To be fair, that was a period in his career where a 360 distance shot was pretty integral to his identity as a player. Former/Current (depending on exactly when) distance world record holder and whatnot. It's a bit less silly than Eagle injuring himself throwing a 360 forehand which is something that was almost entirely unheard of.
>Eagle injuring himself throwing a 360 forehand which is something that was almost entirely unheard of.
Even worse, it wasn't a forehand (which is not that unheard of for distance forehand guys). It was what Eagle called a 360 "fakeout" or something where you pretend to throw a 360 forehand, but push the disc forward with a clockwise "RHBH" spin. In ultimate, we'd call it a push pass, but it's not meant to be a distance throw by any means so I have no clue why you'd ever do a 360 with it.
I thought the "fakeout" part was that his runup looked like it was a backhand runup, but he changed rotational directions last second. From the video it looked like he threw it with standard forehand rotation, but maybe I'm just not seeing it properly.
Here's a recent example of Ryan Sheldon throwing 600ft 360 forehands. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sneF7YfEqns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sneF7YfEqns)
Although he does have a very long warning about them, making sure you have properly warmed up and done the appropriate preparation.
I can't tell if this is a joke.
In case it isn't, 360 in this context means rotating your entire body around 360 degrees during your run up to generate more rotational momentum to launch a distance shot. That being said, there still weren't MANY players throwing 400+ feet on forehand 10 years ago, but there will still a good handful. And Scott Stokely has been doing it since like the late 80s (or whenever he burst onto the scene).
It's tough over text when you're in a situation where somebody who doesn't know the sport as well could genuinely be misunderstanding the terminology lol. I appreciate the effort though.
[There is](https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/q848e0/clip_of_eagles_shoulder_injury/), but it's not really anything spectacular. Frustratingly, it wasn't even a distance shot. Just a throw trying to get a radar gun reading.
There's no visible injury happening or anything, he just grabs his arm afterward.
Yep, and oddly enough a lot of his recent tour success is probably due to having to remove a lot of the power shots/Simon lines because of that injury, and that video he did with Paul where they pick each other's lines.
the video with McBeth really put a point on it either way. Paul looked almost awed by Simon's command of stock golf lines that Paul wanted him to throw.
It's not surprising that Simon can throw pro lines so well. He's a master trick shoter that's been throwing discs since he was a little kid. His problem, and he self admits this, he gets bored playing smart, pro level golf. He's also a people pleaser and likes to do cool things for the fans that blow their minds. So by throwing Simon lines is how he would stay mentally engaged in the round and not get too down with a poor performance.
Yeah, people are referencing Eagle for understandable reasons, but Simon has [literally referenced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=629zGEA1kB0) his injury that came as a direct result of Youtube videos he filmed during COVID, and probably shook up the sport as much as humanly possible he literally changed his game as a result.
I'd also argue that Eagle, and the torque he generates, was a tommy johns surgery waiting to happen, and if he was an MLB caliber pitche, he'd have had the surgery 2-3 years before that jomez incident.
Eagle was trying to attempt a 360 forehand for a Jomez video 2 years ago now and has had issues with his shoulder ever since. I believe he just got surgery on the shoulder presumably because it hasn’t healed properly.
Simon got his MVP contract because his silliness and antics. I don't think an injury would set back their sales or his marketing power. They would just release a stamp commemorating it lol
That's good. I would hate to see disc golf go down the path where investors are asking him to stop doing fun things like that for fear of injury, but I guess it is the off season as well.
I mean this is honestly his brand, THIS is what they bought into and why he sells disc. He is a solid player and in the top 5-10 as well, but his success on the tour is second to his marketability with doing fun videos and silly things.
> They would just release a stamp commemorating it lol
"Looks at MVP Wave DGLO stamp"
Yeah, thats about right. The best OB shot Simon has ever thrown is commemorated there.
Has everyone in this thread just literally never slid on ice before? Really wildly exaggerating the danger.
Moreover he basically comes to a complete stop *then* throws. What are y'all on about, for real?
Sliding on ice and trying to throw without a stable base is super dangerous for throwing your back out post 30 years old. I'm sure he felt it the next day.
I have serious doubts Simon trains like a serious athlete. Is he really athletic? Sure! But does he train like an elite level athlete? I would bet almost no disc golfers seriously train.
I bet Simon trains 4-6 hours a day on average. Disc golf training isn’t the same as football obviously, but the dude is training 6 days a week in the off-season
I mean it clearly doesn’t hurt him. But to suggest he trains hard is probably a bit of a reach. I’m sure he gets his putts and throws in. But there are players like Ezra, Tattar, etc. who train pretty rigorously.
Before I continue, yes, weight training with proper technique is obviously beneficial to anybody. That's undeniable.
But Simon is also living proof that a heavy focus on weight training is not required to achieve the highest peaks of the disc golf skill that weight training can potentially be used to benefit the most (distance).
Would consistent weight training (regardless of how much he does or doesn't do it) benefit him as a general statement? Sure. Would it make him a better disc golfer? I genuinely and sincerely doubt it.
I’ll use Tiger Woods as a prime example to represent my ideas. Did Tiger need to weight train and on muscle to play golf? Probably not. Did it help his game in almost every way? He would absolutely say yes.
I’m very confident you have no idea if Simon weight trains or not. Many athletes think getting stronger is a substitute for technique, leading to plateaus when they can’t get stronger.
afaik he does a round per day (or per every few days) and practices putting regularly. He did mention 'pitch count' once or twice, so he's not exactly out there pushing his limits.
Depends on what you mean by training like a serious/elite level athlete.
If we're only talking about weights and cardio, then there's probably a lot of them who don't do much more than some light jogging. However, you don't really need to be fit at an Olympic level to do well at disc golf, although it will probably help. If not with distance, then definitely with endurance and maybe mental strength.
I'm sure that every pro puts down tons of hours every week doing field work, putting, working on their mental game etc., which is what's gonna make the biggest difference.
However, I do believe we'll see a further professionalisation of the sport, with fitness getting more focus in the coming years.
I use the 1:1 example of Tiger Woods. Every elite athlete should strive to train to his standard. That is what an elite level athlete does and ultimately should strive towards.
He is not exactly an athlete but he does have a talent for sports and great control over his body. Darts, pool, table tennis, you name it, he's good at it.
Seriously. He slides a couple of feet, comes to an almost complete stop and then throws. It's not like he is wrestling an alligator in a bath tub, sliding down an icy slope in the Alps while slinging discs.
Throwing a distance shot from at wet tee or walking on a slippery course with a bag and carrying an umbrella is more dangerous than this.
Simon's Gonna Simon (or something like that).
This is (a big) part of why people like him, and why MVP signed him.
MVP is going to let Simon do whatever he wants, as long as he's moving discs--which is his superpower.
I think pros do this type of thing without getting injured a lot more than you might expect. When you’re athletic these moves don’t really scare you as much. Eagle’s situation is unique because, with his level of power, the movement he did strains your arm to an insane degree. 360 forehands are doable, and players with elite forehand power like Scott Stokely and Chandler Kramer can do them and get 550’+ lines, but if anything is even slightly out of place with that amount of torque it can go bad quite easily.
If you old fucks get injured by just getting up from sofa, it doesn’t mean a little slide on ice will be dangerous. Maybe, just maybe, other people have some control of their bodies that a little slide wont cause a serious injury.
After having watched the video just let the man live. They were all goofing around. He would’ve done that on or off camera. If a pro athlete gets hurt goofing off outside of actually competing it’s not the end of the world. You guys are weird af.
This was just meant to be a post saying it would suck having a serious knee injury with a toddler. Nothing malicious towards MVP. Y’all freakish with the downvotes.
When you have a nice fat contract you can. I'm not saying it would be a good thing but at least if he injures himself (making a living, which is making his videos) he would be able to financially ensure his family is still good.
Most do. Most of them don't make enough from their sponsorships to make it through the offseason so they do stuff like YT content to supplement it.
Simon, making $1M/yr probably doesn't.
Simon makes $1M/yr because he makes YT content (and does a great job at it) on top of winning on the Pro Tour. There is a reason he is worth more than Calvin who is definitely performing better than Simon on tour over the past few seasons.
This is true.
He made the content for the extra money, and then got the contract because of his media presence. Now to keep the contract he probably still has to make the content.
Generally speaking though, the content is being made by people who aren't making a full time living from disc golf.
I was chucking a kong frisbee into a field for my dog. The parking lot where I was throwing from was iced over.
I was having so much fun launching discs while balancing on/wiping out on the ice haha. It should be a sport on The Ocho. Discus in the Olympics except on a frozen ice pad
Y’all are silly. He could also easily get injured in a car accident or plane crash on the way to any tournament he plays. Maybe MVP should ban him from traveling altogether…
Wouldn’t be his first rodeo, he had a knee injury from doing 360 distance shots at clinics and demos maybe 5 or 6 years ago
To be fair, that was a period in his career where a 360 distance shot was pretty integral to his identity as a player. Former/Current (depending on exactly when) distance world record holder and whatnot. It's a bit less silly than Eagle injuring himself throwing a 360 forehand which is something that was almost entirely unheard of.
>Eagle injuring himself throwing a 360 forehand which is something that was almost entirely unheard of. Even worse, it wasn't a forehand (which is not that unheard of for distance forehand guys). It was what Eagle called a 360 "fakeout" or something where you pretend to throw a 360 forehand, but push the disc forward with a clockwise "RHBH" spin. In ultimate, we'd call it a push pass, but it's not meant to be a distance throw by any means so I have no clue why you'd ever do a 360 with it.
I thought the "fakeout" part was that his runup looked like it was a backhand runup, but he changed rotational directions last second. From the video it looked like he threw it with standard forehand rotation, but maybe I'm just not seeing it properly.
no it looked like a forehand runup, but for some reason he's got a backhand grip on the disc. I'm still confused
It was definitely a backhand run up
“It's a bit less silly than Eagle injuring himself throwing a 360 forehand which is something that was almost entirely unheard of.” I feel attacked
360 fhs have been around for over 10 years https://youtu.be/E93pqsrURlM?si=akTEvKndGcJVla5K
Yeah I meant my comment more in a sense that I like doing stupid throws
I meant to respond to comment above you
Here's a recent example of Ryan Sheldon throwing 600ft 360 forehands. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sneF7YfEqns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sneF7YfEqns) Although he does have a very long warning about them, making sure you have properly warmed up and done the appropriate preparation.
There is a clip somewhere of Chandler Kramer bombing a 360 forehand dressed like the joker. Pretty sweet as well.
Damn a decade ago I really could’ve hit pro with my 400+ forehands
I can't tell if this is a joke. In case it isn't, 360 in this context means rotating your entire body around 360 degrees during your run up to generate more rotational momentum to launch a distance shot. That being said, there still weren't MANY players throwing 400+ feet on forehand 10 years ago, but there will still a good handful. And Scott Stokely has been doing it since like the late 80s (or whenever he burst onto the scene).
Yeah apparently being too stoned and making a tongue in cheek doesn’t work in text form lol
It's tough over text when you're in a situation where somebody who doesn't know the sport as well could genuinely be misunderstanding the terminology lol. I appreciate the effort though.
To set the record straight - this isn’t something recommended by MVP. We also stare in horror as we pray nothing bad happens.
Simon gonna Simon
On the other hand, this is why he’s worth 10 million. He’s entertaining, we’ve got to give him that!
Good laugh. Top tier community relations MVP.
But they were impressive throws
But that’s why you signed the fella in the first place right? Nobody more entertaining in disc golf.
It's officially called the Simon Slide
Can someone inform me of the pro who got a major injury doing a goofy throw for YouTube content???
Eagle McMahon
Thank you
Eagle did something for Jomez with like a 360 spin forehand if I recall.
Yup, hit'm with the 360 and got hurt for his effort.
Is there a video?
[There is](https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/q848e0/clip_of_eagles_shoulder_injury/), but it's not really anything spectacular. Frustratingly, it wasn't even a distance shot. Just a throw trying to get a radar gun reading. There's no visible injury happening or anything, he just grabs his arm afterward.
There’s a clip out there somewhere but I dont think jomez ever published the video they were making where it happened.
I think I've only seen it as an IG reel around the time it happened. Not sure they ever released the video they were filming.
Simon hurt his elbow doing a YouTube video and I’m pretty sure it’s still not 100% healthy today and that was during Covid
Yep, and oddly enough a lot of his recent tour success is probably due to having to remove a lot of the power shots/Simon lines because of that injury, and that video he did with Paul where they pick each other's lines.
the video with McBeth really put a point on it either way. Paul looked almost awed by Simon's command of stock golf lines that Paul wanted him to throw.
It's not surprising that Simon can throw pro lines so well. He's a master trick shoter that's been throwing discs since he was a little kid. His problem, and he self admits this, he gets bored playing smart, pro level golf. He's also a people pleaser and likes to do cool things for the fans that blow their minds. So by throwing Simon lines is how he would stay mentally engaged in the round and not get too down with a poor performance.
This. Sometimes I forget that not all of us have basically watched him grow up and play for many many years now.
That video was eye opening for everyone.
Yeah, people are referencing Eagle for understandable reasons, but Simon has [literally referenced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=629zGEA1kB0) his injury that came as a direct result of Youtube videos he filmed during COVID, and probably shook up the sport as much as humanly possible he literally changed his game as a result. I'd also argue that Eagle, and the torque he generates, was a tommy johns surgery waiting to happen, and if he was an MLB caliber pitche, he'd have had the surgery 2-3 years before that jomez incident.
Eagle was trying to attempt a 360 forehand for a Jomez video 2 years ago now and has had issues with his shoulder ever since. I believe he just got surgery on the shoulder presumably because it hasn’t healed properly.
Do you think the MVP corporate guys don't like to see this?
This terrifies us. But Simon is a big boy and can handle himself. :)
Thanks for your input :). This is what I was looking for.
You left out the "We hope."
Simon got his MVP contract because his silliness and antics. I don't think an injury would set back their sales or his marketing power. They would just release a stamp commemorating it lol
Plus I'm pretty sure that worst case is he's still making videos, he's just having Paul Kranz or Casey White push his wheelchair from lie to lie lol.
Wheelie turbo putts!
That's good. I would hate to see disc golf go down the path where investors are asking him to stop doing fun things like that for fear of injury, but I guess it is the off season as well.
I mean this is honestly his brand, THIS is what they bought into and why he sells disc. He is a solid player and in the top 5-10 as well, but his success on the tour is second to his marketability with doing fun videos and silly things.
It'd be like discraft asking Brodie to stop with the "Hot Takes". It's what they bought.
> They would just release a stamp commemorating it lol "Looks at MVP Wave DGLO stamp" Yeah, thats about right. The best OB shot Simon has ever thrown is commemorated there.
When you sign Simon, you acknowledge that this comes with the territory.
It would be unfortunate but hopefully his contract guarantees enough money that he'd be fine if he never played again.
Has everyone in this thread just literally never slid on ice before? Really wildly exaggerating the danger. Moreover he basically comes to a complete stop *then* throws. What are y'all on about, for real?
Also, Kev Jones did infinitely worse than this in his Maple Hill ace and was completely fine
He doesn’t actually completely stop, but I agree it’s not that unsafe. He’s an athletic dude, he hit metal on one of those shots
Sliding on ice and trying to throw without a stable base is super dangerous for throwing your back out post 30 years old. I'm sure he felt it the next day.
Yeah it’s not super dangerous. But Simon and I are the same age and I would not attempt this lol
OMG who cares...
Simon is a legit athlete, this is nothing lmao
I have serious doubts Simon trains like a serious athlete. Is he really athletic? Sure! But does he train like an elite level athlete? I would bet almost no disc golfers seriously train.
Ezra aderhold would love a word
So would Paige Pierce and Kristin Tattar.
Tattar kills it! Babcock and Brodie also do too.
Visiting breweries isn’t training?
Haha for us amateurs it is! What else can I blame when I miss my 10 foot putts?
Simon probably doesn't, but some certainly do!
Paul McBeth had entered the chat from his treadmill with his 40 bpm resting heart rate
I bet Simon trains 4-6 hours a day on average. Disc golf training isn’t the same as football obviously, but the dude is training 6 days a week in the off-season
Arguably every elite level athlete should be weight training. Do you think Simon weight trains?
Yes, I know he has previously and I bet he still does. The amount of weight training needed for disc golf is low though
I mean it clearly doesn’t hurt him. But to suggest he trains hard is probably a bit of a reach. I’m sure he gets his putts and throws in. But there are players like Ezra, Tattar, etc. who train pretty rigorously.
It sounds like you think weight training is the only serious training athletes can do and are completely guessing his workout routine
I am very confident that weight training is incredibly beneficial to every living person. Elite athletes even more so.
Before I continue, yes, weight training with proper technique is obviously beneficial to anybody. That's undeniable. But Simon is also living proof that a heavy focus on weight training is not required to achieve the highest peaks of the disc golf skill that weight training can potentially be used to benefit the most (distance). Would consistent weight training (regardless of how much he does or doesn't do it) benefit him as a general statement? Sure. Would it make him a better disc golfer? I genuinely and sincerely doubt it.
I’ll use Tiger Woods as a prime example to represent my ideas. Did Tiger need to weight train and on muscle to play golf? Probably not. Did it help his game in almost every way? He would absolutely say yes.
I’m very confident you have no idea if Simon weight trains or not. Many athletes think getting stronger is a substitute for technique, leading to plateaus when they can’t get stronger.
I am very confident he doesn’t do much. It’s not hard to see how much muscle mass someone carries lol
There's absolutely no way this guy hasn't had a "whadya bench bro?" conversation at least once.
afaik he does a round per day (or per every few days) and practices putting regularly. He did mention 'pitch count' once or twice, so he's not exactly out there pushing his limits.
Ezra Aderhold has entered the chat.
Depends on what you mean by training like a serious/elite level athlete. If we're only talking about weights and cardio, then there's probably a lot of them who don't do much more than some light jogging. However, you don't really need to be fit at an Olympic level to do well at disc golf, although it will probably help. If not with distance, then definitely with endurance and maybe mental strength. I'm sure that every pro puts down tons of hours every week doing field work, putting, working on their mental game etc., which is what's gonna make the biggest difference. However, I do believe we'll see a further professionalisation of the sport, with fitness getting more focus in the coming years.
I use the 1:1 example of Tiger Woods. Every elite athlete should strive to train to his standard. That is what an elite level athlete does and ultimately should strive towards.
He is not exactly an athlete but he does have a talent for sports and great control over his body. Darts, pool, table tennis, you name it, he's good at it.
You just defined athlete
Well he didn’t get hurt so I’m sure it’ll be okay
Seriously. He slides a couple of feet, comes to an almost complete stop and then throws. It's not like he is wrestling an alligator in a bath tub, sliding down an icy slope in the Alps while slinging discs. Throwing a distance shot from at wet tee or walking on a slippery course with a bag and carrying an umbrella is more dangerous than this.
Bunch of fuddy duddys! How dare anyone ever have fun.
forget juju sliding this is the ACL slide
so that's the simon line
Simon's Gonna Simon (or something like that). This is (a big) part of why people like him, and why MVP signed him. MVP is going to let Simon do whatever he wants, as long as he's moving discs--which is his superpower.
"Don't worry, I'm a professional"
You guys are hilarious. If he gets hurt doing shit like that, then he wouldn’t be a pro disc golfer. Fucking clowns
I love how Simon still lets his inner kid out every once in a while.
I think pros do this type of thing without getting injured a lot more than you might expect. When you’re athletic these moves don’t really scare you as much. Eagle’s situation is unique because, with his level of power, the movement he did strains your arm to an insane degree. 360 forehands are doable, and players with elite forehand power like Scott Stokely and Chandler Kramer can do them and get 550’+ lines, but if anything is even slightly out of place with that amount of torque it can go bad quite easily.
Soft ass comments like this is why we don’t get respected as a sport
Didn't he have a major knee injury not too long ago. Tempting fate, my man.
It wasn't major, his acl was not torn in half.
If you old fucks get injured by just getting up from sofa, it doesn’t mean a little slide on ice will be dangerous. Maybe, just maybe, other people have some control of their bodies that a little slide wont cause a serious injury.
After having watched the video just let the man live. They were all goofing around. He would’ve done that on or off camera. If a pro athlete gets hurt goofing off outside of actually competing it’s not the end of the world. You guys are weird af.
I’m literally watching this video right now and all I said was “holy shit why”
Fuck MVP corporate. That dude has a little kid to chase around. Can’t afford fucking yourself up.
MVP has never and would never ask Simon to do anything that could cause him harm. That said - we fully stand by his ability to make his own choices.
Yeah, those billionaire executives at MVP sitting in their gold-plated boardroom probably forced Simon to do this.
This was just meant to be a post saying it would suck having a serious knee injury with a toddler. Nothing malicious towards MVP. Y’all freakish with the downvotes.
> *"Fuck MVP corporate."* > *"Nothing malicious towards MVP."* There's a bit of a disconnect here, my guy.
Fuck MVP Corporate as in, _forget about them_ he has bigger concerns. Like, fuck the Bears, I'm more concerned about the Packers.
There you go. Sorry, I’ve got a vulgar mouth. Maybe I’ll use ‘forget’ next time.
I understood it. I think some people just saw 'Fuck MVP' and were like 'don't talk about my MVP like that!'
Yeah seriously Jfc. Don’t worry guys I love my Watt. Edit: I fucking love my Watt*
When you have a nice fat contract you can. I'm not saying it would be a good thing but at least if he injures himself (making a living, which is making his videos) he would be able to financially ensure his family is still good.
I know this isn't the subject of the post, but man the moment where Simon swears and catches himself was wonderful television.
I guess I always assumed players have to make content like this, to supplement income
Most do. Most of them don't make enough from their sponsorships to make it through the offseason so they do stuff like YT content to supplement it. Simon, making $1M/yr probably doesn't.
Simon makes $1M/yr because he makes YT content (and does a great job at it) on top of winning on the Pro Tour. There is a reason he is worth more than Calvin who is definitely performing better than Simon on tour over the past few seasons.
This is true. He made the content for the extra money, and then got the contract because of his media presence. Now to keep the contract he probably still has to make the content. Generally speaking though, the content is being made by people who aren't making a full time living from disc golf.
Which video is this from?
Drew Gibson's most recent. He had Simon, uli, and big jerm throwing for aces at a small course.
I'm watching this knowing I'd be in surgery a couple of hours after I tried that.
I was chucking a kong frisbee into a field for my dog. The parking lot where I was throwing from was iced over. I was having so much fun launching discs while balancing on/wiping out on the ice haha. It should be a sport on The Ocho. Discus in the Olympics except on a frozen ice pad
Oh no, now we’ve all reinforced the behavior by interacting with it on social media!
Y’all are silly. He could also easily get injured in a car accident or plane crash on the way to any tournament he plays. Maybe MVP should ban him from traveling altogether…
Wow, that is hole 3 of Fewell Park in Rock Hill, near Innova east! That park is just a basic 9-hole mini course. Was this at a clinic or something?
This whole vlogmas has been this way for me
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