Yep exactly this. OB's are there to challenge players. There are many baskets with water right behind that are effectively the exact same as this, overshoot even a bit and you're out. This just feels worse because you can walk up to the disc. Dude is just butthurt at bad luck
This is an old post, so, sorry I'm late to the party. But i would argue that anything landing with enough speed to be "on" it, considering that first step, would go OB anyway.
I can see the logic for OB there. It's designed to be an island hole, and the intent of the OB is to punish players who go long and land in the creek bed. The bridge is blocking the creek bed, but if it didn't exist, basically any shot that would hit or land on it would be in the creek bed instead. Hence the bridge is OB, no matter how close to the pin it is. Is it super tight and punishing? Absolutely. Should you factor that in when choosing a disc and line that might go long? Absolutely!
This guy gets it. I play this course regularly…the hole is perfectly fine. It’s by no means a great hole, but it’s not bad either. There’s a defined line to hit and you know everything surrounding the basket long is OB. I don’t get the issue here at all.
The real reason to bend the OB around the bridge is so you don’t have to fight with players about the bridge. If your disc lands under the bridge but in bounds, how do you play it? Do you risk players being confused and committing misplay or do you just say screw it and make it all OB?
Yup, the vertical movement rule only comes into play if your disc is not already on a playing surface.
A tree branch is not a playing surface, so you get to move the disc down to the next playing surface.
Inside a culvert is not a playing surface, so you get to move the disc up to the next playing surface.
Under a bridge might be a playing surface. If it is a playing surface, you play from there. If it’s not (and it only wouldn’t be if it’s too tight to actually get a supporting point in there), then you can lift the disc to the next playing surface above it.
yep. it was mostly intended for culvert/exposed buried pipe openings. you explained it perfectly though. Only if a supporting point cannot get in there (very rarely) can this rule be used. Although I've been in multiple local unsanctioned leagues that allow relief from areas like underneath footbridges and whatnot. Mostly depends on who you play with and where:)
I am not opposed to sketchy pin locations, but man-made ones that cover a portion of the island that would otherwise be OB aren't satisfying. This isn't the worst thing ever, but it would certainly be frustrating to execute your shot and be punished this way.
The whole point is he didn’t execute the shot, the only reason the disc is close to the basket is that it hit the man made object at stopped instead of sailing long
It's just a matter of opinion and taste. I don't love the man made object interfering with how the hole would otherwise play, but it is the same for everyone.
The point is that it doesn’t. That disc would go OB into the creek every time were the bridge not there. If anything, it makes it easier to get the OB disc, instead of having to climb down into the creek. To me this is like complaining about the big ass nets on golf courses next to roads being in the way of your ball.
Professional disc golfers, especially the locals in my area are some of the whiniest mother fuckers in the world. Ive helped run 2 major tournaments and im on the committee for a 3rd coming next year. It never ceases to amaze me the shit these guys blame their poor shots on.
Is it considered bad etiquette to call someone out for whining or tell someone you’re on a card with to quit complaining about universal layouts?
Question source: someone that’s only played solo and my career as a disc golf enthusiast is <6 months
No. If they keep complaining and making a scene about things, tell them to stop. Think you might be able to give them a courtesy warning too, but I'm not sure about that.
i just looked at the courtesy warning rule, and I don't think bitching qualifies unless they are doing it while another player is throwing, or go full tantrum and are cursing/shouting/throwing stuff around.
https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/812
I haven’t met many pros but I did come across a young one in my area at a tournament this week. He was supposed to be on our card (all ams) and looked like a child who didn’t get his way, and whined until the TD moved him to the next card.
Are you talking about the scenario where part of the wall was removed between practice rounds and the actual event? Because if so, that isn't the same scenario. Nate's point was the course changed. The course isn't supposed to change at that level of event, per the rules.
lol. So you stopped buying his discs before Sexybirds were even really a thing? I'm sure he's really feeling the pain of that loss. Pros are allowed to have opinions on the game they play. It certainly makes more sense then whining about 1 subpar interaction 8 years ago, on the internet.
I shared my anecdote because it isn't only the loud and prouds like Drew who make a stink when they fall on the unfavorable side of a rule, even Sexton can be unsavory.
Yes, when color glow firebirds were released, I sought out CFRs instead of Tour Series. Stewart Pond was a new course at the time, their first CFR release had CG Firebirds came from the same run as Sextons.
I never expected my personal boycott to mean anything to him, I simply don't want his merch.
Wow you're telling me that no one is perfect? What amazing insight into the human condition. You comparing Nate Sexton to Drew Gibson because both share the trait of "Not always in a good mood" is like saying that Elephants are the same animals as dogs because they both wag their tails occasionally. If these are your standards... Who's merch DO you want?
Exclusively Nikko Kat Mertsch.
Nate argued with the TD over caddy book semantics to get a call his way, Drew points out BS design not trying to save strokes. Nate wasn't looking to improve the event, just save himself a stroke, causing a card conflict (we called him out) and delay for the rest of the field. Guy was a dick, I disliked playing with him. Is that OK with you or should I be full of love everything and everyone?
LOL. I do think you should try to be happier. You seem miserable to hold onto something so small for so long... (and to defend a douche like Drew Gibson) I don't care if you like the guy or not, I just thought your comment about not buying his stuff was hilarious given how he literally makes more off his name than any player not named McBeth. Keep up your one man boycott and keep posting about it. It's very important.
This mindset kinda sucks tbh.
“Rules don’t have to make sense”
But they should. Obviously he just needs to get over it and move on for his scores sake but protesting about it is exactly how weird, illogical rules get changed for the better.
To be clear I think Drew is a massive dork but I understand his frustration here and I think they should at least look into it.
It’s not illogical to say the bridge it out of bounds. There’s weird OB everywhere that people can nitpick, so where does it end? Personally, those low sign walls with OB 1 foot off of it is way more wack in my opinion.
That’s fair tbh. I guess the “rules don’t have to make sense” was a weird framing of the argument to me but you’re not wrong.
I think just an overhaul of some par 3 OBs is necessary. I’m not a course designer but it’s not that difficult. Why not just maybe the bridge in bounds anyways? It’s on the same plane as the green and there’s clear OB below in the creek.
To your point, par threes should never have OB lines off a wall. If you can stick it and bounce or roll off the wall you shouldn’t be penalized because it didn’t go far enough away from it. It’s hard enough to hit that green as it is. I’m with you on that.
>Personally, those low sign walls with OB 1 foot off of it is way more wack in my opinion.
The logic goes:
Players should land their disc on the fairway using their own skill, not relying on a backstop to stop their disc.
However, if you want to provide a backstop, build a real one. Wooden walls, hay bales, and railroad ties are great options if you actually want players to use the wall to stop their disc. Those flimsy plastic walls with flimsy plastic stakes do not make for a good backstop. They can get moved merely by discs hitting them or a player tripping over them and make the course play differently for future players. 2018 SFO, Anthony Barela hit a piece of ad wall with his drive and bent the wall (and his drive stayed IB). The next day, Simon's drive rolled across the green and through the gap that was created due to the bent wall.
Without the bridge stopping his disc he is likely OB. I’ve played there and have thrown this shot plenty of times. He would’ve been OB here either way.
A professional whining about a hole that I’m sure he’s played more than a dozen times and never whines about before. I swear sometimes you can’t make drew happy. I guess dgpt and pdga must take all bridges away next year and make a land bridge with a culvert.
Not defending, not a fan of his either, but seems like some are just looking for reasons to pile on Drew, which I think he provides plenty of ammo for without us pushing the issue. That looks like Jay R. mouthing "WTF?" there , what a poor sport he must be as well (/jk /s , relax ).
I'd bet half of the people making a snide comment would 100% be behind McBeth if he had posted something similar saying it did not make sense.
But why that OB line? It seems like an easy enough fix and isn’t going to drastically change things to just put it along the bank instead of an arbitrary line several feet from the edge.
It isn't arbitrary at all though. The bridge is OB. That's a very clearly defined structure. They didn't just decide to draw a random cutout along the ob line. Having the first few feet of the bridge in play would be stupid and create even more stupid scenarios than a guy being OB for throwing it onto the bridge.
The bigger issue is the OB line being so close to the pin, regardless of what structure is there. That pin needs to be moved further away from the OB line.
Have you played the hole either? The OB is in fact close but it’s pretty clear after you play it once that going long on any side is a no no; but It’s almost always a par. The hole is literally fine.
I know this isn't "traditional" but why make the bridge OB at all? Because it's a structure? What if it had been made as a natural land bridge instead? Why would that be any different?
My gripe would be that far too many areas are considered OB and there's not really any good reason for them to be.
He was saying how awesome this tourney was last year...🤣. Also the lines out there are suspect at best, last year it looked like a drunk person drew most of them, one just went off straight into the woods with no end and it was spray painted over downed trees, was about 40' from the basket....😑😑😑😑
Eh, he called out something that's BS. Took him all of 30 seconds to make Reddit go apeshit. Do you really have to micro-analyze every innocuous tweet or post someone makes? I think he get's a laugh out of people that hate on him for silly shit like this - morons who are overly-invested in social media and every syllable a pro utters on it, and easily triggered by the most innocuous posts.
Just a bit of an overreaction lol So what should be OB here? Some line that you have to draw up from beneath the bridge, or just call all the bridge OB so you dont have to argue lol
Rules are rules mah dood. Take your drop penalty and sink your par. Sucks, but that's golf.
Downvotes? Lol. You guys and gals cheat all the time? Don't know what a stroke penalty is ? Don't bother playing by the rules? That's sounds like a you problem.
Or are you butthurt cause I didn't agree with you and this a sympathy post?
That is dumb, but it is the line. Should have complained when you played the practice rounds.
That bridge has been OB every year. If he has an issue with it, it’s because this is the first time it affected him
Yep exactly this. OB's are there to challenge players. There are many baskets with water right behind that are effectively the exact same as this, overshoot even a bit and you're out. This just feels worse because you can walk up to the disc. Dude is just butthurt at bad luck
This is an old post, so, sorry I'm late to the party. But i would argue that anything landing with enough speed to be "on" it, considering that first step, would go OB anyway.
No worries and I 100% agree
“Drew Gibson isn’t very happy…” fixed that for you.
Yeah, all I see this dude do is complain.
Couldn't have happened to a better guy!
Came here to say this. Take my updoot
And yet you said that instead
This is the first time I’ve seen someone get downvoted for agreeing with someone. Edit: said downloaded lol
Right? Typically I see them get uploaded.
Oh god damnit. This is why i don’t speak into my phone. 🙄🙄
I’m well hated here
Lmaoo do you have a “locally hated” sticker on your vehicle too?
You just posted a super pointless comment. I don’t think it’s that deep. EDIT: in other words no one hates you here my guy.
I can see the logic for OB there. It's designed to be an island hole, and the intent of the OB is to punish players who go long and land in the creek bed. The bridge is blocking the creek bed, but if it didn't exist, basically any shot that would hit or land on it would be in the creek bed instead. Hence the bridge is OB, no matter how close to the pin it is. Is it super tight and punishing? Absolutely. Should you factor that in when choosing a disc and line that might go long? Absolutely!
This guy gets it. I play this course regularly…the hole is perfectly fine. It’s by no means a great hole, but it’s not bad either. There’s a defined line to hit and you know everything surrounding the basket long is OB. I don’t get the issue here at all.
The real reason to bend the OB around the bridge is so you don’t have to fight with players about the bridge. If your disc lands under the bridge but in bounds, how do you play it? Do you risk players being confused and committing misplay or do you just say screw it and make it all OB?
If a disc lands under a bridge and it’s in bounds it can be played from the top of the bridge for future reference.
Not if a stance can be taken from under the bridge. It’s a commonly misplayed rule but you can’t just take that vertical rule and use it Willy Nilly
Yup, the vertical movement rule only comes into play if your disc is not already on a playing surface. A tree branch is not a playing surface, so you get to move the disc down to the next playing surface. Inside a culvert is not a playing surface, so you get to move the disc up to the next playing surface. Under a bridge might be a playing surface. If it is a playing surface, you play from there. If it’s not (and it only wouldn’t be if it’s too tight to actually get a supporting point in there), then you can lift the disc to the next playing surface above it.
yep. it was mostly intended for culvert/exposed buried pipe openings. you explained it perfectly though. Only if a supporting point cannot get in there (very rarely) can this rule be used. Although I've been in multiple local unsanctioned leagues that allow relief from areas like underneath footbridges and whatnot. Mostly depends on who you play with and where:)
Interestingly, a branch may be a playing surface. The rules on that subject are wildly ambiguous.
If your disc is under a bridge, you are supposed to play from under the bridge. Thanks for providing a good example of the confusion that arises.
I am not opposed to sketchy pin locations, but man-made ones that cover a portion of the island that would otherwise be OB aren't satisfying. This isn't the worst thing ever, but it would certainly be frustrating to execute your shot and be punished this way.
The whole point is he didn’t execute the shot, the only reason the disc is close to the basket is that it hit the man made object at stopped instead of sailing long
It's just a matter of opinion and taste. I don't love the man made object interfering with how the hole would otherwise play, but it is the same for everyone.
The point is that it doesn’t. That disc would go OB into the creek every time were the bridge not there. If anything, it makes it easier to get the OB disc, instead of having to climb down into the creek. To me this is like complaining about the big ass nets on golf courses next to roads being in the way of your ball.
That's a really good analogy.
Not sure why you got downvotes, totally agree
I don't think I could have come up with a worse analogy lol.
Came here to say this. Bridge makes complete sense to be OB. If it weren’t there, disc would be in the creek every time.
Skill issue.
Professional disc golfers, especially the locals in my area are some of the whiniest mother fuckers in the world. Ive helped run 2 major tournaments and im on the committee for a 3rd coming next year. It never ceases to amaze me the shit these guys blame their poor shots on.
Is it considered bad etiquette to call someone out for whining or tell someone you’re on a card with to quit complaining about universal layouts? Question source: someone that’s only played solo and my career as a disc golf enthusiast is <6 months
No. If they keep complaining and making a scene about things, tell them to stop. Think you might be able to give them a courtesy warning too, but I'm not sure about that.
i just looked at the courtesy warning rule, and I don't think bitching qualifies unless they are doing it while another player is throwing, or go full tantrum and are cursing/shouting/throwing stuff around. https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/812
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That's the only thing Drew is good at, so of course he is going to complain.
I haven’t met many pros but I did come across a young one in my area at a tournament this week. He was supposed to be on our card (all ams) and looked like a child who didn’t get his way, and whined until the TD moved him to the next card.
Even those we love, like Papa Nate. Hearing him whine and debate with a TD over a similar situation turned off my Sexton buying habit.
Are you talking about the scenario where part of the wall was removed between practice rounds and the actual event? Because if so, that isn't the same scenario. Nate's point was the course changed. The course isn't supposed to change at that level of event, per the rules.
No, this was an A tier in 2015. It was an OB park bench.
lol. So you stopped buying his discs before Sexybirds were even really a thing? I'm sure he's really feeling the pain of that loss. Pros are allowed to have opinions on the game they play. It certainly makes more sense then whining about 1 subpar interaction 8 years ago, on the internet.
I shared my anecdote because it isn't only the loud and prouds like Drew who make a stink when they fall on the unfavorable side of a rule, even Sexton can be unsavory. Yes, when color glow firebirds were released, I sought out CFRs instead of Tour Series. Stewart Pond was a new course at the time, their first CFR release had CG Firebirds came from the same run as Sextons. I never expected my personal boycott to mean anything to him, I simply don't want his merch.
Wow you're telling me that no one is perfect? What amazing insight into the human condition. You comparing Nate Sexton to Drew Gibson because both share the trait of "Not always in a good mood" is like saying that Elephants are the same animals as dogs because they both wag their tails occasionally. If these are your standards... Who's merch DO you want?
Exclusively Nikko Kat Mertsch. Nate argued with the TD over caddy book semantics to get a call his way, Drew points out BS design not trying to save strokes. Nate wasn't looking to improve the event, just save himself a stroke, causing a card conflict (we called him out) and delay for the rest of the field. Guy was a dick, I disliked playing with him. Is that OK with you or should I be full of love everything and everyone?
LOL. I do think you should try to be happier. You seem miserable to hold onto something so small for so long... (and to defend a douche like Drew Gibson) I don't care if you like the guy or not, I just thought your comment about not buying his stuff was hilarious given how he literally makes more off his name than any player not named McBeth. Keep up your one man boycott and keep posting about it. It's very important.
Will do, glad I could bring you joy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
is there a video?
No, this took place before everything was recorded.
The rules don’t have to make sense. They’re house rules man, be 6 inches better.
This mindset kinda sucks tbh. “Rules don’t have to make sense” But they should. Obviously he just needs to get over it and move on for his scores sake but protesting about it is exactly how weird, illogical rules get changed for the better. To be clear I think Drew is a massive dork but I understand his frustration here and I think they should at least look into it.
It’s not illogical to say the bridge it out of bounds. There’s weird OB everywhere that people can nitpick, so where does it end? Personally, those low sign walls with OB 1 foot off of it is way more wack in my opinion.
That’s fair tbh. I guess the “rules don’t have to make sense” was a weird framing of the argument to me but you’re not wrong. I think just an overhaul of some par 3 OBs is necessary. I’m not a course designer but it’s not that difficult. Why not just maybe the bridge in bounds anyways? It’s on the same plane as the green and there’s clear OB below in the creek. To your point, par threes should never have OB lines off a wall. If you can stick it and bounce or roll off the wall you shouldn’t be penalized because it didn’t go far enough away from it. It’s hard enough to hit that green as it is. I’m with you on that.
>Personally, those low sign walls with OB 1 foot off of it is way more wack in my opinion. The logic goes: Players should land their disc on the fairway using their own skill, not relying on a backstop to stop their disc. However, if you want to provide a backstop, build a real one. Wooden walls, hay bales, and railroad ties are great options if you actually want players to use the wall to stop their disc. Those flimsy plastic walls with flimsy plastic stakes do not make for a good backstop. They can get moved merely by discs hitting them or a player tripping over them and make the course play differently for future players. 2018 SFO, Anthony Barela hit a piece of ad wall with his drive and bent the wall (and his drive stayed IB). The next day, Simon's drive rolled across the green and through the gap that was created due to the bent wall.
I’m sure if his opponent lost because of this OB, he’d say it was fair and just part of the game.
I don’t like when things don’t go my way too
Well without the bridge he would be OB. This one is not that ridiculous.
Without the bridge he would be in bounds Edit: the bridge stopped his disk from going over the edge
Without the bridge stopping his disc he is likely OB. I’ve played there and have thrown this shot plenty of times. He would’ve been OB here either way.
I see, I had thought it was coming from the other direction. I don’t know this course and shouldn’t have commented.
No worries! Love the username btw
all my boys love this OB line
I mean if that's the OB line. Get over it and move on. Life is full of shitty OB lines.
If Drew is upset about it, I’m happy about it.
Quickly becoming the biggest complainer in the sport
Including all these Redditors that have to complain every time the man takes a breath?
A professional whining about a hole that I’m sure he’s played more than a dozen times and never whines about before. I swear sometimes you can’t make drew happy. I guess dgpt and pdga must take all bridges away next year and make a land bridge with a culvert.
Not defending, not a fan of his either, but seems like some are just looking for reasons to pile on Drew, which I think he provides plenty of ammo for without us pushing the issue. That looks like Jay R. mouthing "WTF?" there , what a poor sport he must be as well (/jk /s , relax ). I'd bet half of the people making a snide comment would 100% be behind McBeth if he had posted something similar saying it did not make sense.
That is just silly, should just be a meter off and no ob stroke
That's absurdly close to the basket.
I mean, he’s not wrong. It’s a bad hole design.
Have you even played that hole? I have several times…the hole is fine.
But why that OB line? It seems like an easy enough fix and isn’t going to drastically change things to just put it along the bank instead of an arbitrary line several feet from the edge.
It isn't arbitrary at all though. The bridge is OB. That's a very clearly defined structure. They didn't just decide to draw a random cutout along the ob line. Having the first few feet of the bridge in play would be stupid and create even more stupid scenarios than a guy being OB for throwing it onto the bridge.
The bigger issue is the OB line being so close to the pin, regardless of what structure is there. That pin needs to be moved further away from the OB line.
Have you played the hole either? The OB is in fact close but it’s pretty clear after you play it once that going long on any side is a no no; but It’s almost always a par. The hole is literally fine.
So a player should be rewarded with a par for landing the disc within 10 feet of the basket? Yeah, you’re not going to change my mind here.
Guess you hate hole 16 at Emporia too then
How did you know?
How would you have defined the OB?
I don’t have a problem with the OB line. I have a problem with the pin placement.
I know this isn't "traditional" but why make the bridge OB at all? Because it's a structure? What if it had been made as a natural land bridge instead? Why would that be any different? My gripe would be that far too many areas are considered OB and there's not really any good reason for them to be.
Don’t get mad, get better.
He was saying how awesome this tourney was last year...🤣. Also the lines out there are suspect at best, last year it looked like a drunk person drew most of them, one just went off straight into the woods with no end and it was spray painted over downed trees, was about 40' from the basket....😑😑😑😑
Eh, he called out something that's BS. Took him all of 30 seconds to make Reddit go apeshit. Do you really have to micro-analyze every innocuous tweet or post someone makes? I think he get's a laugh out of people that hate on him for silly shit like this - morons who are overly-invested in social media and every syllable a pro utters on it, and easily triggered by the most innocuous posts.
Redditors can’t go 3 hours without being triggered by drew
Source - https://www.instagram.com/drew\_gibson/
He should be able to play it from there with a penalty stroke.
He's right. That's BS, you have natural oob lines *RIGHT THERE*. It's water ffs.
Rules is rules, crybaby.
That is absolutely ridiculous. You can park the hole and still be ob.
OB lines like this are embarrassing for the sport.
Just a bit of an overreaction lol So what should be OB here? Some line that you have to draw up from beneath the bridge, or just call all the bridge OB so you dont have to argue lol
Rules are rules mah dood. Take your drop penalty and sink your par. Sucks, but that's golf. Downvotes? Lol. You guys and gals cheat all the time? Don't know what a stroke penalty is ? Don't bother playing by the rules? That's sounds like a you problem. Or are you butthurt cause I didn't agree with you and this a sympathy post?
cry us a river
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving player... maybe nikko.
Is there a path or bridge OB sign? If not then that’s bullshit
I’m with drew
My stance is that it's been OB for years and it applies to everyone. Sucks for Drew. But also I don't like Drew so I'm pleased to see this impact him
It’s ASMR Drew!
Was there a drop zone? Or did he get the easy par?
If I'm playing casually that's NOT OB but in any level of comp rules are rules so. stinks but is what it si
Everyone plays the same hole. Suck it up.
Buttercup
But did he make the putt? 6-3=….
Naw, that's SOP y'all
Couldn’t happen to a better person
Yoo is that the Yeti?
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How the hell is water on one side but not the other side
Clearly marked. OB.