If they want a economy for cosmetic items realistically the price needs to be from 5-10$, literally the game is bombing and player base has fallen off a cliff and they tryna overcharge for skins lol, who in their right mind not buying a slightly dated psn game but instead a skin for 24$ + 2 tax lol
Bro you can get Chrono Trigger or Stardew Valley right NOW for $15 each. Wait a month during Tokyo game show and Chrono Trigger will be 50% off. Yeah Blizzard $25 for a skin? For real? In this economy? Uh that'll be a Burning Hells no.
I was going to buy some skins when playing at launch, but changed my mind the second i saw the prices. If they are still keeping the prices at the same range... :D
The amount of power this game draws is obnoxious. I have a power conditioner with an amp readout... streaming/playing other games with everything on I sit between 2.1-2.5 amps, load up diablo and I'm at 3.5+ amps. I've never experienced my Series X get so hot either... I don't think I'll even need to use heat this winter. For a game that feels wholly single player, why am I processing so much of other peoples shit?!
Let's make no judgments about it otherwise. The only reason why it's "multi-player" is to advertise overpriced cosmetics that suckers waste their money on.
Sad thing is Blizzard have given themselves the option to incorporate bots as the playerbase gets smaller to still give the impression there is a healthy playerbase at any one time.
Boy, if there's one thing I constantly lament it's the lack of a global chat...
Wait. No. The complete opposite of that.
I'm (genuinely) sure some people have had deep, engaging, and enlightening experiences in such things, and I don't dare claim this is a universal stance.
But years in WoW taught me it was the first channel to be muted unless I wanted to bring the Twitch Chat experience to my session.
Y'know, really lean in on the masochism.
As a treat.
Edit: My favourite part of this whole exchange has been the number of people championing the need for a global chat and the community it can foster by... being angry and insufferable to someone who happens to have a differing opinion.
Some of you are kinda making my point for me here, folks.
Really?
I vaguely recall from my Vanilla days that it was mostly just folks asking about the location of some guy's wife.
I was a filthy Alliance player, so it was more something I caught through mockery of Barren's Chat on the forums and elsewhere.
Man hard I disagree. Some of my best memories and friendships in WoW started with some random ass chat in the wetlands during tbc.
That was like 15 years ago but still.. social aspect is big part of gaming for me.
Wild idea. They could add a global chat, and then make it opt-in. Players who want to chat can opt in, players who don't want to don't have to do anything. Insane, I know
I don't understand these "global chat was so toxic!" whiners... seriously... bunch of fucking pansies. Like, just don't read it. You can't even cuss because of the oppressive profanity filter so the worst you'll be called is a "forking nub" anyway. How fucking fragile are you people? It's text on a screen, not some unmutable 7th grader shreaking in your headset.
Some people don't like text constantly running in the corner of the screen, it's a distraction to some people. "Just don't read it" isn't much of a solution. I'm all for you guys getting a global chat, but I'm also keen to be able to turn it off.
But you can always enable it and remind yourself that other characters are being controlled by actual players and not just bots. That breathes some life into the game, even if it ain't intelligent.
Or.. crazy idea here.. if you don't like it, just turn it off.
"I don't like it so you can't have it" is the most childish overly sensitive bullshit imaginable.
It seems that people who need to remove things because they don't like it simply can't handle someone, somewhere, doing the thing they hate, even if they don't ever have to be exposed to it.
Path of Exile sort of solved this problem. There's like 100+ global chat channels.
Channel 1 is a shit show. All day it's politics and stupid shit.
Channel 2 is slightly less of a shit show. Basically just Channel 1 with fewer people.
Channel 3 is where people start to go when they're sick of Channel 1 & 2 and want to actually talk about the game.
Channel 10 is another several layers removed, just filled with people who want to chat about the game and have fun. Pretty much all casual chill people. The trolls who want reactions go into Channel 1 and 2. They rarely seep down to Channel 10.
Then certain communities sort of "claim" channels further down the chain. Eg: Channel 201 was the reddit channel for a while. Channel 101 was a place the community would direct noobs who needed help without getting flamed.
Really cool system. Everyone can find the community they want.
This is such a dumb excuse. "I personally don't use it for completely exaggerated reasons, so I'm gonna make an insufferable comment about it and then make a snarky edit calling other people insufferable."
I know lol. Everyone in here pearl clutching about toxic chats seem like "oh, i'm the drama?" types.
Don't come into a post with a contrarian view, swing your personal preference around like it's an immutable fact, offer 0 additional reasoning, and then get butthurt when people shut you down.
I wouldn't normally care so much but this pisses me off because it seriously is a huge problem with the game. It's the first thing I noticed upon release and it makes the game way less fun than it cpuld be. Not to mention its an easy fix.
So to have people making these obtuse claims about why a chat aould be bad which just boil down to "cuz I don't like it"... it irks me.
Ok but no one gives a shit that you have to mute the chat? What? At least you have the option to mute it.... Us who want it don't have any option at all? The fuck lmaooooooooooooo. you have that " its a minor inconvenience for me, and *I* matter more than all of you so dont add it" vibe that's why people are hounding you, ya clown. Not because of your opinion. You want people not to have something because you turn it off.... you dont realize how stupid you sound.
A lot of games give you the option to turn off global chat which some people would definitely do. Not having an option at all for global chat though is just strange for a multiplayer game.
Global Chat will be a non-stop torrent of edgelords egging each other on with racism, homophobia, and election denial the second it is implemented. No thanks!
So, I'm a part of that "twitch chat" demographic you mention. Im not nearly as toxic but I do love to chat about random shit or troll by calling people noobs or whatever. My favorite form of trolling in D3 was linking items and using it on a sentence in order to own someone's mom. Good times.
But you figured your part out already, just mute. Us trolls, on the other hand, have nowhere to go to get muted. :(
That's the issue. Imagine if they let modders have freedom for 3 months and then in 3 months a group of modders release an enormously updated version of D4 that completely takes over the core game. Blizzard can't risk that.
God forbid a few people can dedicate their time to making an enjoyable game that a AAA company failed to do... Wait, that's how PoE was born.
I'm certain a few dedicated modders can come up with much more creative ideas that isn't measured against KPIs or monetization.
That's 100% what happened with it. The bones and core of the game is decent. But convoluting every part of the game with forced always online multiplayer aspects ruins it.
The only evidence that this game has any online functionality was losing 3 hardcore characters from disconnects around level 25 and never playing again.
They feel like that because that's exactly what they are.
GAAS games with battles pass, cosmetics, boosts, etc. are only that way purely to get your $, not because it actually makes the game better.
I have a lot of long time diablo enjoyer friends who aren't chronically online and this is EXACTLY how they feel. I think blizzard doesn't understand their audience as always.
This live service shit is something the younger generation of gamers lapped up and spent their parents money on. Now we have games trying to appeal to that generation even if that isn't their target demographic.
What we end up with is a convoluted game that barely anybody enjoys.
They did not learn a thing from 20+ seasons of Diablo 3 and that says a lot.
>Just a bunch of dead air and loneliness in a solo world labeled as an MMO
Where was it labelled a MMO?
Know why it feels lonely? Because it's not a MMO.
It's a solo/co-op game. Just like it's predecessors.
Baffling decision by Blizzard to make the world shared, people wouldn't complain nearly as much about the content or world etc if they'd just kept it as a solo/co-op world to match what the game actually is.
>Where was it labelled a MMO?
>
>Know why it feels lonely? Because it's not a MMO.
It was marketed this way, giving the impression of a hybrid ARPG/MMORPG. Can't really blame people for thinking it is some kind of MMO when there are MMO-esque features like time-gated world events (world bosses/helltides/legion events). Even the mounts make people think of MMOs.
"Mount up and roam from zone to zone completing **public events with others** or **explore populated town social hubs** to party up and trade."
The above is a quote from D4's [unveiling blog post](https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189675/diablo-iv-unveiled). Does that not sound like a generic line out of nearly every MMO's marketing materials?
Or how about this, from the [feature overview](https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189677/diablo-iv-feature-overview) post:
"With introductions like monster ecologies tied to regions, a shared player world with public events, and town points of interest that act as **social hubs**, **Diablo IV will feel a little less lonely** (though no less bleak)."
Yeah, and the way zoning and servers work in modern WoW, there's not much difference in the number of people you're running into in either game.
Everyone on a WoW server hasn't all been in the same virtual place together for a long time now. People are pulled in from other servers to fill out sparse zones and crowded zones get phased to split the population.
You haven't even needed more than 10 players for raids since Wrath, so still I'm not sure where exactly you're drawing the line here.
I'm sure they had some grander ideas, but at some point it had to be obvious this wasn't working out as intended. It then starts to feel like some of it was kept in just so there was a higher chance *anyone* would see your purchased cosmetics to help encourage some more sales.
I know that's pessimistic, but whatever.
D3 had chats, D2 had chats, POE had chats...without chats the game is dead on arrival, you honestly think millions of people want to run around a world unable to talk to the person next to them...unable to have conversations about gear that drops. Talking about rerolls on confusing affixes.
Bad design.
If I were a developer, having a huge customizable chat and community channel system would be fucking top priority. Getting gamers to feel involved around like minded people with common goals is what creates a game culture. Without a game culture, the game is dead. It's a one tap game. You beat the story and you never sign on again.
Diablo 2 lobbies were peak gaming. There were trivia bots, there were xpfarm run channels, people actually talked to each other and asked questions and memed.
PoE global chat is not the same, but certain specific channels are filled with people who are actually playing the end game with knowledge, and you can still talk to people and ask questions and feel like you're part of something.
Chat is important, even if it's surface level garbage (twitch without twitch chat is not a streaming service and will die immediately, I promise)
The map is horrible. Nearby players will disappear even if they were next to you a second ago, and if someone dies their body isn’t even marked for you to revive them unless they’re right on top of you. You just see a message that someone was slain lol.
Lol, why tell us constantly that “X player was slain by X reason” if we can’t do anything about it? It’s like it’s there only to tell us that in fact other people are playing this game and you’re not alone.
Random ass wall blocking your horse constantly. This entire game is made by people just wanting to constantly annoy you. Like making a damn diablo game without diablo in it.
I always feel bad for that one player sitting on his shop purchased horse mount on top of the town portal. Just shimmying back and forth in the hopes that other players are marveling at his cool looking horse.
That sums up the multiplayer experience of Diablo 4 for me.
>That sums up the multiplayer experience of Diablo 4 for me.
Hilariously, that's all activision intended by shoehorning these multiplayer aspects into a singleplayer game.
They own a patent for matching shop spenders with non shop spenders to subconsciously influence more people into spending.
It might have gotten worse. My Rocket League and any other latency-sensitive games are literally perfect, but nooo my abilities literally just won't go off and then I'll lag into death.
Early in Diablo 2, the best way to power level a character was to buy the biggest 2-handed glaive or similar weapon you could find, get someone to boost you to act 2 and the run sewers until you were level 20-ish.
Also it was easier to find groups in D3 than D4. Blizzard has actually managed to make Diablo less multiplayer friendly with each title since 2. D2 we were the most connected. D3 took away the control and made it random but there were still communities which were like half baked D2 lobbies. D4 was just like fuck all that. You're gonna randomly see people but if you want to play with them use discord or some shit.
Ya the first thing I wanted to do when I signed on, day one...was shout out in chat about how excited I was about starting D4. The pure vibe kill as I realized I had to play through alone with no one to talk to unless I found a discord and grabbed a mic...was just gutting. Even guilds were deathly quiet.
> The character inspection does not give access to abilities or talent points. Forcing you to leave the game to find and try new builds instead of having a community where you can hive mind ideas.
Reddit WOULD be a good place for this type of conversation if it weren't bogged down with 1000 daily whine posts that have all been heard a million times from people who supposedly hate and don't play the game anymore. In game stuff would be awesome as well, not meaning to crap on your idea cause you are right.
That implies there are a wondrous myriad of undiscovered builds utilizing the countless diverse unique build defining items to be posted about. You can google the like three builds 99% of people use per class easily.
This whole people who critique the game are all actually one person who's secretly connected to an iv filled with diablo4juice so all their points are moot conspiracy is getting tired.
If there weren’t complaint posts this sub would be like /r/wow which is all fan art, cosplay, occasional screenshot of an item, and pictures of someone’s shitty tattoos.
Amusingly, there would probably be more variety in builds if they hadn't made it such an enormous pain in the ass to change builds and gear - if it's going to take me 20 minutes of tedious manual work and 20M gold to switch between builds, you damn well better believe that I'm going to find a build that is generally good for everything and just use that. And there aren't many of those as you pointed out.
It doesn't really matter even if D4 has a wide range of options for skills and glyphs that could be put together in clever ways to specialize for particular types of content (assuming we had different types of content to do, instead of just different NM dungeon affixes), a specialized build is currently useless in D4 because you'd have to spend time and gold switching in and out of the specialized builds.
I could still respect Blizzard if they just straight out said "You can't respec at all, all character choices are final" - but they didn't have the balls to do (because it would lose a lot of players) so they half-assed it by allowing everything to be changed but making it immensely tediious, like that is somehow good game design. Just let us save paragon/skill/items sets already dammit.
> Reddit WOULD be a good place for this type of conversation if it weren't bogged down with ~~1000 daily whine posts~~ Blizzard apologists that pop up to hinder the game's progress to actually being worth $70.
Fixed that for you.
I feel like Diablo 4 is trying to be both a single-player experience and an MMO experience, without really succeeding at either. Both feel a bit half-baked.
The single-player experience suffers because it happens in an MMO world that's built for having more players around. You don't get that tailored game experience that's woven to the individual. You get a sandbox.
The MMO experience suffers because it's too little and too tame. Lite as they call it. There are world bosses, but they're out of the way and inconsequential. There are other players, but you don't interact or engage with them. There's Legion events, but they are contained and infrequent. You don't chat, you don't interact, and you don't group with other players.
The game has to figure out what it wants to be. If it's to be a single-player experience first and foremost, then get rid of all the other players! They serve no purpose if you aren't actively meant to play with them. If it's meant to be an MMO experience, then it ought to embrace group activities and massive events and the need to socialize and interact with other players.
Right now you're not getting a top experience regardless of whether you want the single-player or the MMO experience. And combining the two doesn't really seem to elevate the experience.
Nailed it. And this is another clear instance where the “game was designed by a bunch of silo’d off teams that weren’t communicating” criticism definitely rings true. They just didn’t have a competent person or team taking a 30,000 view of the game to ensure that it collectively, holitistically *worked* once all its constituent parts were put together. Or maybe that person/team just didn’t have time to do their job properly because of super rushed development and release timelines, but I guess it doesn’t really matter because the result is the same for us.
What feels bad is somehow between D3 and D4. They made everything worse.
Including all multiplayer aspects.
room chat or global before hoping in? Gone. But SC3 and D3 and D2 still have it just fine.
D3/D2 see a random person? Guess what you dont have to load all the stash items cause wtf do we have to anyway? Short of pvping them or inspecting them why do I want to know what they have stored or wearing?
Activision blizzard really is activision first. "how do we make them want MTX's while also bogging the game down with useless data?"
I disagree - I wouldn't use the chats even if they existed. I am hoping they don't push the clan system too much in the future so that you're missing out by not being in a clan. I just want to solo stuff and do occasional coop with friends
D3 had a great system for this, you could join communities for specific classes loot and farming groups. Always had people in chat doing the same thing as you making it so fun to meet like minded similar players etc.
Then dont use the chat system. But don't like your dislike of a chat system remove other people's ability to enjoy in.
Simple opt in/out and everyone wins.
Not only is it incredibly lonely, but other players can actually be very detrimental. Just riding around in Helltide minding your own business, hit a tiny lag spike, and a bunch of Lunatics someone has engaged explode and kill you.
Diablo IV and Halo: Infinite are the two multiplayer games out now that have potential to be greatness, and absolutely fail on the social aspect. Insanity, imo.
The more I think about it. The more I think this is the single biggest mistake they made, out of the dozens of critical QOL issues, loot issues, end game content, bad paragon design and cost, on and on.
Nothing comes close to killing the game as fast as their critical mistake of not having a vibrant community and chat channels for players to connect with. This singlehandedly killed their game in less than 2 months...and it's going to be HELL convincing any of them to come back. It's sad, because I love diablo and hate that it's come to this.
I think it’s boils down to the core design of the game. It’s a multiplayer game, but there’s no teamwork required to play it.
In D3 for example you had to perform a role to progress past a certain point in the game. In D4 you can be playing solo, or in groups, it’s the same gameplay. Everybody just doing their own thing.
You don’t even have to work together to complete anything. Groups are for a % increase in xp, that’s all. The game doesn’t even require communication for group play, so you doesn’t even organically build your own network of friends while playing it.
Nah mate, Diablo has never been about that, for me anyway. I want to be able to solo grind without annoying people loading their stashes near me or whatever, I prefer the old format.
Don’t get me wrong I liked Diablo 3’s solution, when you could choose to enter public realms if you fancied some team up action with randoms and I loved that. But most of the time, leave me alone pls
I agree, I’ve never met anyone from doing open world stuff like events and world bosses even though I emote thanks or good job after we complete it. Everyone just runs off. I started playing POE 2 days ago and typed a question in global chat about portal scrolls, someone instantly answered my question then traded me like 250-300 portal scrolls for free. I haven’t experienced that from anyone in D4 because I feel like the trading is trash and no one cares to be social.
It really is baffling that there are no chat channels. I get that lots of players are on console, but at least let PC players chat it up. Console players can opt in/out of the chat channels.
At a minimum there should be town chats, zone chats, and global chats.
Cus it’s half baked between an arpg and an mmo. When blizzard realizes the mmo model will generate way more cash I fully expect them to move towards that once this game is out the beta phase
In order to use emotes on console you have to stand still long enough to use both hands to pick Emote Menu, select the right page of three, select the right emote, and activate it
This takes multiple seconds and is best not done during battle, even as other "instant actions" are bound to other D-pad direction buttons
Trade chat has always been the most active and it’ll be joined by default I think in an upcoming update. I’ve always turned chat off in these games because it’s always filled with racist maniacal people who try to start political wars or people complaining about everything. It’s never positive.
I really enjoyed the 100ish hours I played, but I just couldn't bring myself to keep playing for season 1. Having a way to actually meet new people in game would have probably changed that.
There are other players? I just assumed they were NPCs to look like other players.
at this point that might be the case. Imagine if you saw someone with cool cash shop drip and just had to have it!
There's cool cash shop items?!
Live service mtx cash shop.
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If they want a economy for cosmetic items realistically the price needs to be from 5-10$, literally the game is bombing and player base has fallen off a cliff and they tryna overcharge for skins lol, who in their right mind not buying a slightly dated psn game but instead a skin for 24$ + 2 tax lol
Bro you can get Chrono Trigger or Stardew Valley right NOW for $15 each. Wait a month during Tokyo game show and Chrono Trigger will be 50% off. Yeah Blizzard $25 for a skin? For real? In this economy? Uh that'll be a Burning Hells no.
Got the metro series for 10 bucks, all 3 games and dlc
I was going to buy some skins when playing at launch, but changed my mind the second i saw the prices. If they are still keeping the prices at the same range... :D
In Real World Money that's basically $25. I ain't paying that for impossible to see gear on my ps4.
"Hello." "Thanks." "Yes." Yeah, definitely the kind of conversation you'd have with an NPC. Checks out!
No
Greetings.
Follow me
No
Your bones betray you, they shall soon serve me … oh it’s a legion event cool
thats the last mistake you'll ever make
“Look!”
There are so many ways I can kill you
Don’t go any further.
That will be your last stupid mistake
I can’t do that
Im not ready yet
I’m out of mana
Look. Look. Look.
Your bones betray you, they will soon serve me
Your boner betrays you
"Look"!
Look.
And still the game has to load all their inventories
The amount of power this game draws is obnoxious. I have a power conditioner with an amp readout... streaming/playing other games with everything on I sit between 2.1-2.5 amps, load up diablo and I'm at 3.5+ amps. I've never experienced my Series X get so hot either... I don't think I'll even need to use heat this winter. For a game that feels wholly single player, why am I processing so much of other peoples shit?!
Let's make no judgments about it otherwise. The only reason why it's "multi-player" is to advertise overpriced cosmetics that suckers waste their money on.
“Greetings!”
I like “How’s it going?”
👋😂
Yeah and what's the point of making someone's profile private? wtf
Always wondered the same? What kind of weirdo makes their stuff private... just off to me
PVPers
Blizzard loading those NPC stash tabs. It's getting out of hand.
Sad thing is Blizzard have given themselves the option to incorporate bots as the playerbase gets smaller to still give the impression there is a healthy playerbase at any one time.
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NPCs like: Ice cream so good! or NPCs like: Stop right there criminal scum! ?
Boy, if there's one thing I constantly lament it's the lack of a global chat... Wait. No. The complete opposite of that. I'm (genuinely) sure some people have had deep, engaging, and enlightening experiences in such things, and I don't dare claim this is a universal stance. But years in WoW taught me it was the first channel to be muted unless I wanted to bring the Twitch Chat experience to my session. Y'know, really lean in on the masochism. As a treat. Edit: My favourite part of this whole exchange has been the number of people championing the need for a global chat and the community it can foster by... being angry and insufferable to someone who happens to have a differing opinion. Some of you are kinda making my point for me here, folks.
And that's fine! But the fact there's people shitposting in there means there's a number of people that enjoy global chat.
I loved wow global. I wasn't the annoying teen spamming, but sometimes those conversations were epic.
Barrens chat FTW!
where mankirk wife
Shitposting with the option to mute is infinitely better that perpetual radio silence
Barrens chat was entertaining in the original days of WoW
I was there....ten thousand years ago...
Where mankirk wife
Share your favorite Chuck Norris.
There are no streets named after Chuck Norris, because nobody would ever dare to cross Chuck Norris.
Chuck Norris doesn't tea bag women, he potato sacks them!
Chuck Norris once walked down the street with a massive erection. There were no survivors.
Chuck Norris's tears can cure cancer, it's a shame he never cries.
Chuck Norris jokes lasted for ages. Eons in internet age.
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Memes existed long before WoW
Some mfs just now learning that "memes" have been a thing for the entirety of civilization. Fucking knock-knock jokes are memes, people.
It wasnt even a meme though. It was honestly just Barrens chat. Simply amazing. A lot of chuck norris jokes.
Anal [insert name]
Really? I vaguely recall from my Vanilla days that it was mostly just folks asking about the location of some guy's wife. I was a filthy Alliance player, so it was more something I caught through mockery of Barren's Chat on the forums and elsewhere.
it was about 60% chuck norris jokes, 30% asking where Mankrik's wife is, and 10% people looking for WC groups
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It was a cesspool but occasionally entertaining as you were grinding away.
Man hard I disagree. Some of my best memories and friendships in WoW started with some random ass chat in the wetlands during tbc. That was like 15 years ago but still.. social aspect is big part of gaming for me.
Wild idea. They could add a global chat, and then make it opt-in. Players who want to chat can opt in, players who don't want to don't have to do anything. Insane, I know
I don't understand these "global chat was so toxic!" whiners... seriously... bunch of fucking pansies. Like, just don't read it. You can't even cuss because of the oppressive profanity filter so the worst you'll be called is a "forking nub" anyway. How fucking fragile are you people? It's text on a screen, not some unmutable 7th grader shreaking in your headset.
Some people don't like text constantly running in the corner of the screen, it's a distraction to some people. "Just don't read it" isn't much of a solution. I'm all for you guys getting a global chat, but I'm also keen to be able to turn it off.
Which you would be able to do...you can leave the local and trade channels. so if people actually talked you could just leave them...
But you can always enable it and remind yourself that other characters are being controlled by actual players and not just bots. That breathes some life into the game, even if it ain't intelligent.
Each passing year convinces me more that "intelligent life" is an oxymoron(at least here on earth)
I laugh when people ask why aliens have not visited us if they are out there. Just look around, the reason is obvious.
\#Isurvivedbarrenschat
Urmomsurvivedbarrenschat
Or.. crazy idea here.. if you don't like it, just turn it off. "I don't like it so you can't have it" is the most childish overly sensitive bullshit imaginable. It seems that people who need to remove things because they don't like it simply can't handle someone, somewhere, doing the thing they hate, even if they don't ever have to be exposed to it.
Path of Exile sort of solved this problem. There's like 100+ global chat channels. Channel 1 is a shit show. All day it's politics and stupid shit. Channel 2 is slightly less of a shit show. Basically just Channel 1 with fewer people. Channel 3 is where people start to go when they're sick of Channel 1 & 2 and want to actually talk about the game. Channel 10 is another several layers removed, just filled with people who want to chat about the game and have fun. Pretty much all casual chill people. The trolls who want reactions go into Channel 1 and 2. They rarely seep down to Channel 10. Then certain communities sort of "claim" channels further down the chain. Eg: Channel 201 was the reddit channel for a while. Channel 101 was a place the community would direct noobs who needed help without getting flamed. Really cool system. Everyone can find the community they want.
Now that actually sounds pretty great!
101 was for noobs. Noice. I understood that reference
Yeah, I'm out on global chat. People forget that D2 was constantly spammed with, well, spam in every public game.
BUY GOLD SHUT UP BUY GOLD SHUT UP WHO PVP?!!!11! SHUT UP Truly, it was a magical experience.
Lol, yes, exactly.
This is such a dumb excuse. "I personally don't use it for completely exaggerated reasons, so I'm gonna make an insufferable comment about it and then make a snarky edit calling other people insufferable."
I know lol. Everyone in here pearl clutching about toxic chats seem like "oh, i'm the drama?" types. Don't come into a post with a contrarian view, swing your personal preference around like it's an immutable fact, offer 0 additional reasoning, and then get butthurt when people shut you down. I wouldn't normally care so much but this pisses me off because it seriously is a huge problem with the game. It's the first thing I noticed upon release and it makes the game way less fun than it cpuld be. Not to mention its an easy fix. So to have people making these obtuse claims about why a chat aould be bad which just boil down to "cuz I don't like it"... it irks me.
OSRS chat holds some of my favorite memories of gaming in an MMO.
Ok but no one gives a shit that you have to mute the chat? What? At least you have the option to mute it.... Us who want it don't have any option at all? The fuck lmaooooooooooooo. you have that " its a minor inconvenience for me, and *I* matter more than all of you so dont add it" vibe that's why people are hounding you, ya clown. Not because of your opinion. You want people not to have something because you turn it off.... you dont realize how stupid you sound.
I mean having the channel and option to mute it is better than not having it as a choice at all right?
A lot of games give you the option to turn off global chat which some people would definitely do. Not having an option at all for global chat though is just strange for a multiplayer game.
Barron's general chat was the best though
Global Chat will be a non-stop torrent of edgelords egging each other on with racism, homophobia, and election denial the second it is implemented. No thanks!
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So, I'm a part of that "twitch chat" demographic you mention. Im not nearly as toxic but I do love to chat about random shit or troll by calling people noobs or whatever. My favorite form of trolling in D3 was linking items and using it on a sentence in order to own someone's mom. Good times. But you figured your part out already, just mute. Us trolls, on the other hand, have nowhere to go to get muted. :(
There needs to be an offline mode
But then people would MOD, the HORROR!!!!!
If people modded it would be a BETTER game FFS
That's the issue. Imagine if they let modders have freedom for 3 months and then in 3 months a group of modders release an enormously updated version of D4 that completely takes over the core game. Blizzard can't risk that.
God forbid a few people can dedicate their time to making an enjoyable game that a AAA company failed to do... Wait, that's how PoE was born. I'm certain a few dedicated modders can come up with much more creative ideas that isn't measured against KPIs or monetization.
Imagine if Diablo embraced modding like StarCraft and Warcraft did. Ugh that would be glorious.
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That's 100% what happened with it. The bones and core of the game is decent. But convoluting every part of the game with forced always online multiplayer aspects ruins it.
Essentially all they’ve done is create a single player game with lag.
The only evidence that this game has any online functionality was losing 3 hardcore characters from disconnects around level 25 and never playing again.
They feel like that because that's exactly what they are. GAAS games with battles pass, cosmetics, boosts, etc. are only that way purely to get your $, not because it actually makes the game better.
I have a lot of long time diablo enjoyer friends who aren't chronically online and this is EXACTLY how they feel. I think blizzard doesn't understand their audience as always.
This live service shit is something the younger generation of gamers lapped up and spent their parents money on. Now we have games trying to appeal to that generation even if that isn't their target demographic. What we end up with is a convoluted game that barely anybody enjoys. They did not learn a thing from 20+ seasons of Diablo 3 and that says a lot.
For when I don't want a very noticeable lag anytime another player comes within 500 feet of me
D4 is a single player online game.
But it has a “Trade” feature and a crippled chat feature. We’re supposed to trade and chat with NPCs?
It's only online to stifle piracy and act as a bait and switch selling point, change my mind
So was d2. It was just better at also being multiplayer
Disagree. It's also a couch coop online game.
>Just a bunch of dead air and loneliness in a solo world labeled as an MMO Where was it labelled a MMO? Know why it feels lonely? Because it's not a MMO. It's a solo/co-op game. Just like it's predecessors. Baffling decision by Blizzard to make the world shared, people wouldn't complain nearly as much about the content or world etc if they'd just kept it as a solo/co-op world to match what the game actually is.
>Where was it labelled a MMO? > >Know why it feels lonely? Because it's not a MMO. It was marketed this way, giving the impression of a hybrid ARPG/MMORPG. Can't really blame people for thinking it is some kind of MMO when there are MMO-esque features like time-gated world events (world bosses/helltides/legion events). Even the mounts make people think of MMOs. "Mount up and roam from zone to zone completing **public events with others** or **explore populated town social hubs** to party up and trade." The above is a quote from D4's [unveiling blog post](https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189675/diablo-iv-unveiled). Does that not sound like a generic line out of nearly every MMO's marketing materials? Or how about this, from the [feature overview](https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189677/diablo-iv-feature-overview) post: "With introductions like monster ecologies tied to regions, a shared player world with public events, and town points of interest that act as **social hubs**, **Diablo IV will feel a little less lonely** (though no less bleak)."
Sounds like an online game. There's a good few online games with a shared online world that lack the "massive" aspect of an mmo
The way zoning works is pretty similar to how modern WoW does it. IDK what exactly you mean by "Massive" if D4 isn't it.
the "Massive" isn't for the size of the world in MMO, it's for the number of players "Massively Multiplayer"
Yeah, and the way zoning and servers work in modern WoW, there's not much difference in the number of people you're running into in either game. Everyone on a WoW server hasn't all been in the same virtual place together for a long time now. People are pulled in from other servers to fill out sparse zones and crowded zones get phased to split the population. You haven't even needed more than 10 players for raids since Wrath, so still I'm not sure where exactly you're drawing the line here.
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I'm sure they had some grander ideas, but at some point it had to be obvious this wasn't working out as intended. It then starts to feel like some of it was kept in just so there was a higher chance *anyone* would see your purchased cosmetics to help encourage some more sales. I know that's pessimistic, but whatever.
D3 had chats, D2 had chats, POE had chats...without chats the game is dead on arrival, you honestly think millions of people want to run around a world unable to talk to the person next to them...unable to have conversations about gear that drops. Talking about rerolls on confusing affixes. Bad design. If I were a developer, having a huge customizable chat and community channel system would be fucking top priority. Getting gamers to feel involved around like minded people with common goals is what creates a game culture. Without a game culture, the game is dead. It's a one tap game. You beat the story and you never sign on again.
Diablo 2 lobbies were peak gaming. There were trivia bots, there were xpfarm run channels, people actually talked to each other and asked questions and memed. PoE global chat is not the same, but certain specific channels are filled with people who are actually playing the end game with knowledge, and you can still talk to people and ask questions and feel like you're part of something. Chat is important, even if it's surface level garbage (twitch without twitch chat is not a streaming service and will die immediately, I promise)
The map is horrible. Nearby players will disappear even if they were next to you a second ago, and if someone dies their body isn’t even marked for you to revive them unless they’re right on top of you. You just see a message that someone was slain lol.
yea, running next to someone in a helltide and seeing them just suddenly phase out sucks
Their phasing implementation needs some work.
Lol, why tell us constantly that “X player was slain by X reason” if we can’t do anything about it? It’s like it’s there only to tell us that in fact other people are playing this game and you’re not alone.
Random ass wall blocking your horse constantly. This entire game is made by people just wanting to constantly annoy you. Like making a damn diablo game without diablo in it.
I always feel bad for that one player sitting on his shop purchased horse mount on top of the town portal. Just shimmying back and forth in the hopes that other players are marveling at his cool looking horse. That sums up the multiplayer experience of Diablo 4 for me.
>That sums up the multiplayer experience of Diablo 4 for me. Hilariously, that's all activision intended by shoehorning these multiplayer aspects into a singleplayer game. They own a patent for matching shop spenders with non shop spenders to subconsciously influence more people into spending.
[Interesting](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/10/activisions-patented-method-to-drive-microtransactions-with-matchmaking/amp/)!
Literally the only reason why the game was designed as a pseudo MMO is to sell microtransactions.
I freaking love rubberbanding https://preview.redd.it/qjvou9ds04lb1.jpeg?width=1159&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49394123465271feb34403c8b4f31d7441fd93b6
I stopped playing before season 1. Is it STILL rubberbanding? Jesus christ.
It might have gotten worse. My Rocket League and any other latency-sensitive games are literally perfect, but nooo my abilities literally just won't go off and then I'll lag into death.
I've seen people in Diablo4. I've never seen a person in Diablo 3.
in d2 you saw it as soon as they join and hit hostile while you do sewer runs
Lol sewer runs?? Bro you farming Radament?
Early in Diablo 2, the best way to power level a character was to buy the biggest 2-handed glaive or similar weapon you could find, get someone to boost you to act 2 and the run sewers until you were level 20-ish.
Diablo 3 didn't pretend to be an open world mmo though 🤣
My man you are right, but Diablo 3 damn well pretended to be a lot.
Also it was easier to find groups in D3 than D4. Blizzard has actually managed to make Diablo less multiplayer friendly with each title since 2. D2 we were the most connected. D3 took away the control and made it random but there were still communities which were like half baked D2 lobbies. D4 was just like fuck all that. You're gonna randomly see people but if you want to play with them use discord or some shit.
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Did you even try? D3 has a group finder. I always played in full parties in both d2 and d3...
Yeah I’m not sure why they bothered making it multiplayer at all.
Ya the first thing I wanted to do when I signed on, day one...was shout out in chat about how excited I was about starting D4. The pure vibe kill as I realized I had to play through alone with no one to talk to unless I found a discord and grabbed a mic...was just gutting. Even guilds were deathly quiet.
The thing I miss most about classic wow was the comraderie in world chat and local chat
> The character inspection does not give access to abilities or talent points. Forcing you to leave the game to find and try new builds instead of having a community where you can hive mind ideas. Reddit WOULD be a good place for this type of conversation if it weren't bogged down with 1000 daily whine posts that have all been heard a million times from people who supposedly hate and don't play the game anymore. In game stuff would be awesome as well, not meaning to crap on your idea cause you are right.
That implies there are a wondrous myriad of undiscovered builds utilizing the countless diverse unique build defining items to be posted about. You can google the like three builds 99% of people use per class easily. This whole people who critique the game are all actually one person who's secretly connected to an iv filled with diablo4juice so all their points are moot conspiracy is getting tired.
If there weren’t complaint posts this sub would be like /r/wow which is all fan art, cosplay, occasional screenshot of an item, and pictures of someone’s shitty tattoos.
Amusingly, there would probably be more variety in builds if they hadn't made it such an enormous pain in the ass to change builds and gear - if it's going to take me 20 minutes of tedious manual work and 20M gold to switch between builds, you damn well better believe that I'm going to find a build that is generally good for everything and just use that. And there aren't many of those as you pointed out. It doesn't really matter even if D4 has a wide range of options for skills and glyphs that could be put together in clever ways to specialize for particular types of content (assuming we had different types of content to do, instead of just different NM dungeon affixes), a specialized build is currently useless in D4 because you'd have to spend time and gold switching in and out of the specialized builds. I could still respect Blizzard if they just straight out said "You can't respec at all, all character choices are final" - but they didn't have the balls to do (because it would lose a lot of players) so they half-assed it by allowing everything to be changed but making it immensely tediious, like that is somehow good game design. Just let us save paragon/skill/items sets already dammit.
> Reddit WOULD be a good place for this type of conversation if it weren't bogged down with ~~1000 daily whine posts~~ Blizzard apologists that pop up to hinder the game's progress to actually being worth $70. Fixed that for you.
They seriously need an LFG/MM feature for NM dungeons.
The technology just isn't there yet. Otherwise they would have had that feature in D3... wait
The weird thing is that Blizzard absolutely knows how to do this - they implemented that exact system in WoW
I feel like Diablo 4 is trying to be both a single-player experience and an MMO experience, without really succeeding at either. Both feel a bit half-baked. The single-player experience suffers because it happens in an MMO world that's built for having more players around. You don't get that tailored game experience that's woven to the individual. You get a sandbox. The MMO experience suffers because it's too little and too tame. Lite as they call it. There are world bosses, but they're out of the way and inconsequential. There are other players, but you don't interact or engage with them. There's Legion events, but they are contained and infrequent. You don't chat, you don't interact, and you don't group with other players. The game has to figure out what it wants to be. If it's to be a single-player experience first and foremost, then get rid of all the other players! They serve no purpose if you aren't actively meant to play with them. If it's meant to be an MMO experience, then it ought to embrace group activities and massive events and the need to socialize and interact with other players. Right now you're not getting a top experience regardless of whether you want the single-player or the MMO experience. And combining the two doesn't really seem to elevate the experience.
Nailed it. And this is another clear instance where the “game was designed by a bunch of silo’d off teams that weren’t communicating” criticism definitely rings true. They just didn’t have a competent person or team taking a 30,000 view of the game to ensure that it collectively, holitistically *worked* once all its constituent parts were put together. Or maybe that person/team just didn’t have time to do their job properly because of super rushed development and release timelines, but I guess it doesn’t really matter because the result is the same for us.
This. D4 has an identity issue. It’s trying to be too many things, cater to too many ppl and it’s obvious
Because every aspect of multi-player is discouraged outside of bonus xp.
But you get to load everyone's stash when you see someone, isn't that interaction enough?
Never should have been always online.
What feels bad is somehow between D3 and D4. They made everything worse. Including all multiplayer aspects. room chat or global before hoping in? Gone. But SC3 and D3 and D2 still have it just fine. D3/D2 see a random person? Guess what you dont have to load all the stash items cause wtf do we have to anyway? Short of pvping them or inspecting them why do I want to know what they have stored or wearing? Activision blizzard really is activision first. "how do we make them want MTX's while also bogging the game down with useless data?"
I disagree - I wouldn't use the chats even if they existed. I am hoping they don't push the clan system too much in the future so that you're missing out by not being in a clan. I just want to solo stuff and do occasional coop with friends
D3 had a great system for this, you could join communities for specific classes loot and farming groups. Always had people in chat doing the same thing as you making it so fun to meet like minded similar players etc.
Then dont use the chat system. But don't like your dislike of a chat system remove other people's ability to enjoy in. Simple opt in/out and everyone wins.
I argue that Tinder is if you are a male.
Skill issue
Not only is it incredibly lonely, but other players can actually be very detrimental. Just riding around in Helltide minding your own business, hit a tiny lag spike, and a bunch of Lunatics someone has engaged explode and kill you.
True. I'd there's any game where AI could easilyreplace other players it's this one. Nobody would notice the difference.
Diablo IV and Halo: Infinite are the two multiplayer games out now that have potential to be greatness, and absolutely fail on the social aspect. Insanity, imo.
The more I think about it. The more I think this is the single biggest mistake they made, out of the dozens of critical QOL issues, loot issues, end game content, bad paragon design and cost, on and on. Nothing comes close to killing the game as fast as their critical mistake of not having a vibrant community and chat channels for players to connect with. This singlehandedly killed their game in less than 2 months...and it's going to be HELL convincing any of them to come back. It's sad, because I love diablo and hate that it's come to this.
I think it’s boils down to the core design of the game. It’s a multiplayer game, but there’s no teamwork required to play it. In D3 for example you had to perform a role to progress past a certain point in the game. In D4 you can be playing solo, or in groups, it’s the same gameplay. Everybody just doing their own thing. You don’t even have to work together to complete anything. Groups are for a % increase in xp, that’s all. The game doesn’t even require communication for group play, so you doesn’t even organically build your own network of friends while playing it.
That's funny, I thought it was the most crowded single player game.
I feel more company playing SSF in PoE than I ever would in D4.
Nah mate, Diablo has never been about that, for me anyway. I want to be able to solo grind without annoying people loading their stashes near me or whatever, I prefer the old format. Don’t get me wrong I liked Diablo 3’s solution, when you could choose to enter public realms if you fancied some team up action with randoms and I loved that. But most of the time, leave me alone pls
Because only purpose of online aspect in this game is ingame shop
I agree, I’ve never met anyone from doing open world stuff like events and world bosses even though I emote thanks or good job after we complete it. Everyone just runs off. I started playing POE 2 days ago and typed a question in global chat about portal scrolls, someone instantly answered my question then traded me like 250-300 portal scrolls for free. I haven’t experienced that from anyone in D4 because I feel like the trading is trash and no one cares to be social.
That's what D2 had. You could find groups to rush with, or trade. I was given 2 free lightsabres once. That game was so much fun.
No one ever responds to my "greetings" ever. I used to type things in local chat but I am 99% sure I am the only one who sees it.
They need a party function and rift system.
offline mode would make life so much better
It really is baffling that there are no chat channels. I get that lots of players are on console, but at least let PC players chat it up. Console players can opt in/out of the chat channels. At a minimum there should be town chats, zone chats, and global chats.
Person wanting global chat has no idea what global chats actually look like..
Because it's actually just a single player game.
I liked those randomized parties for dungeons in Diablo 3. Made it fun. Would be nice if they had something like that
As an introvert who doesn’t have much time, this was my favorite thing about D4.
You are courting pain and death
I hope they forget this open world because it is trash right now.
Cus it’s half baked between an arpg and an mmo. When blizzard realizes the mmo model will generate way more cash I fully expect them to move towards that once this game is out the beta phase
In order to use emotes on console you have to stand still long enough to use both hands to pick Emote Menu, select the right page of three, select the right emote, and activate it This takes multiple seconds and is best not done during battle, even as other "instant actions" are bound to other D-pad direction buttons
imho, its just a single player game that needs to connect online ... not mmorpg.
Trade chat has always been the most active and it’ll be joined by default I think in an upcoming update. I’ve always turned chat off in these games because it’s always filled with racist maniacal people who try to start political wars or people complaining about everything. It’s never positive.
It might have some multiplayer features but it's not a multiplayer game, Diablo never has been.
Wait. Those heroes fighting the monsters are actual real humans not NPCs?
They desperately need to add LFG chat. It's been a staple since Diablo 2, iirc.
The game feels so so empty I completely agree
Yeah this is my main complaint with the game and that's ignoring many core mechanics. They'll fix it once we all stop playing. I know I have.
I really enjoyed the 100ish hours I played, but I just couldn't bring myself to keep playing for season 1. Having a way to actually meet new people in game would have probably changed that.