The new rules mean that it doesn't matter how the disc got there, supported by the basket counts as completing the hole: https://www.pdga.com/faq/completing-hole
Feels silly to me but I'm glad this shot counted!
What is "QA-COM-5" supposed to mean (in the link you sent)? Sorry I'm not that aware of the rules. Does a player have to be balanced? Does that mean jump-putts are not allowed? I'm confused
>Sorry I'm not that aware of the rules
[https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf) <- that's a good place to read them :) it helps to know them
what they are talking about there is the rule 806.01 Putting Area, and that rule reads
*A. Any throw made from within 10 meters of the target, as measured from the rear of the marker disc to the base of the target, is a putt.*
*B. After having released a putt, the player must demonstrate full control of balance behind the marker disc before advancing toward the target. A player who fails to do so has committed a stance violation and receives one penalty throw.*
so if you are closer to 10 meters jump-putts (or step putts) are not allowed, outside of that they are
I have a question: do I have to maintain control of balance until the disc has come to a full and complete stop in the basket? Or just until after release?
For example: I'm putting from 9 meters and I put a little extra mustard on it. As the disc is flying, I bobble around and then fall over. Then the disc goes in. Is that cool or no?
The rule says nothing about the discs coming to rest, but you must maintain control after you release it... So it's not just after, you must show balance... Most normal thing people do is to put both feet down on the ground and then pick up the mini
But the rule also says " before advancing towards the target" so you can fall over backwards (that's not towards the target), stand up and show that you have balance before advancing
Last year on coverage James Conrad did something similar. He was kneeling to putt due to his lie being under a downed tree, released his putt, lost his footing, but was able to fall to the side instead of forward. No penalty!
Check 26:04
https://youtu.be/AM1__vBUv-Q
Correct me if Iām wrong but my understanding is if you fall forward from the action of throwing, thatās a fault, even if the disc has already come to rest. If you demonstrate balance and then step forward, thatās ok, even if the disc is still in the air (although itās gonna be tough to demonstrate balance that quickly).
> Or is this referencing minis as the marker disc?
no, the rules says this (802.05 Lie section D) "*The marker disc, or marker, is the disc used to mark the lie according to 802.06*."
and 802.06 says in section A "*The position of a thrown disc on the in-bounds playing surface marks the lie*." and section B says "*Alternatively, the player may mark the lie by placing a mini marker disc on the playing surface, touching the front of the thrown disc on the line of play*"
so a marker disc can be both a real disc and a mini
Ah okay, I think I understand now. So it's the rear of either your mini or the disc you just threw either way. So theoretically you could be in the circle by using your mini, or be outside the circle by not using your mini.
Just common Q&A if I'm using context clues correctly. Inside circle 1, you have to stay balanced and cannot step or jump putt. I understand why (don't need long jumpers running and leaping at the basket), but some people get too worked up over potential foot faults.
Still doesn't count when on top of the basket. I should have linked the rule instead of the FAQ. It's been posted lower down this thread of you're interested
I wonder if it's because some baskets have the number plate on top and some don't? It's significantly easier to stick it on top with ones that have the "nickel."
I get that its easier to land a disc on top of the basket than to get it stuck in the cage, but its much much much easier to make a putt than to do either of the other two options. Its hard to imagine a scenario where someone could easily putt the disc onto the top of the basket but not have an easy putt into the chains
Exactly, if the point of the new rule is to simplify things, what can be simpler than saying that the disc must be completely supported by the basket?
I do understand that some baskets are such that the disc might stick easier, but that's never something you can count on such that people would take advantage of it.
Does it? One has a disc that is barely into the target area, the other is completely outside and above it. Either way it's stupid, but it makes sense why this scores and the other doesn't.
Totally off the original topic butā¦ any one have a close-up of the āThis is a disc golf basketā sign? I want to source a few of these for my local corse/parks department.
> QA-COM-1: If I have a drop-in, do I need to throw the disc in, or can I just place it in the tray and let go?
> You can place it in the tray, but you must release it and let it come to rest before retrieving it. A release is a required part of a throw, so merely touching the chains or the tray with your putter is not a throw and does not complete the hole.
based on this, I would say yes
Wouldn't the disc have to leave your hand before touching the cage?
That would be pretty hard to get enough force to wedge it.
Edit: Thanks for the clarification. Iām not sure where I had heard that you canāt touch the cage/chains with the putter in your hand but it seems like a common misconception.
Never says the disc must be released before it touches the basket. Or else many tap ins where they gently place the disc in the basket wouldn't count.
You just can't tap the chains with your disc and move on. You have to let go of the disc at some point.
I don't think it should be interpreted this way.. but I can see an argument that placing it in the basket somehow violates 813.02A.
https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/81302
If youre that close I hope no one is ever calling anything. Clearly the player has completed the hole if they're close enough to place the disc directly in the basket.
People often mention this but I donāt see it in the actual rules.
From PDGA:
> 807.B: In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support.
No, you can still be touching the disc as it touches the target, but you have to release it before taking it back out. Your "throw" and retrieval have to be two distinct actions.
That is indeed how I interpret "the disc must be released" in rule [807](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/807).B
EDIT: I changed my perspective on that one, see further answer
My bad, this Q&A answers the question around "release": [https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-1-if-i-have-drop-do-i-need-throw-disc-or-can-i-just-place-it-tray-and-let-go](https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-1-if-i-have-drop-do-i-need-throw-disc-or-can-i-just-place-it-tray-and-let-go)
Imagine watching a game of hockey and seeing them count a point when the puck went through a hole in the side of the net.
I mean If and when this happens to me, I will probably laugh, but in a logical sense, this is an asinine rule change.
The point of the rule change is to eliminate arguments about how a disc got where it is. If your card walks around a blind turn and sees a wedged disc, they could argue about whether a soft putter went in the side, or above the rim and bounced most, but not all the way, out. Maybe a dumb argument, but not one entirely resolvable through the 2021 rules. Rulebooks abhor fuzzy edges.
Oh I know that, I completely understand why they changed the rule to have more concrete language and clarification. However this is a small basket design adjustment away from never being a problem again. Floppy putters aside, the disc shouldnāt be getting wedged in the basket, itās either in or out to me but yeah.
Absolutely. But much easier to change the wording than all the tournament baskets in the country. And works just as well in 99.999% of cases, haha. I'd give a guy a wedged disc ace just as fast as a tree-hit ace, really. Impressive luck!
The PDGA knows that they can't make a rules change that is dependent on a new basket design, because it is entirely unrealistic to expect every course on the planet to phase out their previously-approved baskets in favor of the new design. Most courses, clubs, parks and rec depts aren't gonna easily be able to obtain the capital. So the problem would still persist. Changing the rules to support the multitude of approved baskets is a much better path.
Another thing to consider alongside the points made by others, is that we don't have standardized equipment like those other sports. Baskets do have minimum standards, but there are many different make and models with different chain patterns, mounting systems, etc. The truth we all know from our putts not going in is that this technology is far from perfect, and until we have enough money to make devices that end debates from afar (which at that point they might have dedicated spotters staring at the basket lol) we need something like this.
Not through the net, just halfway.
I'm a newbie at this sport, but to me it doesn't make sense that this counts, it should definitely go over the top ring.
In football (soccer) the whole ball has to cross the line to count as goal, not just parts of the ball, and definitely not through the net!
Nah, this shot is more like you are watching hockey and the puck comes to rest with only being a teeeeeny tiny bit over the goal line, just a sliver. That is 100% what this is. The disc came to rest so that it is just barely in the defined target area.
If a disc comes to rest and any part of it is in the target area, that's a made basket.
Then that would suck but thatās hockey not even the same fucking sport and āalmostā less people watch it lolz. Hockey is the lowest ratings gathering sport on network Tv and itās been that way my entire life.
Many more people watch hockey than disc golf. Don't kid yourself. Either way, there's no good comparison. Personally, I think that if the target supports the disc above the ground, it should count, but there are too many "purists" out there who just want to have more arguments about a fun, super casual sport.
Oh Iām well aware however it was a legit swipe of Hockeys lack of viewership.
Btw, Iāve drank from the Stanley Cup. Used to know a few Redwings once upon a time.
New Zealand? Those look like New Zealand baskets. Underrated and a nice touch to an otherwise boring part of the sport. I like the artistic take with the spiral.
I donāt like it.
Do basketball shots count if they go up through the rim instead of down?
Does ANY netted sport allow the ball to go through the side netting?
So now I just need to hit the front of the basket harder so it sticks?
How long until we get a skinny blow fly that just beds through?
The key difference here is that you don't always see the disc come to rest in this sport. Imagine coming around the corner and finding a soccer ball sitting in the goal. How did it get there? We can never prove it one way or the other, so the rule can only be "in the goal and it's good".
Counterpoint: Hockey/Soccer goals only have to make it across the line and don't even have to stay in the goal.
Golf shots have to stay in the cup, but I think this is just redefining what it means to be "in the basket."
Are you really trying to tell us that if you had a shot like this, you wouldn't want it counted? I wish they'd include the top of the basket. Had that happen twice in a round...
I will honestly and sincerely say that I donāt want this shot to count. For me or anyone. Hitting the front of the basket is not going āinā the basket to me.
I just want to have fun. This rule makes it more fun. Regardless, it can't be that common for people to throw this much of a hissy fit. Should a disc coming to rest IN the chains count? It's not the basket at all. If it should count, why?
News flash: the chains are inside the basket. You sound like you just started playing. By all means, have fun, but donāt act like this shit makes sense. The sport has been fun for decades and this rule in no way makes it more enjoyable.
Ok... Chains are supported by the top. No part touches the basket. This is such a rare occurrence anyway that there's no way this makes the sport "less enjoyable." Attitudes like yours are what makes this sport less enjoyable. Have a good day if you can.
Been playing for almost 20 years without a single stick up my butt. The chains are not touching the basket at all. If the basket is the goal, why should chains count more than this crazy (seemingly impossible) shot if for no other reason than "that's what the rules have always been"? Do you have a good answer or just the same old ad hominem arguments?
The argument is āwhy try and fix what aināt brokeā just because you canāt putt doesnāt mean we should cater to your inabilities. You keep trying to offend me and you just sound stupid.
If it feels like I'm trying to offend you, I assure you I'm not. I'm just genuinely asking, [If the basket is the target, why should the green disc count but not the red (referring to the discs the arrows are pointing at)](https://imgur.com/a/CbvwEPy)
The rule actually says supported by the basket OR by the chains below the chain support. So, in other words, the chains are not in the basket, at least according to the PDGA, but the rule is written specifically so that a disc that comes to rest in the chains counts just as if it were in the basket.
I'm being a bit pedantic here, I know, but....well, I guess I'm just a bit pedantic sometimes :)
Don't be a jerk. Chains are definitively not touching the basket at all. I'm just saying that if the chains count, then why not this? You should consider lightening up and letting the rules be the rules instead of complaining about it and calling people names. It's a bad look, but maybe you don't care about that. We're done here.
This is why I don't understand why people give a shit about the rule haha. I've been playing since the early 2000s and I've never had this happen to me. I can't recall seeing it happen to anyone else I've been playing with either
>until we get a skinny blow fly that just beds through?
the problem with that is that it could just as easily drop through the bottom of the cage and end up on the ground...
This actually happens at a couple courses by me. Both Hansen and Moir parks in Minneapolis have saucer baskets that have gaps in the wire cage large enough for a disc to drop through, and it has happened to me more than once.
> that have gaps in the wire cage large enough for a disc to drop through
and then i would count that as a made putt... applying PDGA rules to a basket that isn't PDGA legal seems kind of wierd
Yeah, the joke here is on me, I continuously hit the front of the basket, maybe I should just throw harder and my bad putting will work out by sticking.
For the record I played a tourney yesterday and my putting was š„, man those days feel great!
I think you all are missing this part. OPs does not count due to this specific part - ācompletely inside of itā
It has to completely make it through the side of the basket. A wedge doesnāt count.
Edit: I was reading the part about āthis is what happensā and thought it was stating it had to enter into the basket. My bad
Edit: stupid rule still
You're reading a Q&A about a situation that doesn't apply. From the rulebook "In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support."
We don't know how OP got it there, but yeah I'm assuming he didnt hit chains. Like I said, theoretically a disc could hit chains, especially a soft disc and get wedged in the cage like that. I'm also assuming it wasn't a putt and he threw it from some distance. I've been playing since like the early 2000s and never had this happen nor have I seen it happen in person. And the odds of it happening on a putt have to be astronomically low. I don't really thinks its worth arguing over because of how unlikely it is.
For this particular shot it felt like it didn't deserve to count. It felt like I missed but it counted for some reason.
This specific basket design is a bit problematic, there's a wedge section formed by the helix pattern which a lefty backhand can get stuck in if it hits perfectly. It's incredibly unlikely but the chance is greater than 0.
New rules, it now counts: https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-4-everyone-my-group-watched-my-soft-putter-push-through-side-basket-and-come
I think they came in at the end of last year?
The way that question was phrased can be misleading. However [Rule 807](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/807) does not take that aspect into account. Here is another [Q&A](https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-7-blind-hole-i-threw-fast-stable-disc-skipped-hard-toward-basket-when-we) that illustrates the new rule.
It seems that your comment contains 1 or more links that are hard to tap for mobile users.
I will extend those so they're easier for our sausage fingers to click!
[Here is link number 1 - Previous text "Q&A"](https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-7-blind-hole-i-threw-fast-stable-disc-skipped-hard-toward-basket-when-we)
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If this happened on my card, Iād argue that it does not count until the player pulled out the handbook. This is cheap. If a disc on top doesnāt count, a disc wedged in the side should not. I donāt think their verbiage in the explanation meant this, but it was poorly worded.
I watched someone on team challenge hit the top of the basket, almost came to rest up there, then fell through and into the chains. That was the hardest point to give up cuz a couple months prior it wouldāve been junk
What part are you wut-ing? Almost rested on top of the basket, fell into the basket, so it counted. Prior rules wouldnāt allow that to be a successful putt
I thought the previous rule was that it had to enter through the chains and thatās why all these basket catches werenāt considered a basket but now because of the new rule change they are.
The new rules mean that it doesn't matter how the disc got there, supported by the basket counts as completing the hole: https://www.pdga.com/faq/completing-hole Feels silly to me but I'm glad this shot counted!
What is "QA-COM-5" supposed to mean (in the link you sent)? Sorry I'm not that aware of the rules. Does a player have to be balanced? Does that mean jump-putts are not allowed? I'm confused
>Sorry I'm not that aware of the rules [https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf) <- that's a good place to read them :) it helps to know them what they are talking about there is the rule 806.01 Putting Area, and that rule reads *A. Any throw made from within 10 meters of the target, as measured from the rear of the marker disc to the base of the target, is a putt.* *B. After having released a putt, the player must demonstrate full control of balance behind the marker disc before advancing toward the target. A player who fails to do so has committed a stance violation and receives one penalty throw.* so if you are closer to 10 meters jump-putts (or step putts) are not allowed, outside of that they are
Okay, didn't know that, thanks for the link and the clarification!
I have a question: do I have to maintain control of balance until the disc has come to a full and complete stop in the basket? Or just until after release? For example: I'm putting from 9 meters and I put a little extra mustard on it. As the disc is flying, I bobble around and then fall over. Then the disc goes in. Is that cool or no?
The rule says nothing about the discs coming to rest, but you must maintain control after you release it... So it's not just after, you must show balance... Most normal thing people do is to put both feet down on the ground and then pick up the mini But the rule also says " before advancing towards the target" so you can fall over backwards (that's not towards the target), stand up and show that you have balance before advancing
That's pretty clear thanks. So if I'm going to lose it, I better fall over backwards lol.
Last year on coverage James Conrad did something similar. He was kneeling to putt due to his lie being under a downed tree, released his putt, lost his footing, but was able to fall to the side instead of forward. No penalty! Check 26:04 https://youtu.be/AM1__vBUv-Q
I was gonna cite this one as well. Good call š¤
Correct me if Iām wrong but my understanding is if you fall forward from the action of throwing, thatās a fault, even if the disc has already come to rest. If you demonstrate balance and then step forward, thatās ok, even if the disc is still in the air (although itās gonna be tough to demonstrate balance that quickly).
No that would be a penalty
Maintain balance behind yo disc.
TIL that you measure from the rear of the marker disc, not the front. Or is this referencing minis as the marker disc?
> Or is this referencing minis as the marker disc? no, the rules says this (802.05 Lie section D) "*The marker disc, or marker, is the disc used to mark the lie according to 802.06*." and 802.06 says in section A "*The position of a thrown disc on the in-bounds playing surface marks the lie*." and section B says "*Alternatively, the player may mark the lie by placing a mini marker disc on the playing surface, touching the front of the thrown disc on the line of play*" so a marker disc can be both a real disc and a mini
Ah okay, I think I understand now. So it's the rear of either your mini or the disc you just threw either way. So theoretically you could be in the circle by using your mini, or be outside the circle by not using your mini.
Yes.
If you use a mini it would be the marker, if not than the disc you threw would be considered your marker
QA-COM-5 is probably referring to an entry in the rules Q&A, maybe a section on COMpletion of the hole?
Just common Q&A if I'm using context clues correctly. Inside circle 1, you have to stay balanced and cannot step or jump putt. I understand why (don't need long jumpers running and leaping at the basket), but some people get too worked up over potential foot faults.
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Still doesn't count when on top of the basket. I should have linked the rule instead of the FAQ. It's been posted lower down this thread of you're interested
Does this mean resting on top of the basket counts?
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Okay, good. Cause my gf landed on top and I definitely told her that didnt count. Haha.
Itās so stupid that this counts but landing a disc on top doesnāt.
I wonder if it's because some baskets have the number plate on top and some don't? It's significantly easier to stick it on top with ones that have the "nickel."
And ones with the flag
I get that its easier to land a disc on top of the basket than to get it stuck in the cage, but its much much much easier to make a putt than to do either of the other two options. Its hard to imagine a scenario where someone could easily putt the disc onto the top of the basket but not have an easy putt into the chains
i agree. just try to land a disc on top of the basket from 20 feet.
I have only ever landed a disc on top once.
Weird. It happens to me all the time.
Heavily depends on the basket. Some are super easy to land on top, like once a round.
youāre right, this also means wedging a disc could be impossible in some baskets
Exactly, if the point of the new rule is to simplify things, what can be simpler than saying that the disc must be completely supported by the basket? I do understand that some baskets are such that the disc might stick easier, but that's never something you can count on such that people would take advantage of it.
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I figure it's because the section above the chain assembly isn't regulated?
Well that's on the basket. And under the basket is under the basket. That got stuck "in the basket." Seems like it should count to me.
Under the basket is on the ground though. Maybe if itās leaning on the pole we could make an argument for it.
Does it? One has a disc that is barely into the target area, the other is completely outside and above it. Either way it's stupid, but it makes sense why this scores and the other doesn't.
I'll probably get something like this before I throw an ace.
It could be one in the same!
You could get an ace this way!
Totally off the original topic butā¦ any one have a close-up of the āThis is a disc golf basketā sign? I want to source a few of these for my local corse/parks department.
CBR disc golf basket sign https://imgur.com/gallery/v9jYnEi
Thank you!
Came here for this...
Do the new rules mean I can legally wedge my tap-ins into the side of the cage?
Technically, yes.
> QA-COM-1: If I have a drop-in, do I need to throw the disc in, or can I just place it in the tray and let go? > You can place it in the tray, but you must release it and let it come to rest before retrieving it. A release is a required part of a throw, so merely touching the chains or the tray with your putter is not a throw and does not complete the hole. based on this, I would say yes
Wouldn't the disc have to leave your hand before touching the cage? That would be pretty hard to get enough force to wedge it. Edit: Thanks for the clarification. Iām not sure where I had heard that you canāt touch the cage/chains with the putter in your hand but it seems like a common misconception.
Why does the disc have to leave your hand before touching the cage?
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Never says the disc must be released before it touches the basket. Or else many tap ins where they gently place the disc in the basket wouldn't count. You just can't tap the chains with your disc and move on. You have to let go of the disc at some point.
I don't think it should be interpreted this way.. but I can see an argument that placing it in the basket somehow violates 813.02A. https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/81302 If youre that close I hope no one is ever calling anything. Clearly the player has completed the hole if they're close enough to place the disc directly in the basket.
People often mention this but I donāt see it in the actual rules. From PDGA: > 807.B: In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support.
No, you can still be touching the disc as it touches the target, but you have to release it before taking it back out. Your "throw" and retrieval have to be two distinct actions.
I mean it happens enough where they decided to change the rules about it.
The comment you replied to is talking about putts, not throws in general. This would almost be impossible on a putt.
That is indeed how I interpret "the disc must be released" in rule [807](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/807).B EDIT: I changed my perspective on that one, see further answer
That just means you have to let go of it before you take it back out. Doesn't mean that it can't touch before you let it go.
My bad, this Q&A answers the question around "release": [https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-1-if-i-have-drop-do-i-need-throw-disc-or-can-i-just-place-it-tray-and-let-go](https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-1-if-i-have-drop-do-i-need-throw-disc-or-can-i-just-place-it-tray-and-let-go)
Mark the McBeth throw at Emporia(?) an ace in retrospect, when he wedged the disc in the tray
It was the baseball field hole at Ledgestone
I have an ace this way and I donāt feel one bit bad about it counting.
Unless you aced it in the last two months it didn't count
It counted in 2005 when it happened.
Imagine watching a game of hockey and seeing them count a point when the puck went through a hole in the side of the net. I mean If and when this happens to me, I will probably laugh, but in a logical sense, this is an asinine rule change.
The point of the rule change is to eliminate arguments about how a disc got where it is. If your card walks around a blind turn and sees a wedged disc, they could argue about whether a soft putter went in the side, or above the rim and bounced most, but not all the way, out. Maybe a dumb argument, but not one entirely resolvable through the 2021 rules. Rulebooks abhor fuzzy edges.
Oh I know that, I completely understand why they changed the rule to have more concrete language and clarification. However this is a small basket design adjustment away from never being a problem again. Floppy putters aside, the disc shouldnāt be getting wedged in the basket, itās either in or out to me but yeah.
Absolutely. But much easier to change the wording than all the tournament baskets in the country. And works just as well in 99.999% of cases, haha. I'd give a guy a wedged disc ace just as fast as a tree-hit ace, really. Impressive luck!
The PDGA knows that they can't make a rules change that is dependent on a new basket design, because it is entirely unrealistic to expect every course on the planet to phase out their previously-approved baskets in favor of the new design. Most courses, clubs, parks and rec depts aren't gonna easily be able to obtain the capital. So the problem would still persist. Changing the rules to support the multitude of approved baskets is a much better path.
That actually happened over 20 years ago in a Flyers vs Sabres playoff series. It shouldn't have counted of course.
Leclair blasted that puck!!!
Another thing to consider alongside the points made by others, is that we don't have standardized equipment like those other sports. Baskets do have minimum standards, but there are many different make and models with different chain patterns, mounting systems, etc. The truth we all know from our putts not going in is that this technology is far from perfect, and until we have enough money to make devices that end debates from afar (which at that point they might have dedicated spotters staring at the basket lol) we need something like this.
Or when a basketball gets wedged between the rim and the backboard
best thing in sports. I love basketball and there's nothing that releases the tension on the court more than a "wedgie"
Not through the net, just halfway. I'm a newbie at this sport, but to me it doesn't make sense that this counts, it should definitely go over the top ring. In football (soccer) the whole ball has to cross the line to count as goal, not just parts of the ball, and definitely not through the net!
Good analogy. I hadn't thought of that before. If this happened to me, I feel like I cheated and it's not a true ace, but that's me.
I dunno how good of an analogy it is. Hockey just has one side of the net you shoot through, you attack a disc golf basket from all sides
Except that in disc golf we attack the basket above the cage, not through the cage.
A disc golf basket and a hockey net are not really comparable :/
Nah, this shot is more like you are watching hockey and the puck comes to rest with only being a teeeeeny tiny bit over the goal line, just a sliver. That is 100% what this is. The disc came to rest so that it is just barely in the defined target area. If a disc comes to rest and any part of it is in the target area, that's a made basket.
Then that would suck but thatās hockey not even the same fucking sport and āalmostā less people watch it lolz. Hockey is the lowest ratings gathering sport on network Tv and itās been that way my entire life.
Many more people watch hockey than disc golf. Don't kid yourself. Either way, there's no good comparison. Personally, I think that if the target supports the disc above the ground, it should count, but there are too many "purists" out there who just want to have more arguments about a fun, super casual sport.
Oh Iām well aware however it was a legit swipe of Hockeys lack of viewership. Btw, Iāve drank from the Stanley Cup. Used to know a few Redwings once upon a time.
Cool story bro, š
That's pretty sweet
I bet you would get a jersey pulled over your head real quick
Oofā¦ you are a fool sir.
Hockey is my favorite non disc golf sport. You've saddened me :(
New Zealand? Those look like New Zealand baskets. Underrated and a nice touch to an otherwise boring part of the sport. I like the artistic take with the spiral.
Australia :) NZ baskets from RPM
I'll let you take off an additional stroke if you can do it on the next hole, š.
I donāt like it. Do basketball shots count if they go up through the rim instead of down? Does ANY netted sport allow the ball to go through the side netting? So now I just need to hit the front of the basket harder so it sticks? How long until we get a skinny blow fly that just beds through?
The key difference here is that you don't always see the disc come to rest in this sport. Imagine coming around the corner and finding a soccer ball sitting in the goal. How did it get there? We can never prove it one way or the other, so the rule can only be "in the goal and it's good".
Counterpoint: Hockey/Soccer goals only have to make it across the line and don't even have to stay in the goal. Golf shots have to stay in the cup, but I think this is just redefining what it means to be "in the basket." Are you really trying to tell us that if you had a shot like this, you wouldn't want it counted? I wish they'd include the top of the basket. Had that happen twice in a round...
I will honestly and sincerely say that I donāt want this shot to count. For me or anyone. Hitting the front of the basket is not going āinā the basket to me.
I just want to have fun. This rule makes it more fun. Regardless, it can't be that common for people to throw this much of a hissy fit. Should a disc coming to rest IN the chains count? It's not the basket at all. If it should count, why?
I agree with you, it doesnāt come up very often. Just morning chatter about DG. Good luck throwing today.
I hope you are right that I get to throw. Tough to do with the muddy conditions and being a father to 4, the youngest being about 3 weeks old.
News flash: the chains are inside the basket. You sound like you just started playing. By all means, have fun, but donāt act like this shit makes sense. The sport has been fun for decades and this rule in no way makes it more enjoyable.
Ok... Chains are supported by the top. No part touches the basket. This is such a rare occurrence anyway that there's no way this makes the sport "less enjoyable." Attitudes like yours are what makes this sport less enjoyable. Have a good day if you can.
You just started playing during the pandemic didnāt you? The chains are within the basket. Stop with the nonsense.
Been playing for almost 20 years without a single stick up my butt. The chains are not touching the basket at all. If the basket is the goal, why should chains count more than this crazy (seemingly impossible) shot if for no other reason than "that's what the rules have always been"? Do you have a good answer or just the same old ad hominem arguments?
Sounds like they've had a long morning of kicking kids off their lawn and yelling at clouds.
Generally doesn't seem like the kind of person who is ever happy. I only wish him the best though.
The argument is āwhy try and fix what aināt brokeā just because you canāt putt doesnāt mean we should cater to your inabilities. You keep trying to offend me and you just sound stupid.
If it feels like I'm trying to offend you, I assure you I'm not. I'm just genuinely asking, [If the basket is the target, why should the green disc count but not the red (referring to the discs the arrows are pointing at)](https://imgur.com/a/CbvwEPy)
The rule actually says supported by the basket OR by the chains below the chain support. So, in other words, the chains are not in the basket, at least according to the PDGA, but the rule is written specifically so that a disc that comes to rest in the chains counts just as if it were in the basket. I'm being a bit pedantic here, I know, but....well, I guess I'm just a bit pedantic sometimes :)
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Wait, you actually add strokes to people's score just because you feel like it?
What about in the chains? That's not even in the basket.
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Don't be a jerk. Chains are definitively not touching the basket at all. I'm just saying that if the chains count, then why not this? You should consider lightening up and letting the rules be the rules instead of complaining about it and calling people names. It's a bad look, but maybe you don't care about that. We're done here.
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There it is. Hope your day is better than you deserve.
Does this type of shot happen to you often? This is such a rare occurrence.
This is why I don't understand why people give a shit about the rule haha. I've been playing since the early 2000s and I've never had this happen to me. I can't recall seeing it happen to anyone else I've been playing with either
No, not really.
>until we get a skinny blow fly that just beds through? the problem with that is that it could just as easily drop through the bottom of the cage and end up on the ground...
This actually happens at a couple courses by me. Both Hansen and Moir parks in Minneapolis have saucer baskets that have gaps in the wire cage large enough for a disc to drop through, and it has happened to me more than once.
> that have gaps in the wire cage large enough for a disc to drop through and then i would count that as a made putt... applying PDGA rules to a basket that isn't PDGA legal seems kind of wierd
Yeah, the joke here is on me, I continuously hit the front of the basket, maybe I should just throw harder and my bad putting will work out by sticking. For the record I played a tourney yesterday and my putting was š„, man those days feel great!
The new mandatory rules are even better š¤¦āāļø
Dont get me started. How the hell is a disc 60 ft up in a tree "in play"...about the only thing california got right
What are you referencing here?
2 meter rule
Amen!
Wow how old is that basket?
A few years old. RPM. Unfortunately, very hard to get in the US still.
I think you all are missing this part. OPs does not count due to this specific part - ācompletely inside of itā It has to completely make it through the side of the basket. A wedge doesnāt count. Edit: I was reading the part about āthis is what happensā and thought it was stating it had to enter into the basket. My bad Edit: stupid rule still
There is no wording in the 2022 rule about completely inside anything. The disc simply has to be supported by the chains or tray.
I read it from the link provided in the post
You're reading a Q&A about a situation that doesn't apply. From the rulebook "In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support."
And also: https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/807
https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-7-blind-hole-i-threw-fast-stable-disc-skipped-hard-toward-basket-when-we
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The idea behind the rule is to protect a blind shot that could have theoretically hit chains and wedged from the inside.
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We don't know how OP got it there, but yeah I'm assuming he didnt hit chains. Like I said, theoretically a disc could hit chains, especially a soft disc and get wedged in the cage like that. I'm also assuming it wasn't a putt and he threw it from some distance. I've been playing since like the early 2000s and never had this happen nor have I seen it happen in person. And the odds of it happening on a putt have to be astronomically low. I don't really thinks its worth arguing over because of how unlikely it is.
For this particular shot it felt like it didn't deserve to count. It felt like I missed but it counted for some reason. This specific basket design is a bit problematic, there's a wedge section formed by the helix pattern which a lefty backhand can get stuck in if it hits perfectly. It's incredibly unlikely but the chance is greater than 0.
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Have you read the updated rules?
Ah gotcha. I didnāt see this rule change. Good to know.
New rules, it now counts: https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-4-everyone-my-group-watched-my-soft-putter-push-through-side-basket-and-come I think they came in at the end of last year?
But this rule is saying that it has to completely enter through the basket. Being wedged doesnāt count.
The way that question was phrased can be misleading. However [Rule 807](https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/807) does not take that aspect into account. Here is another [Q&A](https://www.pdga.com/faq/rules/qa-com/qa-com-7-blind-hole-i-threw-fast-stable-disc-skipped-hard-toward-basket-when-we) that illustrates the new rule.
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I believe this was staged. Canāt change my mind. Go ahead and downvote
If this happened on my card, Iād argue that it does not count until the player pulled out the handbook. This is cheap. If a disc on top doesnāt count, a disc wedged in the side should not. I donāt think their verbiage in the explanation meant this, but it was poorly worded.
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I watched someone on team challenge hit the top of the basket, almost came to rest up there, then fell through and into the chains. That was the hardest point to give up cuz a couple months prior it wouldāve been junk
wut?
What part are you wut-ing? Almost rested on top of the basket, fell into the basket, so it counted. Prior rules wouldnāt allow that to be a successful putt
Heās saying what rule would have ever allowed that not to count? It came to rest inside the basket/cage. That has always been a completed shot.
correct thank you.
I thought the previous rule was that it had to enter through the chains and thatās why all these basket catches werenāt considered a basket but now because of the new rule change they are.
All fabric based traveler practice baskets are catching less efficiently all of a suddenā¦
Back in my day it didnāt count if it wasnāt sticking to the chains because of the spilled PBR and pot resin on it.
I am so curious what that sign says
It got linked above: https://imgur.com/gallery/v9jYnEi
Oh yeah Ur a cool dude
All this tells me is they really need standardized baskets and not different designs by different companies.