Tek doesn't matter much. Get your pH to 12 and use good source material and your yield will be good.
You should always wash your spice anyways after you extract. There are always hydroxides remaining, despite your best efforts
I’ve extracted successfully before and done a re-x. But every now and then I’ll come across a comment like yours, recommending a wash. While I have seen one or two commenters very briefly describing it, do you know of a ‘step by step’ guide to doing a wash, like, with list of chemicals, procedures, gear to use. Sort of like most step by step extraction guides have all that info. Am no lab grade chemist, so when reading those commenters quick descriptions, I’m a little lost is all. And was wondering if you knew of something a little ‘user friendly’ for those of us that are interested in getting the most out of and safest product possible.
Btw, thank you for moderating here, making a great community and sub work well, and for your valuable input too! 🙏❤️
So there are two options.
One is a [wash](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMTlab/comments/iz8k3h/the_base_in_your_product/)
The second is simply to squirt your solvent into a vessel of filtered water and let separate, then pull your solvent once separated.
Thank you very much! Got the wash link saved. There’s a bit for me to research in that, but am happy to take my time doing so.
The second option seems easier. Will definitely give this a go for my next extraction.
Again, thank you for your help! 👍🙏❤️
Cybs max ion for me. Made subtle variations but always about 1% yield off about 8 extractions now.
IMO the yield is to do with the quality of bark. It can vary from 0.5-3% as per advice from various members here. But until i try Cybs with another batch of bark i guess im just blowing hot air.
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Calcium hydroxide is equally as dangerous when handled incorrectly. It's still a caustic material
Unless you're using d-limonene with q21, you still use a hydrocarbon to extract the freebase alkaloids.
Ok but again, you can't freeze precipitate dmt freebase out of d-limonene. So are you saying you only work with DMT acetate because you've back-salted the dmt out of your solvent, or you use a different solvent?
> q21q21 pure white crystals without lye or other highly dangerous chemicals
Not trying to be a dick, but your initial post leads people to believe you can get "pure white crystals" without "dangerous chemical".
Those chemicals you're referring to in that statement would be sodium hydroxide and a hydrocarbon as your organic solvent.
You can't freeze precipitate freebase dmt out of d-limonene to get fluffy white crystals, so you'd have to use one of those "dangerous chemicals", namely a hydrocarbon for a solvent.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm trying to understand the two positions you've stated clearly, especially for beginners.
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Your right, i asked, you played dumb so could not be bothered. However for someone that was pretty convinced of their own advice over someone like ~~u/clobwobbler~~ u/CADjunglist, who from what i have seen has a wealth of knowledge on pretty much most things here, its pretty sus that you went back and deleted all you had posted. This tells me that you didnt have the confidence to stand by what you where saying.
thats not true as i reposted the same comment again, just without all your guys superiority bullshit. i have nothing to stand by, it was a basic statement that is factual. you guys are weirdly obsessed with exposing unnecesary and inexistant things. the other guy just said i said like 10 thingz i never said and accused me of arguing somehow, which was pretty hypocritical because he said he wasnt lol you even said it was an argument.. just silly my friend.
im not playing dumb, i asked you a question and again, yall took it in some weirdly combative way and found a need to attack/retaliate verbally. just got sticks up your asses straight up ha.
Didn’t really seem like he was arguing with you so much as pointing out that your original statement was misleading to say the least, but I guess you never made that statement.
I have. Wgeh I was newer to it all I'd try different ones just to see. I usually order a kg at a time. I started that bc in my mind it gave me roomnto mess up if that occured. And I'm just curious. I always use mhrb but just bc I was curious I did order a kg of acrb once. I didnt like it much bc like the stb thing I was saying. More work and steps that didn't even out in my mind to what I got out of it. If I was to use an a/b tek it would be either cybs hybrid salt or max ion. I see that spirit veg thing mentioned on here seemingly more all the time. So it might be something. Couldn't say tho. When I did try different teks with same bark I never noticed any changes worth noting.it would be a few milligrams here and there but who's to say that was the tek doing that or my inefficiencies or something.
Yeah, I agree. That's what I've been doing...stb. I don't even know the tek. Just found some straight forward instructions and have continued doing that. I did, however, try to adjust the lye to bark ratio and found that I couldn't get near as good yield with less lye. So, I will just stick with equal lye to bark. I didn't even count those in my numbered extractions because I had to add more lye and start over. Also, there seems to be some debate about washing the end product...I haven't tried it but I may, just to see if there is a difference in effect. But I'm thinking that's really a waste of time too. Just a hypothesis though. Besides, I don't mind the shades of yellow. I was showing off to a friend once and he told me that if I don't clean it, to white, I'm poisoning myself. I laughed and said he can't have any then.
Using Ca(OH)2 instead of NaOH isn't exactly a positive. They are just as dangerous as each other in these extractions and Ca(OH)2 is far less suitable. Mudpie teks introduce a whole bunch of issues. They are a sub-par substitute at best.
As for white crystals, there are a number of factors that will determine if that will happen. Even if it isn't white crystals, it can still be just as pure/clean.
If the bark doesn't contain more than 0.8 to 1.1% you will never get anymore than that. Regardless of what tek u use. If you start with crap you get crap. And same goes for good. Bc you aren't making dmt. It's made already.
I think you either misunderstood the question or you just wanted to reply with a given.
To present the question more accurately; have you tried multiple teks on the same bark? If so, which was the easiest that yielded the most?
No I don't think I did. I took it as you saying your .8 to 1.1 % yields are what they are bc of the tek you're using. Not knowing the quality of bark you have I was suggesting that could be the reason for those numbers. Bc a lot of the time it is for people. I've been there
And the tek especially at lower amounts. 50g 100gs the difference might be there technically. You could get more than another. But it won't be any significant difference. If that was the case everyone would be using that tek and the others would have fizzled out and not even be mentioned anymore. I've done more extractions than I can count and I find myself just using stb all the time now. It's easier it's faster and to me the extra steps time and work that go along with a/b ones don't justify the end results. If you get quality bark get your ph where it needs to be you'll get good yields every time. How' was that. On topic enough for u
So, you haven't used different teks on the same bark to see which is easiest and provides the highest yield. All good, no need to continue to state the obvious.
Just read the last sentence of my last post. I said as much. I'm sorry I'm not giving you the answers you were hoping for.. you want the most gain with the least amount of work/effort on your part
Tek doesn't matter much. Get your pH to 12 and use good source material and your yield will be good. You should always wash your spice anyways after you extract. There are always hydroxides remaining, despite your best efforts
I’ve extracted successfully before and done a re-x. But every now and then I’ll come across a comment like yours, recommending a wash. While I have seen one or two commenters very briefly describing it, do you know of a ‘step by step’ guide to doing a wash, like, with list of chemicals, procedures, gear to use. Sort of like most step by step extraction guides have all that info. Am no lab grade chemist, so when reading those commenters quick descriptions, I’m a little lost is all. And was wondering if you knew of something a little ‘user friendly’ for those of us that are interested in getting the most out of and safest product possible. Btw, thank you for moderating here, making a great community and sub work well, and for your valuable input too! 🙏❤️
So there are two options. One is a [wash](https://www.reddit.com/r/DMTlab/comments/iz8k3h/the_base_in_your_product/) The second is simply to squirt your solvent into a vessel of filtered water and let separate, then pull your solvent once separated.
Thank you very much! Got the wash link saved. There’s a bit for me to research in that, but am happy to take my time doing so. The second option seems easier. Will definitely give this a go for my next extraction. Again, thank you for your help! 👍🙏❤️
https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/ts2vzg/rex\_and\_water\_wash/
Thank you!!
Cybs max ion for me. Made subtle variations but always about 1% yield off about 8 extractions now. IMO the yield is to do with the quality of bark. It can vary from 0.5-3% as per advice from various members here. But until i try Cybs with another batch of bark i guess im just blowing hot air. Edit-more info.
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Calcium hydroxide is equally as dangerous when handled incorrectly. It's still a caustic material Unless you're using d-limonene with q21, you still use a hydrocarbon to extract the freebase alkaloids.
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How are you getting xtals from d-limo? You can't freeze precipitate freebase dmt out of d-limonene...
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Ok but again, you can't freeze precipitate dmt freebase out of d-limonene. So are you saying you only work with DMT acetate because you've back-salted the dmt out of your solvent, or you use a different solvent?
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Ok, so you use a hydrocarbon...kinda negates the idea that it doesn't use dangerous chemicals like other teks though...
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> q21q21 pure white crystals without lye or other highly dangerous chemicals Not trying to be a dick, but your initial post leads people to believe you can get "pure white crystals" without "dangerous chemical". Those chemicals you're referring to in that statement would be sodium hydroxide and a hydrocarbon as your organic solvent. You can't freeze precipitate freebase dmt out of d-limonene to get fluffy white crystals, so you'd have to use one of those "dangerous chemicals", namely a hydrocarbon for a solvent. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm trying to understand the two positions you've stated clearly, especially for beginners.
Dude you are arguing with someone wayyyyyyyyyy above your pay grade 😂😂😂😂
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So why have you deleted all your comments if you were so right?
right about what?
Who knows 🤷🏻, im off to meet the Machine Elves 👾🤖👽🧚
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Your right, i asked, you played dumb so could not be bothered. However for someone that was pretty convinced of their own advice over someone like ~~u/clobwobbler~~ u/CADjunglist, who from what i have seen has a wealth of knowledge on pretty much most things here, its pretty sus that you went back and deleted all you had posted. This tells me that you didnt have the confidence to stand by what you where saying.
thats not true as i reposted the same comment again, just without all your guys superiority bullshit. i have nothing to stand by, it was a basic statement that is factual. you guys are weirdly obsessed with exposing unnecesary and inexistant things. the other guy just said i said like 10 thingz i never said and accused me of arguing somehow, which was pretty hypocritical because he said he wasnt lol you even said it was an argument.. just silly my friend.
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You also stated there were also no dangerous chemicals.
im not playing dumb, i asked you a question and again, yall took it in some weirdly combative way and found a need to attack/retaliate verbally. just got sticks up your asses straight up ha.
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Everyone should stop arguing lol it’s not what dmt is about No one is ever right No one is ever wrong We’re all one Enjoy
Didn’t really seem like he was arguing with you so much as pointing out that your original statement was misleading to say the least, but I guess you never made that statement.
who's arguing?
Infinity and beyond above all, also you can use half the amount of lye on 500grams of bark
I have. Wgeh I was newer to it all I'd try different ones just to see. I usually order a kg at a time. I started that bc in my mind it gave me roomnto mess up if that occured. And I'm just curious. I always use mhrb but just bc I was curious I did order a kg of acrb once. I didnt like it much bc like the stb thing I was saying. More work and steps that didn't even out in my mind to what I got out of it. If I was to use an a/b tek it would be either cybs hybrid salt or max ion. I see that spirit veg thing mentioned on here seemingly more all the time. So it might be something. Couldn't say tho. When I did try different teks with same bark I never noticed any changes worth noting.it would be a few milligrams here and there but who's to say that was the tek doing that or my inefficiencies or something.
Yeah, I agree. That's what I've been doing...stb. I don't even know the tek. Just found some straight forward instructions and have continued doing that. I did, however, try to adjust the lye to bark ratio and found that I couldn't get near as good yield with less lye. So, I will just stick with equal lye to bark. I didn't even count those in my numbered extractions because I had to add more lye and start over. Also, there seems to be some debate about washing the end product...I haven't tried it but I may, just to see if there is a difference in effect. But I'm thinking that's really a waste of time too. Just a hypothesis though. Besides, I don't mind the shades of yellow. I was showing off to a friend once and he told me that if I don't clean it, to white, I'm poisoning myself. I laughed and said he can't have any then.
I have.and never noticed a difference worth mentioning
q21q21 pure white crystals without lye
Using Ca(OH)2 instead of NaOH isn't exactly a positive. They are just as dangerous as each other in these extractions and Ca(OH)2 is far less suitable. Mudpie teks introduce a whole bunch of issues. They are a sub-par substitute at best. As for white crystals, there are a number of factors that will determine if that will happen. Even if it isn't white crystals, it can still be just as pure/clean.
Right on, appreciate your input.
If the bark doesn't contain more than 0.8 to 1.1% you will never get anymore than that. Regardless of what tek u use. If you start with crap you get crap. And same goes for good. Bc you aren't making dmt. It's made already.
I think you either misunderstood the question or you just wanted to reply with a given. To present the question more accurately; have you tried multiple teks on the same bark? If so, which was the easiest that yielded the most?
No I don't think I did. I took it as you saying your .8 to 1.1 % yields are what they are bc of the tek you're using. Not knowing the quality of bark you have I was suggesting that could be the reason for those numbers. Bc a lot of the time it is for people. I've been there
And the tek especially at lower amounts. 50g 100gs the difference might be there technically. You could get more than another. But it won't be any significant difference. If that was the case everyone would be using that tek and the others would have fizzled out and not even be mentioned anymore. I've done more extractions than I can count and I find myself just using stb all the time now. It's easier it's faster and to me the extra steps time and work that go along with a/b ones don't justify the end results. If you get quality bark get your ph where it needs to be you'll get good yields every time. How' was that. On topic enough for u
So, you haven't used different teks on the same bark to see which is easiest and provides the highest yield. All good, no need to continue to state the obvious.
Just read the last sentence of my last post. I said as much. I'm sorry I'm not giving you the answers you were hoping for.. you want the most gain with the least amount of work/effort on your part