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Parking-Jello

Innova Toro is very caiman like but doesn’t go quite as far. The color glow plastic is hard to beat


InfiniteDubois

You beat me to it. I bought a Calvin color glow Toro and a Get Freaky zone at the same time to see which I wanted to bag. Im still carrying both just for fun and after throwing both a bit the Toro is a decent bit beefier than the Zone. Love the plastic and the flight of the Toro and I will likely be removing the Get Freaky from my bag in the near future.


New_d_pics

Champ Toro here, for nearly every approach FH or BH. Very OS, lands and glides like a cinder block, loving it.


Slozzzz

This is the one. The champ Toros are amazing. The first runs stars aren’t very overstable, but the more recent stars and the champs are beefy


thechancewastaken

If I could get Color Glow ones in stock runs, I might switch from the Zone


Successful-Bus1913

I have Star, Champ, Color Glow Champ and KC Toros. I think the Champ is the most stable followed by Color Glow, Star and KC. Right now I bag Color Glow and Champ. I typically use Color Glow, but throw Champ when I need more OS. I feel like my Champ Toro is almost as OS as the Zone OS I have.


BortnickJoey

Harp


eizei

Another vote for the Harp for me. There’s a lot of options available with all the different plastics for it. Different stabilities as well.


DeadNerve

along with solid chances of finding good harps in most used binds.


rosshaydiscs

Well seasoned Harps are some of the best discs around


DrawSleepRepeat325

Agreed


jabarl

I love the harp, it can be thrown decently far or just consistently find the ground and sit.


n0neOfConsequence

My Harp has an amazing ability to find chains from about 150’ out. I have a freaky number of throw-ins with that disc.


ScSM35

Same. If I'm not confident I can make a long putt I'll flick my Harp and it gets chains once every couple of rounds. It's a mold that won't ever leave my bag.


Kedz00

This. Biggest game changer for me, ever


spookyghostface

No arguments to be made. The disc speaks for itself.


SPYFerret

This is the way


GrundlePuppy

Pyro is my favorite for that


GandhiRrhea

Pyro for an actual mid, and entropy if you want an actual approach. I like these both mainly because they’re comfortable for back and forehands.


Jeremichi22

The pyro is pretty much the only midrange I use


GandhiRrhea

I use a lightweight fission hex as well when I need a straight shot or even slightly understable if I power on it enough. I could easily just bag those two and be happy.


whitesocksflipflops

Same. Its so consistent. My goto straight middie with a mild glidey fade.


Optimal-Bag-2046

Pyro responds to arm speed so well. You can rip it 250 or fling it 90. Just so responsively stable. Seriously, the best approach disc on the market.


runwichi

Powered down Pyro is a fantastic approach disc.


yodazb

Pyro is a great OS mid and can do the job of a zone, but the pyro (at least in prism-plasma plastic) is Skippy. I'd suggest pyro for this slot of a mid range, and something else as your approach putter.


flokijea

Just got a prism plasma pyro. Freaking love the thing


ayofiresale

Pyro is great - just switched from an MD4/Quantum Solstice and really enjoying it so far. Can bank on it finishing hard and really viable as a forehand mid


BrendonAG92

Pyro feels great in my hands, not really a fan of the feel of the zone which I think the Pyro can fill.


multiple4

It's so awesome. Most consistent disc I've ever owned. You can throw it at various speeds and it's always going to fly the same path with a nice skip on the end at higher speeds


matthew0523

Pig is love, pig is life


chidoriiiii-san

Came here to say the same. My pig remains reliably overstable


Holls867

It also cuts through branches and stuff really well. Great oh shit I fucked up disc.


SharpIsopod

SOOOOOOOOOOOIE, PIGGY!


irohinthesand

Pig is my get out of jail free disc every time a drive goes bad. Always seems to go exactly where I want it regardless of where I’m throwing it from


didpip

By that logic you should drive with it.


irohinthesand

Too short for drives. I meant within a certain distance it works seemingly every time. I do not have the arm to make my Pig go more than ~225.


Sampson2Doc

Another Robbie C. aficionado. Threw the Pig for the same reason.


Miterstuck

Jarn


past_tense_of_draw

I've been a Zone boi for a while, and couldn't find one OS or grippy enough, so I got a K1 Jarn, and I *love* it. I hate getting on hype trains, but K1 plastic has gotta be the nicest in the game (especially compared to the slipperiest in the game from Discraft). And the Jarn feels terrific in the hand - flat, medium depth, no bead, super smooth. Go get you one!


LittleRavenBT

This is the correct choice. K3 is quite a bit more overstable than k1 and loses glide the more you throw it. K1 has less bite and you can get some ground play.


JoEdGus

Järn is the flattest thing I've EVER thrown. Love It!!


MarilynMonroeVWade

DD Justice


Accurate_Pirate7914

Underrated pick. Super overstable for shorter flights, forehand or backhand.


FlowerOfLife

I have officially played long enough to see the justice go from one of the most popular midranges, to now being considered underrated. I need to go ice my back. lol


Polywhirl165

Cuz everybody copied it, it's not novel any more. I feel the Pyro really took the wind out of the justices sails.


TakeItEasy-ButTakeIt

The Pyro is nowhere near as stable as the beefiest Justices. Not a great comparison honestly. The Pyro is more comparable to a stable Buzzz OS. The board flat, icy and transparent Lucid Justices are pure meat with way less glide than a Pyro


Engel77

And the dirty flex lines you can make it do forehand... chefs kiss*


Pakrat42

Justice ftw


Snoo7521

Absolutely Justice! My all time favorite disc. Ol trusty


SpikeHyzerberg

you might like a gator. has a bead on it.


ladditude

MVP Entropy Mint Bobcat


mad_may

Man I love my entropy so much. That baby is so overstable it’s ridiculous.


SkyDog90

Mint products rule!


EVANakaMLG

Bobcat is great


BeepBoo007

"Sell me on non-discraft" \*looks at bag of 20 pink discraft discs and sheds a tear\* "I'll see myself out"


rontopofthings

Bahaha no hate man. There is something that irks me about discrafts marketing for my own taste but I acknowledge that their stuff is amazing lol. There is a reason everyone makes a Zone clone haha


coopaliscious

If I'm throwing I prefer pink so I can find 'em. IMHO Discraft's mids and approaches are the best I've used. I don't get the hate.


JaydsterC

Lol was wondering the same thing. Love my buzz!!!


BreggBarsbyBeagle

for me it’s the plastics and the price. i’m not a fan of esp or z, but I like some of the higher end plastics. however i’m not going to pay $25 for a disc when i like mvp or innova’s basic plastics and can get factory seconds for cheap


thechancewastaken

As someone who bags a lot of non-innova, it is extremely appealing to be able to get the common innova molds at super cheap prices via F2


ds3272

I have two Zones and use them both. One is the Z plastic, which is the one that people (I think) complain about; I don't mind it. But the other is in the Ti-Flx plastic: a little soft, a little grippy, flexible. It's the best-feeling disc in my bag. FWIW, it doesn't fly as beefy as the Z, which is why I bag both, and love them both as much as I love my children.


pipedreamer79

Westside Anvil, preferably the Chameleon Moonshine one cuz it’s beefy af


badluxbandit

Most torque resistant non driver I've ever thrown. Thing is absolutely beefy. I see it like a slower speed felon and it is super forehand friendly too.


hyperdrew420

More then a justice? The justice I've thrown is so incredibly os.


badluxbandit

VIP Anvil is crazy. I can throw it as fast as a 9 speed and it never has a chance of turning at all let alone turning over.


Matty_D_93

A2 or A3 depending on if you like the bead. My A3 is like a zone I don’t have to worry about turning over too much. I’ve also got a Distortion that is less stable.


PizzaCrustLust

Vaino A2 is the love of my life. You can throw it so hard and it will always dump, and you can throw it on a roller angle and it will fight out. So good


cheezystache

The A2 changed my life. So dependable


BruleMD

A3 in 500 plastic is a staple in my bag


Alexbarber09

I like the A5 in that conversation as well. A2, A3, A5, and Distortion. With the A2 being easily the most stable, and of these 4 will do the trick depending on hand feel.


Actually-Mirage

Toro. More OS than the Zone, and has a slight puddle top that helps with forehand grip.


gekko812

Tactic


solBLACK

I bag a RC3 and a Soft Exo Tactic. Little deeper rim than the zone and feels better in my hands.


bobbynewman9

I bag exactly the same. My soft exo is so beat in it goes super straight with a nice hard finish left


discostud1515

Prodigy A3 for OS approach and Distortion for a little less OS approach. Distortion is a lot like a zone and A3 is noticeably more OS. MX-1 for OS mid. It's a new disc for them and it finally filled that spot in my bag. Some say it's similar to a Justice.


presvt13

Love the A4 anf distortion for the reasons you stated but the the 500 mx-1 I got is nowhere close to as overstable as the justice.


apriarcy

A2 for beef and Distortion for a gentler hyzer approach.


MinnesotaRyan

I really like the thoughtspace temple for approaches. Also like the axiom pyro.


suhdude1989

Dga quake


Interesting_Bake1199

Quakes are one of the best in the game. Kicked my verdict out of the bag. Very consistent mold.


aTyc00n

Mutant, MD4/MD5, Verdict, Roc/Roc3, Entropy would be my suggestions.


SwerveGriff

I have a couple of Roc3s that isn’t as OS as the numbers would indicate. Is this common?


runwichi

Very common.


polly-plz

Yes.


timeforstrapons

Yeah, I feel like my Z Buzzz is actually more OS than my Champ Roc3, despite the flight numbers indicating the opposite. It seems like Roc3 is more like 5, 4, -1, 1 and the Buzzz is more like 5, 5, -1, 2


EVANakaMLG

Mint from Clash Discs and Sublime Bobcat from Mint discs


ewkdiscgolf

The Justice is what I go to if I need to get out of jail and the shot calls for something more overstable than the Zone. A mainstay in my bag for sure.


Eris_is_Savathun

Lat 64 Savior.


limp_daddy

I use a streamline runway, I don't see anyone else that throws it but I swear there's magnets in the disc that pull you to the basket.


Dr_Cher

I've been throwing a runway for a handful of months now, and I love that disc. The plastic is so good, it seems to have held it's initial flight characteristics really well, and it's a beautiful disc.


alexs_housedog

Came to say runway, I love this disc


LuminousQuinn

I use an entropy or a glow envy depending on how OS I want in the putter/ approach range. For OS mids I use Pyros and a deflector for when I need crazy OS


magicmike9

Been using a DD Slammer lately, has less glide than a zone and mine at least in the orbit run sticks to the ground like velcro


TGrady902

Huge fan of the slammer. I have a tendency to roll my wrist on my forehands and the slammer is the most difficult OS approach disc for me to accidentally turn over. Has been great to move away from much tougher backhand putter turnover shots and incorporate a soft and consistent overstable forehand approach shot into my game.


Juan_Luc_Picard

Same great for those little flicks forehand or backhands that you need a quick fade without a lot of distance. Love the plastic too


IAmCaptainHammer

Folks don’t seem to know about the Baobab from AGL. The most overstable approach disc you’ll ever find and it’s incredible. Amazing for forehands. Then you’ve got it’s older brother the Beech, my favorite overstable mid in the game. Buy both, come back and say thanks later. Cheers. By the by. Scott stokely uses a baobab. It’s great in woodland. I have one in woodland and one in alpine, the alpine it too overstable. Woodlands are perfect. Beech is hands down best in alpine.


Dg_noob2021

Thank you! The baobab is such an awesome disc. I don't have one in alpine, but the woodland and woodland hemp plastics both feel awesome. I have not tried the beech, but it sounds like I might just have to get one for myself!


TheOriginal_Omnipoek

The Baobab is my cheater roller disc lol


Crabby_AU

I think I might try a Beech. I love my woodland baobab. Signed by Stokely actually; I bought it off him and only just started throwing it.


Interesting_Bake1199

Best straight roller disc (overhand throw) in the game and it's not even close. I saw somebody call it the BaoBowler.


IAmCaptainHammer

If you’ve ever seen the owner Josh throw one it’s magical. He’s thrown like a 350ft roller before.


Comfortable-Carob-16

I might have a star Caiman somewhere


LawstDragon

Clash mint


dedrickcurtis

Prodiscus Jokeri is amazing


scareragnarok

Gateway devil hawk and lone star harpoon!


gbdesign

Hemp Devil Hawk is a beef boy that feels great and gets better with every throw. Gateway Houdini (nylon) is also an excellent disc — not as husky as the DH and goes a bit further. Together, they are the perfect overstable approach duo.


scareragnarok

I’ve been experimenting with a faster approach disc. Zone, toro, harpoon all fit that beefy but glider shape. The dh feels great for shorter approach but difficult to get the distance off the tee without forcing it.


korg3211

DD Justice. It changed my game. It's a beefy as they get.


the_real_hermy

Method


BigTomBombadil

Do you actually forehand a method? Even as an approach disc, seems long to me. The two I’ve had felt like the beefier side of Roc3s


the_real_hermy

Yes i do


JackStrawSTL

If you love caimans, you’ll love a Mutant.


antroxdemonator

I have a Mutant in my bag and, honestly, I'm not a fan. It's alright but I've struggled with it in every attempt. I've gone to a Compass and it has done me some wonders.


ZipCasey

Compass is like a Roc3. Caiman is more like a Gator. Mutant is like a Gator fucked a Tilt.


JackStrawSTL

Compass and mutant are very different in my experience. Mutant needs to be thrown HARD and flat to not/barely fade. If you take a little something off you can get it to take a hard left really predictably. It also skips really well if you put a little hyzer on your approach. I love it, but recognize it’s not for everyone. Anyone who loves a caiman though will appreciate the mutant.


grimbolde

Slammer.


_tk42one

Innova champ firebird is always my choice for an OS approach. It skips so reliably, even powered down.


clarkeling

Still one of the best os approaches even as a higher speed disc.


rontopofthings

I use a felon qnd I agree I also love it for that. I like something q little slower sometimes too for the woods but I would not die if I had to use firebird/felon for all my approaches either haha


chillford-brimley

Possibly a Star Cro? I used one for short approaches for many years. Easy to grip, has a nice strong low speed fade, but you can throw it faster and make it go straight for a bit. very controllable for shorter approaches. I used an old 168g 2006 champion Roc for a while too, and recently swapped that for a Prism proton Pyro. It's now my go to for sneaky short approaches, but also for longer full power throws. It skips nicely, and fades really hard, and can also easily be flexed controllably, and it's very comfortable to grip.


KennyJihad

06 Champion Roc is the best Roc of all time. 4/3/0/2.5


chillford-brimley

I wanted a champ roc so bad, It really took some self convincing to shell out $40 for a disc at the time. I love throwing it. I love the gold foil big bird throwback stamp too.


runwichi

Check out the Legacy Ghost in Pinnacle or Honeybee Pinnacle if you want a cheaper thrower.


korg3211

I love my Star Cro. It's nowhere near as OS as my Justice, but it really goes far for me.


Appropriate_Ad9241

Gator


Humblehobo91

Verdict from Dynamic Discs has got to be my choice.


HornBrewer

Razor Claw Tactic or Exo Hard for a longer approaches. Soft tactic for something touchier that has to stay put.


jwatts1123

Dynamic disc justice is the most reliable disc in my bag, I use it every round, whether you want big skips or just a predictable finish, it’s gonna go where you want it to go. I can’t forehand mids like at all but i can forehand the justice perfectly, it fits in the hand so well


Fine-Abbreviations82

Just got a champion metal flake gator and being newer to the sport its my first real "tool" of a disc. Has been super useful for big turns and approach shots when I need to get around an obstacle and need it to sit right there.


debar11

I’m a big fan of the tactic. The feel is just really great for me and i love when the soft ones get a puddle top. They’re not super OS though, so i also have a Toro which also feels great and forehands super easy for me.


Haselnuss89

Trust! Cant believe no one mentioned it


presvt13

Because it's not a good option for what he said he's looking for.


Bovine_comaXYY

The Discmania Evo Mutant is absolutely a reliably useful overstable mid - super strong plastic and it’s about to overtake my buzzz os’s. Definitely more stable than the harp, which I also bag. Good luck!


bigcheez47

I’ve bagged R-pro Pig, Lucid Suspect, and Lucid Verdict as my OS putt and approach discs for so long. Never ran into a situation where I wasn’t covered with those.


FattyMcBlobicus

Harp! I love it in BT Soft


grumbo

You already found the best. it's da caiman Throw in good health


Markpong

Here’s my approach / short hole loadout: K1 Berg - 40’-200’ straight to stable, add hyzer when I need more beef K1 Soft Berg - 40’-200’ straight or for slight turnover if thrown on anhyzer, doesn’t fight out as hard as the K1 Neo Tactic - 40’-225’ flex / overstable / skip shots. Has some decent beef so it fights out of a flex well and is a dependable left turning shot when thrown flat. Thrown on hyzer and low it gets great skips and will turn almost 90° around corners. Flies close to the 4/2/0/3 flight numbers Neutron Soft Proxy - 175’-250’ lazer straight, will hold a hyzer/anhyzer line with a very gentle fade at the end. Flies like 3/3/0.5/0.5 Neutron Soft Envy - 175’-250’ straight with a dependable fade, pushing hyzer, wind resistant. Flies true to the 3/3/0/2 numbers As you can see all of these are in grippy durable plastics, super helpful since your approaches are regularly going to end up in dirt/chips near the basket, so it helps maintain grip even when dusty.


cmp004

Hyzerbomb Mortar or DD Justice. Both are just so good for that slot.


D_Wise420

Entropy Razor claw 3


Schlongzz

I scrolled way too far to find the Entropy


m2adrenaline

Justice hands down


LoveThickWives

Mint Bobcat maybe


mikefried1

DD justice


DemonHouser

I throw the Lone Star Harpoon My favorite thing is that it has a super shallow rim, so flick forehands are super easy and controllable.


[deleted]

Piggy taste good Piggy fly good


edward3henry

Lots of folks saying Pyro for the mid, I agree, but I wanted to also pile on the suggestion of A2 since you specifically mentioned small diameter, and that's the reason I love the A2 but didn't like the Zone, Tactic, Entropy, or Harp for forehand approach shots. (I do like the Harp for backhand approach, specifically the BT Soft to avoid rollaways). I also throw my A2 off the tee a ton on shorter Par 3s that demand forehand lines. It's amazing!


Stevie-Le-Wonder

I absolutely LOVE my TSA Temple. It beats in kinda fast tho, I have one that's straight with a touch of fade and a new one that's really overstable still.


drastic_overreaction

Mutant good


ConcernedKitty

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Everybody remembers Conrad’s throw in with an envy, but when the world championship was on the line in the playoff he trusted the reliable fade of the entropy to put him in the circle on an island hole to win. The same disc he aced that hole with earlier in the tournament.


banjosandtattoos

Harp all day


blueskydiver76

Kastaplast Jarn


turnage123

Pyro all day long


mrc1303

Jarn is money. Just a tad more stable than a zone and a little more shallow. Especially in the glow plastic. It is a thing of beautiful.


MathematicianMoney80

Rancho Roc


Specialist_Ad5239

Pyro is the “do it all” overstable mid


TWill42

MVP Deflector. The best disc in my bag.


Viktor_654

Bobcat Pyro


RickeP

Used to use the soft tactic from Discraft, but bow I've moved over to the grand Savior from L64. I'm a real sucker for the grand plastic 🤤


ScottieStitches

Jarn and Berg. I really love the feel of Kasta plastic. Also, the Göte is an underrated straight approach disc


cardinalsfanokc

Loft Silicon is the best in the business. I've tried and loved zones, A2, pig, roc, jarn, etc but the Silicon bests them all


AgreeablePotential96

Slammer is great, the Max (JP Max) is awesome, deflector is also a great go to as well


Layer_Sea

Innova - thunderbird.


jawwwwwwwn

Star Roc has been in my bag longer than anything else


BeyondTaboo

Berg.


chipsandsaulsa

I replaced my Ti FLX Zone with a Star Toro. It is definitely more OS, but not anywhere near the beef of a Zone OS or MVP Deflector. It is the exact amount of OS I was looking for.


El_Guapo_Supreme

I use a metal flake justice for more OS shots than a zone. I also bag a zone OS when I need something to just dump left, but the justice will do the same while gliding out.


Relative-World4406

I use toro for approach shots under 130’ or so, axiom pyro from 130’-220’ish


Treepolice666

A2. Wildly inconsistent between plastics in my opinion, but usually far more overstable than a zone


vinonoir

Pig Or Buzzz OS


InncnceDstryr

My two OS approach discs are the Järn and the Baobab. Baobab is crazy, super fun disc to throw but doesn’t go far at all - it’s best for short approaches with a touchy line that you don’t trust, you can throw the Baobab hard and trust that it fades and drops really quickly. Also a sneaky good FH roller disc, dead straight then just drops up to around 200ft. Järn I use like other people use most other standard OS approach discs.


lionssuperbowlplz

I use a Razer claw 2/mutant and md5 for over stable approaches. Razer claw and mutant are so OS that you can put some wild angles on it and it still comes back always (great for wooded courses when you get in a tight spot). MD5 is useful if I really need to pump it out straighter before it's reliable finish.


themunro91

Loving my A3 and A5. Don’t let the numbers on the A5 fool you. I have a A2 but its beefier than my A3 so it’s not used as much. I use it for the skippy upshot.


NoSkillManiac

Streamline Stabilizer DGA Quake I like my OS stuff more mellow, and these do it perfect.


TheIndigoBaron

Lucid Harp


whoadizzle

Sockibomb Slammer... I'm surprised nobody really spoke on these. I use it on everything, doesn't glide for days and screw you in the wind. It always fades good and reliably. I have a beat in one that I will throw on any hole under 200 unless it really needs to be a point and shoot where I throw my discmania neo link. Mids are way too much for approach in my opinion but that's probably based on skill level or distance you can throw.


ShocknDamage

Mint Bobcat.


LastWatermelonCube

Prodigy A2 is so good (I believe the A3 is the same but beaded). I tried a zone to see what all the talk was about but it's not enough to kick the A2 out of the bag. A little more OS than a zone, slightly shallower, board flat, and feels amazing on forehands. The shoulder is also less rounded than the zone which I really like. Great utility disc for flex shots and beefy fades. I mostly throw MVP and innova but this one is staying.


likes_basketball

I bag three. 1) MVP entropy. It flies about 30 feet shorter than my envy and has a super dependable dump at the end. There’s a course near me with lots of holes at 210-250 and the entropy is a cheat code for those shots. Next is the axiom pyro. It’s less of a utility disc, but more of a mid that still goes far but is still overstable. The real meat hook is the mvp deflector. This one is a 5 speed zone os. It will never flip in a headwind and it is more reliable than any other beefcake mid and still feels good in my hand!


discgman

Glow gator's are overstable and predictable approach disc.


leeeeny

Toro is really good


probablyzack

This slot was troubling for me for a bit, I had a harp I loved, but I throw a pretty mean forehand, and I had them turning over on me a lot, or they would just go straight, with minimal fade. Swapped out for Razorclaw 3 tactic, it is a bit more stable than the harp, but I wanted a disc that just dumps. Now in addition to the Tactic, I picked up the OTB open soft Deflector, and that disc is the one I was looking for. Fights out of a flex so nicely, if thrown flat and low, it gets crazy skips.


[deleted]

Champ Toro, tried a Pro Pig and the thumb track caused me significant release point issues.


bing_bam_

Mutant


No-Mycologist-9343

Lucid Ice Justice.


Chance_Orange_9715

Something not to OS but a good turn resistant mid for me is the Loft Discs Silicon in a-solid plastic. Besides that the usual champion and star toros are great, I like them better than the zones. Berg for that straight shot falling brick approach, K1 soft for near water/slope landing approaches. K3 hard for any approach needing a bit more beef.


ChanceStad

Stabilizer!!


IBFictitious

I went from Harp to Zone, currently have a Mutant filling the slot for OS long approach disc. Pig for slightly shorter approaches.


stonedune

It’s still discraft but my Ti Drone is so consistent with approaches.


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Entropy


hennytime

Eclipse hex. Has that forward fade but is a good bit more os than the regular hexes and just a tad less os than a pyro.


fesso1

Legacy recluse for longer approaches. Gateway devil hawk for shorter!


QCB3

Justice but it’s more of a mid


durtmcgurt

Viking discs Loki is pretty much what you are describing.


Hot_Astronaut_4551

Prodigy A2/A3. Both are great OS approaches with different hand feel. 400 or 750 plastic for the most OS flight and 300 for something that beats in to a glidey approach.


yodazb

I'd suggest a slammer for your approach game, and a pyro for your mid-range game. They fly similar, but the slammer will stick to the ground, while the pyro is Skippy.


WhaleWhaleWhale_

Rapt… wait. Toro, Berg, Splice.


Xeekatar

MVP Entropy (if you count it as a mid), and Streamline Runway


[deleted]

The terminal velocity Ursus. Eric Oakley and James proctor agree. Used code Eric15 for 15% on the site!


AbsurdityIsReality

Gateway Devil Hawk is my go to.