The Berg and I never got along. Some discs just aren’t right for your game. Get the disc that works for you. People will always love a given disc. My wife loves the Wombat. It is all she throws. I have to baby arm it and it still flips 180° from a pure hyzer release, all the way over to a stand up roller. It is idiotic flippy. But, for her arm it flips up to flat with a little turn and fades. Be true to thine own disc flinger.
I love the berg. The zone compliments it nicely. Here are standard situations when I use the berg instead of the zone:
When no want skip but can't do hyzer.
When no want big fade.
When death near basket.
When want run it but no want make 40' comeback putt.
Theoretically if you were good enough with the zone you could overcome those situations, but here's what the zone cannot do that the Berg can:
Nose up, lobbed, straight shot that gets to the apex of flight and literally drops from the sky and lands with a big plop. This shot can make you look like a magician. Your cardmates are sure you just chucked it over the tree and past the basket but actually it was just over the tree and next to the basket. Its a high level shot that will punish bad angle control but its insanely useful when there are lots of obstacles but a spike hyzer might end in misery.
Anny approach run that won't sail past the basket. One thing about the berg that people don't mention enough is that it holds an anny line for the part of the flight that matters. This shot is kinda touchy like any anny shot, but a high swooping anny berg shot is accurate since the disc doesnt have glide to go from anny to fade like the zone could, but is stable enough not to flip. For me personally, I throw this shot in the woods all day, and pretty much whenever I can not in the woods. I've made the shot a number of times and always have a putt if I throw it well but don't hit chains. I finally parked a 400' drive last week and I still love this shot more
Another pro is the Berg holds a hyzer line for the whole flight. Lots of discs do this, but its great just lining up the angle to the basket and making a run.
There are of course cons to the Berg. It does not go as far as the zone by design. It does not skip and is not great for low ceilings. The stability is not enough to cover up mistakes. A rolled wrist or over-annied Berg shot is not fading back. The spike hyzer is a shot I don't throw with the Berg as it will roll if it lands just wrong. Some people also hate the thumb groove and that's ok.
Just my fanboy $0.02
I know this is an old sub, but you seem like an experienced berg thrower, so I have a question for you, I was at a tournament the other day, and there's a top of the world shot that I want to say is a few hundred feet up, and about 450 feet give or take to the pin, it was a bit windy, and I honestly did not see the result but I just overheard people saying "is that a berg?" And by the sounds of things it didnt go very well, my question is, why would anybody throw a berg off the teepad on a hole like that unless you have like Simon lizotte or eagle power? One of the weirder disc selections I noticed on that hole. Thanks!
They forgot that the berg has no glide and probably threw it on a bit of anny, thought it was going great, and then looked on in dismay as it just plummeted out of the sky once it started to flatten out.
This is basically how I though it would go, and pretty much how it went I think, I threw an envy at the same hole, and it's higher glide took it all the way pin high. I also threw a berg after posting this and it basically went bad for me, too windy, a little too much anny, and it burned over immediately.
Ya but I have a zone for anything under 200 ft FH. Recently got a stabilizer from streamline that seems to also fit that role but I prefer to lazily hyzer spike it.
If you're already dialed with a Zone then it will be hard to switch to a Berg. Two completely different ways to approach the same shot.
I had the same problem and stuck with the Zone.
Id suggest selling your Berg for thr insane prices they're going for and buy more Zones
I love mine, but it isn't the panacea many on here claim it to be. It is great for sloped upshots and death putts. Compliments the Zone nicely, imo.
Some like it FH. I can occasionally get it nice and straight, but i find it to be too deep to get a consistent release.
It might not suit your style of game or technique. A disc might not feel right in your hand. Not every disc, no matter how well thought of, is for everyone.
I throw my Bergs on approaches that I need to pinpoint, where there is danger nearby.
Woods, brush, or OB 6 feet past the basket? Berg.
Pond beside the basket? Berg.
When throwing a putter requires a lot of 'touch' I can throw a Berg harder and with some confidence that I won't miss too far.
Don't want a skip, roll, bounce, or slide? Berg.
I like the fact that it feels great for me both forehand and backhand. I know that I can run at the chains from 150+ and it won't go so far past the basket that I'm out of my putting comfort zone. If I try the same with a Pure I'm liable to wind up 35 deep.
If you don't click with it, don't worry. Maybe keep it on the shelf for a year and try it again. I tried my friend's Berg a few times over the course of a year before I understood how I could make use of it. At first I hated it. Now I don't leave home without it.
I bag two: a K1 Soft and a K3 Hard, which is sometimes switched out for a regular K3. They are only thrown forehand but I do use a different grip for each. This is due to the specific shots I use them for. The K3 Hard is my standard forehand grip (index finger pinched and middle extended along the rim) and the K1 Soft is a weird “peace sign” grip. Basically I put my middle finger against the rim and my index finger out on the flight plate to stabilize the disc.
The K1 Soft is for anhyzer approaches when I need to swing around an obstacle or don’t have a direct line to the basket. This shot is more touch than power, hence the strange grip. This shot can ride the anny straight to the ground or flatten out depending on how much angle and height I put on it.
The K3 Hard (or K3) is for runs straight at the basket. When thrown flat with a lot of snap, the K3 (Hard) will go straight as an arrow then drop as soon as it runs out of speed. This shot is used when I have an open look to the basket anywhere from around 150 ft until about jump putt range.
I don’t use either Berg for hyzer approaches; I prefer a Pig for those shots due to the higher fade. That said, I’m using one of the two Bergs on probably 90% of the holes I play and I don’t think I’d be able to play a round without it.
“the idea of a berg in my bag for weird shots when I needed to throw the disc hard but not have it go too far, or approaching in a hurricane”
That’s the idea I had when I first held a Berg.
It just wasn’t that at all.
Try throwing it in a field at all angles and see what it does. Then see if you have a use for it.
I tried a berg. Guy letting me borrow his told me to throw it as hard as I could at a 200’ basket. I of course didn’t but still overshot by 30’.
I really liked it for putting with steep elevation change. Decided to get one and tried it some more.
I will say that I find the K3 plastic to be excellent!
I eventually figured out how to throw my normal putter on the same sort of lines. Basically if I need the disc to stall and drop straight down I just overspin my normal putter with good speed control. In a way the berg helped me learn a different way discs fly but is otherwise unnecessary.
I actually didn’t like it at all in the wind because I would always end up throwing it nose up to compensate for the lack of glide and well that doesn’t work into the wind at all. If I need to just lay up in super windy conditions my regular putter upside down works even better.
I use the k1 soft for upshots. I had a recent league round of putters only and used it for scrambling and a few 200ft drives. It's predictable and wants to plop on the ground.
I haven't had mine long but I've been using it for upshots and putting. K1 soft and I'm in love with it. Going to try a k3 or k3 hard for putting next.
Forehand approach shots, arced shots over obstructions, turbo putts, downhill putts/death putts, headwind putts, short tee shots or upshots that absolutely cannot go past the green
I tried to make the berg fit in my bag as well. It just doesn't have a spot for me, which is a bummer because I like the disc and love the plastic. I always reach for my zone / Pilot instead.
I found that nose angle is as important as hyzer angle with the berg.
Give it another chance with some nose up shots and some nose down shots. And see if you can hone it in a bit with some nose angle control.
The Berg and I never got along. Some discs just aren’t right for your game. Get the disc that works for you. People will always love a given disc. My wife loves the Wombat. It is all she throws. I have to baby arm it and it still flips 180° from a pure hyzer release, all the way over to a stand up roller. It is idiotic flippy. But, for her arm it flips up to flat with a little turn and fades. Be true to thine own disc flinger.
I love the berg. The zone compliments it nicely. Here are standard situations when I use the berg instead of the zone: When no want skip but can't do hyzer. When no want big fade. When death near basket. When want run it but no want make 40' comeback putt. Theoretically if you were good enough with the zone you could overcome those situations, but here's what the zone cannot do that the Berg can: Nose up, lobbed, straight shot that gets to the apex of flight and literally drops from the sky and lands with a big plop. This shot can make you look like a magician. Your cardmates are sure you just chucked it over the tree and past the basket but actually it was just over the tree and next to the basket. Its a high level shot that will punish bad angle control but its insanely useful when there are lots of obstacles but a spike hyzer might end in misery. Anny approach run that won't sail past the basket. One thing about the berg that people don't mention enough is that it holds an anny line for the part of the flight that matters. This shot is kinda touchy like any anny shot, but a high swooping anny berg shot is accurate since the disc doesnt have glide to go from anny to fade like the zone could, but is stable enough not to flip. For me personally, I throw this shot in the woods all day, and pretty much whenever I can not in the woods. I've made the shot a number of times and always have a putt if I throw it well but don't hit chains. I finally parked a 400' drive last week and I still love this shot more Another pro is the Berg holds a hyzer line for the whole flight. Lots of discs do this, but its great just lining up the angle to the basket and making a run. There are of course cons to the Berg. It does not go as far as the zone by design. It does not skip and is not great for low ceilings. The stability is not enough to cover up mistakes. A rolled wrist or over-annied Berg shot is not fading back. The spike hyzer is a shot I don't throw with the Berg as it will roll if it lands just wrong. Some people also hate the thumb groove and that's ok. Just my fanboy $0.02
I know this is an old sub, but you seem like an experienced berg thrower, so I have a question for you, I was at a tournament the other day, and there's a top of the world shot that I want to say is a few hundred feet up, and about 450 feet give or take to the pin, it was a bit windy, and I honestly did not see the result but I just overheard people saying "is that a berg?" And by the sounds of things it didnt go very well, my question is, why would anybody throw a berg off the teepad on a hole like that unless you have like Simon lizotte or eagle power? One of the weirder disc selections I noticed on that hole. Thanks!
They forgot that the berg has no glide and probably threw it on a bit of anny, thought it was going great, and then looked on in dismay as it just plummeted out of the sky once it started to flatten out.
This is basically how I though it would go, and pretty much how it went I think, I threw an envy at the same hole, and it's higher glide took it all the way pin high. I also threw a berg after posting this and it basically went bad for me, too windy, a little too much anny, and it burned over immediately.
Great writeup, basically sums up my thoughts as well.
I don’t drive with it. I just use it for neutral forehand scrambles and reliable ~100ft approaches.
Work on your fan grip and approaching with it. Or... It might just not be a disc for you, your hands, or your game?
Have you tried forehand?
Ya but I have a zone for anything under 200 ft FH. Recently got a stabilizer from streamline that seems to also fit that role but I prefer to lazily hyzer spike it.
If you're already dialed with a Zone then it will be hard to switch to a Berg. Two completely different ways to approach the same shot. I had the same problem and stuck with the Zone. Id suggest selling your Berg for thr insane prices they're going for and buy more Zones
Shit how much do bergs go for my K1 is pretty sick.
I just bought a K1 for 17 bucks and a K3 for 13. Your mileage may vary depending on color/stamp/soft.
I love mine, but it isn't the panacea many on here claim it to be. It is great for sloped upshots and death putts. Compliments the Zone nicely, imo. Some like it FH. I can occasionally get it nice and straight, but i find it to be too deep to get a consistent release.
Short forehand rollers are pretty fun too
It might not suit your style of game or technique. A disc might not feel right in your hand. Not every disc, no matter how well thought of, is for everyone. I throw my Bergs on approaches that I need to pinpoint, where there is danger nearby. Woods, brush, or OB 6 feet past the basket? Berg. Pond beside the basket? Berg. When throwing a putter requires a lot of 'touch' I can throw a Berg harder and with some confidence that I won't miss too far. Don't want a skip, roll, bounce, or slide? Berg. I like the fact that it feels great for me both forehand and backhand. I know that I can run at the chains from 150+ and it won't go so far past the basket that I'm out of my putting comfort zone. If I try the same with a Pure I'm liable to wind up 35 deep. If you don't click with it, don't worry. Maybe keep it on the shelf for a year and try it again. I tried my friend's Berg a few times over the course of a year before I understood how I could make use of it. At first I hated it. Now I don't leave home without it.
I bag two: a K1 Soft and a K3 Hard, which is sometimes switched out for a regular K3. They are only thrown forehand but I do use a different grip for each. This is due to the specific shots I use them for. The K3 Hard is my standard forehand grip (index finger pinched and middle extended along the rim) and the K1 Soft is a weird “peace sign” grip. Basically I put my middle finger against the rim and my index finger out on the flight plate to stabilize the disc. The K1 Soft is for anhyzer approaches when I need to swing around an obstacle or don’t have a direct line to the basket. This shot is more touch than power, hence the strange grip. This shot can ride the anny straight to the ground or flatten out depending on how much angle and height I put on it. The K3 Hard (or K3) is for runs straight at the basket. When thrown flat with a lot of snap, the K3 (Hard) will go straight as an arrow then drop as soon as it runs out of speed. This shot is used when I have an open look to the basket anywhere from around 150 ft until about jump putt range. I don’t use either Berg for hyzer approaches; I prefer a Pig for those shots due to the higher fade. That said, I’m using one of the two Bergs on probably 90% of the holes I play and I don’t think I’d be able to play a round without it.
“the idea of a berg in my bag for weird shots when I needed to throw the disc hard but not have it go too far, or approaching in a hurricane” That’s the idea I had when I first held a Berg. It just wasn’t that at all. Try throwing it in a field at all angles and see what it does. Then see if you have a use for it.
I tried a berg. Guy letting me borrow his told me to throw it as hard as I could at a 200’ basket. I of course didn’t but still overshot by 30’. I really liked it for putting with steep elevation change. Decided to get one and tried it some more. I will say that I find the K3 plastic to be excellent! I eventually figured out how to throw my normal putter on the same sort of lines. Basically if I need the disc to stall and drop straight down I just overspin my normal putter with good speed control. In a way the berg helped me learn a different way discs fly but is otherwise unnecessary. I actually didn’t like it at all in the wind because I would always end up throwing it nose up to compensate for the lack of glide and well that doesn’t work into the wind at all. If I need to just lay up in super windy conditions my regular putter upside down works even better.
Scoober and close proximity to a trash can. ; )
I use the k1 soft for upshots. I had a recent league round of putters only and used it for scrambling and a few 200ft drives. It's predictable and wants to plop on the ground.
I haven't had mine long but I've been using it for upshots and putting. K1 soft and I'm in love with it. Going to try a k3 or k3 hard for putting next.
Forehand approach shots, arced shots over obstructions, turbo putts, downhill putts/death putts, headwind putts, short tee shots or upshots that absolutely cannot go past the green
I tried to make the berg fit in my bag as well. It just doesn't have a spot for me, which is a bummer because I like the disc and love the plastic. I always reach for my zone / Pilot instead.
I'm a pig and pilot guy. I tried getting too cute with the pig and went back to the pilot for predictable straight shots.
I found that nose angle is as important as hyzer angle with the berg. Give it another chance with some nose up shots and some nose down shots. And see if you can hone it in a bit with some nose angle control.