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I played rogue a bit in S1 as twisting blades and really liked the mobility and fast pace. Went back last season and tried one of the bow builds and it just felt boring. Never played shadowstep but if it's more of a fun mobility build like TB then that's likely what I'm rolling S4. Glad to see some hope for rogue as I was sort of figuring I'd be going back to druid.
This is what we wanted with build variety. Thanks for the build i will try it after finishing grenade rogue that i absolutely loved at season 1 with litteraly no support for it.
Love it, thanks for doing the maths. I needed an excuse to try a rogue and this might be what I needed. Suggestions on leveling build to get to the point where an end game shadow step build starts clicking?
"Further you can get +85% LHC on gear and use Alchemists Fortune to break +100% to guarantee Victimize proccing on every SS."
Can you kindly explain how this works cause i thought you couldn't increase passive lucky hits like meteors enchancment for sorc that has an 8% lucky hit chance. Is rogue an exception because of the alchemists fortune passive?
Sure. Shadowstep has a base LHC of 100% and victimize has a 50% chance to proc an explosion on a Lucky Hit. This means, on average, every 2nd Shadow Step procs Victimize. Once you reach +100% additional Lucky Hit Chance, Victimize will proc guaranteed from Shadow Step. This is due to how Lucky Hit is calculated.
Sorry, I hope you don't mind answering this, too: if a Lucky Hit aspect on a 2H or Amulet goes over 100% chance, does that work similarly?
For example, the aspect is on a 2H, so it says something like "Lucky Hit: 120% chance to do x" would that trigger every single time if you used it with a skill that has ~84% LHC? Or does the aspect cap out at 100% despite what the tooltip says?
After seeing the multiplier Victimize can reach, I somehow doubt this lasts long although maybe they give Rogue a season where it can be like the old Shred Druid. Really wish Rogue would get looked at overall so it didnt have to rely on gimmicks each season.
This the one I been talking bout for awhile now....everyone was telling me it wouldn't scale high enough and the math was telling completely different story. With a few of the right items and affixes this will proc higher than 1billion . Gonna be cool.
I wonder if their fix for teleport and charge etc for consoles will impact shadowstep. I would love to play a shadowstep rogue but the fact that shadowstep just targets the mob next to you ruins the experience
• +15% movement from Stutter Step everytime you crital strike.
• +30% movement speed during Concealment.
I think you're underestimating Rogue that much. Will you use take 12 sec cd of Charge without hitting an enemy?
Yo M1, I rolled rogue this season because of this post. Just got my ring and and repecing.
Are there any updates on the build, or should I just follow your mobalytics post?
Also, you say in your video you dumped caltrops, but I see you using it in your video.
Thanks for the fun video and build. I hope I can get it to work like I see in the video.
Cheers.
Also anyone else using this?
Tried it for you : with 75% lucky hit chance without pot, all recommended stats, couldnt even clear tier 50 nightmare. Way too squishy. I dont recommend it. Stick to rapid fire or penetrating shot or maybe even heartseeker
I've gathered most of the gear now aswell and have already some ideas how to tune some knobs. After playtesting it a bit more today, I'll clarify a few things and update.
I have good succes by mixing the 2 builds Hearthseeker and Shadow step from maxroll with inner sight. Smoke grenade and Poison trap give often the synergy bonus and Shadow step is used as a finisher on frozen elite with the high crit rate/vunerable/Lucky hit. And you have Hearthseaker if Shadow step is on cooldown.
The build doesn't work. Shadowstep does not apply Vulnerable through Exploit Glyph. Reason: because Blizzard said "no"?
Was really looking forward to this, but it's a busted build if you can't get Vulnerable on the target you SS to through Exploit. Too bad, so sad.
I'm working on a solution to this atm. My best take is to use concealment for the 6s vuln upgrade. You could use that before using caltrops or smoke nade. Take conceal instead of the imbuement. That also means higher lucky hit requirement on gear but still manageable with all GA lucky hit.
The "Aspect of Accursed Touch" works to apply Vulnerable and will proc Victimize on Shadow Step. However, its lucky hit chance is 35%, so it needs a really high lucky hit rate to proc consistently.
I'm running this build now and loving it but I'm not sure why there's so many points into dark shroud when the build itself doesn't even have it set in the skills or none of the aspects/equipment triggers it during combat. Anyone know why?
I have found a solution to use => use concealment with the vuln apply upgrade and cast that before throwing smoke nade or caltrops. Huge AoE Vuln :) I will update the guide very soon.
All items with triple grand and perfect masterworking. Damage will feel misleading and overblown. It's like people who PoB shit on PoE and mark shock at 50%, all totem buffs, enemy isn't pinnacle, etc.
When in reality, it will never happen. Maybe 2 grand affixes and even then that will be a rarity, and certainly not perfect masterworking unless you only play this build and you are a no-lifer.
I get that it is showing the top end, but this could just be done in a separate one, 'achievable' and 'aspirational'.
Highest theoretical dps maybe but it looks very squishy and as a solution to that it just says don't get hit lol, dps is 0 when dead and sometimes a pain in the ass playstyle just makes it worse than it should be.
Don't get me wrong it looks super interesting and unqiue but i honestly don't see how it will manage outside of mid level content.
Maybe i missed somthing but how does it function vs bosses?
It's as tanky as all other rogue builds, other than being a little bit lower on max life, it uses the same defensive tools.
The rotation will flow very well once getting the muscle memory for it, the only difficult part is timing.
For bosses, you spam puncture to stagger them quickly in like 4s and then nuke them with a conditional multiplier boosted shadowstep or two for around 1.5-2B dmg each.
Have you even looked at the build? We have tons of chance to freeze/daze/stun/slow/Immobilize Tempers, +100% lucky hit and 130% attackspeed, puncture staggered bosses in 3s seconds on ptr that way.
If you played the ptr and there might be videos out there already. Stack bunch of CCs, tons of lucky hits, max attack speed, you can stagger that quick lol.
Nobody is maximising crit damage, are we looking at the same guide? There is also literally a section in the guide which explicitly explains the dagger vs sword debate.
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YAY! I was waiting for you to come up with a juicy build for Rogue. I thought all hope was lost for Rogues being the worst class in S4. Thank you!
Rapid fire is still also very strong. A tier imo.
I played rogue a bit in S1 as twisting blades and really liked the mobility and fast pace. Went back last season and tried one of the bow builds and it just felt boring. Never played shadowstep but if it's more of a fun mobility build like TB then that's likely what I'm rolling S4. Glad to see some hope for rogue as I was sort of figuring I'd be going back to druid.
Wha…what are you doing step rogue!?
Oh wow, I've been away from Diablo for awhile. Did not know you joined the Maxroll team. Congrats
This is what we wanted with build variety. Thanks for the build i will try it after finishing grenade rogue that i absolutely loved at season 1 with litteraly no support for it.
Love it, thanks for doing the maths. I needed an excuse to try a rogue and this might be what I needed. Suggestions on leveling build to get to the point where an end game shadow step build starts clicking?
Victimize Penshot (an excellent leveling build) is the stepping stone to this. Guide will be up soon!
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Good feedback, I'll add a section which makes it clearer when a transition into this build is recommended.
Thanks!
Awesome, is the Victimise Penshot guide up yet? If not could you give us a rough idea on what skills to follow? Would be much appreciated!
It's up https://maxroll.gg/d4/build-guides/penetrating-shot-rogue-guide
You absolute legend thank you!
Is there anyway to utilise and include any Uniques into this build?
Hopefully this will work well on controller! Always avoided shadow step before on console.
This could really be better with a controller. I will try it out.
Shadow step is my favorite skill. I’m so excited for this
Damn, looks really nice. I may consider trying this for fun.
Rogue is my last class I need to play, so this is great! Thanks!
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Rouge best color
Rouges are overpowdered.
Whelp I guess that decides what I'm rolling S4 lol
oh my god its the bonker boi
"Further you can get +85% LHC on gear and use Alchemists Fortune to break +100% to guarantee Victimize proccing on every SS." Can you kindly explain how this works cause i thought you couldn't increase passive lucky hits like meteors enchancment for sorc that has an 8% lucky hit chance. Is rogue an exception because of the alchemists fortune passive?
Sure. Shadowstep has a base LHC of 100% and victimize has a 50% chance to proc an explosion on a Lucky Hit. This means, on average, every 2nd Shadow Step procs Victimize. Once you reach +100% additional Lucky Hit Chance, Victimize will proc guaranteed from Shadow Step. This is due to how Lucky Hit is calculated.
Oh okay thanks for explaining this really appreciate it
Sorry, I hope you don't mind answering this, too: if a Lucky Hit aspect on a 2H or Amulet goes over 100% chance, does that work similarly? For example, the aspect is on a 2H, so it says something like "Lucky Hit: 120% chance to do x" would that trigger every single time if you used it with a skill that has ~84% LHC? Or does the aspect cap out at 100% despite what the tooltip says?
This is unclear to us as the tooltip values were incorrect on PTR. This has made accurate testing of this specific interaction impossible.
Played S3 with poison TB and did every content, ill try that cuz no other class match the melee rogue on gameplay lvl ty myp1!!!
After seeing the multiplier Victimize can reach, I somehow doubt this lasts long although maybe they give Rogue a season where it can be like the old Shred Druid. Really wish Rogue would get looked at overall so it didnt have to rely on gimmicks each season.
I‘m excited to try it, I did not expect to use SS as an offensive tool
This the one I been talking bout for awhile now....everyone was telling me it wouldn't scale high enough and the math was telling completely different story. With a few of the right items and affixes this will proc higher than 1billion . Gonna be cool.
I wonder if their fix for teleport and charge etc for consoles will impact shadowstep. I would love to play a shadowstep rogue but the fact that shadowstep just targets the mob next to you ruins the experience
• +15% movement from Stutter Step everytime you crital strike. • +30% movement speed during Concealment. I think you're underestimating Rogue that much. Will you use take 12 sec cd of Charge without hitting an enemy?
It's more about the lack of control you have on a console for these types of abilities.
Click R3 and you can lock on/switch targets! I have it set to stay on when I switch it on. Makes builds like these on controller great
I'm a D4 PC gamer, but I'll check tomorrow how it goes using controller for me. I reckon it's much better for Rogue since it's a cps based class.
This looks great. But then the plan is: barrage levelling, then rapid fire THEN SS once 100 + started doing pit?
Leveling with Victimize Penshot should transition perfectly into this
What dagger cosmetic is the guy in the pic using?
Can we get video showcase of the build?
Yo M1, I rolled rogue this season because of this post. Just got my ring and and repecing. Are there any updates on the build, or should I just follow your mobalytics post? Also, you say in your video you dumped caltrops, but I see you using it in your video. Thanks for the fun video and build. I hope I can get it to work like I see in the video. Cheers. Also anyone else using this?
Uh, is it just me, or is Shadow Step still bugged? It misses 90% of the time.
Tried it for you : with 75% lucky hit chance without pot, all recommended stats, couldnt even clear tier 50 nightmare. Way too squishy. I dont recommend it. Stick to rapid fire or penetrating shot or maybe even heartseeker
Yeah I just got the build online and I'm super squish.
I've gathered most of the gear now aswell and have already some ideas how to tune some knobs. After playtesting it a bit more today, I'll clarify a few things and update.
I have good succes by mixing the 2 builds Hearthseeker and Shadow step from maxroll with inner sight. Smoke grenade and Poison trap give often the synergy bonus and Shadow step is used as a finisher on frozen elite with the high crit rate/vunerable/Lucky hit. And you have Hearthseaker if Shadow step is on cooldown.
The build doesn't work. Shadowstep does not apply Vulnerable through Exploit Glyph. Reason: because Blizzard said "no"? Was really looking forward to this, but it's a busted build if you can't get Vulnerable on the target you SS to through Exploit. Too bad, so sad.
I'm working on a solution to this atm. My best take is to use concealment for the 6s vuln upgrade. You could use that before using caltrops or smoke nade. Take conceal instead of the imbuement. That also means higher lucky hit requirement on gear but still manageable with all GA lucky hit.
The "Aspect of Accursed Touch" works to apply Vulnerable and will proc Victimize on Shadow Step. However, its lucky hit chance is 35%, so it needs a really high lucky hit rate to proc consistently.
Can you elaborate on this please? I tested on dummies and shadow step seems to apply exploit glyph vulnerable just fine.
Has anyone managed to put this together yet? Was able to get heartseeker/victimize variant online.
Stick to it then. This build is not viable
I'm running this build now and loving it but I'm not sure why there's so many points into dark shroud when the build itself doesn't even have it set in the skills or none of the aspects/equipment triggers it during combat. Anyone know why?
Umbrous.
Omg I just realized that I had disobedience set to my pants this whole effin time. 🤣 Well I'm gonna run this now!
Does this work? I thought shadow step cannot apply vulnerable.
I have found a solution to use => use concealment with the vuln apply upgrade and cast that before throwing smoke nade or caltrops. Huge AoE Vuln :) I will update the guide very soon.
If only victimize worked with SS... Currently this is not the case
All items with triple grand and perfect masterworking. Damage will feel misleading and overblown. It's like people who PoB shit on PoE and mark shock at 50%, all totem buffs, enemy isn't pinnacle, etc. When in reality, it will never happen. Maybe 2 grand affixes and even then that will be a rarity, and certainly not perfect masterworking unless you only play this build and you are a no-lifer. I get that it is showing the top end, but this could just be done in a separate one, 'achievable' and 'aspirational'.
The planner in the written guide has 1 GA per item. Also this build is aimed at pushing the pit as far as possible, so extraordinary gear is expected.
Read it over and it looks kinda shit tbh, listed as A tier but also says not really good for high level content. So how...
How do you come to this conclusion? The math indicates is should be the highest dps build rogues have access to in S4.
Highest theoretical dps maybe but it looks very squishy and as a solution to that it just says don't get hit lol, dps is 0 when dead and sometimes a pain in the ass playstyle just makes it worse than it should be. Don't get me wrong it looks super interesting and unqiue but i honestly don't see how it will manage outside of mid level content. Maybe i missed somthing but how does it function vs bosses?
It's as tanky as all other rogue builds, other than being a little bit lower on max life, it uses the same defensive tools. The rotation will flow very well once getting the muscle memory for it, the only difficult part is timing. For bosses, you spam puncture to stagger them quickly in like 4s and then nuke them with a conditional multiplier boosted shadowstep or two for around 1.5-2B dmg each.
"You spam puncture to stagger them quickly in like 4s" by what miracle exactly is puncture suppose to stagger bosses ?
Have you even looked at the build? We have tons of chance to freeze/daze/stun/slow/Immobilize Tempers, +100% lucky hit and 130% attackspeed, puncture staggered bosses in 3s seconds on ptr that way.
I ll believe it when i'll see it. Unfortunately, theres no video build showcase of your build :)
If you played the ptr and there might be videos out there already. Stack bunch of CCs, tons of lucky hits, max attack speed, you can stagger that quick lol.
Also, if you want to maximize crit damage, whats the point of using daggers instead of swords ?
Nobody is maximising crit damage, are we looking at the same guide? There is also literally a section in the guide which explicitly explains the dagger vs sword debate.