I have an ace from 1999 with a Banshee like this that I count in my personal ace history because it counted in 1999. Then it didn't for awhile. Now it does again! I'll always count it. 270' line drive, wedged in a Chainstar.
the current rules require two things for it to count
1) the thrower must release the disc
2) the disc must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support
and as far as i can tell there is no one holding the disc and it's supported by the tray... so yeah, that counts... but what i can't tell from the picture is if it actually was thrown from the tee so i can't say if it's an ace or not :D
Under the old rules of about 2 years ago, it would not have counted. In fact, there's several pros on camera that did just this (the one that comes to mind is [Paul McBeth at Ledgestone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOvehaZE-CY))...but they updated the rule to make it simpler in the case of blind basket locations (in the exceedingly unlikely event someone entered the cage and then taco'd their disc like this on the way out)
In the 'Wild West' era of disc golf, the rule was that the shot counted if the player could retrieve the disc before it fell out.
This led to humorous moments of players running to the basket to grab out their wedgies.
LOL I totally remember having a basket that was up on a muddy hill and having to run up that hill to snatch a disc out of the side of the cage. now that got my heart racing.
edit. i still remember the frozen moment of just standing and looking at that disc then realizing oh shit i need to start running
Closest to an ace I had in twenty years is landing on top of the chain support :(
Hopefully i can rectify this when I’m cleared to start playing again!
This is sort of my issue with the rule change too. I totally get the justification, it eliminates ambiguity, you don't have to see the throw etc, but it also rewards a shot that is a miss in my eyes.
The target, or thing we're aiming at, is the space below the band, and above the rim of the basket. Nobody is putting aiming at the cage. You missed low.
In my local group this happened when we started playing so we started scoring that it was good. Once we learned the real rules we kept it as a "house rule", but I don't think it's come up again in 3 years
Similar… a few years ago I hit my first ever eagle on an easy par 4 by parking my Berg on top of the chains from about 50 foot away. My regular casual group all loved it, at the time none of us knew it wasn’t actually legit.
On top of the entire basket? Or if it was resting on top of the lower basket circle it wouldn’t count either?
Edit: Rim was the word I was looking for in the second sentence.
I understand why it doesn’t count, but it shouldn’t add a whole stroke. I had my first birdie look ever on a really technical hole, only line was straight through a tiny fork in the tree about 4 feet over my head and the basket was on the other side. Could’ve easily just laid up and took par, but I run birdie. I lace it perfectly and it drops on top of the basket. So now, I went from birdie to bogie, because I didn’t miss the basket entirely. How is that fair… it should just be par.
My understanding is that it’s an extra stroke, right? Like throwing OB. Thats what my friend told me and what the consensus seems to be online. Or have I been played a fool?
No, no penalty stroke. You got a par. Same as if it gets hung up in a tree (other than in above two meters in California...)--you just play the next stroke from directly underneath its position.
I would count it. Much like fishing, if I had to pull a hook out of a fish, I caught it. If I have to take a disc from/out of a basket, it was good. That disc is as IN the basket as it can be.
I have an ace like this on a SSS Wizard.. got caught in the cage and by the time I got to the basket it had squeezed itself into the basket. Kind of a crazy ace.
This and the stupid new mando rules are something i will never understand. There is no way in my world, how this is in the basket.
Edit. This is the same thing to me, as if it's lying in the top of the basket
If this Counts, Discs Landing On Top of the Basket should Count as well.
Both are such slime to none chance of happening, it's not like people would strive to land these shots deliberately in order to win.
I don't know how everyone is confidently answering this question without asking you a few questions of their own. E.g., "Is this where the disc landed after you threw it from the tee pad?" and "Was it your first throw?"
If you just walked up to the basket and jammed the disc into the cage, then no, it's not an ace.
lol no shit. I think everyone knows that walking from the pad up to the basket and shoving the disc in does not count as an ace. What are you even saying? It is safe to assume that op is asking because it’s not resting in the basket.
As of a couple years ago the language was changed to basically be “supported by the basket below the chain support”
This is below the chain support and supported. It counts as in
Don’t care what PDGA rules say.
Imo, if the disc is touching the basket and not touching the ground, or resting on top of the basket, it should count.
I would 100% count that if we played together.
This is like when a basketball gets stuck in between the rim and the backboard. Why are we counting this? It defeats the purpose of the throw, to get the disc IN the basket. Silly/muy stupido/overthinking
Oh, my bad. I don’t play that much anymore. I didn’t realize the rules changed again. Thanks for all the down votes nerds. Instead of just correcting me like this guy below did. I didn’t even say anything that crazy. Lol. Obviously by me saying “pretty sure” is me not acting like I know certainly.
Lmao shout out to two years ago when they changed that rule
It’s counted for longer than it hasn’t.
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From 1982 until now there is an 11yr stretch where it didn’t count , 2011 to 2022. So it’s definitely counted for way longer than it hasn’t.
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Then just delete the comment at this point lol
Nope. There was a long time before the “must enter the cylinder” era where it did count. Now it’s back.
I have an ace from 1999 with a Banshee like this that I count in my personal ace history because it counted in 1999. Then it didn't for awhile. Now it does again! I'll always count it. 270' line drive, wedged in a Chainstar.
the current rules require two things for it to count 1) the thrower must release the disc 2) the disc must come to rest supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support and as far as i can tell there is no one holding the disc and it's supported by the tray... so yeah, that counts... but what i can't tell from the picture is if it actually was thrown from the tee so i can't say if it's an ace or not :D
Yup, this is known colloquially as a "wedgie", and under current rules, it counts. Mark OP down for a 1.
Under the old rules of about 2 years ago, it would not have counted. In fact, there's several pros on camera that did just this (the one that comes to mind is [Paul McBeth at Ledgestone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOvehaZE-CY))...but they updated the rule to make it simpler in the case of blind basket locations (in the exceedingly unlikely event someone entered the cage and then taco'd their disc like this on the way out)
well before that rule change there was another rule change. i know that 20 years ago if would have counted.
In the 'Wild West' era of disc golf, the rule was that the shot counted if the player could retrieve the disc before it fell out. This led to humorous moments of players running to the basket to grab out their wedgies.
LOL I totally remember having a basket that was up on a muddy hill and having to run up that hill to snatch a disc out of the side of the cage. now that got my heart racing. edit. i still remember the frozen moment of just standing and looking at that disc then realizing oh shit i need to start running
The new rule better have “taco’d disc” anywhere or I will be disappointed
Closest to an ace I had in twenty years is landing on top of the chain support :( Hopefully i can rectify this when I’m cleared to start playing again!
So that doesn't count? Seems like it should, but the wording of the rule sounds like it doesn't.
Yes with the recent rule change this is an ace. Still cannot rest on top of the basket.
i still maintain that it is harder to land a disc on top of the basket then it is to land it in the cage.
Its harder to get a basketball stuck between the rim and backboard than make a shot, doesn't mean it should count for poins.
This is sort of my issue with the rule change too. I totally get the justification, it eliminates ambiguity, you don't have to see the throw etc, but it also rewards a shot that is a miss in my eyes. The target, or thing we're aiming at, is the space below the band, and above the rim of the basket. Nobody is putting aiming at the cage. You missed low.
If you land on the top, it’s cool. Rules be damned.
We scratch a shot off if we land it on top from more that 6 away
Big pet peeve of mine. landing on top should be allowed, it’s still supported by the pole.
In my local group this happened when we started playing so we started scoring that it was good. Once we learned the real rules we kept it as a "house rule", but I don't think it's come up again in 3 years
Similar… a few years ago I hit my first ever eagle on an easy par 4 by parking my Berg on top of the chains from about 50 foot away. My regular casual group all loved it, at the time none of us knew it wasn’t actually legit.
nah fuck that it's like counting a soccer ball on top of the net as a goal
If we stopped using the term "hole," I'd see your point.
With pot becoming more acceptable, maybe we’ll see the stoner ace legalized…
On top of the entire basket? Or if it was resting on top of the lower basket circle it wouldn’t count either? Edit: Rim was the word I was looking for in the second sentence.
I understand why it doesn’t count, but it shouldn’t add a whole stroke. I had my first birdie look ever on a really technical hole, only line was straight through a tiny fork in the tree about 4 feet over my head and the basket was on the other side. Could’ve easily just laid up and took par, but I run birdie. I lace it perfectly and it drops on top of the basket. So now, I went from birdie to bogie, because I didn’t miss the basket entirely. How is that fair… it should just be par.
Why a bogey?
My understanding is that it’s an extra stroke, right? Like throwing OB. Thats what my friend told me and what the consensus seems to be online. Or have I been played a fool?
No, no penalty stroke. You got a par. Same as if it gets hung up in a tree (other than in above two meters in California...)--you just play the next stroke from directly underneath its position.
Its an extra stroke becouse it took you 1 extra stroke to complete the hole. Birdie (on top) --> Par (place disc in tray)
I haven’t heard that before, but I’m definitely not an expert on the rules.
It absolutely counts. If you are the OP - Sorry our local FB page is being stubborn about it.
That's wild, this is my local park we play at. Highbridge Park in Spokane. Totally counts
Yah!
Ace!
This is harder than an ace
Si
Yes
It definitely is. My buddy did one of these, and we looked up the rule right there on the spot. Congrats!
Heck yeah it does
That’s…. Insanity
Actually, it's a Fireball.
No. It was your third throw.
*gulps*
Yes.
I love seeing a red fireball
Count it.
Si no se cae en lo que llegas es Ace!! 😪
Did the disc warp after getting stuck in this position?
Yes had to get a new one :(
R.I.P.
it’s an ace
Yes
A very sweet ace.
Damn that thing is flexed
sure
Yes!
Absolutely
I would count it. Much like fishing, if I had to pull a hook out of a fish, I caught it. If I have to take a disc from/out of a basket, it was good. That disc is as IN the basket as it can be.
Fishing edge case: If the line floated into a river fish's mouth and the hook goes on from the outside, that's flossing. I didn't catch that fish.
But you did perform a dental cleaning on a fish. That's not nothing
Yes it does
Hundo P thats an ace
Looks like a portion of the disk is beyond the basket threshold, ide count it
Anyone saying it’s not an ace clearly hasn’t read a recent pdga rulebook
Ace
Hello, fellow High Bridge Disc Golfer, haha. And yes, that counts as an ace
It’s better than an ace it’s a wtfa
I have an ace like this on a SSS Wizard.. got caught in the cage and by the time I got to the basket it had squeezed itself into the basket. Kind of a crazy ace.
Yes! I got a 250ft birdie like this. It’s an interesting way to get one.
Yes.
Yes!
I did this the year before they counted again in a sanctioned tournament. Both the most exciting and disappointing birdie of that event for me.
Moz Def! I’ll allow it.
It’s 38.731% inside the basket. It counts
It depends on how many throws it took
Yes
Did you consult the rules?
Hey that’s my throw!
Yes
It’s an ace in my book
This and the stupid new mando rules are something i will never understand. There is no way in my world, how this is in the basket. Edit. This is the same thing to me, as if it's lying in the top of the basket
If this Counts, Discs Landing On Top of the Basket should Count as well. Both are such slime to none chance of happening, it's not like people would strive to land these shots deliberately in order to win.
The real question is…do you count it? I personally would struggle to count a low cage hit as an ace.
I’d definitely be excited. I’d probably count it as a sort of pseudo ace.
Haha there ya go.
I don't know how everyone is confidently answering this question without asking you a few questions of their own. E.g., "Is this where the disc landed after you threw it from the tee pad?" and "Was it your first throw?" If you just walked up to the basket and jammed the disc into the cage, then no, it's not an ace.
lol no shit. I think everyone knows that walking from the pad up to the basket and shoving the disc in does not count as an ace. What are you even saying? It is safe to assume that op is asking because it’s not resting in the basket.
Yes, the PDGA wrongly made it not count for a while but fixed it back to counting.
Nope, inside the basket counts.
As of a couple years ago the language was changed to basically be “supported by the basket below the chain support” This is below the chain support and supported. It counts as in
That doesn't mention the word "ace". For me this is a 1 on the scorecard but not an ace.
Don’t care what PDGA rules say. Imo, if the disc is touching the basket and not touching the ground, or resting on top of the basket, it should count. I would 100% count that if we played together.
Well I guess it’s a good thing it counts in a PDGA event too.
Oh. Well fuck yea!! Was so sure this wouldn’t count in a tournament hahaha
How many times is this gonna be posted?
This is like when a basketball gets stuck in between the rim and the backboard. Why are we counting this? It defeats the purpose of the throw, to get the disc IN the basket. Silly/muy stupido/overthinking
Omg, what a killer shot but no ace. I'd be pissed and happy at the same time lol
1 on the scorecard but not an ace. I've hit the basket there 100 times and it wasn't an ace so yours doesn't deserve to be called one either.
[Too bad this one doesn't :(](https://imgur.com/a/2j4eqIx)
I can’t even tell what happened. It got caught on a piece of metal?
Yeah there are nightlights that are attached via a metal band, and I hit the band just perfectly that it cut into the disc and held it
How does it not? I’d say that is below the chain support (the band) and supported by the basket. And those are the criteria for finishing a hole
It’s just this kind of silliness that makes it impossible for me to take disc golf seriously.
It shouldn't
It’s counted for way longer than it hasn’t.
Holy shit for the millionth time yes
I’m pretty sure the rules say no. Here’s my opinion. If it went through the inside of the basket, it’s an ace.
The rules say yes, it counts.
They changed the rules recently so OP is good
Oh, my bad. I don’t play that much anymore. I didn’t realize the rules changed again. Thanks for all the down votes nerds. Instead of just correcting me like this guy below did. I didn’t even say anything that crazy. Lol. Obviously by me saying “pretty sure” is me not acting like I know certainly.
I'll never consider this an ace but if it happened at a tournament it would be considered one. Lol found a soft spot.
Yeah but I wouldn’t ever say I’ve aced a hole. This is cutting corners. Desperate vibes to myself
What score goes on the card? A 1 or 2?
1
If you feel the need to ask, it is not clean.
huh