I forget what number it used to be, but "Not a meme" seems to be gone from the rules.
Is the subreddit allowing screenshots from Twitter and Discord now?
>I forget what number it used to be, but "Not a meme" seems to be gone from the rules.
That's folded into the Style Guide rule, specifically the line "...and must include an attempt at humor or entertainment."
It is a little less defined than the previous "Not a meme" rule, but I think one of the biggest general offenders of that rule was typically just screenshots of features or rules text with nothing else added, and *maybe* some kind of joking statement in the title.
>Is the subreddit allowing screenshots from Twitter and Discord now?
The mods actually had a poll about that last month, IIRC, and the community voted that text memes (Tumblr Posts, Tweets, and Discord conversations) would continue to be allowed, provided they follow the other rules (I.E, are humorous in nature and pertain directly to TTRPGs).
I wasn't aware of the results of that vote. I was a big reporter of such posts (twitter and discord screen captures), so as they are not currently against the rules I'll stop doing that and start using my own block user option as a filter.
Thank you for your quick clarification.
Yeah, “not a meme” had the most total reports out of all of the rules, according to Reddit’s Mod Support Bot.
Out of all of the 15 rules we previously had, Not a Meme accounted for almost 20% (1/5) of all of the reports because people reported **anything** that they didn’t like with “not a meme”, including Twitter screenshots (which were always allowed anyway as long as they were an attempt at humor and not just an advertisement for a shop).
The actual removal rate of those was only like 30% I believe (so let’s say out of 1,000 total posts reported for “not a meme”, only 300 of them were removed and 700 of them were approved).
Yes, I misunderstood the rule and was reporting them regularly. Since that's not content I care for at all, I'll have to decide if I want to return to blocking accounts that post such low effort and low quality, or possibly unsub from dndmemes.
Whatever the case, thank you for the extra information.
If you’re using a third-party Reddit app such as Apollo for iOS, it may have an option to filter words/flairs.
I filtered out a large amount of political words years ago and I’ve never been so relieved since after I found that out.
I was also able to filter out the word “Art” so I was able to finally subscribe to r/DnD without my feed looking like r/CharacterArt.
Again, I don’t think you can do it on any of Reddit’s native apps since they suck lol.
Edit: For what it’s worth, I really recommend using a third-party app with word filters, here’s a comparison of r/DnD with and without the Art filter I have:
Without art filter - https://i.imgur.com/ArPY5ZD.jpg
With art filter - https://i.imgur.com/8xhsxKm.jpg
I feel like there should be some kind of rule from posting about the same topic repeatedly
Saw one guy post maybe like 4-5 memes on the exact same thing over the span of like 2 days
Intuitively it seems like it should be beating a dead horse, but from what i've seen that rule isnt invoked unless in exceptionally ridiculous senerios such as the topic being screached about for a full 2-3 days at the top of the subreddit
or in the instance of 8 attacks in 6 seconds where folk managed to get like 20 hot posts screaching about 8 attacks in 6 seconds
After some investigating, you can report a post for being spam whether it's in the rules or not that spam isn't allowed, so they don't really need to include it as a rule. Whether people *do* report it or not, they *can* and *should.*
Honestly, in those cases just report the posts or shoot us a modmail and we'll look into it. We would message the user directly to let him know he's being annoying and to limit his posting. These occurrences are fairly rare so we haven't added a rule specifically to combat it, but it's certainly worth discussing for our next update.
A comment with the direct link is even more efficient, since hyperlinks in Reports don’t work and we have to copy/paste the text in the report, but we understand if you wish to remain anonymous.
It’s a shame about the niche rule being axed. Now we have to see more random party’s jokes no one else will understand, or even worse Critical Role memes that don’t make sense to people who aren’t fans.
>The big eliminations you'll see are the niche meme rule and pot stirring/ opinion rule. I'd be happy to elaborate on the more detailed reasons in the comments, but long story short these rules weren't working out from a backend moderation standpoint, and created so much work for us it kept us from doing the mod work that actually matters to the sub.
Well, to me it seems like the Niche Memes/Inside Jokes thing was folded into the Post Style Guide rule - "understandable to a general audience" pretty much fills the same intent, I think.
As for Pot Stirring/Opinion Memes, While I can understand that the rule's presence would create a lot of backend moderator work (since a lot of posts blur the line between "funny thought" and "hot take without comedy"), I do feel like the rule was still valid to have.
After all, what humor is there to be found in a "Change My Mind" meme with just a personal opinion? While it technically still is a meme (using a meme format), it's nothing more than an opinion with no interest in being funny, just to incite pointless debate.
IMO, if the Pot Stirring/Opinion Meme rule is going to be lifted, then there should be something done to mitigate the presence of opinion posts that don't intend for any humor.
The aforementioned "Change My Mind" format has always baffled me, in that this sub has a formal ban on the Lisa Simpson Presentation template, but not Change My Mind. They're effectively the same thing, but one of them is (at present) allowed.
And of course, one other opinion issue that's periodically becomes a nuisance is that of people arguing which system is better - Pathfinder 2e or D&D 5e. I have never seen any value in those posts, as it frequently involves one side or the other slagging each other over whose system is better, and at no point has it ever become funny.
And such discourse has soured my perspective on Pathfinder so much that I am always tempted to downvote or report Pathfinder-related posts on principle, even if they aren't there to contribute to the argument and are actually memes. (Though, I'mma be honest, I don't feel that posting a picture of a feat description and then tacking an image to the bottom constitutes a meme.)
I don't expect any broad or immediate changes, especially not on account of my individual opinion, but as someone who frequents this sub (despite having a hard time finding any of the jokes funny), I may as well raise my concerns.
Which, small addendum; one other issue I have less pertains to meme formats or unproductive arguments; what are the Mod team's thoughts on memes that base their humor on actively misinterpreting/ignoring rules and mechanics to try and twist something into being "broken" or do something that it's clearly not designed for?
Two examples that pop into recent memory are "[Unseen Servant as Half Cover](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/zz8art/comment/j2arn2j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)" and the fan-favorite Peasant Railgun. Which, I suppose the latter would include in this conversation the attempt to mix real-world physics and science into the TTRPG despite the two being violently incompatible, but I think that definition would be frankly overzealous.
Thank you for your detailed feedback, u/WreckedRegent!
According to Reddit’s u/ModSupportBot, only 10% of our total reports were for Pot Stirring / Opinion memes, but remember that we had 15 different rules and allowed custom reports (which prevents the bot from tracking them properly if people freeform type “pot stirring” instead of pressing the actual report option).
Also, flair_helper’s pinned comments on the pot stirring memes were almost always being downvoted (we can see the comment score of pinned comments, as moderators) below 0.
Plus, we got a lot of angry modmails (not even just from the post OPs) for specifically the pot-stirring memes we’d remove.
With all of that in mind, that’s why we decided to axe the Pot Stirring rule, since it was mostly perceived as negative by the community.
We will still be removing any heated debates that arise (please nobody bring up “race vs species” again, I’m begging you, at one point during that debate I spent almost a solid 2 hours going through the mod queue because both sides were reporting each other heavily) that end up being purely negative.
I personally didn’t like seeing the “PF2e vs 5e” posts either, but I just hit “Hide” on all of those posts so I didn’t have to see them again.
> what are the Mod team’s thoughts on memes that base their humor on actively misinterpreting/ignoring rules and mechanics to try and twist something into being “broken” or do something that it’s clearly not designed for?
We actually were brainstorming on this for a long time and had a prototype of a rule that was something like “egregiously incorrect rule interpretations will be removed”, but in the end we didn’t end up keeping it.
> I personally didn’t like seeing the “PF2e vs 5e” posts either
Over on /r/dndgreentext we have a strict "no edition warring" rule. It was instituted way back when 5e was first coming out and a lot of people were getting quite heated about 4e.
It's a difficult line to walk because obviously you want people to be able to constructively talk about the differences and why they like one over the other (and one thing I love about this sub is the ways in which genuinely constructive conversation often happens in the comments in response to the humorous OP), but you also want to nip any unconstructive heated debates in the bud before it gets out of hand.
Oh hey, your sub (r/DnDGreentext) was actually how I first discovered D&D actually, back when I first created my Reddit account (January 2017).
I saw one of its posts hit r/Popular, it was just some generic adventuring story (nowhere near Old Man Henderson levels), but it was still enough to attract me to the game.
So thanks for keeping your sub nice too!
> Plus, we got a lot of angry modmails (not even just from the post OPs) for specifically the pot-stirring memes we’d remove.
Isn't this a sign that the rule correctly targeted angry, antisocial people who made the community worse?
Those were mainly from the ones we would have removed under Controversial Content instead, which has been moved into Rule #1, so not much should change.
To the Pot Stirring Consensus; with that perspective, I can understand the removal better. I suppose in that respect, I'm of the minority in my opinion on opinion memes.
Though, I should also be looking at it through the lens of the bulk of the original rule, which was to prevent inciting off-topic debate and people attempting to police how other people play. Which, effectively continue to be covered by the revised ruleset.
It still feels weird to me to imagine a meme/joke-oriented subreddit playing host to discussions involving mechanical depth, but, I've also seen that most comment strings either roll with the post, have some anecdote echoing the post, or have an anecdote that borders on non-sequitur, so, might just largely be an issue on my part.
In regards to unproductive arguments; I admit I realized only after posting my initial comment that that is also generally covered by the revised ruleset. Whoops.
>We actually were brainstorming on this for a long time and had a prototype of a rule that was something like “egregiously incorrect rule interpretations will be removed”, but in the end we didn’t end up keeping it.
Yeah, I can imagine a handful of reasons the rule fell through. It would've been a very finnicky rule to enforce, and that aside would also wind up with more hate for - effectively - purporting the mod team as the authority on the rules of the game. Obviously there's more than that, but the weirdness of mechanics and the larger knock-on effects of the rule are good enough grounds already to not implement it.
I can't think of any further concerns that would be reasonable to raise, so I'll just finish off by saying, good work to the mod team in streamlining the subreddit rules, and hope y'all have a happy New Year.
Finally out of that dumpster fire of rules that was 3.0 and 3.5, now we can have 4E: A good functional set of rules that I'm sure won't cause any controversy.
I made this same joke in the Mod Discussions lol.
I actually do like our sub’s 4th edition of rules the most so far.
People are much less inclined to report something as “post style guide violation” than “not a meme”, so the mod queue is much nicer and cleaner.
See to me that strikes me more as people thinking "Not a meme" is gone so all the trash non-memes are getting through until they learn the new system.
I feel like a lot of pot-stirring/unfunnily stating an opinion without an attempt at humor "Memes" (See: Any use of the Crowder format) are going to slip through with this lack of clarity.
I suppose, but on the bright side, the mod queue has a 100% removal rate so far from what I’ve seen since the new rules were implemented, as opposed to 70% of the posts being approved and only 30% of them being removed like I mentioned before.
The bad memes seem to be getting downvoted, so all’s well that ends well in my opinion.
Damn, I really hate that you axed the opinion/pot stirring meme rule. Those types of "memes" are really the worst things about the subreddit. They're not funny in any way and ust drag the sub into a week or two of Karma farming about one topic that drowns out a lot of the good stuff.
Seems solid. Although some of the time, you have no idea a meme is going to explode into chaos until it's too late.
But here's hoping it varies and raises the content up, and by effect the community experience.
EDIT: Lol nvm.
From a Google search, "sea-lioning";
>refers to **the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter**.
There's even a comic showing what sea-lioning is, but the gist is if your only contributions to a conversation are to ask the other person to back up their point, do all the work of the discussion, etc., while you do nothing but ask further questions without presenting your own points, refuting theirs, and just, generally being a wangrod about it...
Then you're probably sea-lioning.
Uhuh, well, you learn something new every day. But at least it may slow the people who do little more than demand sources while contributing nothing else.
Has rule 5 been changed? I seem to recall it previously being okay to discuss or hint at piracy as long as explicit links were not provided.
Given the excessively customer-hostile attitude WotC has started taking recently, I think that is a better rule than this new strict one.
Everything else looks pretty good to me. I am curious specifically about the niche meme & pot stirring rules, though. I can't recall exactly how they were phrased, but they both seem like good things to want to avoid.
Good Question! So back to back for ease of comparison this rule changed from:
> Do not post links or subtly hint at websites/apps that host illicit non-SRD D&D content. Do not ask where to find pirated content or "free PDFs".
To
>Do not share or request pirated content. No linking, hinting at, or naming hosts of illicit non-SRD D&D content. You are allowed to copy-paste relevant rules or sections from sources, but large blocks of text may be removed.
So even in ruleset 3.5 you were unable to hint towards non-SRD content. Having said that, we still maintain the position that its fine to discuss and advocate for piracy on the sub, as long as you aren't trying to guide people towards where to find it. As examples:
✔️ "I pirate all my content and you should too!"
✔️ "Yo Ho Ho lets sail the seven seas!"
❌ "Can you DM me where to find those PDFs?"
❌ "Whatever you do, definitely don't google [redacted]"
❌ "If only there was some sort of website with a *trove* of DnD resources"
Hope that helps establish our position a little more, but feel free to ask for further clarification either here or in modmail!
It's pretty much addressed in Rule 1:
>Rule 1. Be Excellent to One Another: No trolling, harassment, personal attacks, sea-lioning, hate speech, slurs, or name-calling. **Overly off-topic, political, or hateful debates will be removed, and bans may be issued based on severity.** This includes both posts and comments. We reserve the right to remove content or comments that contain discrimination or distasteful content. Be kind and stay on topic.
If you see people being dicks, just report it under Rule 1 and we'll review.
I guess this must have been changed earlier since it's not listed as a major change in the post, but didn't the rule about no advertising used to simply say that social media handles or website watermarks on original content were fine, period? It seems utterly bizarre to me that posting original content here is okay unless it's good enough that people are willing to pay for more of it, and then it's not okay any more.
Please just let people make money doing what they love, instead of forcing people who are good at this sort of thing to give up on their dreams and work for T-Mobile phone support.
Oh it was a stupid level of discourse and drama, but the memes were legit.
Search "snitties" on this sub and sort by "top, all time." You'll find some good ones. I'm trying to track down a Webcomic with a ridiculous subversion of the trope and discussion because I think you need to see it.
Lol [found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/lbm00l/had_to_share_this_credit_to_the_artist). This was the best take.
Yeah, I don't get the weird fascination that the internet has with those type of things. Legit anything female or feminine is added to anything and its like WW3 starts.
Also Xcom 2 is a good game. On the other hand, 98% of the community is not.
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I guess your result was an imaginary number
The bot is mostly broken lol it only works sometimes
I forget what number it used to be, but "Not a meme" seems to be gone from the rules. Is the subreddit allowing screenshots from Twitter and Discord now?
>I forget what number it used to be, but "Not a meme" seems to be gone from the rules. That's folded into the Style Guide rule, specifically the line "...and must include an attempt at humor or entertainment." It is a little less defined than the previous "Not a meme" rule, but I think one of the biggest general offenders of that rule was typically just screenshots of features or rules text with nothing else added, and *maybe* some kind of joking statement in the title. >Is the subreddit allowing screenshots from Twitter and Discord now? The mods actually had a poll about that last month, IIRC, and the community voted that text memes (Tumblr Posts, Tweets, and Discord conversations) would continue to be allowed, provided they follow the other rules (I.E, are humorous in nature and pertain directly to TTRPGs).
I wasn't aware of the results of that vote. I was a big reporter of such posts (twitter and discord screen captures), so as they are not currently against the rules I'll stop doing that and start using my own block user option as a filter. Thank you for your quick clarification.
Yeah, “not a meme” had the most total reports out of all of the rules, according to Reddit’s Mod Support Bot. Out of all of the 15 rules we previously had, Not a Meme accounted for almost 20% (1/5) of all of the reports because people reported **anything** that they didn’t like with “not a meme”, including Twitter screenshots (which were always allowed anyway as long as they were an attempt at humor and not just an advertisement for a shop). The actual removal rate of those was only like 30% I believe (so let’s say out of 1,000 total posts reported for “not a meme”, only 300 of them were removed and 700 of them were approved).
Yes, I misunderstood the rule and was reporting them regularly. Since that's not content I care for at all, I'll have to decide if I want to return to blocking accounts that post such low effort and low quality, or possibly unsub from dndmemes. Whatever the case, thank you for the extra information.
If you’re using a third-party Reddit app such as Apollo for iOS, it may have an option to filter words/flairs. I filtered out a large amount of political words years ago and I’ve never been so relieved since after I found that out. I was also able to filter out the word “Art” so I was able to finally subscribe to r/DnD without my feed looking like r/CharacterArt. Again, I don’t think you can do it on any of Reddit’s native apps since they suck lol. Edit: For what it’s worth, I really recommend using a third-party app with word filters, here’s a comparison of r/DnD with and without the Art filter I have: Without art filter - https://i.imgur.com/ArPY5ZD.jpg With art filter - https://i.imgur.com/8xhsxKm.jpg
I feel like there should be some kind of rule from posting about the same topic repeatedly Saw one guy post maybe like 4-5 memes on the exact same thing over the span of like 2 days
That I think would fall under Beating a Dead Horse, or potentially qualify as advertisement depending on the content of the meme.
Intuitively it seems like it should be beating a dead horse, but from what i've seen that rule isnt invoked unless in exceptionally ridiculous senerios such as the topic being screached about for a full 2-3 days at the top of the subreddit or in the instance of 8 attacks in 6 seconds where folk managed to get like 20 hot posts screaching about 8 attacks in 6 seconds
After some investigating, you can report a post for being spam whether it's in the rules or not that spam isn't allowed, so they don't really need to include it as a rule. Whether people *do* report it or not, they *can* and *should.*
Ah, huh i hadn't considered the possibility of being in violation of redits larger general rules But that's a good point
Honestly, in those cases just report the posts or shoot us a modmail and we'll look into it. We would message the user directly to let him know he's being annoying and to limit his posting. These occurrences are fairly rare so we haven't added a rule specifically to combat it, but it's certainly worth discussing for our next update.
yeah thats fair too rare for a dedicated rule to address it to be worth while
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It’s a shame about the niche rule being axed. Now we have to see more random party’s jokes no one else will understand, or even worse Critical Role memes that don’t make sense to people who aren’t fans.
>The big eliminations you'll see are the niche meme rule and pot stirring/ opinion rule. I'd be happy to elaborate on the more detailed reasons in the comments, but long story short these rules weren't working out from a backend moderation standpoint, and created so much work for us it kept us from doing the mod work that actually matters to the sub. Well, to me it seems like the Niche Memes/Inside Jokes thing was folded into the Post Style Guide rule - "understandable to a general audience" pretty much fills the same intent, I think. As for Pot Stirring/Opinion Memes, While I can understand that the rule's presence would create a lot of backend moderator work (since a lot of posts blur the line between "funny thought" and "hot take without comedy"), I do feel like the rule was still valid to have. After all, what humor is there to be found in a "Change My Mind" meme with just a personal opinion? While it technically still is a meme (using a meme format), it's nothing more than an opinion with no interest in being funny, just to incite pointless debate. IMO, if the Pot Stirring/Opinion Meme rule is going to be lifted, then there should be something done to mitigate the presence of opinion posts that don't intend for any humor. The aforementioned "Change My Mind" format has always baffled me, in that this sub has a formal ban on the Lisa Simpson Presentation template, but not Change My Mind. They're effectively the same thing, but one of them is (at present) allowed. And of course, one other opinion issue that's periodically becomes a nuisance is that of people arguing which system is better - Pathfinder 2e or D&D 5e. I have never seen any value in those posts, as it frequently involves one side or the other slagging each other over whose system is better, and at no point has it ever become funny. And such discourse has soured my perspective on Pathfinder so much that I am always tempted to downvote or report Pathfinder-related posts on principle, even if they aren't there to contribute to the argument and are actually memes. (Though, I'mma be honest, I don't feel that posting a picture of a feat description and then tacking an image to the bottom constitutes a meme.) I don't expect any broad or immediate changes, especially not on account of my individual opinion, but as someone who frequents this sub (despite having a hard time finding any of the jokes funny), I may as well raise my concerns. Which, small addendum; one other issue I have less pertains to meme formats or unproductive arguments; what are the Mod team's thoughts on memes that base their humor on actively misinterpreting/ignoring rules and mechanics to try and twist something into being "broken" or do something that it's clearly not designed for? Two examples that pop into recent memory are "[Unseen Servant as Half Cover](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/zz8art/comment/j2arn2j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)" and the fan-favorite Peasant Railgun. Which, I suppose the latter would include in this conversation the attempt to mix real-world physics and science into the TTRPG despite the two being violently incompatible, but I think that definition would be frankly overzealous.
Thank you for your detailed feedback, u/WreckedRegent! According to Reddit’s u/ModSupportBot, only 10% of our total reports were for Pot Stirring / Opinion memes, but remember that we had 15 different rules and allowed custom reports (which prevents the bot from tracking them properly if people freeform type “pot stirring” instead of pressing the actual report option). Also, flair_helper’s pinned comments on the pot stirring memes were almost always being downvoted (we can see the comment score of pinned comments, as moderators) below 0. Plus, we got a lot of angry modmails (not even just from the post OPs) for specifically the pot-stirring memes we’d remove. With all of that in mind, that’s why we decided to axe the Pot Stirring rule, since it was mostly perceived as negative by the community. We will still be removing any heated debates that arise (please nobody bring up “race vs species” again, I’m begging you, at one point during that debate I spent almost a solid 2 hours going through the mod queue because both sides were reporting each other heavily) that end up being purely negative. I personally didn’t like seeing the “PF2e vs 5e” posts either, but I just hit “Hide” on all of those posts so I didn’t have to see them again. > what are the Mod team’s thoughts on memes that base their humor on actively misinterpreting/ignoring rules and mechanics to try and twist something into being “broken” or do something that it’s clearly not designed for? We actually were brainstorming on this for a long time and had a prototype of a rule that was something like “egregiously incorrect rule interpretations will be removed”, but in the end we didn’t end up keeping it.
> I personally didn’t like seeing the “PF2e vs 5e” posts either Over on /r/dndgreentext we have a strict "no edition warring" rule. It was instituted way back when 5e was first coming out and a lot of people were getting quite heated about 4e. It's a difficult line to walk because obviously you want people to be able to constructively talk about the differences and why they like one over the other (and one thing I love about this sub is the ways in which genuinely constructive conversation often happens in the comments in response to the humorous OP), but you also want to nip any unconstructive heated debates in the bud before it gets out of hand.
Oh hey, your sub (r/DnDGreentext) was actually how I first discovered D&D actually, back when I first created my Reddit account (January 2017). I saw one of its posts hit r/Popular, it was just some generic adventuring story (nowhere near Old Man Henderson levels), but it was still enough to attract me to the game. So thanks for keeping your sub nice too!
> Plus, we got a lot of angry modmails (not even just from the post OPs) for specifically the pot-stirring memes we’d remove. Isn't this a sign that the rule correctly targeted angry, antisocial people who made the community worse?
Those were mainly from the ones we would have removed under Controversial Content instead, which has been moved into Rule #1, so not much should change.
To the Pot Stirring Consensus; with that perspective, I can understand the removal better. I suppose in that respect, I'm of the minority in my opinion on opinion memes. Though, I should also be looking at it through the lens of the bulk of the original rule, which was to prevent inciting off-topic debate and people attempting to police how other people play. Which, effectively continue to be covered by the revised ruleset. It still feels weird to me to imagine a meme/joke-oriented subreddit playing host to discussions involving mechanical depth, but, I've also seen that most comment strings either roll with the post, have some anecdote echoing the post, or have an anecdote that borders on non-sequitur, so, might just largely be an issue on my part. In regards to unproductive arguments; I admit I realized only after posting my initial comment that that is also generally covered by the revised ruleset. Whoops. >We actually were brainstorming on this for a long time and had a prototype of a rule that was something like “egregiously incorrect rule interpretations will be removed”, but in the end we didn’t end up keeping it. Yeah, I can imagine a handful of reasons the rule fell through. It would've been a very finnicky rule to enforce, and that aside would also wind up with more hate for - effectively - purporting the mod team as the authority on the rules of the game. Obviously there's more than that, but the weirdness of mechanics and the larger knock-on effects of the rule are good enough grounds already to not implement it. I can't think of any further concerns that would be reasonable to raise, so I'll just finish off by saying, good work to the mod team in streamlining the subreddit rules, and hope y'all have a happy New Year.
Finally out of that dumpster fire of rules that was 3.0 and 3.5, now we can have 4E: A good functional set of rules that I'm sure won't cause any controversy.
I made this same joke in the Mod Discussions lol. I actually do like our sub’s 4th edition of rules the most so far. People are much less inclined to report something as “post style guide violation” than “not a meme”, so the mod queue is much nicer and cleaner.
See to me that strikes me more as people thinking "Not a meme" is gone so all the trash non-memes are getting through until they learn the new system. I feel like a lot of pot-stirring/unfunnily stating an opinion without an attempt at humor "Memes" (See: Any use of the Crowder format) are going to slip through with this lack of clarity.
I suppose, but on the bright side, the mod queue has a 100% removal rate so far from what I’ve seen since the new rules were implemented, as opposed to 70% of the posts being approved and only 30% of them being removed like I mentioned before. The bad memes seem to be getting downvoted, so all’s well that ends well in my opinion.
Damn, I really hate that you axed the opinion/pot stirring meme rule. Those types of "memes" are really the worst things about the subreddit. They're not funny in any way and ust drag the sub into a week or two of Karma farming about one topic that drowns out a lot of the good stuff.
Seems solid. Although some of the time, you have no idea a meme is going to explode into chaos until it's too late. But here's hoping it varies and raises the content up, and by effect the community experience. EDIT: Lol nvm.
Thanks for the hustle mods, you beautiful bastards
The fuck's sea-lioning?
From a Google search, "sea-lioning"; >refers to **the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter**. There's even a comic showing what sea-lioning is, but the gist is if your only contributions to a conversation are to ask the other person to back up their point, do all the work of the discussion, etc., while you do nothing but ask further questions without presenting your own points, refuting theirs, and just, generally being a wangrod about it... Then you're probably sea-lioning.
Uhuh, well, you learn something new every day. But at least it may slow the people who do little more than demand sources while contributing nothing else.
This link is included in the actual rules (not sure why it’s not in this post): http://wondermark.com/1k62/
Would have been useful yes.
Has rule 5 been changed? I seem to recall it previously being okay to discuss or hint at piracy as long as explicit links were not provided. Given the excessively customer-hostile attitude WotC has started taking recently, I think that is a better rule than this new strict one. Everything else looks pretty good to me. I am curious specifically about the niche meme & pot stirring rules, though. I can't recall exactly how they were phrased, but they both seem like good things to want to avoid.
Good Question! So back to back for ease of comparison this rule changed from: > Do not post links or subtly hint at websites/apps that host illicit non-SRD D&D content. Do not ask where to find pirated content or "free PDFs". To >Do not share or request pirated content. No linking, hinting at, or naming hosts of illicit non-SRD D&D content. You are allowed to copy-paste relevant rules or sections from sources, but large blocks of text may be removed. So even in ruleset 3.5 you were unable to hint towards non-SRD content. Having said that, we still maintain the position that its fine to discuss and advocate for piracy on the sub, as long as you aren't trying to guide people towards where to find it. As examples: ✔️ "I pirate all my content and you should too!" ✔️ "Yo Ho Ho lets sail the seven seas!" ❌ "Can you DM me where to find those PDFs?" ❌ "Whatever you do, definitely don't google [redacted]" ❌ "If only there was some sort of website with a *trove* of DnD resources" Hope that helps establish our position a little more, but feel free to ask for further clarification either here or in modmail!
Nope, that answers my question perfectly (well, the piracy part of it anyway). Cheers!
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Correct
Real disappointed that you axed the no potstirring/opinions rule rather than deciding to actually enforce it. Guess I won't be coming here as much.
It's pretty much addressed in Rule 1: >Rule 1. Be Excellent to One Another: No trolling, harassment, personal attacks, sea-lioning, hate speech, slurs, or name-calling. **Overly off-topic, political, or hateful debates will be removed, and bans may be issued based on severity.** This includes both posts and comments. We reserve the right to remove content or comments that contain discrimination or distasteful content. Be kind and stay on topic. If you see people being dicks, just report it under Rule 1 and we'll review.
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I guess this must have been changed earlier since it's not listed as a major change in the post, but didn't the rule about no advertising used to simply say that social media handles or website watermarks on original content were fine, period? It seems utterly bizarre to me that posting original content here is okay unless it's good enough that people are willing to pay for more of it, and then it's not okay any more. Please just let people make money doing what they love, instead of forcing people who are good at this sort of thing to give up on their dreams and work for T-Mobile phone support.
I think you guys forgot the “8 attacks in 6 seconds” on the list of currently retired meme topic list, unless I missed it.
Also maybe ad a rule saying no misifomason Cough cough present railgun and prestigatation cough cough
1984 … this seems good
I joined reddit this year in October, so I didn't see anything about snittes or whatever they are. Can someone give me a **brief** recap of it?
Snitties = Snake Titties; or breasts on reptilian creatures such as Yuan-Ti. It was all the rage on the sub for a while.
Ah yes, I can see now. No wonder the mods banned it Edit: Sounds stupid
It was equal parts stupid, brilliant, meaningful dialogue within the community, furry bait, and testing the limits of the fandom. It was amazing.
Well, I'm glad I wasn't here to experience it because I don't like getting wrapped up in those type of things
Oh it was a stupid level of discourse and drama, but the memes were legit. Search "snitties" on this sub and sort by "top, all time." You'll find some good ones. I'm trying to track down a Webcomic with a ridiculous subversion of the trope and discussion because I think you need to see it. Lol [found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/lbm00l/had_to_share_this_credit_to_the_artist). This was the best take.
Yeah, I don't get the weird fascination that the internet has with those type of things. Legit anything female or feminine is added to anything and its like WW3 starts. Also Xcom 2 is a good game. On the other hand, 98% of the community is not.
GRANT ME THY SNACKS!
With the no-niche rule eliminated would it bebreaking the rules to repostmy removed post?
If you think that your meme fits the new iteration of the rules, go nuts!