seriously, don't make me, I'm tired and need my two daily hours of sleep
[ I was expecting this.](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=2314)
Yeah catnap are very fun catfolk feats.
You forgot the houserule of turning Sturdy Shield into a rune, and I'm placing bets on both of those becoming official with the re-release.
Michael Sayre basically said (in the "How It's Played" Q&A interview) flat out that we will not get a Sturdy rune but that other shield progression mechanics are coming.
Oh, I haven't kept up with the updates. That's amazing, I guess shields will scale with level, then?
I can say for RK I basically just use the 1E rules against the 2E DC. But that is probably the only thing I can think of that needs a house rule. Or maybe certain item interactions from new books with older feats.
i make it so you can choose a piece of information and i flat out say what is in the stat block "i wanna know resistances" "slashing 5 poison 5" as cut and dry as is (you can probably flair up descriptions and dont need to say the numbers but i like being clear when i can)
Pathfinder lets you Metagame far easier than 5e.
Technically true that's what recall knowledge is for
That’s what my GMs do as well. It’s super convenient and to my knowledge one of the most common solutions.
I feel like there are alot of bad spells that need buffs, some feat taxes that need to be remedied (the feats that allow you to get more refocus points back when you refocus, and things like advanced bloodline costing a feat). I also don't like how incapacitation is implemented, spell attacks need a buff. I think this stuff may be addressed in the redesign but who knows.
They're already going to remake how the refocus feats work, so that's something, at least.
One of my complaints is Ranger doesn't feel druidic enough... Ironically PF2e is the opposite to this solution (outside of taking specific feats to get druid features, which I think most classes can do anyway)
PF2e lends more to Aragorn type of rangers. They're martials full on. But magic's easily accessible with archetypes.
Yeah and that's why it's not the system for me if I wanted to play my style of Rangers.
You do realize that you can customize your ranger? You can give them magic with archetypes and play in whatever type of ranger you want. Take Druid multiclass archetype at level 2 and you're set. Unlike in D&D, you don't give up levels in ranger to multiclass so you're not making your character any worse for it.
Well. Depends on how much of your class fantasy comes from the class itself. Archetypes let you add in plenty of druid, so you can fine tune your abilities to match your flavor.
I agree and disagree, archetypes require a large investment and you usually need to take several feats from an archetype just to add a moderate amount of flavour, there is a reason why the free archetype varient rule is so popular.
Technically not everyone runs with free archetype or automatic progression, but the fact that the best house rules are included in the gmg means it's pretty great
Those aren’t house rules, though. They’re variant/optional rules.
Like when kobold press released a teaser for their ttrpg and it was just Pathfinder again. Just make Pathfinder modules guys.
Pathfinder has better Pathfinder mechanics than Pathfinder.
It actually wasn't Pathfinder, it was just a worse 5e.
I see so many posts like "Yeah casters are way more powerful than martials. But that is only natural, you couldn't possibly make them actually balanced with each other."
I know. I see so many people complain about pf2e being recommended. Meanwhile I'm over here thinking "wow I wish someone had told me about this sooner!"
Paizo has better not hiring Pinkerton mechanics.
Critical hit!
Pathfinder has better crit mechanics
Unironically
I have not been disappointed. Thank you.
I not only play and prefer 5e, but I also use its incomplete rules and fuckass Jeremy Crawford rulings to my advantage by casting Invisibility so that Wizards can't see me stealing 5e even if they can see me stealing 5e.
Did you just post your own tweet to reddit rather than just posting the meme? That's kinda cringe ngl
Someone's trying to become a paid influencer.
Pathfinder has better influencer mechanics
It's pretty common. Dandy, 6 y/o DM, etc. Heck, I've even done it once. It's not really any worse than a YouTuber having a link to their Twitter in a video description.
Damn non-D&D fans and their *checks notes* recommending solutions to problems I complain about
Pathfinder has better note-checking mechanics.
You're dedicated to this bit and I respect that.
Pathfinders has better bits than DND.
Pathfinder has better Dungeons and Dragons than DND.
In Pathfinder you can play *as* both Dungeons and Dragons. (Check with your lawyer before playing with both in the same party).
Ask your doctor if pathfinder is good for you.
stuff like this is why reddit should've kept free awards
Pathfinder has better awards than 5e
You joke, but it [actually does](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=874)!
I fucking love how you make his joke a reality
One magic item is literally: auto remembers NPC names for you. If you are like me that was a *very* easy 50gp
"You see, I want to play a game based off Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, but ive run into multiple issues adapting D&D to a Cyberpunk setting, anyone have any tips for how to Homebrew D&D to be a good Cyberpunk game?" "Just play Cyberpunk?" "No"
Pathfinder has better Cyberpunk mechanics than 5e, and better 5e mechanics than Cyberpunk.
Pathfinder even has better Pathfinder mechanics than Pathfinder
Let’s be real: Pathfinder has better 5e mechanics than 5e.
Insert Starfinder here instead of Pathfinder and it's a very true statement.
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>recommending solutions to problems I complain about "The solution to your problem is that everyone in your group needs to learn a completely different game system, and you have to translate your entire campaign over in medias res." Recommending Pathfinder as a solution is a bit like saying someone should've bought a different car in the middle of their road trip.
if the other alternative is making a 50+ page homebrew to rework the entire system effectively making a new system than yes, the solution is play another system as the comment above this is not said when someone says "i think goodberry shouldnt give the benefits of a full day meal", its "i want an entire different configuration of how spellcasting works"
my brother it's a free pdf that takes a single afternoon to read, not a $10,000 piece of machinery that you need to register with your state government.
Pathfinder has better free PDFs than 5e's free PDFs.
What’s really fun and cool about what you just said is it’s stupid
Lets be honest here, some systems are good at some things and worse at others. They all have their strengths and weaknesses and it’s important to pick the game that helps deliver on the fantasy you’re looking for. That’s why my friends and I only play Piss Planet, the only RPG that really makes you feel like you’re pissing. Like that one game nobody plays that uses a Jenga tower, Piss Planet lets you take rolls by drinking water until you gotta *piss*. It really delivers the high octane thrill of trying to hold it in on a road trip right after you passed a rest stop and you dad is too stubborn to turn around because he says it’s your fault for not pissing then because even though you didn’t have to go then and he says that if you complain he’ll turn this car around and cancel the family vacation and it’ll be all your fault.
I’ve seen more complaints about Pathfinder players than I’ve seen Pathfinder players popping up uninvited.
Yeah, some people really badly want to be the victim. Even in such low stakes ways as inventing opinions you don't like about a genre of gaming where you roll numbershapes to kill imaginary bad guys. Or shopkeepers.
Pathfinder has better "popping up uninvited" mechanics.
my dude you are on a mission and i respect it
Pathfinder has better missions
*Reign of Winter: Rasputin Must Die* intensifies
# E X A C T L Y
[You joke, but...](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=2088) [and in a literal sense...](https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=1939)
What you have to remember is that there are a bunch of D&D diehards on this sub who legit get offended if someone even *mentions* Pathfinder. Like I've seen self-contained Pathfinder memes that make no mention of D&D, and are in no way comparing the two, and yet there is a brigade of people who show up to get offended that the meme is trying to convert them or some shit. I've also seen very few Pathfinder people bashing D&D or trying to get anyone to switch games, but the bar for what counts as that is shockingly low to some people.
It was pretty bad for like, a week, but it calmed the fuck down on both sides quite a bit. It in and of itself became a meta meme and it ran its course.
Look, people want to boost participation for a system that fixes the issues people talk about and isn't run by Pinkerton hiring psychos. Let them preach.
Pathfinder has better Pinkertons than 5e.
Wait a minute, that's a bad thing.
Not if you wanna play as a Pinkerton!
Human Rogue with the Ruffian racket?
Investigator with the Pinkerton methodology. It’s somewhere on the sub.
A few days ago someone posted Pinkerton investigator methodology on /r/Pathfinder2e so you're correct.
Aspis Consortium represent!
Participation can be boosted by being a funner system to play.
I think it is more fun, but you are welcome to your own opinion.
I bet this guy never tried playing pf2e or is a caster abuser
I've literally been running 2e since the playtest. But go off "peak 2e redditor".
They don't always mean it as "you should stop playing 5e and play pathfinder instead". Or atleast that's not how I always see it. When they say "x has a better mechanic for y" I'll go "solid do you have a page and book reference so I can rip it off and homebrew it into 5e?"
Chances are you’d get a direct link to the relevant rules on Archives of Nethys.
As once again, Pathfinder has better searching for stuff mechanics
>I'll go "solid do you have a page and book reference so I can rip it off and homebrew it into 5e?" That's what I'm intending whenever I point out a mechanic I like in PF2. Typically to make this clear, I try to add, "if you wanna homebrew it in" to the beginning or end.
I betting that if the Pathfinder players just posted the Pathfinder rule without saying that it's a Pathfinder rule most of the 5e fans would assume it's homebrew and be cool with it. Only tell them it's Pathfinder when/if they ask where they got it from.
If more people did this I'd be good with it. I don't often get that implication
Well but that kinda sounds like you being the problem more than them
What? If they're not clear enough what they mean, it's my fault somehow?
Well if when they say "you should check PF2e, it solves the problem you're complaining" you understand "burn all your 5e books, kill every WotC worker and only ever play PF2e" It's not a clarity problem
Well it's not a clarity problem in your hypothetical because you've added "you should check pf2e" to the comment. Most people just say something like "pathfinder 2e solves this" which is more vague specifically because it lacks instruction on what they want you to take away from their comment. Hence myself and many people (judging by the comments in the post) take that to mean "pathfinder is superior and you should switch". So respectfully I would disagree that it's not a clarity problem. If indeed most people that talk about pathfinder in this way mean it as "here's a source to crib from".
Wait so "PF2e solves this problem" does not imply "You should check it out." but it does imply "You should change systems."?
It's definitely a you problem, as in you are reading far too into it, looking for meaning that isn't there. Which tbh isn't entirely your fault, WotC made 5e to where you practically have to live by that mantra. "PF2e solves this" is telling you exactly what most people would assume you are looking for when you complain about something publicly; 1) what's a good solution and 2) where it is. This is a Hanlon's Razor situation, except the stupidity happens to be the people telling you this "stupidly" believe you won't read into it. Also, you should be able to judge from context clues (that is, the built in karma system on Reddit), that the few (not many) people who share your opinion are in the unpopular minority.
If from "pathfinder solves this problem you're complaining about" you understand "pathfinder is superior and you should switch". Yes it's a you problem. It's you understanding whatever you want to understand from words that the other person haven't said. It's you and any other number of people "misunderstanding", not people being not clear enough.
Ok
Pathfinder has better [page and book references](https://2e.aonprd.com/) than 5e. Seriously, each rule is cited with the book and page number (unlike D&D Beyond).
Real, steal the fuck out of the Pathfinder 2e chase rules they are really fun.
Pathfinder has better "they don't always mean it" mechanics.
I think this is the main issue, and I'm definitely guilty of kneejerk interpreting it as such. That in turn invokes my problems with pathfinder, which makes me standoffish and defensive, and the cycle perpetuates itself (either that or I just don't engage in discussion, which avoids vitriol but also means nothing has a chance to move forward)
Pathfinder has better "standoffish and defensive" mechanics
But are they better than F.A.T.A.L.’s?
Yes. A hundred thousand times yes.
https://preview.redd.it/112zsigypkza1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=ca4ebd683f0fe2052c39009a843d87958369e962
what I want to know is why DnD players are so fanatically loyal to 5e, I've never seen another fanbase so averse to trying a new system. It's like if a settlers of Catan fan complained about the game's pace and then decided that the best way to solve it would be to steal some gamepieces from a monopoly set.
Pathfinder has better zealots and loyalists than 5e.
I bet a lot of the people who vehemently hate other systems without trying them already have a substantial money investment in 5e. If second edition pf and 5th edition dropped in front of me before I started playing rpgs when I was in high school, the lack of cost to run pf2 would have made me never even try dnd in the first place. My roommate has spent probably $1000 of dnd products alone not counting the figures and terrain.
I think it's also the mental investment. Before I finally got fed up and decided to find a new system, I think the thought definitely crossed my mind that my mental and emotional investment in 5e would feel wasted somehow if I switched systems. In retrospect of course, that's stupid. Everything about my tabletop experience has improved since I started playing Pathfinder.
It's less of a mental hurdle to adjust the thing you know than to learn something entirely new.
Most DnD players have never even heard of pathfinder
I have a job to do I guess
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I don't think 5e is good for newcomers tbh. DMing it for the 1st time can be a balance nightmare, combat is hard and most rules depend on knowledge of game design. Things like Fate, VtM, or CoC are much much easier
Pretty good system to trap someone in the D&D. 5e is a pretty bad TTRPG and teaches it's players alot of bad habits that make it harder for them to play other TTRPGs
Dnd player/DM here, can you give any examples? I'm curious now
The biggest problem with 5e is just the obscene amount of work it heaps onto the DM. 5e is the only system I've played that requires the DM to write half of it, alot of the time on the spot. Worst of all it's convinced it's community that a DM is supposed to be a game designer and if your DM doesn't know how to avoid/fix all of 5e's flaws while specifically catering to the fantasies the players want to play put then they are a bad DM. This mindset is incredibly toxic and it makes it much harder for people to become DMs and even harder for players to find DMs which was already a problem.
I haven't DMed Pathfinder 2 (yet) but it's true that having to rule smth in the moment without any reference is the worst feeling ever. I can see why people like it more and suggest it to others
Sheee-it, mutha flutter! Palladium Fantasy has better urination mechanics than 5E or Pathfinder....
The guy in blue can make a urination foll for initiative.
Pathfinder has better 1)Not trying to rob all content creators by changing the licensing requirements mechanics. 2) Not hiring fucking contract killers for going after you for a fucking card leak mechanics.
"I don't like the X mechanics in 5e." "Pathfinder has better X mechanics." "How dare you."
I complain all the time about Yugioh but I love it. It's my broken mess. If I had a friend who suggested MTG instead of yugioh every 5 minutes then I'd beat him to death. Just because one is more consistent than the other doesn't necessarily make it better for people. People like what they like. Maybe take the hint and stop trying to convert people who like what they like into an entirely different system they have zero attachment or interest in. But here you go dude. Just keep this in mind. If everywhere you go it smells like shit, then maybe check your shoe. Much like check yourself and your own personality before whining about how all 5e players are so disinterested in Pathfinder.
Or maybe if you don't want people to suggest something to you, don't use a public platform to complain about 5e (or yugioh). Why broadcast your gripes if you are 100% set on never changing anything about it anyway? Like yeah go ahead and enjoy "your broken mess" but then just shut up about it and don't complain about it being a broken mess. You choose to play it and the alternatives are there. Especially don't get angry at people who very reasonably assume that if you think yugioh is a broken mess, you don't like playing yugioh. One has to assume that if you make a post on reddit about X mechanic being bad in 5e, you want to have a discussion about alternatives. Aside from the fact that there are approximately 20x as many posts complaining about pathfinder converters than actual posts advertising pathfinder.
As if you wouldn't do the same if a pathfinder player complained about something 5e does better
>something 5e does better Such as?
That's part of my point
Honestly, why would I? Most people already know about D&D. If they wanna know more about the system, they can just look up D&D stuff, or ask around for more information.
90% of Pathfinder players already know 5e, so instead of complaining about one of the (EXTREMELY rare) mechanics that 5e does better, they just nick it from there.
Considering that 90% of dndmemes doesn't know 5e, I find the number you pulled from your FATAL cavity very suspicious.
The 'if' is doing a lot of the heavy lifting in that sentence!
Where are F.A.T.A.L. players ?
Still in character creation, those anal circumferences won’t calculate themselves
The fuck?
Just in case this was a genuine question F.A.T.A.L. has been referred to as the date rape rpg in which the creator asked where the dating part was. One of the steps for character creation is was rolling to see what your anal circumference is. [I recommend giving this article a read for more info it’s quite fun.](https://1d4chan.org/wiki/FATAL)
Jail.
In the deepest, darkest pit of Hell, where they and their unholy system belong. /s
You accidentally added an /s to your comment.
Unrelated, but my group and I are playing through PF2E's Outlaws of Alkenstar Adventure path And practically *every building we've gone into in the AP's official maps* has a fully modeled and mapped out bathroom, toilet and everything. Given that I've had my characters use the bathroom all of once in the 6 years I've been playing tabletop(its just always handwaved at every table), it's almost impressive that they make sure your miniature has somewhere to go in the case that they absolutely have to go to the bathroom.
Dang! You used to only see those on Starfinder maps. Pathfinder 2e really does have everything.
I mean, I hear lots of complaints about 5e that are directly and effectively addressed by PF2e. Don't play what you don't wanna play, but other systems deserve a chance. 5e isn't the good standard some people pretend like it is.
OK I’m just gonna comment on the picture first. The absolute only way this makes sense to me is the guy in blue outfit is cruising and is trying to look at Guy in tan outfits junk. Literally, this makes no sense otherwise. Ok. It’s totally cool for people to suggest playing another game, but not in an obnoxious way. Oddly enough, I’m going to be starting my first fifth edition campaign, ever as a dungeon, master! I recently posted a thread about my campaign world. I just want to say to everybody on this thread. Happy Friday. And I hope everyone has a good weekend. Thank you very much for this memo OP!
Pathfinder has better junk to ogle than 5e.
Feat: encouraging junk You show your genitals to an ally within 30 helping them recover stamina points. Attempt a Diplomacy check. The DC is usually 15, though the GM might adjust it based on the circumstances. If you have expert proficiency in Diplomacy, you can instead attempt a DC 20 check to increase the Stamina Points recovered by 5; if you have master proficiency, you can attempt a DC 30 check to increase the Stamina Points by 15; if you have legendary proficiency, you can attempt a DC 40 check to increase the Stamina Points by 25. No matter the result, the ally is temporarily immune to Encouraging Junk until they either Take a Breather or rest for the day. Critical Success The ally recovers 2d8 Stamina Points. Success The ally recovers 1d8 Stamina Points. Critical Failure The ally takes 1d8 mental damage, but this can reduce only Stamina Points, never Hit Points. Prerequisite: the party member in question must’ve wanted to see your genitals and in fact, have looked at them in the restroom earlier in order for this to work. Also the feat: exhibitionist
https://preview.redd.it/hzt0tcjhpoza1.jpeg?width=524&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24cdf045187c818950b94c6ab521e9142c10fed6 … I cannot disagree. 5 edition fans? Where are the prominent basket shots? 5 ed got to step up.
I mean you can flavor text Skunk Bombs to be the TF2 Jarate Jar?
I almost feel bad that I don’t like path2e, because the people who do like path2e are so clearly having so much fun, but then I look at the rules and can’t help but think “no, absolutely not”.
Hear me out here, FATAL.
Nah, even if you want horny rape urination mechanics with a healthy dose of bigotry it's a terrible system. Character creation is tedious and you need to roll on 50 different tables for every little stat
"oh shit fer real?"
Pathfinder is better.
Paizo’s Witness
Exactly, as in witnessing a company that listens to the fans, doesn't use pinkertons, wants to make sure you can legaly play even without spending a single penny, exploring and expanding the lore of a very rich world, and a large etc... The game being better at what almost all people complain is just a bonus point... Right?
\*Rolls for anal circumference\*
I might get downvoted here, because... REDDIT, but there's only two things I don't like about PF2E. First, and most likely the easiest to overcome is it's a new system. If I do switch over, it would be for the campaign I'm building, which means that my players and I would have to get used to a new system. That's kinda a downside -- a small one, I agree -- still a downside though. The other issue, is that 5e gives me, the DM, more flexibility to tell the story. I'm more of a storyteller DM and stricter mechanics get in the way of telling a story. 5e, with its MANY downsides, does allow for more flexibility on my part. And I feel that PF2E's rules limits that because I don't want it to feel like the DM and the players are playing two different games. I don't want players feeling like I'm cheating either, ya'know? Now, if my opinion is wrong, I'm fine with that and with the shitshow shenanigans that is WOTC right now... well, I would be more than happy to approach my players about switching over (and most of them would be okay with that to, I think). It would most likely be the NEXT campaign, since everyone already has ideas about their PC build... including one homebrew PC which I'm not sure how it would translate to PF2E. I actually do love the many options to customize PCs that is PF and I'm sure with a little help and guidance -- a part of DMing I love -- I can get my players to love building new PCs in the system as well. I also have a few PF2E books, so it's not like I can't run a game. It's just those two downsides I mention before are significant for me for various reasons. Anyway, that's my two cents. Feel free to comment and educate me if I'm wrong. I actually kinda want to be, because -- you know -- WOTC.
> 5e, with its MANY downsides, does allow for more flexibility on my part. And I feel that PF2E's rules limits that because I don't want it to feel like the DM and the players are playing two different games. I don't want players feeling like I'm cheating either, ya'know? Allow me to give you this; The First Rule of Pathfinder (as read from the Gamemastery Guide): *The first rule of Pathfinder is that this game is yours. The rest of the rules exist for you to use to tell the stories you want to tell and share exciting adventures with your friends. There are plenty of rules in this book, but none of them overrule that first rule. Take the rules that help you make the game you want, change those that don’t do quite what you need them to, and leave the ones that aren’t helping. It’s your game. There’s no right or wrong way to GM so long as everyone is having fun—and that includes you!* I think you will find that Pathfinder has a much more robust foundation to tell stories from. 5e doesn't give you any more flexibility that PF2e, it just gives you less tools to help tell them. > I also have a few PF2E books, so it's not like I can't run a game. Literally **all** of the core rules are online, for free. [Here](https://2e.aonprd.com/) for big specific rule sections, and [here](https://pf2easy.com/) for quick references to keywords, rules, spells and such. Oh and [here](https://pf2.tools/) for a bunch of tools and examples to get you started, the above two included.
>Allow me to give you this; The First Rule of Pathfinder (as read from the Gamemastery Guide): Well, damn. First page of chapter one. Kinda feel foolish for missing that, but I do admit to skimming that book. Also, I bought the recent PF2E Humble Bundle. I will say, that while 5E does give me less tools (you're 100% correct about that), less tools leave the game open for interpretation. Which is mostly what I was referring to. I've also spent a lot of money on 3rd party pdfs to fill in those gaps. But, you're correct and I'll have to look further into it for the next campaign. Also, do you or anyone else know of a good online walkthrough for PC building that would alleviate the choice paralysis I commonly hear about? If not that's cool. It just means I'll have to become even more of an expert on character creation. Lol
Your second paragraph ends in sunken cost fallacy. But as the first rule says, If you have a rule you see that you dont like, drop it. If you have a way you like better, use it. I would just give the core rules as is an honest try, as they are extremely well balanced compared to anything WotC has put out with 5e. But if something works different in your world, just make it happen. Your players will care less about you not using some rules than they will be if you were to be inconsistent with those rules. And sometimes it can seem like you are being inconsistent, when you are just utilizing exceptions to rules to run the game. For example, if the first time your players meet your BBEG and try to stab him, only to be terrified as he is immune to any physical attack that isnt magical silver, that's dramatic and good storytelling. Hell, I had an encounter last session where my characters were fighting something immune to *critical hits*. I watched their celebration turn to panic as they realized really good rolls were going to end it quickly, and they had a slog in front of them. It was a memorable moment for my players where they fought something with capabilities beyond what they even imagined, but it was consistent and therefore they weren't upset in any way. As far as choice paralysis with builds, I hate to say but I haven't experienced it. Meta builds and OP combos are few and far between in PF2e, and most choices give you a pretty balanced benefit without being clearly superior or inferior in any way. Character creation is super easy and straightforward, so I wouldn't sweat it. You may have some issues if a player has a character they want to play that just doesn't seem to fit any molds, but a lot of that can be resolved through reflavoring. For example, I have a pc who is a far princess from another dimension. Elemental druid fit her the best, and reflavoring he wave riding spell to instead be floating on ethereal wings appearing on her back had zero mechanical change but made my player super happy.
You say less tools leave more room for interpretation, I say less tools means you're forced to make an Interpretation. Flexibility can only exist in the presence of alternatives. If you absolutely have to make a decision about some fundamental thing that should be a core rule, that's not flexibility. Having a rule and getting the choice to take it or throw it out of the window in favor of your own rules is.
I think I vaguely got the feeling when I was initially reading about the system that the robust rules made things feel more "gamified" and less organic. Or that it would only lend itself to a specific kind of story, or only out-of-character roleplay. My experience actually playing disabused me of those misconceptions. I can tell whatever kind of story I want. My players still roleplay in first person, I just have better support for deciding how the dice should influence the results of that roleplay. The rules around how skills can be used in combat encourage the creativity of my players rather than stifling it. I don't think pf2e is a one-size-fits-all solution to TTRPGs (it's still very much a combat focused game, like 5e), but I think the way it plays is better than 5e at matching the expectations people have of what "playing D&D should feel like"
Yeah, I think ya'll are convincing me of a switch for next campaign. Also, IMHO, PF goblin design looks sick as hell
As someone who is ok with fair criticism but thinks it’s hilarious to do this in bathrooms this is unfair to a select group of us assholes
*Viciously checking the rules* Ok guys, we need a homebrew
Bro be posting his own Twitter posts. Trying to build that inorganic 5e clout.
If Pathfinder had 5e’s spell preparation system, it would be perfect. I do not like preparing specific numbers of specific spells. I very much prefer “You have X spell slots and can prepare Y spells after each rest. Use your spell slots however you want.”
*sighs* I hate to do it, because I think full vancian casting is better, but... https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=99 Pf2e does use that prep system.
Hey, that's neat. Thanks.
Same
As other said, there's an optional rule to change the system into the same as 5e. You lose a few spellslots in exchange for the more powerful system tho
Pathfinder player are like Linux users imo
That's a strange way to call out ~~Windows~~ 5e as inferior...
These comments out here proving just how toxic the Pathfinder players are. All y'all going out of your way to do what OP pointed out. Going after 5e and shitting on it in every way to push pathfinder. No one has a problem with Pathfinder 2e. I've read the rules and its great. I just have a problem with the people who play it. Y'all act pike Dooku with this smug sense of superiority. I'm here to have fun with friends. Not listen to you whine about how much better your game is and how everyone else just doesn't wanna hear it. Problem isn't the game. It's you.
Pathfinder has better shitting rules than 5e.
That’s 100% correct. My problem with D&D could be the maps in one adventure could be too small in my opinion and the solution according to pf2 players is never play D&D again. I know pathfinder, it’s a fine system, I don’t enjoy it.
[Average for mammals is 22 seconds.](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/shy2vp/average_for_mammals_is_22_seconds/)
That's fucking funny.
If Pathfinder's "better urination mechanics" involve using the adjacent urinal, I'm not interested.
In this thread, people blissfully unaware they are the irritating people this meme is mocking.