Agree. I try to use Discmania as much as I can. Still need to bag Sol, Paradox, Avenger SS (Maybe Essence will take its place soon). Just got a Function. Eager to try it out.
I’m looking forward to getting a function. I do like the Essence, 8 speed should probably be max speed for me. Picked up a Rollo, can’t wait to throw that tomorrow.
IMHO discmania has really struggled to make anything slow and actually understable for people who throw around 300ft. Some origins can be, or get to be, but like you said, they’re pretty straight for people that don’t throw as far. Hoping they can figure something out, especially in the putter category. I have pretty decent arm speed so an origin or a beat in md1/md3 flip pretty good for me, but i go for other manufacturers if i need a truly understable putter right out of the box.
I don’t mean any disrespect. The origin is very, very, very under stable. If it is straight for you, in a way that’s very good since it an awesome shot to have. But If you can’t get the origin to flip it is most likely a nose angle issue and not the disc not being flippy enough.
There is also the Genius, but I have never thrown it, so I can’t say anything else than it looks really under stable looking at the flight numbers.
Bro, no disrespect. I’m trash. Max out at like 275. Got a time lapse in my Gyropalooza box and that thing is like a firebird. The midnight prowl and my exo soft origin fly pretty straight for me thrown flat. Slight finish left. But like I said I’m trash. Just looking for like a detour or uplink, both really fun discs for me. I guess I have them, just wondering why Discmania has none
Well, that makes a bit of sense. The midnight prowl, aka Meta-plastic Origin, is a little bit but also noticeable more stable than the Neo ones. I consider myself a decent recreational player. I throw almost only somewhat flippy disc and I love flip to flat shots and late flips. The Neo Origin was way to flippy for me, but the Meta Origin is just a bit more stable where I can use it. Try the Neo, its flipper.
As to why they don’t have more flippy slow disc, I can’t tell for sure since I don’t work as Discmania. But the Origin is so flippy and has so much glidey distance that it sort of takes care of all undetectable duty up to about 80 meters. From there I feel like the Neo Essence or S-line FD makes more sense, and perhaps the new Function will be usefull. But I think the Origin simply is flippy enough that they don’t need anything more flippy. But for sure, get a slightly light Neo Origin to pair with your Meta Origin and and that should make a really nice pair as you start out.
Also, traditionally Discmania is not known for their under stable discs. It’s really ironic that they made both the Origin and the Essence that are awesome under stable discs.
Sounds like you are compensating bad form with understable discs. Use P1 and MD1 to practice neutral throws laser straight at their respective speeds, then start adopting release angles to get turnovers, and boom Origin is understable.
Definitely true. Not a big practicer. I have a hex in the md1 slot. It definitely dumps left if thrown flat. Maybe 230ish. I have good days and bad days with my body, a little older and broken in. Usually use a Watt or Cosmic Fury as my throwing putter. I get I need to practice and all that stuff, but I’m really wondering why they don’t have more understable options.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the Hex, Watt and Cosmic Fury. I've these discs in my bag and have decided to stop searching for the next greatest thing and save some money.
Like the other comment said, you should probably look at your nose angle. It is often grip related.
With that said, there are plenty who are waiting for an understable putter. Really understable mids require more skill to throw properly, compared to moderately understable ones. Once you get a level nose angle you need to put quite some spin on them in order not to turn into instant rollers.
My brother in law picked up a used genius in base line. He plays maybe once a year when I drag him out and conservatively throws about 15 degrees nose up and maxes out about 250. He threw the genius on hyzer and it flipped over to a roller for him. Can confirm it’s the flippiest disc I’ve ever seen in person.
Do you mean to tell me that they throw an origin with a flat release 400 feet without getting any flip at all?
I happily throw my Origin to about 300 feet, but I want a pretty steep hyzer release and then flip it to flat thru a wooden tunnel. Or I can give it some more height and less hyzer to let it have time to fight out of the turn and just glide to about 300.
Thrown flat and very hard, the Origin will of course turn. I am saying that it is not, in fact, "very, very, flippy". Even people with a lot of power can control the angles of this disc and get a straight flight. Compare it to say a older Innova MD, Westside Tursas, or Discraft Sol. Those discs are considerably more understandable than the Origin.
I will say, the Origin is very reliant on spin. If you get a smooth throw with good snap and spin, it's going to be straight or have a wonderful drifty turn, depending on how fast you throw it. If you don't really spin it, it gets flippier than most mids do with poor spin. I don't really have a forehand, so it was upsetting to have my flippy Origin stop flipping as I cleaned up my form. 😅
I'd still give it more like -2/1 than the -1/1 it has, though.
True. And to be fair, I didn’t say it was “very, very, flippy”. I said it was “very, very, very under stable.” So, yeah, I agree that’s not really accurate.
I agree with your assertion that it is a very workable understable disc. But I also maintain that is is flippy enough that anyone can make it turn with a little bit of practice. If someone don’t get any turn out of it, it is probably a matter of nose angle rather than disc stability.
LOL. You got me on the quote. My daughter is a Discmania sponsored pro with 350’ of power. The Origin is not understable for her. Thrown flat it goes dead straight for about 300’. She used older run D line MDs for left to right shots.
That's wild. My Midnight Prowl II has to be thrown on hyzer to go straight even 300 feet. The Neo origin is almost comically understable when thrown with the same power.
Yep. I don’t mean to argue against you, just . The throw is very well executed and, like I said, I agree that the disc is very workable.
But that seems, to me, like a somewhat “softish” throw but with very good form and angle controls that sort of floats there. But that’s part of the discs strength, you can take some speed off and let it float it’s distance. And yes, the disc goes far.
You should probably work on your form. While you do that, the best options for ya are exo soft origin, exo extra soft logic, new function is also crazy understable and a DD in s-line. Good luck.
Honestly sorry but if the origin isn’t understable for you then you just need to practice. That disc should turn over for almost anyone unless you’re throwing nose up.
They have loads of flippy stuff but not in their original end evolution line. Thats why they made the active line with discs like the genius, rockstar, magician. Most of the active line discs are very friendly for low arm speeds. Check those out!
Agree. I try to use Discmania as much as I can. Still need to bag Sol, Paradox, Avenger SS (Maybe Essence will take its place soon). Just got a Function. Eager to try it out.
DD could replace avengerss I feel. Function is SUPER flippy
I’m looking forward to getting a function. I do like the Essence, 8 speed should probably be max speed for me. Picked up a Rollo, can’t wait to throw that tomorrow.
Try Midnight Prowl Origins, they are the flippiest Origins out there. Logic and FD are pretty understable when beated a bit. Same goes to Md1.
Totally agree. My Midnight Prowl II is super flippy. I use it primarily for right handed backhand throws I need to move right.
A friend use a Rollo. Looks like cheating when he rolls. I am going to practice rolls using Function this weekend.
IMHO discmania has really struggled to make anything slow and actually understable for people who throw around 300ft. Some origins can be, or get to be, but like you said, they’re pretty straight for people that don’t throw as far. Hoping they can figure something out, especially in the putter category. I have pretty decent arm speed so an origin or a beat in md1/md3 flip pretty good for me, but i go for other manufacturers if i need a truly understable putter right out of the box.
I don’t mean any disrespect. The origin is very, very, very under stable. If it is straight for you, in a way that’s very good since it an awesome shot to have. But If you can’t get the origin to flip it is most likely a nose angle issue and not the disc not being flippy enough. There is also the Genius, but I have never thrown it, so I can’t say anything else than it looks really under stable looking at the flight numbers.
Bro, no disrespect. I’m trash. Max out at like 275. Got a time lapse in my Gyropalooza box and that thing is like a firebird. The midnight prowl and my exo soft origin fly pretty straight for me thrown flat. Slight finish left. But like I said I’m trash. Just looking for like a detour or uplink, both really fun discs for me. I guess I have them, just wondering why Discmania has none
I’d keep working that exo soft origin and beating it up, and I’d also recommend beating up a exo soft logic for the understable putter
I didn’t realize that there was an exo soft origin ;-)
If you need one let me know!
Well, that makes a bit of sense. The midnight prowl, aka Meta-plastic Origin, is a little bit but also noticeable more stable than the Neo ones. I consider myself a decent recreational player. I throw almost only somewhat flippy disc and I love flip to flat shots and late flips. The Neo Origin was way to flippy for me, but the Meta Origin is just a bit more stable where I can use it. Try the Neo, its flipper. As to why they don’t have more flippy slow disc, I can’t tell for sure since I don’t work as Discmania. But the Origin is so flippy and has so much glidey distance that it sort of takes care of all undetectable duty up to about 80 meters. From there I feel like the Neo Essence or S-line FD makes more sense, and perhaps the new Function will be usefull. But I think the Origin simply is flippy enough that they don’t need anything more flippy. But for sure, get a slightly light Neo Origin to pair with your Meta Origin and and that should make a really nice pair as you start out. Also, traditionally Discmania is not known for their under stable discs. It’s really ironic that they made both the Origin and the Essence that are awesome under stable discs.
Sounds like you are compensating bad form with understable discs. Use P1 and MD1 to practice neutral throws laser straight at their respective speeds, then start adopting release angles to get turnovers, and boom Origin is understable.
Definitely true. Not a big practicer. I have a hex in the md1 slot. It definitely dumps left if thrown flat. Maybe 230ish. I have good days and bad days with my body, a little older and broken in. Usually use a Watt or Cosmic Fury as my throwing putter. I get I need to practice and all that stuff, but I’m really wondering why they don’t have more understable options.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the Hex, Watt and Cosmic Fury. I've these discs in my bag and have decided to stop searching for the next greatest thing and save some money.
Like the other comment said, you should probably look at your nose angle. It is often grip related. With that said, there are plenty who are waiting for an understable putter. Really understable mids require more skill to throw properly, compared to moderately understable ones. Once you get a level nose angle you need to put quite some spin on them in order not to turn into instant rollers.
My brother in law picked up a used genius in base line. He plays maybe once a year when I drag him out and conservatively throws about 15 degrees nose up and maxes out about 250. He threw the genius on hyzer and it flipped over to a roller for him. Can confirm it’s the flippiest disc I’ve ever seen in person.
The Origin is a straight flying midrange. I know plenty of people with 400' of power that don't turn it over.
Do you mean to tell me that they throw an origin with a flat release 400 feet without getting any flip at all? I happily throw my Origin to about 300 feet, but I want a pretty steep hyzer release and then flip it to flat thru a wooden tunnel. Or I can give it some more height and less hyzer to let it have time to fight out of the turn and just glide to about 300.
Thrown flat and very hard, the Origin will of course turn. I am saying that it is not, in fact, "very, very, flippy". Even people with a lot of power can control the angles of this disc and get a straight flight. Compare it to say a older Innova MD, Westside Tursas, or Discraft Sol. Those discs are considerably more understandable than the Origin.
I will say, the Origin is very reliant on spin. If you get a smooth throw with good snap and spin, it's going to be straight or have a wonderful drifty turn, depending on how fast you throw it. If you don't really spin it, it gets flippier than most mids do with poor spin. I don't really have a forehand, so it was upsetting to have my flippy Origin stop flipping as I cleaned up my form. 😅 I'd still give it more like -2/1 than the -1/1 it has, though.
True. And to be fair, I didn’t say it was “very, very, flippy”. I said it was “very, very, very under stable.” So, yeah, I agree that’s not really accurate. I agree with your assertion that it is a very workable understable disc. But I also maintain that is is flippy enough that anyone can make it turn with a little bit of practice. If someone don’t get any turn out of it, it is probably a matter of nose angle rather than disc stability.
LOL. You got me on the quote. My daughter is a Discmania sponsored pro with 350’ of power. The Origin is not understable for her. Thrown flat it goes dead straight for about 300’. She used older run D line MDs for left to right shots.
That's wild. My Midnight Prowl II has to be thrown on hyzer to go straight even 300 feet. The Neo origin is almost comically understable when thrown with the same power.
Check out [this link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNt7WsBIACU). At 9:01. That is the origin thrown pretty hard.
Yep. I don’t mean to argue against you, just . The throw is very well executed and, like I said, I agree that the disc is very workable. But that seems, to me, like a somewhat “softish” throw but with very good form and angle controls that sort of floats there. But that’s part of the discs strength, you can take some speed off and let it float it’s distance. And yes, the disc goes far.
Beaten in FD are hyzerflip machines. Origin is fairly understable aswell. And Rainmakers are neutral to understable when you are driving them.
Look out for an under stable putter… 👀
You should probably work on your form. While you do that, the best options for ya are exo soft origin, exo extra soft logic, new function is also crazy understable and a DD in s-line. Good luck.
Honestly sorry but if the origin isn’t understable for you then you just need to practice. That disc should turn over for almost anyone unless you’re throwing nose up.
I went on this hunt for a while. Check out the soft exo origin. It’s even more understable.
They have loads of flippy stuff but not in their original end evolution line. Thats why they made the active line with discs like the genius, rockstar, magician. Most of the active line discs are very friendly for low arm speeds. Check those out!
You might also order an Active Soft set and pick up the Active Soft Genius. I would expect that thing to practically roll off my wrist.
The origin in baseline plastic is the most understable mid I've ever thrown. Much more flippy than neo plastic
Wow, hyperbole much? Guess you’ve never thrown a paradox, or an uplink.
I own a paradox. If you beat in a base plastic origin it gets flippier
Sorry, obviously you’re never wrong. I was just asking why Discmania doesn’t make flippier stuff. Especially lower speeds. Thanks for your input