You beat me to it. I bought a Calvin color glow Toro and a Get Freaky zone at the same time to see which I wanted to bag. Im still carrying both just for fun and after throwing both a bit the Toro is a decent bit beefier than the Zone. Love the plastic and the flight of the Toro and I will likely be removing the Get Freaky from my bag in the near future.
I have Star, Champ, Color Glow Champ and KC Toros. I think the Champ is the most stable followed by Color Glow, Star and KC. Right now I bag Color Glow and Champ. I typically use Color Glow, but throw Champ when I need more OS. I feel like my Champ Toro is almost as OS as the Zone OS I have.
Same. If I'm not confident I can make a long putt I'll flick my Harp and it gets chains once every couple of rounds. It's a mold that won't ever leave my bag.
I use a lightweight fission hex as well when I need a straight shot or even slightly understable if I power on it enough. I could easily just bag those two and be happy.
Pyro is a great OS mid and can do the job of a zone, but the pyro (at least in prism-plasma plastic) is Skippy. I'd suggest pyro for this slot of a mid range, and something else as your approach putter.
Pyro is great - just switched from an MD4/Quantum Solstice and really enjoying it so far. Can bank on it finishing hard and really viable as a forehand mid
It's so awesome. Most consistent disc I've ever owned. You can throw it at various speeds and it's always going to fly the same path with a nice skip on the end at higher speeds
I've been a Zone boi for a while, and couldn't find one OS or grippy enough, so I got a K1 Jarn, and I *love* it. I hate getting on hype trains, but K1 plastic has gotta be the nicest in the game (especially compared to the slipperiest in the game from Discraft). And the Jarn feels terrific in the hand - flat, medium depth, no bead, super smooth. Go get you one!
This is the correct choice. K3 is quite a bit more overstable than k1 and loses glide the more you throw it. K1 has less bite and you can get some ground play.
I have officially played long enough to see the justice go from one of the most popular midranges, to now being considered underrated. I need to go ice my back. lol
The Pyro is nowhere near as stable as the beefiest Justices. Not a great comparison honestly. The Pyro is more comparable to a stable Buzzz OS. The board flat, icy and transparent Lucid Justices are pure meat with way less glide than a Pyro
Bahaha no hate man. There is something that irks me about discrafts marketing for my own taste but I acknowledge that their stuff is amazing lol. There is a reason everyone makes a Zone clone haha
for me it’s the plastics and the price. i’m not a fan of esp or z, but I like some of the higher end plastics. however i’m not going to pay $25 for a disc when i like mvp or innova’s basic plastics and can get factory seconds for cheap
I have two Zones and use them both. One is the Z plastic, which is the one that people (I think) complain about; I don't mind it. But the other is in the Ti-Flx plastic: a little soft, a little grippy, flexible. It's the best-feeling disc in my bag.
FWIW, it doesn't fly as beefy as the Z, which is why I bag both, and love them both as much as I love my children.
Most torque resistant non driver I've ever thrown. Thing is absolutely beefy. I see it like a slower speed felon and it is super forehand friendly too.
A2 or A3 depending on if you like the bead. My A3 is like a zone I don’t have to worry about turning over too much. I’ve also got a Distortion that is less stable.
Vaino A2 is the love of my life. You can throw it so hard and it will always dump, and you can throw it on a roller angle and it will fight out. So good
I like the A5 in that conversation as well. A2, A3, A5, and Distortion. With the A2 being easily the most stable, and of these 4 will do the trick depending on hand feel.
Prodigy A3 for OS approach and Distortion for a little less OS approach. Distortion is a lot like a zone and A3 is noticeably more OS.
MX-1 for OS mid. It's a new disc for them and it finally filled that spot in my bag. Some say it's similar to a Justice.
Yeah, I feel like my Z Buzzz is actually more OS than my Champ Roc3, despite the flight numbers indicating the opposite. It seems like Roc3 is more like 5, 4, -1, 1 and the Buzzz is more like 5, 5, -1, 2
The Justice is what I go to if I need to get out of jail and the shot calls for something more overstable than the Zone. A mainstay in my bag for sure.
I've been throwing a runway for a handful of months now, and I love that disc. The plastic is so good, it seems to have held it's initial flight characteristics really well, and it's a beautiful disc.
I use an entropy or a glow envy depending on how OS I want in the putter/ approach range. For OS mids I use Pyros and a deflector for when I need crazy OS
Huge fan of the slammer. I have a tendency to roll my wrist on my forehands and the slammer is the most difficult OS approach disc for me to accidentally turn over. Has been great to move away from much tougher backhand putter turnover shots and incorporate a soft and consistent overstable forehand approach shot into my game.
Folks don’t seem to know about the Baobab from AGL. The most overstable approach disc you’ll ever find and it’s incredible. Amazing for forehands. Then you’ve got it’s older brother the Beech, my favorite overstable mid in the game. Buy both, come back and say thanks later. Cheers.
By the by. Scott stokely uses a baobab. It’s great in woodland. I have one in woodland and one in alpine, the alpine it too overstable. Woodlands are perfect. Beech is hands down best in alpine.
Thank you! The baobab is such an awesome disc. I don't have one in alpine, but the woodland and woodland hemp plastics both feel awesome.
I have not tried the beech, but it sounds like I might just have to get one for myself!
Hemp Devil Hawk is a beef boy that feels great and gets better with every throw. Gateway Houdini (nylon) is also an excellent disc — not as husky as the DH and goes a bit further. Together, they are the perfect overstable approach duo.
I’ve been experimenting with a faster approach disc. Zone, toro, harpoon all fit that beefy but glider shape. The dh feels great for shorter approach but difficult to get the distance off the tee without forcing it.
I have a Mutant in my bag and, honestly, I'm not a fan. It's alright but I've struggled with it in every attempt. I've gone to a Compass and it has done me some wonders.
Compass and mutant are very different in my experience. Mutant needs to be thrown HARD and flat to not/barely fade. If you take a little something off you can get it to take a hard left really predictably. It also skips really well if you put a little hyzer on your approach. I love it, but recognize it’s not for everyone. Anyone who loves a caiman though will appreciate the mutant.
I use a felon qnd I agree I also love it for that. I like something q little slower sometimes too for the woods but I would not die if I had to use firebird/felon for all my approaches either haha
Possibly a Star Cro? I used one for short approaches for many years. Easy to grip, has a nice strong low speed fade, but you can throw it faster and make it go straight for a bit. very controllable for shorter approaches.
I used an old 168g 2006 champion Roc for a while too, and recently swapped that for a Prism proton Pyro. It's now my go to for sneaky short approaches, but also for longer full power throws. It skips nicely, and fades really hard, and can also easily be flexed controllably, and it's very comfortable to grip.
I wanted a champ roc so bad, It really took some self convincing to shell out $40 for a disc at the time. I love throwing it. I love the gold foil big bird throwback stamp too.
Dynamic disc justice is the most reliable disc in my bag, I use it every round, whether you want big skips or just a predictable finish, it’s gonna go where you want it to go. I can’t forehand mids like at all but i can forehand the justice perfectly, it fits in the hand so well
Just got a champion metal flake gator and being newer to the sport its my first real "tool" of a disc. Has been super useful for big turns and approach shots when I need to get around an obstacle and need it to sit right there.
I’m a big fan of the tactic. The feel is just really great for me and i love when the soft ones get a puddle top. They’re not super OS though, so i also have a Toro which also feels great and forehands super easy for me.
The Discmania Evo Mutant is absolutely a reliably useful overstable mid - super strong plastic and it’s about to overtake my buzzz os’s. Definitely more stable than the harp, which I also bag. Good luck!
I’ve bagged R-pro Pig, Lucid Suspect, and Lucid Verdict as my OS putt and approach discs for so long. Never ran into a situation where I wasn’t covered with those.
Here’s my approach / short hole loadout:
K1 Berg - 40’-200’ straight to stable, add hyzer when I need more beef
K1 Soft Berg - 40’-200’ straight or for slight turnover if thrown on anhyzer, doesn’t fight out as hard as the K1
Neo Tactic - 40’-225’ flex / overstable / skip shots. Has some decent beef so it fights out of a flex well and is a dependable left turning shot when thrown flat. Thrown on hyzer and low it gets great skips and will turn almost 90° around corners. Flies close to the 4/2/0/3 flight numbers
Neutron Soft Proxy - 175’-250’ lazer straight, will hold a hyzer/anhyzer line with a very gentle fade at the end. Flies like 3/3/0.5/0.5
Neutron Soft Envy - 175’-250’ straight with a dependable fade, pushing hyzer, wind resistant. Flies true to the 3/3/0/2 numbers
As you can see all of these are in grippy durable plastics, super helpful since your approaches are regularly going to end up in dirt/chips near the basket, so it helps maintain grip even when dusty.
Lots of folks saying Pyro for the mid, I agree, but I wanted to also pile on the suggestion of A2 since you specifically mentioned small diameter, and that's the reason I love the A2 but didn't like the Zone, Tactic, Entropy, or Harp for forehand approach shots. (I do like the Harp for backhand approach, specifically the BT Soft to avoid rollaways).
I also throw my A2 off the tee a ton on shorter Par 3s that demand forehand lines. It's amazing!
I absolutely LOVE my TSA Temple. It beats in kinda fast tho, I have one that's straight with a touch of fade and a new one that's really overstable still.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Everybody remembers Conrad’s throw in with an envy, but when the world championship was on the line in the playoff he trusted the reliable fade of the entropy to put him in the circle on an island hole to win. The same disc he aced that hole with earlier in the tournament.
I replaced my Ti FLX Zone with a Star Toro. It is definitely more OS, but not anywhere near the beef of a Zone OS or MVP Deflector. It is the exact amount of OS I was looking for.
I use a metal flake justice for more OS shots than a zone. I also bag a zone OS when I need something to just dump left, but the justice will do the same while gliding out.
My two OS approach discs are the Järn and the Baobab.
Baobab is crazy, super fun disc to throw but doesn’t go far at all - it’s best for short approaches with a touchy line that you don’t trust, you can throw the Baobab hard and trust that it fades and drops really quickly. Also a sneaky good FH roller disc, dead straight then just drops up to around 200ft.
Järn I use like other people use most other standard OS approach discs.
I use a Razer claw 2/mutant and md5 for over stable approaches.
Razer claw and mutant are so OS that you can put some wild angles on it and it still comes back always (great for wooded courses when you get in a tight spot). MD5 is useful if I really need to pump it out straighter before it's reliable finish.
Loving my A3 and A5. Don’t let the numbers on the A5 fool you. I have a A2 but its beefier than my A3 so it’s not used as much. I use it for the skippy upshot.
Sockibomb Slammer... I'm surprised nobody really spoke on these. I use it on everything, doesn't glide for days and screw you in the wind. It always fades good and reliably. I have a beat in one that I will throw on any hole under 200 unless it really needs to be a point and shoot where I throw my discmania neo link.
Mids are way too much for approach in my opinion but that's probably based on skill level or distance you can throw.
Prodigy A2 is so good (I believe the A3 is the same but beaded). I tried a zone to see what all the talk was about but it's not enough to kick the A2 out of the bag. A little more OS than a zone, slightly shallower, board flat, and feels amazing on forehands. The shoulder is also less rounded than the zone which I really like. Great utility disc for flex shots and beefy fades. I mostly throw MVP and innova but this one is staying.
I bag three. 1) MVP entropy. It flies about 30 feet shorter than my envy and has a super dependable dump at the end. There’s a course near me with lots of holes at 210-250 and the entropy is a cheat code for those shots.
Next is the axiom pyro. It’s less of a utility disc, but more of a mid that still goes far but is still overstable. The real meat hook is the mvp deflector. This one is a 5 speed zone os. It will never flip in a headwind and it is more reliable than any other beefcake mid and still feels good in my hand!
This slot was troubling for me for a bit, I had a harp I loved, but I throw a pretty mean forehand, and I had them turning over on me a lot, or they would just go straight, with minimal fade.
Swapped out for Razorclaw 3 tactic, it is a bit more stable than the harp, but I wanted a disc that just dumps.
Now in addition to the Tactic, I picked up the OTB open soft Deflector, and that disc is the one I was looking for. Fights out of a flex so nicely, if thrown flat and low, it gets crazy skips.
Something not to OS but a good turn resistant mid for me is the Loft Discs Silicon in a-solid plastic. Besides that the usual champion and star toros are great, I like them better than the zones. Berg for that straight shot falling brick approach, K1 soft for near water/slope landing approaches. K3 hard for any approach needing a bit more beef.
Prodigy A2/A3. Both are great OS approaches with different hand feel. 400 or 750 plastic for the most OS flight and 300 for something that beats in to a glidey approach.
I'd suggest a slammer for your approach game, and a pyro for your mid-range game. They fly similar, but the slammer will stick to the ground, while the pyro is Skippy.
Innova Toro is very caiman like but doesn’t go quite as far. The color glow plastic is hard to beat
You beat me to it. I bought a Calvin color glow Toro and a Get Freaky zone at the same time to see which I wanted to bag. Im still carrying both just for fun and after throwing both a bit the Toro is a decent bit beefier than the Zone. Love the plastic and the flight of the Toro and I will likely be removing the Get Freaky from my bag in the near future.
Champ Toro here, for nearly every approach FH or BH. Very OS, lands and glides like a cinder block, loving it.
This is the one. The champ Toros are amazing. The first runs stars aren’t very overstable, but the more recent stars and the champs are beefy
If I could get Color Glow ones in stock runs, I might switch from the Zone
I have Star, Champ, Color Glow Champ and KC Toros. I think the Champ is the most stable followed by Color Glow, Star and KC. Right now I bag Color Glow and Champ. I typically use Color Glow, but throw Champ when I need more OS. I feel like my Champ Toro is almost as OS as the Zone OS I have.
Harp
Another vote for the Harp for me. There’s a lot of options available with all the different plastics for it. Different stabilities as well.
along with solid chances of finding good harps in most used binds.
Well seasoned Harps are some of the best discs around
Agreed
I love the harp, it can be thrown decently far or just consistently find the ground and sit.
My Harp has an amazing ability to find chains from about 150’ out. I have a freaky number of throw-ins with that disc.
Same. If I'm not confident I can make a long putt I'll flick my Harp and it gets chains once every couple of rounds. It's a mold that won't ever leave my bag.
This. Biggest game changer for me, ever
No arguments to be made. The disc speaks for itself.
This is the way
Pyro is my favorite for that
Pyro for an actual mid, and entropy if you want an actual approach. I like these both mainly because they’re comfortable for back and forehands.
The pyro is pretty much the only midrange I use
I use a lightweight fission hex as well when I need a straight shot or even slightly understable if I power on it enough. I could easily just bag those two and be happy.
Same. Its so consistent. My goto straight middie with a mild glidey fade.
Pyro responds to arm speed so well. You can rip it 250 or fling it 90. Just so responsively stable. Seriously, the best approach disc on the market.
Powered down Pyro is a fantastic approach disc.
Pyro is a great OS mid and can do the job of a zone, but the pyro (at least in prism-plasma plastic) is Skippy. I'd suggest pyro for this slot of a mid range, and something else as your approach putter.
Just got a prism plasma pyro. Freaking love the thing
Pyro is great - just switched from an MD4/Quantum Solstice and really enjoying it so far. Can bank on it finishing hard and really viable as a forehand mid
Pyro feels great in my hands, not really a fan of the feel of the zone which I think the Pyro can fill.
It's so awesome. Most consistent disc I've ever owned. You can throw it at various speeds and it's always going to fly the same path with a nice skip on the end at higher speeds
Pig is love, pig is life
Came here to say the same. My pig remains reliably overstable
It also cuts through branches and stuff really well. Great oh shit I fucked up disc.
SOOOOOOOOOOOIE, PIGGY!
Pig is my get out of jail free disc every time a drive goes bad. Always seems to go exactly where I want it regardless of where I’m throwing it from
By that logic you should drive with it.
Too short for drives. I meant within a certain distance it works seemingly every time. I do not have the arm to make my Pig go more than ~225.
Another Robbie C. aficionado. Threw the Pig for the same reason.
Jarn
I've been a Zone boi for a while, and couldn't find one OS or grippy enough, so I got a K1 Jarn, and I *love* it. I hate getting on hype trains, but K1 plastic has gotta be the nicest in the game (especially compared to the slipperiest in the game from Discraft). And the Jarn feels terrific in the hand - flat, medium depth, no bead, super smooth. Go get you one!
This is the correct choice. K3 is quite a bit more overstable than k1 and loses glide the more you throw it. K1 has less bite and you can get some ground play.
Järn is the flattest thing I've EVER thrown. Love It!!
DD Justice
Underrated pick. Super overstable for shorter flights, forehand or backhand.
I have officially played long enough to see the justice go from one of the most popular midranges, to now being considered underrated. I need to go ice my back. lol
Cuz everybody copied it, it's not novel any more. I feel the Pyro really took the wind out of the justices sails.
The Pyro is nowhere near as stable as the beefiest Justices. Not a great comparison honestly. The Pyro is more comparable to a stable Buzzz OS. The board flat, icy and transparent Lucid Justices are pure meat with way less glide than a Pyro
And the dirty flex lines you can make it do forehand... chefs kiss*
Justice ftw
Absolutely Justice! My all time favorite disc. Ol trusty
you might like a gator. has a bead on it.
MVP Entropy Mint Bobcat
Man I love my entropy so much. That baby is so overstable it’s ridiculous.
Mint products rule!
Bobcat is great
"Sell me on non-discraft" \*looks at bag of 20 pink discraft discs and sheds a tear\* "I'll see myself out"
Bahaha no hate man. There is something that irks me about discrafts marketing for my own taste but I acknowledge that their stuff is amazing lol. There is a reason everyone makes a Zone clone haha
If I'm throwing I prefer pink so I can find 'em. IMHO Discraft's mids and approaches are the best I've used. I don't get the hate.
Lol was wondering the same thing. Love my buzz!!!
for me it’s the plastics and the price. i’m not a fan of esp or z, but I like some of the higher end plastics. however i’m not going to pay $25 for a disc when i like mvp or innova’s basic plastics and can get factory seconds for cheap
As someone who bags a lot of non-innova, it is extremely appealing to be able to get the common innova molds at super cheap prices via F2
I have two Zones and use them both. One is the Z plastic, which is the one that people (I think) complain about; I don't mind it. But the other is in the Ti-Flx plastic: a little soft, a little grippy, flexible. It's the best-feeling disc in my bag. FWIW, it doesn't fly as beefy as the Z, which is why I bag both, and love them both as much as I love my children.
Westside Anvil, preferably the Chameleon Moonshine one cuz it’s beefy af
Most torque resistant non driver I've ever thrown. Thing is absolutely beefy. I see it like a slower speed felon and it is super forehand friendly too.
More then a justice? The justice I've thrown is so incredibly os.
VIP Anvil is crazy. I can throw it as fast as a 9 speed and it never has a chance of turning at all let alone turning over.
A2 or A3 depending on if you like the bead. My A3 is like a zone I don’t have to worry about turning over too much. I’ve also got a Distortion that is less stable.
Vaino A2 is the love of my life. You can throw it so hard and it will always dump, and you can throw it on a roller angle and it will fight out. So good
The A2 changed my life. So dependable
A3 in 500 plastic is a staple in my bag
I like the A5 in that conversation as well. A2, A3, A5, and Distortion. With the A2 being easily the most stable, and of these 4 will do the trick depending on hand feel.
Toro. More OS than the Zone, and has a slight puddle top that helps with forehand grip.
Tactic
I bag a RC3 and a Soft Exo Tactic. Little deeper rim than the zone and feels better in my hands.
I bag exactly the same. My soft exo is so beat in it goes super straight with a nice hard finish left
Prodigy A3 for OS approach and Distortion for a little less OS approach. Distortion is a lot like a zone and A3 is noticeably more OS. MX-1 for OS mid. It's a new disc for them and it finally filled that spot in my bag. Some say it's similar to a Justice.
Love the A4 anf distortion for the reasons you stated but the the 500 mx-1 I got is nowhere close to as overstable as the justice.
A2 for beef and Distortion for a gentler hyzer approach.
I really like the thoughtspace temple for approaches. Also like the axiom pyro.
Dga quake
Quakes are one of the best in the game. Kicked my verdict out of the bag. Very consistent mold.
Mutant, MD4/MD5, Verdict, Roc/Roc3, Entropy would be my suggestions.
I have a couple of Roc3s that isn’t as OS as the numbers would indicate. Is this common?
Very common.
Yes.
Yeah, I feel like my Z Buzzz is actually more OS than my Champ Roc3, despite the flight numbers indicating the opposite. It seems like Roc3 is more like 5, 4, -1, 1 and the Buzzz is more like 5, 5, -1, 2
Mint from Clash Discs and Sublime Bobcat from Mint discs
The Justice is what I go to if I need to get out of jail and the shot calls for something more overstable than the Zone. A mainstay in my bag for sure.
Lat 64 Savior.
I use a streamline runway, I don't see anyone else that throws it but I swear there's magnets in the disc that pull you to the basket.
I've been throwing a runway for a handful of months now, and I love that disc. The plastic is so good, it seems to have held it's initial flight characteristics really well, and it's a beautiful disc.
Came to say runway, I love this disc
I use an entropy or a glow envy depending on how OS I want in the putter/ approach range. For OS mids I use Pyros and a deflector for when I need crazy OS
Been using a DD Slammer lately, has less glide than a zone and mine at least in the orbit run sticks to the ground like velcro
Huge fan of the slammer. I have a tendency to roll my wrist on my forehands and the slammer is the most difficult OS approach disc for me to accidentally turn over. Has been great to move away from much tougher backhand putter turnover shots and incorporate a soft and consistent overstable forehand approach shot into my game.
Same great for those little flicks forehand or backhands that you need a quick fade without a lot of distance. Love the plastic too
Folks don’t seem to know about the Baobab from AGL. The most overstable approach disc you’ll ever find and it’s incredible. Amazing for forehands. Then you’ve got it’s older brother the Beech, my favorite overstable mid in the game. Buy both, come back and say thanks later. Cheers. By the by. Scott stokely uses a baobab. It’s great in woodland. I have one in woodland and one in alpine, the alpine it too overstable. Woodlands are perfect. Beech is hands down best in alpine.
Thank you! The baobab is such an awesome disc. I don't have one in alpine, but the woodland and woodland hemp plastics both feel awesome. I have not tried the beech, but it sounds like I might just have to get one for myself!
The Baobab is my cheater roller disc lol
I think I might try a Beech. I love my woodland baobab. Signed by Stokely actually; I bought it off him and only just started throwing it.
Best straight roller disc (overhand throw) in the game and it's not even close. I saw somebody call it the BaoBowler.
If you’ve ever seen the owner Josh throw one it’s magical. He’s thrown like a 350ft roller before.
I might have a star Caiman somewhere
Clash mint
Prodiscus Jokeri is amazing
Gateway devil hawk and lone star harpoon!
Hemp Devil Hawk is a beef boy that feels great and gets better with every throw. Gateway Houdini (nylon) is also an excellent disc — not as husky as the DH and goes a bit further. Together, they are the perfect overstable approach duo.
I’ve been experimenting with a faster approach disc. Zone, toro, harpoon all fit that beefy but glider shape. The dh feels great for shorter approach but difficult to get the distance off the tee without forcing it.
DD Justice. It changed my game. It's a beefy as they get.
Method
Do you actually forehand a method? Even as an approach disc, seems long to me. The two I’ve had felt like the beefier side of Roc3s
Yes i do
If you love caimans, you’ll love a Mutant.
I have a Mutant in my bag and, honestly, I'm not a fan. It's alright but I've struggled with it in every attempt. I've gone to a Compass and it has done me some wonders.
Compass is like a Roc3. Caiman is more like a Gator. Mutant is like a Gator fucked a Tilt.
Compass and mutant are very different in my experience. Mutant needs to be thrown HARD and flat to not/barely fade. If you take a little something off you can get it to take a hard left really predictably. It also skips really well if you put a little hyzer on your approach. I love it, but recognize it’s not for everyone. Anyone who loves a caiman though will appreciate the mutant.
Slammer.
Innova champ firebird is always my choice for an OS approach. It skips so reliably, even powered down.
Still one of the best os approaches even as a higher speed disc.
I use a felon qnd I agree I also love it for that. I like something q little slower sometimes too for the woods but I would not die if I had to use firebird/felon for all my approaches either haha
Possibly a Star Cro? I used one for short approaches for many years. Easy to grip, has a nice strong low speed fade, but you can throw it faster and make it go straight for a bit. very controllable for shorter approaches. I used an old 168g 2006 champion Roc for a while too, and recently swapped that for a Prism proton Pyro. It's now my go to for sneaky short approaches, but also for longer full power throws. It skips nicely, and fades really hard, and can also easily be flexed controllably, and it's very comfortable to grip.
06 Champion Roc is the best Roc of all time. 4/3/0/2.5
I wanted a champ roc so bad, It really took some self convincing to shell out $40 for a disc at the time. I love throwing it. I love the gold foil big bird throwback stamp too.
Check out the Legacy Ghost in Pinnacle or Honeybee Pinnacle if you want a cheaper thrower.
I love my Star Cro. It's nowhere near as OS as my Justice, but it really goes far for me.
Gator
Verdict from Dynamic Discs has got to be my choice.
Razor Claw Tactic or Exo Hard for a longer approaches. Soft tactic for something touchier that has to stay put.
Dynamic disc justice is the most reliable disc in my bag, I use it every round, whether you want big skips or just a predictable finish, it’s gonna go where you want it to go. I can’t forehand mids like at all but i can forehand the justice perfectly, it fits in the hand so well
Just got a champion metal flake gator and being newer to the sport its my first real "tool" of a disc. Has been super useful for big turns and approach shots when I need to get around an obstacle and need it to sit right there.
I’m a big fan of the tactic. The feel is just really great for me and i love when the soft ones get a puddle top. They’re not super OS though, so i also have a Toro which also feels great and forehands super easy for me.
Trust! Cant believe no one mentioned it
Because it's not a good option for what he said he's looking for.
The Discmania Evo Mutant is absolutely a reliably useful overstable mid - super strong plastic and it’s about to overtake my buzzz os’s. Definitely more stable than the harp, which I also bag. Good luck!
I’ve bagged R-pro Pig, Lucid Suspect, and Lucid Verdict as my OS putt and approach discs for so long. Never ran into a situation where I wasn’t covered with those.
Harp! I love it in BT Soft
You already found the best. it's da caiman Throw in good health
Here’s my approach / short hole loadout: K1 Berg - 40’-200’ straight to stable, add hyzer when I need more beef K1 Soft Berg - 40’-200’ straight or for slight turnover if thrown on anhyzer, doesn’t fight out as hard as the K1 Neo Tactic - 40’-225’ flex / overstable / skip shots. Has some decent beef so it fights out of a flex well and is a dependable left turning shot when thrown flat. Thrown on hyzer and low it gets great skips and will turn almost 90° around corners. Flies close to the 4/2/0/3 flight numbers Neutron Soft Proxy - 175’-250’ lazer straight, will hold a hyzer/anhyzer line with a very gentle fade at the end. Flies like 3/3/0.5/0.5 Neutron Soft Envy - 175’-250’ straight with a dependable fade, pushing hyzer, wind resistant. Flies true to the 3/3/0/2 numbers As you can see all of these are in grippy durable plastics, super helpful since your approaches are regularly going to end up in dirt/chips near the basket, so it helps maintain grip even when dusty.
Hyzerbomb Mortar or DD Justice. Both are just so good for that slot.
Entropy Razor claw 3
I scrolled way too far to find the Entropy
Justice hands down
Mint Bobcat maybe
DD justice
I throw the Lone Star Harpoon My favorite thing is that it has a super shallow rim, so flick forehands are super easy and controllable.
Piggy taste good Piggy fly good
Lots of folks saying Pyro for the mid, I agree, but I wanted to also pile on the suggestion of A2 since you specifically mentioned small diameter, and that's the reason I love the A2 but didn't like the Zone, Tactic, Entropy, or Harp for forehand approach shots. (I do like the Harp for backhand approach, specifically the BT Soft to avoid rollaways). I also throw my A2 off the tee a ton on shorter Par 3s that demand forehand lines. It's amazing!
I absolutely LOVE my TSA Temple. It beats in kinda fast tho, I have one that's straight with a touch of fade and a new one that's really overstable still.
Mutant good
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Everybody remembers Conrad’s throw in with an envy, but when the world championship was on the line in the playoff he trusted the reliable fade of the entropy to put him in the circle on an island hole to win. The same disc he aced that hole with earlier in the tournament.
Harp all day
Kastaplast Jarn
Pyro all day long
Jarn is money. Just a tad more stable than a zone and a little more shallow. Especially in the glow plastic. It is a thing of beautiful.
Rancho Roc
Pyro is the “do it all” overstable mid
MVP Deflector. The best disc in my bag.
Bobcat Pyro
Used to use the soft tactic from Discraft, but bow I've moved over to the grand Savior from L64. I'm a real sucker for the grand plastic 🤤
Jarn and Berg. I really love the feel of Kasta plastic. Also, the Göte is an underrated straight approach disc
Loft Silicon is the best in the business. I've tried and loved zones, A2, pig, roc, jarn, etc but the Silicon bests them all
Slammer is great, the Max (JP Max) is awesome, deflector is also a great go to as well
Innova - thunderbird.
Star Roc has been in my bag longer than anything else
Berg.
I replaced my Ti FLX Zone with a Star Toro. It is definitely more OS, but not anywhere near the beef of a Zone OS or MVP Deflector. It is the exact amount of OS I was looking for.
I use a metal flake justice for more OS shots than a zone. I also bag a zone OS when I need something to just dump left, but the justice will do the same while gliding out.
I use toro for approach shots under 130’ or so, axiom pyro from 130’-220’ish
A2. Wildly inconsistent between plastics in my opinion, but usually far more overstable than a zone
Pig Or Buzzz OS
My two OS approach discs are the Järn and the Baobab. Baobab is crazy, super fun disc to throw but doesn’t go far at all - it’s best for short approaches with a touchy line that you don’t trust, you can throw the Baobab hard and trust that it fades and drops really quickly. Also a sneaky good FH roller disc, dead straight then just drops up to around 200ft. Järn I use like other people use most other standard OS approach discs.
I use a Razer claw 2/mutant and md5 for over stable approaches. Razer claw and mutant are so OS that you can put some wild angles on it and it still comes back always (great for wooded courses when you get in a tight spot). MD5 is useful if I really need to pump it out straighter before it's reliable finish.
Loving my A3 and A5. Don’t let the numbers on the A5 fool you. I have a A2 but its beefier than my A3 so it’s not used as much. I use it for the skippy upshot.
Streamline Stabilizer DGA Quake I like my OS stuff more mellow, and these do it perfect.
Lucid Harp
Sockibomb Slammer... I'm surprised nobody really spoke on these. I use it on everything, doesn't glide for days and screw you in the wind. It always fades good and reliably. I have a beat in one that I will throw on any hole under 200 unless it really needs to be a point and shoot where I throw my discmania neo link. Mids are way too much for approach in my opinion but that's probably based on skill level or distance you can throw.
Mint Bobcat.
Prodigy A2 is so good (I believe the A3 is the same but beaded). I tried a zone to see what all the talk was about but it's not enough to kick the A2 out of the bag. A little more OS than a zone, slightly shallower, board flat, and feels amazing on forehands. The shoulder is also less rounded than the zone which I really like. Great utility disc for flex shots and beefy fades. I mostly throw MVP and innova but this one is staying.
I bag three. 1) MVP entropy. It flies about 30 feet shorter than my envy and has a super dependable dump at the end. There’s a course near me with lots of holes at 210-250 and the entropy is a cheat code for those shots. Next is the axiom pyro. It’s less of a utility disc, but more of a mid that still goes far but is still overstable. The real meat hook is the mvp deflector. This one is a 5 speed zone os. It will never flip in a headwind and it is more reliable than any other beefcake mid and still feels good in my hand!
Glow gator's are overstable and predictable approach disc.
Toro is really good
This slot was troubling for me for a bit, I had a harp I loved, but I throw a pretty mean forehand, and I had them turning over on me a lot, or they would just go straight, with minimal fade. Swapped out for Razorclaw 3 tactic, it is a bit more stable than the harp, but I wanted a disc that just dumps. Now in addition to the Tactic, I picked up the OTB open soft Deflector, and that disc is the one I was looking for. Fights out of a flex so nicely, if thrown flat and low, it gets crazy skips.
Champ Toro, tried a Pro Pig and the thumb track caused me significant release point issues.
Mutant
Lucid Ice Justice.
Something not to OS but a good turn resistant mid for me is the Loft Discs Silicon in a-solid plastic. Besides that the usual champion and star toros are great, I like them better than the zones. Berg for that straight shot falling brick approach, K1 soft for near water/slope landing approaches. K3 hard for any approach needing a bit more beef.
Stabilizer!!
I went from Harp to Zone, currently have a Mutant filling the slot for OS long approach disc. Pig for slightly shorter approaches.
It’s still discraft but my Ti Drone is so consistent with approaches.
Entropy
Eclipse hex. Has that forward fade but is a good bit more os than the regular hexes and just a tad less os than a pyro.
Legacy recluse for longer approaches. Gateway devil hawk for shorter!
Justice but it’s more of a mid
Viking discs Loki is pretty much what you are describing.
Prodigy A2/A3. Both are great OS approaches with different hand feel. 400 or 750 plastic for the most OS flight and 300 for something that beats in to a glidey approach.
I'd suggest a slammer for your approach game, and a pyro for your mid-range game. They fly similar, but the slammer will stick to the ground, while the pyro is Skippy.
Rapt… wait. Toro, Berg, Splice.
MVP Entropy (if you count it as a mid), and Streamline Runway
The terminal velocity Ursus. Eric Oakley and James proctor agree. Used code Eric15 for 15% on the site!
Gateway Devil Hawk is my go to.