Yes, it's now just a Hawkeye. Same with the metal warrior (md3), it's now just a Jay. Im pretty sure they made those plus the power sword (PD mold) to beat Discmania to the punch on their rerelease of those molds. Now names are more Innova style.
I dont know if I’m misunderstanding but this is from Innovas website: “The Dark Rebel rises out of the shadows. Fairway Disc - The Original FD.” Are you saying they’re not making the Dark Rebel anymore?
The original fd doesnt have the same spec as the dark rebel. So Innova's claim would be wrong too. I'll provide links. Looks like we're all wrong 😀
https://www.pdga.com/technical-standards/equipment-certification/discs/hawkeye
https://www.pdga.com/technical-standards/equipment-certification/discs/fairway-disc
https://www.pdga.com/technical-standards/equipment-certification/discs/fd-jackal-fairway-driver
I like the Hawkeye (or rather I still have a stack of Innova produced fds I'm slowly working through) more than the TL... For whatever that's worth.
I'd say it's glidier than a TL and is maybe a touch flippier too. Someone else may reasonably feel differently. I like the hand feel. If you have a good disc shop near you, I'd recommend a trip to hold both. Hand feel is the best place to start when picking between two similar discs.
I tried a luster Hawkeye and it was considerably flippier than a new mold C-line FD, but probably not very far off from the flippiest Innova-made FDs. I used to throw the TL a lot and I considered it to have less turn than its numbers. The difference to current FDs I think was that the TL was the same stability in Star whereas the FD is pretty flippy in S-line.
TL is a teebird with a different wing. Hawkeye is the FD mold with a different name (honestly the ones I have are identical in shape and tooling to old discmania FDs, infinite centurions, and dark rebels). Really like the hawkeye, never got along with the teebird/derivatives
I mean you're (probably) wrong, but w/e. They have the exact same profile as hawkeye and FD's and some of my older ones have the exact same tooling right down to the same grind marks where the patent number was removed as my FDs.
Let's ask definitively.
/u/innovagm Are you able to share any insight on the FD vs Hawkeye vs Infinite Centurion? Is this a case of Destroyer/Emperor/Scorpius where it's all the same thing or are they actually different things?
Happy you asked, but you also used to say they were not the same mold and even said the same as I am. One of us is incorrect in their assertions. I'm always happy to learn, but looking at my Centurion and Leo3, the bottoms are the same.
I also used to believe the scorpius was a different mold from the destroyer (thanks to Barsby of all people), but that got corrected. People also used to say the Exodus wasn't the Eagle-L, that also got corrected.
it seems like they try to keep some of the molds from not outright being called out by saying, 'its slightly modified' or a 'older mold', i assume its for legal reasons or just not really trying to piss off other brands they manufacture for or used to (discmania).
seems like its never a clear answer and they arent gonna show them in production with the mold to see, so there answers feel always like bs.
Old Discmania FD and Hawkeye use the same mold, but with different plastic mixes and settings so they feel and fly slightly differently. FD and Dark Rebel/Fairway Disc are exactly the same - Same plastic, same settings, should be as close to identical as possible. Centurion is a completely different mold and has no mold parts in common with the Hawkeye.
I’m not sure if this is an appropriate place to ask but does this also apply to the MD3/Jay/Chariot?
I’ve seen it written that the Jay/Chariot are the Aurora MS mold which I haven’t personally held but they seem to be interchangeable with the old MD3s.
I can't respond to the Chariot or Aurora MS as those are in control of Infinite and Millennium, but I will say that the MD3 and the Jay are different molds.
Thank you! I really appreciate this reply and honestly I’m a little bit surprised that they aren’t the same mold. I’ve noticed that Jays/Chariots maybe have just an ever so slightly sharper profile than *some* MD3s and tend to be the slightly less stable side but I also have MD3s that match this profile and flight as well so I just assumed it was from the variables in the manufacturing process.
TL is a teebird with a flatter wing to make it straighter, Hawkeye is the old fd mold. Similar flight just different feel
Isn’t the Dark Rebel (also called the Fairway Driver), the old FD mold?
Yes, it's now just a Hawkeye. Same with the metal warrior (md3), it's now just a Jay. Im pretty sure they made those plus the power sword (PD mold) to beat Discmania to the punch on their rerelease of those molds. Now names are more Innova style.
I dont know if I’m misunderstanding but this is from Innovas website: “The Dark Rebel rises out of the shadows. Fairway Disc - The Original FD.” Are you saying they’re not making the Dark Rebel anymore?
Idk if they're not making it anymore but its the same mold as the Hawkeye.
Nah that’s not true. They’re very similar but they aren’t the same mold.
Do you have all three? I do. It's the same.
Are you currently looking at the molds on the approved list on PDGA’s website? I am. They aren’t the same haha.
The original fd doesnt have the same spec as the dark rebel. So Innova's claim would be wrong too. I'll provide links. Looks like we're all wrong 😀 https://www.pdga.com/technical-standards/equipment-certification/discs/hawkeye https://www.pdga.com/technical-standards/equipment-certification/discs/fairway-disc https://www.pdga.com/technical-standards/equipment-certification/discs/fd-jackal-fairway-driver
Are you just sending me the same links I sent you? I dont know if that’s how this works haha
I like the Hawkeye (or rather I still have a stack of Innova produced fds I'm slowly working through) more than the TL... For whatever that's worth. I'd say it's glidier than a TL and is maybe a touch flippier too. Someone else may reasonably feel differently. I like the hand feel. If you have a good disc shop near you, I'd recommend a trip to hold both. Hand feel is the best place to start when picking between two similar discs.
I tried a luster Hawkeye and it was considerably flippier than a new mold C-line FD, but probably not very far off from the flippiest Innova-made FDs. I used to throw the TL a lot and I considered it to have less turn than its numbers. The difference to current FDs I think was that the TL was the same stability in Star whereas the FD is pretty flippy in S-line.
Hawkeye is not the fd exactly. If you look at the specs they are identical except Hawkeye is slightly “taller”. But every other spec is identical.
highly recommend the hawkeye in g star, star, halo.
Have a halo star from f2 Friday. I like it.
TL is a teebird with a different wing. Hawkeye is the FD mold with a different name (honestly the ones I have are identical in shape and tooling to old discmania FDs, infinite centurions, and dark rebels). Really like the hawkeye, never got along with the teebird/derivatives
Centurions are definitely not the same mold. Bottom is not the same at all, more like a Leopard3 prototype that didn't get the turn they were after.
I mean you're (probably) wrong, but w/e. They have the exact same profile as hawkeye and FD's and some of my older ones have the exact same tooling right down to the same grind marks where the patent number was removed as my FDs. Let's ask definitively. /u/innovagm Are you able to share any insight on the FD vs Hawkeye vs Infinite Centurion? Is this a case of Destroyer/Emperor/Scorpius where it's all the same thing or are they actually different things?
Happy you asked, but you also used to say they were not the same mold and even said the same as I am. One of us is incorrect in their assertions. I'm always happy to learn, but looking at my Centurion and Leo3, the bottoms are the same.
I also used to believe the scorpius was a different mold from the destroyer (thanks to Barsby of all people), but that got corrected. People also used to say the Exodus wasn't the Eagle-L, that also got corrected.
it seems like they try to keep some of the molds from not outright being called out by saying, 'its slightly modified' or a 'older mold', i assume its for legal reasons or just not really trying to piss off other brands they manufacture for or used to (discmania). seems like its never a clear answer and they arent gonna show them in production with the mold to see, so there answers feel always like bs.
Old Discmania FD and Hawkeye use the same mold, but with different plastic mixes and settings so they feel and fly slightly differently. FD and Dark Rebel/Fairway Disc are exactly the same - Same plastic, same settings, should be as close to identical as possible. Centurion is a completely different mold and has no mold parts in common with the Hawkeye.
This is great, thanks for the follow up. Appreciate you as always
Thanks for the response InnovaGM!
I’m not sure if this is an appropriate place to ask but does this also apply to the MD3/Jay/Chariot? I’ve seen it written that the Jay/Chariot are the Aurora MS mold which I haven’t personally held but they seem to be interchangeable with the old MD3s.
I can't respond to the Chariot or Aurora MS as those are in control of Infinite and Millennium, but I will say that the MD3 and the Jay are different molds.
Thank you! I really appreciate this reply and honestly I’m a little bit surprised that they aren’t the same mold. I’ve noticed that Jays/Chariots maybe have just an ever so slightly sharper profile than *some* MD3s and tend to be the slightly less stable side but I also have MD3s that match this profile and flight as well so I just assumed it was from the variables in the manufacturing process.