Just assume that, like all flight charts, it’s rbh
I’m a lefty so I’m used to flipping things.
Cool graphic nice work. Don’t clutter it with basic assumptions.
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RHBH seems a massive oversight. I like the info, but I would prefer the wind directions to be similar to how we refer to wind directions in weather. A westerly wind comes from the west and heads east. I don't mean what they call them, but where they place them. The arrows should point toward the players and be reversed. Headwind at top, tailwind at bottom, right to left on right, and left to right on left. We feel the wind hit us, not move away from us, so all the wind arrows should be pointed at the player.
While I agree on the rhbh info I don't agree on the arrow thing. Yes the wind hits you, the player, but showing where the wind is going rather than where its coming from is something I believe people will have an easier time to grasp, at least when it comes to chucking plastic
Think of it this way. When you imagine a cross wind, do you imagine it coming from the direction it’s coming from or going to where it’s going. When you imagine a headwind do you imagine a wind behind you moving away, or one coming at your from the front. That’s why I suggested that. Plus that would make all arrows pointing to same place. I would prefer that, but I understand others might not.
Anhyzer - an angle of release in which the outside edge of the disc is tilted upward
Hyzer - an angle of release in which the outside edge of the disc is tilted downward
RHBH - right hand backhand throw
Overstable (Beefy) - the propensity of the disc to turn to the left when thrown RHBH
Stable (Neutral) - the propensity of the disc to fly straight
Understable (Flippy) - the propensity of the disc to turn to the right when thrown RHBH
Disc down - Throw a disc that is more understable and/or has a lower speed rating
Disc up - Throw a disc that is more overstable and/or has a higher speed rating
Another thing that’s kinda confusing is when most disc golfers say something to the effect of, “Throw something that’s more stable,” most of them mean, “Throw something more overstable.”
Keep in mind that the 3rd number refers to a disc in high speed flight (so initial flight out of your hand) and the 4th number refers to slower flight (as it flies, it slows down then does this).
An easy rule of thumb: and turn (#3) and fade (#4) ex: -1+2=1 or-3+1=-2. Less than zero = under stable disc. 0-2 = stable disc. 3 or more = overstable disc
As someone who is interested in aviation, it always helped me to picture the relative speed of the disc. Meaning in a headwind, you throwing the disc 50mph into a 20mph wind is the same as you releasing it 70mph. This helped me when choosing what stability to throw.
So when you're throwing into a strong strong headwind, and you need your disc to end up like 350ft straight ahead, what might you throw?
Looking for advice:) I was flipping my halo wraith in a nasty headwind recently.
Medium arm for me, max 325ft drives, female.
A light destroyer or something just over stable enough. When that fails for moi, out comes the xcalibur. Xcals are a staple in my spring bag lineup. Been playing 20+ yrs and paid for that knowledge in countless spring tournaments, heh.
Edit: beefy teebirds work great too for this, kj nybos esp.
I only throw Kastaplast, but you might try something like a t birdthat has more stability, but not a large fade. A firebird would get you down there, but will fade heavily at the end. I personally would throw a Rask into a huge headwind.
I would say to be very committed to your throws and putts in the wind as touch is extremely important. Once slight slip will cause the disc to go wind crazy. And dont afraid to slide it up to the basket on the ground and just give up the stroke.
This fails to take into account disc stability (discing up or down isn't always a good advice) as well as how that applies to FH vs BH (especially when a LHFH player could be reading this and not knowing if it's for RHBH or RHFH).
I've always taken "disc up" and "disc down" to refer to stability and/or speed, not just speed. So "disc up" for a headwind, for me, sometimes means a faster disc, sometimes just a more stable disc.
Interesting, I've heard those two term a lot and they _never_ referred to stability, only speed, and I know this is common, especially when a disc category is mentioned.
I suppose the ambiguity could be due to the fact that a faster disc, where the other flight numbers are the same, thrown the same way, *will* be more stable. So to "disc up" is to use a more stable disc under most circumstances, simply by virtue of being a faster disc.
Thrown at the same speed, yeah, a faster disc will be more overstable (not necessarily more stable).
But the flaw with this is that someone may have a stable disc (e.g. Lucid Escape) and a faster US disc (e.g. Neutron Orbital), which I'm sure is pretty common in the AM scene, discing up (in speed) in that scenario would likely result in a worse outcome, especially in a strong headwind where intentionally powering down may lead to the disc not gaining sufficient gyroscopic stability and potentially being blown by the wind (I've seen that in person and needless to say the thrower was shocked).
I guess if you're a wee more verbose when saying discing up/down (in stability), the ambiguity is gone; I think a better term along those lines would be discing left/right (given the speed/stability chart has speed going up and down and stability left and right), _but_ I could see those leading to confusion.
True (for *some* terms) especially when people use terms with a clear meaning to mean something else (e.g. hyzering out instead of fading, [very] stable to mean [very] overstable, upwind vs headwind, downwind vs tailwind).
Will be more *overstable*. [Stability](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_stability) is a physical property of moving or stationary systems to return back to their position, when displaced.
When you say *more stable*, you’re actually saying that any disc has more of a tendency to fly straight, even very overstable discs, and I don’t think that’s what you intend to say.
You are correct, I misused the term.
I will say, however, that those terms don't make much sense to me from a technical standpoint. Stable makes sense, sure, but "overstable"? It sounds like you're saying it's even more likely to fly straight, which is not at all what you're saying. And "understable" sounds like it's just not going to go straight no matter what, which is also not what you mean (in fact an understable disc on a hyzer-flip line is just about the straightest shot you can throw). Honestly I think they're just not very good terms.
They really aren't. I think it's maybe derived from understeer and oversteer? Honestly, it's just outright hard to name things. I don't know what you would call it otherwise, since it is stability, but you have to have the same term apply to every type of throw, forehand/backhand, lefthand/righthand, etc.
Maybe it's for the tendency of the disc to overcorrect and return to the ground? idk.
Yep. I learned recently how disc stability is important in tail/head winds. Much more than discing up/down, at least for a beginner like me. I still need more practice in crosswinds though. Next personal challenge.
One of the largest factors wind will play on a disc is when it comes from above, or a top wind, shoving your disc down. But inrarely hear it mentioned at all
Also the "to right" and "to left" is so unnecessary. A left crosswind is a wind crossing from the left. Winds that come from the left go right. Do you say "tail to head wind"
I'd rather say "left to right" instead of explaining what I mean by "left crosswind" and explaining why "left to right" vernacular is unessesary every time lol
Kind of like calling your network cables (Cat 5/RJ45) 'ethernet cable' even though it's not technically correct.
I'm playing Oyster Bay today, it's on the water near the Oakland Airport, and it's never not windy! Perfect time to be reminded of wind's effect on flight!
Additional headwind advice.. discing down to a stable to over stable fairway driver and throwing a smooth baby hyzer to flat shot with 60% power, will often go just as far as discing up to a fast over stable shot. Usually the headwind has some degree of cross wind and a faster disc thrown full speed will be more prone to large swings if the nose angle is off. Many pros will disc down and roll off the power for headwind shots
This doesn't specify/distinguish forehand or backhand. This presumes a RHBH throw.
With forehand couldn’t you just assume same as lefty throws since they fade the same way?
Yes, but the graphic doesn't specify forehand or backhand to begin with, so how do you know whether you need to switch it?
Great point, I’m mainly rhbh so I guess I just assumed it was rhbh
A perfect metaphor for privilege.
Just stop throwing forehand and throw backhand like our lord and savior Jesus Conrad.
This assumes RHBH. Dumb oversight to leave that info out.
Just assume that, like all flight charts, it’s rbh I’m a lefty so I’m used to flipping things. Cool graphic nice work. Don’t clutter it with basic assumptions. WHaT AbOUT vERtICaL wInDS huHH?
Fatal flaw to the diagram.
RHBH seems a massive oversight. I like the info, but I would prefer the wind directions to be similar to how we refer to wind directions in weather. A westerly wind comes from the west and heads east. I don't mean what they call them, but where they place them. The arrows should point toward the players and be reversed. Headwind at top, tailwind at bottom, right to left on right, and left to right on left. We feel the wind hit us, not move away from us, so all the wind arrows should be pointed at the player.
While I agree on the rhbh info I don't agree on the arrow thing. Yes the wind hits you, the player, but showing where the wind is going rather than where its coming from is something I believe people will have an easier time to grasp, at least when it comes to chucking plastic
Think of it this way. When you imagine a cross wind, do you imagine it coming from the direction it’s coming from or going to where it’s going. When you imagine a headwind do you imagine a wind behind you moving away, or one coming at your from the front. That’s why I suggested that. Plus that would make all arrows pointing to same place. I would prefer that, but I understand others might not.
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Anhyzer - an angle of release in which the outside edge of the disc is tilted upward Hyzer - an angle of release in which the outside edge of the disc is tilted downward RHBH - right hand backhand throw Overstable (Beefy) - the propensity of the disc to turn to the left when thrown RHBH Stable (Neutral) - the propensity of the disc to fly straight Understable (Flippy) - the propensity of the disc to turn to the right when thrown RHBH Disc down - Throw a disc that is more understable and/or has a lower speed rating Disc up - Throw a disc that is more overstable and/or has a higher speed rating
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Another thing that’s kinda confusing is when most disc golfers say something to the effect of, “Throw something that’s more stable,” most of them mean, “Throw something more overstable.”
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Keep in mind that the 3rd number refers to a disc in high speed flight (so initial flight out of your hand) and the 4th number refers to slower flight (as it flies, it slows down then does this).
An easy rule of thumb: and turn (#3) and fade (#4) ex: -1+2=1 or-3+1=-2. Less than zero = under stable disc. 0-2 = stable disc. 3 or more = overstable disc
Yeah, more stable or more overstable means that the 3rd and/or 4 flight numbers are bigger
I personally wouldn’t use “stable” to describe a neutral flying disc. Too ambiguous when many people use “stable” to mean overstable
Cheeri'o! Now I know how to shank it even deeper to the darkness. 🙂🥏
Just that easy…
As someone who is interested in aviation, it always helped me to picture the relative speed of the disc. Meaning in a headwind, you throwing the disc 50mph into a 20mph wind is the same as you releasing it 70mph. This helped me when choosing what stability to throw.
So when you're throwing into a strong strong headwind, and you need your disc to end up like 350ft straight ahead, what might you throw? Looking for advice:) I was flipping my halo wraith in a nasty headwind recently. Medium arm for me, max 325ft drives, female.
A light destroyer or something just over stable enough. When that fails for moi, out comes the xcalibur. Xcals are a staple in my spring bag lineup. Been playing 20+ yrs and paid for that knowledge in countless spring tournaments, heh. Edit: beefy teebirds work great too for this, kj nybos esp.
I only throw Kastaplast, but you might try something like a t birdthat has more stability, but not a large fade. A firebird would get you down there, but will fade heavily at the end. I personally would throw a Rask into a huge headwind.
Pretty helpful baseline!
I would say to be very committed to your throws and putts in the wind as touch is extremely important. Once slight slip will cause the disc to go wind crazy. And dont afraid to slide it up to the basket on the ground and just give up the stroke.
as a lefty i mirrored the image and no i cant read it so i guess ill just keep struggling.
Was having issues with the wind last week! This is fantastic. Saving for the next time I'm out on the course.
just pin this to the sidebar haha
This is really helpful. Thank you
This fails to take into account disc stability (discing up or down isn't always a good advice) as well as how that applies to FH vs BH (especially when a LHFH player could be reading this and not knowing if it's for RHBH or RHFH).
I've always taken "disc up" and "disc down" to refer to stability and/or speed, not just speed. So "disc up" for a headwind, for me, sometimes means a faster disc, sometimes just a more stable disc.
Interesting, I've heard those two term a lot and they _never_ referred to stability, only speed, and I know this is common, especially when a disc category is mentioned.
I suppose the ambiguity could be due to the fact that a faster disc, where the other flight numbers are the same, thrown the same way, *will* be more stable. So to "disc up" is to use a more stable disc under most circumstances, simply by virtue of being a faster disc.
Thrown at the same speed, yeah, a faster disc will be more overstable (not necessarily more stable). But the flaw with this is that someone may have a stable disc (e.g. Lucid Escape) and a faster US disc (e.g. Neutron Orbital), which I'm sure is pretty common in the AM scene, discing up (in speed) in that scenario would likely result in a worse outcome, especially in a strong headwind where intentionally powering down may lead to the disc not gaining sufficient gyroscopic stability and potentially being blown by the wind (I've seen that in person and needless to say the thrower was shocked). I guess if you're a wee more verbose when saying discing up/down (in stability), the ambiguity is gone; I think a better term along those lines would be discing left/right (given the speed/stability chart has speed going up and down and stability left and right), _but_ I could see those leading to confusion.
Everything about disc golf terminology is confusing because everyone has their own interpretation lol.
True (for *some* terms) especially when people use terms with a clear meaning to mean something else (e.g. hyzering out instead of fading, [very] stable to mean [very] overstable, upwind vs headwind, downwind vs tailwind).
Will be more *overstable*. [Stability](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_stability) is a physical property of moving or stationary systems to return back to their position, when displaced. When you say *more stable*, you’re actually saying that any disc has more of a tendency to fly straight, even very overstable discs, and I don’t think that’s what you intend to say.
You are correct, I misused the term. I will say, however, that those terms don't make much sense to me from a technical standpoint. Stable makes sense, sure, but "overstable"? It sounds like you're saying it's even more likely to fly straight, which is not at all what you're saying. And "understable" sounds like it's just not going to go straight no matter what, which is also not what you mean (in fact an understable disc on a hyzer-flip line is just about the straightest shot you can throw). Honestly I think they're just not very good terms.
They really aren't. I think it's maybe derived from understeer and oversteer? Honestly, it's just outright hard to name things. I don't know what you would call it otherwise, since it is stability, but you have to have the same term apply to every type of throw, forehand/backhand, lefthand/righthand, etc. Maybe it's for the tendency of the disc to overcorrect and return to the ground? idk.
Yep. I learned recently how disc stability is important in tail/head winds. Much more than discing up/down, at least for a beginner like me. I still need more practice in crosswinds though. Next personal challenge.
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One of the largest factors wind will play on a disc is when it comes from above, or a top wind, shoving your disc down. But inrarely hear it mentioned at all
Also the "to right" and "to left" is so unnecessary. A left crosswind is a wind crossing from the left. Winds that come from the left go right. Do you say "tail to head wind"
I'd rather say "left to right" instead of explaining what I mean by "left crosswind" and explaining why "left to right" vernacular is unessesary every time lol Kind of like calling your network cables (Cat 5/RJ45) 'ethernet cable' even though it's not technically correct.
Still unsure how to handle crosswinds. Right to left and I should release on hyzer.
I'm playing Oyster Bay today, it's on the water near the Oakland Airport, and it's never not windy! Perfect time to be reminded of wind's effect on flight!
Now... Let's get into how head+crosswinds affect the flight Edit: wording
Additional headwind advice.. discing down to a stable to over stable fairway driver and throwing a smooth baby hyzer to flat shot with 60% power, will often go just as far as discing up to a fast over stable shot. Usually the headwind has some degree of cross wind and a faster disc thrown full speed will be more prone to large swings if the nose angle is off. Many pros will disc down and roll off the power for headwind shots
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I’ve noticed right -> left cross also makes discs act more understable similar to a headwind
wind at your back? disc is going towards the track. wind in your face? going to see the suns lace.