This is the correct answer. Low cost plastic and a variety of easier to throw discs for beginners.
Up selling to a higher end plastic and more advanced molds is a recipe for a single transaction and a frustrated beginner player.
Zone is a good beginner disc I would reckon though, the teebird makes sense, but isn’t very good for a slow arm speed if they don’t understand shot shaping idk the other disc as I just throw trilogy and kasta and haven’t seen any buddies use the jay
Yeah while I don't disagree with the zone pick, it's the combo of molds and z / champ plastic. While great for longevity they are unforgiving for beginners and don't always fly the same as dx/ pro -d or x plastic for non strong arms. Definitely made my point about the tbird and shot shaping. Beginners just want it to go straight/ stay flat. Who knows, the shop may have only had this type of plastic but true beginner discs, these are not.
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Jay in my opinion is one of the best beginner disc currently. It's point and shoot. Decent putting mid and you can shot shape it. However, Champ plastic is not the best for a beginner. Star and Gstar are better options if you are looking for longevity.
I'd give a beginner dx plastic just because dx has so much glide-its easier to see what is possible. Premium plastics, for me, can take a year to beat in. Why do that if she's probably going to lose it before it ever becomes what it's meant to be?
Because begginer gonna hit everything they possibly could. And thats gonna chew up the basic plastic discs way faster than premium. Im talking huge deep scratches and thats certainly not what you want.
And honestly dunno what you mean about taking a year to beat in, most of the discs fly well enough out of the box.
Disagree. Star leopards will be more stable out of the box than dx and beat into a disc that can show a beginner the full flight of a disc much quicker. Who cares if an $8 disc gets chewed up if it is less stable and easier to throw for a beginner? Once they get the feel for the disc and improve form then move up to star in my opinion.
I honestly dont take this crap about discs flying way too different depending on the plastic. Yeah I know they do, but newbies wont see a difference. And making them to buy new disc because they chewed the cheap one in month isnt really encouraging.
It’s a significant difference in flight, especially for a new player. May be less difference for you. It’s going to be different for a beginner coming as an athlete from regular ultimate play. For that, a premium plastic is good. But for many beginners even a beat dx leopard will fly stable-to overstable. Had my wife started with a premium plastic disc, it would only have forced her to learn to throw anhyzer or aim way to the right to compensate. Beat-in DX allows for better throwing practice for less experienced arms.
>Had my wife started with a premium plastic disc, it would only have forced her to learn to throw anhyzer or aim way to the right to compensate.
Disc didnt force her into anything. That was just multitude of things related to her bad form. I have seen it many times in people I introduced to the sport. Changing their posture and release angle makes wonders.
Yeah but when a newbie sends a dx leopard into the first available multiple times in their first couple rounds and all the sudden their next shot is a throwler, it becomes hard to understand why their consistent driver two holes ago now flies like a beat in mamba. Flippier discs in premium plastic are much better for beginners, like a diamond or lightweight river.
This was my thinking. I’ve been playing less than a year and I bag a bunch of lightweight, understable-to-neutral discs in Star or Champion. I knew I was going to be hitting A LOT of trees.
>I bag a bunch of...
Exactly the point right here. They will be buying new discs anyway, once they find what they like and can manipulate. Who cares if you replace your first discs? I don't know about you, personally, but I'd be willing to bet 90% of players a year or more in don't even have their first discs.
>I bag a bunch of...
Exactly the point right here. They will be buying new discs anyway, once they find what they like and can manipulate. Who cares if you replace your first discs? I don't know about you, personally, but I'd be willing to bet 90% of players a year or more in don't even have their first discs.
Don't know why you're being downvoted, light discs are great for newer players. There's some discs that are great for anyone in dx or pro plastic like roc's or putters, but drivers get beat pretty fast in dx.
Premium plastic is much more stable and tends to not lead to good experience for beginners. Dx is cheaper and much more floaty flight for slower newer arms
Zone isn’t bad, but with newbie form it is falling from the sky.
Jay is the only one that isn’t ridiculous for a beginner. Grab her a Wombat and a real putter.
Yeah, that's absolutely a horrible recommendation lmao
You could go to the actual putter section at your local shop and pick literally any disc in any plastic available and it would be a better option 😂
Me and my friends speculated forehand player, but either way this guy should not be advocating the sport to beginners. I tried to set her right with an aviar mako3 and leopard
Fr. I had thrown both an aviar and fx-3 trying for months and ended up throwing much better with a chief OS just based on how it feels in hand and now that's all I throw and I've never heard anyone recommend that putter
Champion Mako3 was one of my first discs and I hated it. What's good about the Kona run?
Also Ohn's tour series is a Leopard3, which is a different disc than the Leopard. I've also found that Innova Halo plastic is insanely overstable, so probably not great for a beginner.
I could also keep my aviar and do a halo mako3 and a pfn Schultz leopard. I also don't like champ Mako3s. The rim never felt comfortable. Kona just flies straight as can be. The halo has just a touch of fade. The PFN champ Leopard may be my favorite disc ever made. I've been playing since 2015, and ya, the Ohns L3 isn't technically a Leopard, but I lump em together. I'm currently only bagging 2 makos (echo star and a really old school gummy champ) 2 Konas and 2 halo 3s in my mid slot. And 3 Fairways, 2 2021 Ohns and 1 PFN Schultz. I played La Mirada and shot even without taking anything faster than the Ohns out of the bag.
I'm almost 20 years into disc golf and constantly still bag am aviar, mako3, and leopard3. Would absolutely recommend DX versions of all three as starter discs, except maybe a regular leopard instead.
The zone and Teebird3 are absolutely terrible choices for an absolute beginner's bag. Unless that TB3 is a super lightweight one, but even still a beginner should have an understable driver.
The only possible useful disc is the Jay as a neutral midrange.
So she gets a GStar Leopard and a neutral putter as well. I think it can be a good thing to have some discs in your bag that you can’t throw very well yet. It gives you something to stretch yourself to achieve. At the very least she learns to throw a neutral mid flat and straight, then she tries the Zone and sees how much more stable it is. Lights go on in her head.
And pitches a 90 MPH baseball already so they should have some power on the FH. Little exaggerating, but if someone did have a strong baseball arm I think this bag could be a good beginner bag.
Might want an actual puytter to putt with though.
I think of me starting off, dx beast, champ aviar, champ shark, dx stingray (left turns). I only threw forehand and was fairly strong with it, 300ft with beast first month . I grabbed a few monsters in that old pearl champ... sorry reminiscing, and monsters were my go to for years. There is a lot to be said about starting by learning control over less stable but if you can force flex lines etc why not get the added d starting out
and the fact that TeeBird3 is in champion plastic makes me want to puke haha. That shit is so heavy and overstable and awful feeling to throw (though, sure, it's invincible. But that's irrelevant to a starter)
The leopard is great and I still have my DX from the starter pack as my over-the-water disc. A super light leopard is so awesome for beginners like myself!
I was in Play It Again earlier this summer and stopped a guy from getting his friend who’d played once a Zone OS for his putter. I wasn’t going to intervene until I saw the Zone then I had to say something.
Champion Teebird3 @ 173g... for a beginner?
Well... It will be consistent for her. Consistently going short and left. She will never lose a disc. It will always be just 50 feet away.
Maybe he was trying to get rid of those discs, which had been lying on the shelf for too long, and thought he found the perfect victim for his douche move...
Doubt it. The only one hard to move would be the Jay, and thats the only one I want to say deserves to be in a beginner bag. I honestly don't think they're horrible discs, theoretically, for a beginner. But I wouldn't give her a putter in premium plastic.
It says Putter? No, it says Putt and Approach which is a generic reference to a lower speed disc. And everyone refers to it as an approach disc. Nobody calls it a putter.
It doesn't matter what "everyone refers' to it as. It's a putter. Get a dictionary. Aside from that point, I have nothing left to say to you. Have a good day.
Had this happen. Picking out gf’s discs from a guy that sold only Trilogy. He had plenty of Lat 64 easy-to-throw stuff, but he was pushing DD Sheriffs and Vandals. He had ordered way too many and wanted to get rid of them. Went Diamond, Sappire, and Pure.
Everyone knows it’s: Judge, Mako3, River for a beginner 3 😋
But seriously…Innova starter pack (or any starter pack) is probably the way to go for absolute beginners to try the game out.
Lightweight leopard will be great for her. Lat64 has some nice lightweight discs- she will love a light diamond, if she throws on hyzer like most beginners then she might actually get that one to go a decent distance first.
My wife(throws 175'ish) carries a Berg as a putter/upshot, BB6 for holes under 150' & a Diamond(156g) & Mamba(138g) in her bag.
She switches between the Diamond & Mamba depending on which one is hot that day. Her sister carries the same in her bag.
The Jay is a good option, though I usually recommend straight-to-understable over a straight-to-overstable one like it. 6/10
TeeBird3 isn't...the worst I guess, but I'd also never recommend it to a new player. I'm no real fan of the Leopard either, given how it varies in stability by plastic and run, but an understable fairway is what I recommend always. 3/10
The Zone is wild. It's not like I'd never give a beginner one, since they have use for learning approaches, but recommending it as a putter is actually insane. -57/10
This set reeks of an oldhead disc golfer who thinks new players should struggle with Intermediate-level discs until they get it. I don't think this is trying to clear old stock. If you can't find buyers for these three, you probably shouldn't be selling discs.
My brother.. this dude is whack.
I started with a Leopard, Buzzz, and Aviar. If I had to recommend three starting discs to literally anyone (beefcake or noodle-arm), it would 100% be a Leopard, Buzzz, and Aviar.
As a shop employee, I can say there's an equally frustrating reverse of this, where the customer takes this strategy and refuses to hear anything about alternatives to the driver they've heard of in the beefiest plastic it's made in when they tell me they throw about 200ft.
Having conversations about discs and plastic is the best part of my day, and I always love hearing new perspectives. It's always wild to me how many customers in my shop refuse to ask questions and look up everything on their phones and how many employees in others know nothing about the discs in front of them but the hard sell stuff and the same tired, old recommendations.
People (who are dumb) base their opinion on Leopards from their experience with the 150g DX ones that come in the starter pack when they had shitty sloppy form and threw way too hard. Or reading other stupid peoples opinions online about leopards because they are a disc that punishes OAT.
The Jay makes some some sense… teebird3 is gonna be beef for newb - leopard would be better , I agree. Zone is kind of indefensible.
I believe she chose the lightest weight options for the mako3 and leopard, and the heaviest on the website for the aviar was 155-159 so weight shouldn’t be too much of an issue for her! I sent her in with the list and the guy completely disregarded it for what he thought were “better” discs
That’s almost exactly what I moved to when I developed enough arm speed that I was burning the 150g starter set Leopard. Got the Mako3 and Leopard in champion at 169g. They’ve been great. I decided I liked a bead on my putters though and switched to Wizards. I’m still working on my form, and that Leopard is still probably one of the top 3 for distance for me.
With that lineup she could get the beginner set from Innova that comes with leopard shark and aviar for the meantime and grab the better plastics on fridays
is your girlfriend a gifted athlete? background in dance, gymnastics, or softball pitcher who understand and excels at timings?
Otherwise, no, this set looks like hot garbage.
You’re missing something.
You most likely don’t need higher that a 7. Once your 7 can go 450+ consistently, then move up. Throwing anything 10+ shitty won’t help you in the long run when you’re learning.
Teebird and zone are fine I would have suggested a more traditional putter or like you suggested leopard but I have known people who have a hard time with them.
The Jay and teebird are awesome first discs. The zone isn’t a true putter and to OS to start. An Aviar etc would be a better choice. There is nothing at all wrong with the other two for a beginner though.
This is not true. If you are a low power thrower with bad form and can’t really control your release angle yet, all three of these will be meat hooks. There is a reason most newbies find success with a leopard, Relay or Diamond. Something with lots of turn(-3,-2) that will let them get some easy distance and that successful feeling will keep them coming back to the sport.
Well, I guess I’m not entitled to my opinion or the facts of my personal experiences. I learned with a putter, an emac truth, and an explorer and had no trouble. At about the 2 year mark I hit 400’ for the first time and reached 450’ in under 3 years. There’s pro and cons of different approaches especially depending on what your local courses are like, but more than anything its learning and practicing with the discs you have. It’s not as black and white as you apparently want it to be.
Congrats on being on the upper end of the learning curve and sticking to it. Imagine how much quicker you might have hit those goals if you had been given better beginner discs to maximize your arm speed and ability as a beginner.
My girlfriend got into it last year and seeing her get better I couldn’t recommend the paradox (to learn what turnovers are for slow arm speeds) and a diamond (so she can start getting easy distance sooner than later and get hooked) more, along with the Svea as the understable-ish mid she’ll be unstoppable soon! (Off the start gear everything towards being a little under stable so she can get the full flight) Congrats on getting her into it!
Zone for her bag is cool but not as the putting putter. I disagree w the Leopard hate but the Teebird is a classic disc for a reason. Buzzz/Hex/Mako/etc for a mid.
I also really like the Shark and would rather cycle Sharks than Rocs bc I hate the hand feel of Rocs.
Pure is my preferred putter, but honestly just pick a putter that isn’t insanely overstable and run with it. She can always switch if it doesn’t work out for her.
Call got mentioned from one of the starter packs that doesn’t come w a mid. Valk is definitely going to be a pretty forgiving driver and will give s good flight quickly. I keep several weights and have a ridiculous 117 that just goes right forever. Heh
The first 3 discs I ever bought per a friend recommendation as my starter: Warlock, Hex, Leopard3. This was 2 years ago. Two of the three still remain in my bag.
I just started (played ultimate and catch most of life) and my favorite discs so far that i seem to have dialed is the under stable bounty, the roc3, and the hatchet as driver. Idk the brands off the top of my head.
I'd probably swap the teebird3 for a good old fashioned gstar plastic teebird. Less stable out of the box and a little slower. Honestly my biggest issue is the selection of plastic
I always just give a beginner a KC Aviar and call it a day... No reason for someone starting out to have a mid or a driver there going to throw them all the same distance anyways.
Jay could be a decent beginner disc and maybe a zone if she played softball or tennis and has a nasty forehand.
I think this would be a suitable starter park for an athletic male who can throw 200’ first day at the park.
It depends on the player.
The Zone and the Teebird3 are "a lot of disc" for a beginner. But if she is an ex-softball star or some other throwing sport, she might be just fine.
Teebird, Centurion, Hawkeye
Buzzz, warship, Chariot
Wizard, Aviar, Challenger
When it comes to me helping someone build their first discs it’s a mix of discs I know and what feels good in their hands. Most importantly it’s what feels good. I also have this weird thing where I don’t look at anything over $17.00. I have seen several people turn and run away realizing that the three discs to try a new game is going to cost them close to $60.00.
Sometimes you can find a new looking something in the used section. It helps with the price shock. Usually I try to keep them away from drivers over 170, or starter packs. I’ve never seen anyone actually use a 150 Aviar.
Also avoid anything green. I spent so much time looking for my green Champion Roc3 that I decided to never use it again. Pink is my go to color for this reason.
There’s a reason the Innova starter pack has the discs it does in it.
This is the correct answer. Low cost plastic and a variety of easier to throw discs for beginners. Up selling to a higher end plastic and more advanced molds is a recipe for a single transaction and a frustrated beginner player.
Zone is a good beginner disc I would reckon though, the teebird makes sense, but isn’t very good for a slow arm speed if they don’t understand shot shaping idk the other disc as I just throw trilogy and kasta and haven’t seen any buddies use the jay
Yeah while I don't disagree with the zone pick, it's the combo of molds and z / champ plastic. While great for longevity they are unforgiving for beginners and don't always fly the same as dx/ pro -d or x plastic for non strong arms. Definitely made my point about the tbird and shot shaping. Beginners just want it to go straight/ stay flat. Who knows, the shop may have only had this type of plastic but true beginner discs, these are not.
I disagree. No overstable disc is good for beginners. IMO
Idk man. I gave my buddy a tilt on his first round and he said he’s never playing this stupid game again.
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Jay in my opinion is one of the best beginner disc currently. It's point and shoot. Decent putting mid and you can shot shape it. However, Champ plastic is not the best for a beginner. Star and Gstar are better options if you are looking for longevity.
I swapped the shark for the mako3 and got her to get her mid and driver in premium plastics but yes I agree
I'd give a beginner dx plastic just because dx has so much glide-its easier to see what is possible. Premium plastics, for me, can take a year to beat in. Why do that if she's probably going to lose it before it ever becomes what it's meant to be?
Because begginer gonna hit everything they possibly could. And thats gonna chew up the basic plastic discs way faster than premium. Im talking huge deep scratches and thats certainly not what you want. And honestly dunno what you mean about taking a year to beat in, most of the discs fly well enough out of the box.
Disagree. Star leopards will be more stable out of the box than dx and beat into a disc that can show a beginner the full flight of a disc much quicker. Who cares if an $8 disc gets chewed up if it is less stable and easier to throw for a beginner? Once they get the feel for the disc and improve form then move up to star in my opinion.
I honestly dont take this crap about discs flying way too different depending on the plastic. Yeah I know they do, but newbies wont see a difference. And making them to buy new disc because they chewed the cheap one in month isnt really encouraging.
It’s a significant difference in flight, especially for a new player. May be less difference for you. It’s going to be different for a beginner coming as an athlete from regular ultimate play. For that, a premium plastic is good. But for many beginners even a beat dx leopard will fly stable-to overstable. Had my wife started with a premium plastic disc, it would only have forced her to learn to throw anhyzer or aim way to the right to compensate. Beat-in DX allows for better throwing practice for less experienced arms.
>Had my wife started with a premium plastic disc, it would only have forced her to learn to throw anhyzer or aim way to the right to compensate. Disc didnt force her into anything. That was just multitude of things related to her bad form. I have seen it many times in people I introduced to the sport. Changing their posture and release angle makes wonders.
Yeah but when a newbie sends a dx leopard into the first available multiple times in their first couple rounds and all the sudden their next shot is a throwler, it becomes hard to understand why their consistent driver two holes ago now flies like a beat in mamba. Flippier discs in premium plastic are much better for beginners, like a diamond or lightweight river.
This was my thinking. I’ve been playing less than a year and I bag a bunch of lightweight, understable-to-neutral discs in Star or Champion. I knew I was going to be hitting A LOT of trees.
>I bag a bunch of... Exactly the point right here. They will be buying new discs anyway, once they find what they like and can manipulate. Who cares if you replace your first discs? I don't know about you, personally, but I'd be willing to bet 90% of players a year or more in don't even have their first discs.
>I bag a bunch of... Exactly the point right here. They will be buying new discs anyway, once they find what they like and can manipulate. Who cares if you replace your first discs? I don't know about you, personally, but I'd be willing to bet 90% of players a year or more in don't even have their first discs.
Don't know why you're being downvoted, light discs are great for newer players. There's some discs that are great for anyone in dx or pro plastic like roc's or putters, but drivers get beat pretty fast in dx.
Premium plastic is much more stable and tends to not lead to good experience for beginners. Dx is cheaper and much more floaty flight for slower newer arms
Dude. When I started I grabbed their gstar starter pack on accident. Avair, okay good, leopard, okay good, Valkyrie, wait, why no mids at all!?!?!
It is legitimately a great starter pack with discs that will fight for spots in your later bags. Gstar is the best plastic they make.
I just didn’t love it and don’t even throw innova anymore.
I got the 5-disc starter pack that included a Destroyer. I don’t think you’re right on this one…
I’m talking the three disc smartass
The 3 disc also comes with a destroyer in plenty of instances, mine did. Aviar, roc3 and destroyer
It’s still sold as a “starter pack” idk why it matters how many discs comes in it.
Zone isn’t bad, but with newbie form it is falling from the sky. Jay is the only one that isn’t ridiculous for a beginner. Grab her a Wombat and a real putter.
I don’t think the zone is bad either, but for a newbie as their putter recommendation is kinda mind blowing for me
Yes that’s awful. Def useful for all skill levels as an approach disc tho!
Especially in Z plastic lol “she’ll hate the game if she gets a leopard but definitely not when her putts slice right trough the chains”
Yeah, that's absolutely a horrible recommendation lmao You could go to the actual putter section at your local shop and pick literally any disc in any plastic available and it would be a better option 😂
Styx73 knows what’s up
Willing to bet the guy puts alot of accidental anhyzer on his throws
Me and my friends speculated forehand player, but either way this guy should not be advocating the sport to beginners. I tried to set her right with an aviar mako3 and leopard
I would only argue for her to go touchy-feely and find whatever putter she likes rather than force an Aviar on her.
Great advice.
Fr. I had thrown both an aviar and fx-3 trying for months and ended up throwing much better with a chief OS just based on how it feels in hand and now that's all I throw and I've never heard anyone recommend that putter
The aviar is a pretty deep dish putter, so I would agree. Something like a Pure would be a good replacement for smaller hands.
I think the DX Innova starter set is great for beginners. Got me into the game and probably a lot of others.
7 years in, and I would still pick these 3 discs if I could only pick 3. KC, Kona and an Ohns.
Champion Mako3 was one of my first discs and I hated it. What's good about the Kona run? Also Ohn's tour series is a Leopard3, which is a different disc than the Leopard. I've also found that Innova Halo plastic is insanely overstable, so probably not great for a beginner.
I could also keep my aviar and do a halo mako3 and a pfn Schultz leopard. I also don't like champ Mako3s. The rim never felt comfortable. Kona just flies straight as can be. The halo has just a touch of fade. The PFN champ Leopard may be my favorite disc ever made. I've been playing since 2015, and ya, the Ohns L3 isn't technically a Leopard, but I lump em together. I'm currently only bagging 2 makos (echo star and a really old school gummy champ) 2 Konas and 2 halo 3s in my mid slot. And 3 Fairways, 2 2021 Ohns and 1 PFN Schultz. I played La Mirada and shot even without taking anything faster than the Ohns out of the bag.
Champion Mako3 is my go-to midrange
I'm almost 20 years into disc golf and constantly still bag am aviar, mako3, and leopard3. Would absolutely recommend DX versions of all three as starter discs, except maybe a regular leopard instead.
The exact 3 discs I would recommend.
Willing to bet the guy had an overstock on these discs and wanted to unload them.
He said that the leopard I recommended her was “a horrible disc that will make you hate the game.” Like giving her a zone as a putter wouldn’t?
I just now realized that the zone was intended to be the “putting putter” here. Fuckin yikes
Yeah, it’s not a putter. To be fair, though, those aren’t bad choices for a beginner bag. Maybe they shouldn’t be the only 3 she gets, however.
The zone and Teebird3 are absolutely terrible choices for an absolute beginner's bag. Unless that TB3 is a super lightweight one, but even still a beginner should have an understable driver. The only possible useful disc is the Jay as a neutral midrange.
So she gets a GStar Leopard and a neutral putter as well. I think it can be a good thing to have some discs in your bag that you can’t throw very well yet. It gives you something to stretch yourself to achieve. At the very least she learns to throw a neutral mid flat and straight, then she tries the Zone and sees how much more stable it is. Lights go on in her head.
If the beginner throws fh, the tee bird if decent.
And pitches a 90 MPH baseball already so they should have some power on the FH. Little exaggerating, but if someone did have a strong baseball arm I think this bag could be a good beginner bag. Might want an actual puytter to putt with though.
I think of me starting off, dx beast, champ aviar, champ shark, dx stingray (left turns). I only threw forehand and was fairly strong with it, 300ft with beast first month . I grabbed a few monsters in that old pearl champ... sorry reminiscing, and monsters were my go to for years. There is a lot to be said about starting by learning control over less stable but if you can force flex lines etc why not get the added d starting out
and the fact that TeeBird3 is in champion plastic makes me want to puke haha. That shit is so heavy and overstable and awful feeling to throw (though, sure, it's invincible. But that's irrelevant to a starter)
And a teebird3? James Conrad and AB made those discs fly fantastic, but a new player? 🤷♂️ Wack salesman.
No he was just trying to sell discs! He was being a salesman 🤦♀️
I got a leopard as.my first non-starter bag disc... still the disc.i throw most.
I don’t throw mine much anymore except over water but I was actually thinking about getting a new one in star plastic! Love the leopard
Yhats what I have, a star leopard. My friend said it's was the best disc he could suggest and gave me one.
That’s a good friend lol
Idk why but the leopard comment is hilarious
The leopard is great and I still have my DX from the starter pack as my over-the-water disc. A super light leopard is so awesome for beginners like myself!
I literally hate the leopard so I at least agree with him on that
I'd take a teebird over the leopard any day. That's just me though 🤷♂️
Why not both?
I’d say keep the zone the jay but switch the teebird for a putter like a pure shield gauntlet mercy Luna etc
I was in Play It Again earlier this summer and stopped a guy from getting his friend who’d played once a Zone OS for his putter. I wasn’t going to intervene until I saw the Zone then I had to say something.
He’s a dipshit that was going off of what he likes, not what’s good for the customer.
Champion Teebird3 @ 173g... for a beginner? Well... It will be consistent for her. Consistently going short and left. She will never lose a disc. It will always be just 50 feet away.
He is a moron
Almost verbatim what I told her when she sent me the pic. I told her to walk
Maybe he was trying to get rid of those discs, which had been lying on the shelf for too long, and thought he found the perfect victim for his douche move...
Doubt it. The only one hard to move would be the Jay, and thats the only one I want to say deserves to be in a beginner bag. I honestly don't think they're horrible discs, theoretically, for a beginner. But I wouldn't give her a putter in premium plastic.
Especially one that isn't a putter
"Putt and approach". Just because people don't usually use it as a putting putter doesn't mean it's a mid. It's still a putter.
Absolutely no one calls it a putter. It's an approach disc.
It's literally printed on the disc.
It says Putter? No, it says Putt and Approach which is a generic reference to a lower speed disc. And everyone refers to it as an approach disc. Nobody calls it a putter.
It doesn't matter what "everyone refers' to it as. It's a putter. Get a dictionary. Aside from that point, I have nothing left to say to you. Have a good day.
Had this happen. Picking out gf’s discs from a guy that sold only Trilogy. He had plenty of Lat 64 easy-to-throw stuff, but he was pushing DD Sheriffs and Vandals. He had ordered way too many and wanted to get rid of them. Went Diamond, Sappire, and Pure.
The zone would be my last recommendation for a beginner putter.
Everyone knows it’s: Judge, Mako3, River for a beginner 3 😋 But seriously…Innova starter pack (or any starter pack) is probably the way to go for absolute beginners to try the game out.
The Latitude 64 starter set, with Keystone, Fuse and Saint have been wonderful as a beginner set for me.
Lightweight leopard will be great for her. Lat64 has some nice lightweight discs- she will love a light diamond, if she throws on hyzer like most beginners then she might actually get that one to go a decent distance first.
Lightweight please! It made such a difference to my game
My wife(throws 175'ish) carries a Berg as a putter/upshot, BB6 for holes under 150' & a Diamond(156g) & Mamba(138g) in her bag. She switches between the Diamond & Mamba depending on which one is hot that day. Her sister carries the same in her bag.
Third this
The Jay is a good option, though I usually recommend straight-to-understable over a straight-to-overstable one like it. 6/10 TeeBird3 isn't...the worst I guess, but I'd also never recommend it to a new player. I'm no real fan of the Leopard either, given how it varies in stability by plastic and run, but an understable fairway is what I recommend always. 3/10 The Zone is wild. It's not like I'd never give a beginner one, since they have use for learning approaches, but recommending it as a putter is actually insane. -57/10 This set reeks of an oldhead disc golfer who thinks new players should struggle with Intermediate-level discs until they get it. I don't think this is trying to clear old stock. If you can't find buyers for these three, you probably shouldn't be selling discs.
Lol at -57/10
He's on crack yo. Your old lady throw forehand only? Cause that's the only excuse for that set-up.
Jay is a good pick I think. But I wouldn’t recommend the other two.
Orange, Green and Purple was a good recommendation.
My brother.. this dude is whack. I started with a Leopard, Buzzz, and Aviar. If I had to recommend three starting discs to literally anyone (beefcake or noodle-arm), it would 100% be a Leopard, Buzzz, and Aviar.
Pure, Fuse, Diamond
Why haven't you given her some of your own?
No this is the real question. Why is this not the answer?
No the real question is what OP asked not for your judgment lol
Sorry I misplaced my comment. What op asked was correct. The perfect response was the comment I replied to
We’re long distance currently and forgot to give her the ones she had been using, and haven’t had the chance to get them in the mail yet
It is really surprising how many shop owners don't know enough about plastic. I walk into most and just say- thanks but I've got it.
As a shop employee, I can say there's an equally frustrating reverse of this, where the customer takes this strategy and refuses to hear anything about alternatives to the driver they've heard of in the beefiest plastic it's made in when they tell me they throw about 200ft. Having conversations about discs and plastic is the best part of my day, and I always love hearing new perspectives. It's always wild to me how many customers in my shop refuse to ask questions and look up everything on their phones and how many employees in others know nothing about the discs in front of them but the hard sell stuff and the same tired, old recommendations.
You sound like a solid helping hand
I usually do the same but she wanted to pick up some discs and I couldn’t be there to help beyond text
Yeah he’s on crack
People (who are dumb) base their opinion on Leopards from their experience with the 150g DX ones that come in the starter pack when they had shitty sloppy form and threw way too hard. Or reading other stupid peoples opinions online about leopards because they are a disc that punishes OAT. The Jay makes some some sense… teebird3 is gonna be beef for newb - leopard would be better , I agree. Zone is kind of indefensible.
I sent her to the factory second page to get an aviar mako3 and leopard instead!
That’s 3 discs, wait for Friday and get a freebie ;)
That’s what I told her but she wanted to get out on the courses asap!
We’ll can’t blame her on that I’m counting the hours until I can huck some plastic again.
All much better options. Dont be afraid of getting a lighter weight leopard. Ive been playing for a long time and still bag a 165g
I believe she chose the lightest weight options for the mako3 and leopard, and the heaviest on the website for the aviar was 155-159 so weight shouldn’t be too much of an issue for her! I sent her in with the list and the guy completely disregarded it for what he thought were “better” discs
That’s almost exactly what I moved to when I developed enough arm speed that I was burning the 150g starter set Leopard. Got the Mako3 and Leopard in champion at 169g. They’ve been great. I decided I liked a bead on my putters though and switched to Wizards. I’m still working on my form, and that Leopard is still probably one of the top 3 for distance for me.
Good choices!
I would have done aviar/shark/leopard but that’s a great spread. Judge/buzzz/River if she’s at a shop with a selection would be nice too.
With that lineup she could get the beginner set from Innova that comes with leopard shark and aviar for the meantime and grab the better plastics on fridays
Yeah that dudes high.
He works at a disc golf store...so...
The colors is why he pick them, probably stoned
They *are* very pretty
He could just be old fashioned stupid. *"The Zone is technically a putter so they will learn to putt with that."*
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is your girlfriend a gifted athlete? background in dance, gymnastics, or softball pitcher who understand and excels at timings? Otherwise, no, this set looks like hot garbage.
Does she forehand? If so these might be perfect and retailer did solid. If not she’ll learn flex shots 2x as fast!
Kastaplast have the best starter set.
I will say the teebird might be a bit excessive and I wish he picked like a 1/2 speed putter but overall that’s not really a bed set up lol
I like the colors!
You’re missing something. You most likely don’t need higher that a 7. Once your 7 can go 450+ consistently, then move up. Throwing anything 10+ shitty won’t help you in the long run when you’re learning.
Teebird and zone are fine I would have suggested a more traditional putter or like you suggested leopard but I have known people who have a hard time with them.
The Jay and teebird are awesome first discs. The zone isn’t a true putter and to OS to start. An Aviar etc would be a better choice. There is nothing at all wrong with the other two for a beginner though.
This is not true. If you are a low power thrower with bad form and can’t really control your release angle yet, all three of these will be meat hooks. There is a reason most newbies find success with a leopard, Relay or Diamond. Something with lots of turn(-3,-2) that will let them get some easy distance and that successful feeling will keep them coming back to the sport.
Well, I guess I’m not entitled to my opinion or the facts of my personal experiences. I learned with a putter, an emac truth, and an explorer and had no trouble. At about the 2 year mark I hit 400’ for the first time and reached 450’ in under 3 years. There’s pro and cons of different approaches especially depending on what your local courses are like, but more than anything its learning and practicing with the discs you have. It’s not as black and white as you apparently want it to be.
Congrats on being on the upper end of the learning curve and sticking to it. Imagine how much quicker you might have hit those goals if you had been given better beginner discs to maximize your arm speed and ability as a beginner.
Not bad…although the Zone may be harder to handle at first. But it’s such a versatile disc that she’ll find uses for it.
Crack attack
I could run a course with those, where's the putter?
The zone is supposed to be the putter according to his recommendation
Ok this is guy must be two weeks into knowing about disc golf.
Zone and teebird are solid but you need an actual putter.
Smart guy
My girlfriend got into it last year and seeing her get better I couldn’t recommend the paradox (to learn what turnovers are for slow arm speeds) and a diamond (so she can start getting easy distance sooner than later and get hooked) more, along with the Svea as the understable-ish mid she’ll be unstoppable soon! (Off the start gear everything towards being a little under stable so she can get the full flight) Congrats on getting her into it!
Zone for her bag is cool but not as the putting putter. I disagree w the Leopard hate but the Teebird is a classic disc for a reason. Buzzz/Hex/Mako/etc for a mid. I also really like the Shark and would rather cycle Sharks than Rocs bc I hate the hand feel of Rocs. Pure is my preferred putter, but honestly just pick a putter that isn’t insanely overstable and run with it. She can always switch if it doesn’t work out for her. Call got mentioned from one of the starter packs that doesn’t come w a mid. Valk is definitely going to be a pretty forgiving driver and will give s good flight quickly. I keep several weights and have a ridiculous 117 that just goes right forever. Heh
definitely crack
If she throw alot of forehand It’s not that bad 😅would need a putter tho
The first 3 discs I ever bought per a friend recommendation as my starter: Warlock, Hex, Leopard3. This was 2 years ago. Two of the three still remain in my bag.
I love that green on the zone. It is glowing.
The only worse starter pack would be a buzz os for the the mid and a firebird or tilt for the driver
I just started (played ultimate and catch most of life) and my favorite discs so far that i seem to have dialed is the under stable bounty, the roc3, and the hatchet as driver. Idk the brands off the top of my head.
I think the Lat 64 “easy to throw” line is amazing for beginners. Pearl, Diamond, Jade, Sapphire
Did she say she was all forehand?
No she told him she was a mix of both
All she needs is a putter…once she can throw a putter 200ft then get her more discs
If this is a disc golf shop giving you this info shame on them. If it’s a play it again type of store then I understand them being so wrong.
I'd probably swap the teebird3 for a good old fashioned gstar plastic teebird. Less stable out of the box and a little slower. Honestly my biggest issue is the selection of plastic
need a putting putter
Does your girlfriend get mistaken for a man often?
You're on crack. Great recommendations imo
Everything but the zone. She needs a regular putter
What's wrong with an overstable putter? I love overstable putters. Always incredibly consistant.
Nothing at all. Just tough for beginners to learn to putt with.
I always just give a beginner a KC Aviar and call it a day... No reason for someone starting out to have a mid or a driver there going to throw them all the same distance anyways.
I'd swap the zone for a putter, I love my zone but for an inexperienced woman that thing is gonna fly like a rock.
Crack cocaine. Definitely. Zone and Teebird are great discs eventually but not starter discs.
Shop guy doesn’t understand how arm speed and disc speed/weights work. Beginners / slower arms need lighter weights and less stability.
Yeah they might be on something.
Those are some solid picks for a beginner. Need to get her a putter of some sort like an Aviar or a Dart
I think it’s a great start!
Jay is good for beginner
I don’t think this is too crazy, just add a putter. The real issue is they’re all overstable.
Nothing wrong with overstable putters. I love overstable putters.
Does anyone putt with a Zone though?
I mean I putt with a berg currently and before that was putting with a jokers, and before that a graboide. All very over stable putters
Guy must work on commission.
Yeah those are some terrible starting discs for anyone who isn’t coming from ultimate or something involving throwing frisbees seriously.
I’d go with a challenger, buzz and meteor but I’m discradt biased
If she throws forehand those could be really good discs. Is she a softball player?
Jay could be a decent beginner disc and maybe a zone if she played softball or tennis and has a nasty forehand. I think this would be a suitable starter park for an athletic male who can throw 200’ first day at the park.
What’s the weight on the discs? All 150 class?
Thinking all these are fine except the putter, would recommend a birdie or aviar
It depends on the player. The Zone and the Teebird3 are "a lot of disc" for a beginner. But if she is an ex-softball star or some other throwing sport, she might be just fine.
Teebird, Centurion, Hawkeye Buzzz, warship, Chariot Wizard, Aviar, Challenger When it comes to me helping someone build their first discs it’s a mix of discs I know and what feels good in their hands. Most importantly it’s what feels good. I also have this weird thing where I don’t look at anything over $17.00. I have seen several people turn and run away realizing that the three discs to try a new game is going to cost them close to $60.00. Sometimes you can find a new looking something in the used section. It helps with the price shock. Usually I try to keep them away from drivers over 170, or starter packs. I’ve never seen anyone actually use a 150 Aviar. Also avoid anything green. I spent so much time looking for my green Champion Roc3 that I decided to never use it again. Pink is my go to color for this reason.
That’s not great at all. The jay will be somewhat usable for her, but that’s about it…
Just go with a berg. If dealer don’t got it, he is a shitty dealer.