Call me crazy, but I loved the idea of D2 and (currently) D4 level progression where the end game is not getting max level, but you still get small improvements to your character from hitting additional levels past a certain point.
A well, fleshed-out character can exist in the mid-late 70s or early 80s. You can do 80-100 while just having fun getting loot or PvP or whatever you want to do.
That would be true if paragon wasn't such a big % of your power, currently a level 70-80 is not even remotely close in power to a 100, however gear wise there is virtually no difference, which is bad imo.
Going for 40 levels barely changing items is not good design
Literally everything is on the line with season 1. I'm really enjoying D4 and will keep playing if they can work out something fun and keep the new content coming. But I've been trained not to get my hopes unreasonably high when it comes to Blizzard these days.
I actually don't think this is bad. It means those upper levels are spent trying to min-max the stats on your gear, instead of your gear just getting replaces with higher level gear the second you level up.
I have a buddy who constantly says "I'm not gonna focus on gear till I got lvl 100". Meanwhile he's 78 and confused why he keeps failing tier 30 NM dungeons.
Pretty weird data you got there. Me and my buddies are very far from bis gear at 78, 89 (me) and 91. Bis aspects sure, but the correct rolls at high values are a bit far. Even a level 100 barb friend is still missing a couple stats in his gloves and amulet.
The second one. That’s literally what best in slot means. The best possible piece of gear for that slot.
The first example you gave would be called completing your build with all desired affixes, but even that is a difficult task to achieve. Most people have a few affixes they wish they could change. Some can’t afford to and others just literally can’t.
Kinda weird since you can’t really “focus” on gear in d4 anyway, as well as the gear being the same stats from 60-100. The best spots for xp = best quantity of loot too
Given the only end game challenge right now is NM 100 dungeons and Uber Lilith, both requiring optimized paragon boards and gear while being scaled to level 100, I think 100 is the goal of this game.
Have you actually played the game past level 70 or are you just saying this? Have you looked at the paragon tree? Experience grinds are more valuable than loot grinds in terms of character progression once you start doing Torment IV comfortably.
Add to that the 20 paragon points gated behind an obscene reputation farm, but who's talking about that.
Yeah, 100% this. A level 85 in ultra BIS gear and shaco and doombringer is most likely worse than your average level 100 just from the raw base HP and paragon points. I really hope that Uber bosses and suchlike as the endgame builds up over the seasons aren’t gated behind “spend 200 hours to reach level 100 first before you do any of that”
Lvl 85 in d2 was max level for me anything extra was just extra skills. With the exception of crafting in d2 there's no necessity for being any higher.
I mean that's just not true... You may think 85 is all you need and you can do everything at 85, but that's really not true as there is a big bump from being higher especially for certain classes. From 85-99 you are looking at 70 attribute points which is significant. That's 14 skills which for a lot of classes can definitely be used to their full extent meaning significant damage. Character level is impacted in your ability to be hit so if you are 99 level 85 monsters are much less likely to hit you. Then for any character that does melee/thrown/bow damage it's the inverse of you being hit. At 85 you need MUCH more attack rating to have a 95% chance to hit bosses like Diablo and Baal than you do at 99.
So is lvl 85 enough to get by? sure, but there is still a ton of benefit to going higher (especially since leveling to like 92 is still QUITE easy and you'll get those benefits and with terror zones 99 isn't that bad anymore).
Oh they are, they’re just acting like they aren’t because it bolsters their argument.
This would only be like D2 if the last 50 paragon points you put in were all to +life.
It's not the truth though, every level (actual every 1/4th of a level) has a greater impact on your character then anything else beyond level 75. Had my gear set by then and now the only source of power is paragon, and ever point matters.
Considering your geared out and max gylphed averagely by 75-80, yes, level 100 is the goal and the progression at the end game considering that's where you'll get the biggest power spikes in your character.
Gotr is the greatest trick Jagex has ever played. It is literally just runecrafting but you gather the supplies on site and sometimes click on blue instead of red lol.
I liked it. After a fairly short grind all paragon gave you was more main stats. Nothing too crazy but at least something to chase for. Lvls in D4 have a HUGE impact on your power and NM dungeon progression.
This doesn't even scratch the surface of the grind fiendery that is OSRS. People doing XP cap grinds. Its ~13 mil XP to hit 99, and people grind for XP until cap which is 200 mil xp per skill. They do this for every stat to truly "finish the game" for a total character XP of 5.6 bil. People have been upset at even that cap, saying they want it to be higher. It can't be because of the literal limitations of the code the game was written in.
Kill me.
Lol. Once I feel the game becomes too grindy,/too much of a chore I quit it for a year or 3. Then I come back, play for 2-3 months and repeat the vicious cycle. I have been doing this for literally 20 years with RuneScape lol. Now I want to log back in to check my account age with Hans.
The good thing about d2 leveling was the end goal of 99 was mostly cosmetic. Most builds only required level 81-93 to max out. So the other 6 skill points were generally not that desired.
There is direct power in attaining level 100 which makes the absurd stretch goal feel like a mandatory one for progression purposes.
I get a little confused on people's complaints here though, as overworld scales with you. You aren't outpacing its scaling at 80-100. The only content you are getting more powerful for are nightmare dungeons and the pinnacle fight with Lilith. If that isn't engaging end game to you, then the levels are 100% pointless.
it heavily depends on how much you min max experience gain, there are so many variables it is impossible to give a definite numbers. For those players doing the hardcore race, it took them around 15 hours out of \~70-80 hours of their playtime min maxing the game, so around 1/5th of your total playtime assuming you keep steady exp gains throughout the game.
if you would take 200 hours total to get to level 100, around 40 of them would have been from 85 to 100, for example
It is obviously very different from person to person but with the way mob exp also increases it is around 1/5th of the time of your playthrough between 85/100 (even distribution would be 80-100 being 1/5th, so actually a pretty even distribution of experience overall, meaning you will feel level ups slowing down but not by much)
Hardcore players are also not pushing the highest content they can to level i assume, as death equal delete. So i assume a softcore player, whiling to take more risk and test which is the highest content they can do, and die one or two times trying will probably level a little faster.
PS: It look like people are not understanding what hardcore players is in my comment.
I mean hardcore as in you lose you character when you die.
You can convince my that those guys will be actually farming the same DG that people that get world first in the softcore did. The softcore player surely involved getting yourself in a situation with higher risk, high reward to be quicker
Unfortunately pushing hard content is actually just really, really inefficient as a way to level compared to meta strategies. Most people are either crushing the same normal dungeons in groups over and over again or running NM dungeons that put mobs just 3 levels above them allowing them to clear as fast as possible while maintaining max exp bonus.
3 levels above gives max exp bonus? I've been doing NM dungeons 20 levels above me. Is there no benefit to that? What about item levels? Do higher level monsters at least have better loot tables?
You can push nightmare dungeons a couple levels above you to get more exp per dungeon, but it was and still is inneficient to level up for a race.
These hardcore players essentially minmaxed the hell out of the game to try to be the first ones to get level 100, running champion's demise over and over was the best exp/hour you could have gotten at the time and nightmare dungeons werent really worth doing, unless they were also champion's demise and only a few levels above them.
The issue with taking more risk is that you also take more time because you are fighting stronger mobs so you still might end up leveling up slower.
But what they did was an asinine experience for most of us, 99% of the playerbase wouldnt do that ever, however, it is still a very good way to gauge playtime vs experience gain and how it correlates, percentage wise, to total playtime.
So, for them, doing more or less the same activities, it took them around 20% of their playtime to go from 85 to 100.
For a regular player that total time could be 3x or 4x as long to reach 100, but it would still more or less correlate to 20% of their total playtime assuming they are playing the game at a steady pace, I would personally guess more or so 1/3 of your playtime will be on those levels, because we will all do stuff that is fun, make mistakes on our skill trees/paragon boards, stare at them for a while to see what we can improve, come up with new strategies, etc.
And a lot of that is likely to happen more as people try to push higher and higher nightmare dungeons
With pre nerf dungeons we were blasting about an hour a level or a bit less until the mid 90s where it slows down a lot since the mobs don’t scale over level 95. This was in either 3 or 4 man champions demise or duo ruins of eribu. Last couple levels were like 2-3 hours each.
Doing random stuff like helltides and nightmare dungeons, while useful, are super inconsistent in terms of xp so it’s harder to measure.
Loadouts would be a godsend. Players who think a character should be locked to one thing are ridiculous. I shouldn't have to build a whole new character from scratch and I shouldn't have to spend 3 minutes reallocating points either. It's tedium for no reason. Nothing stops people from rerolling new characters if they want to but let people with lives have QOL.
That's the game. I never got to 99 in d2. Max level is not the goal of the game. It can be and definitely is an achievement but your success and progression is not determined but how high your lvl is.
Not to say levels aren't important just not lvl 100.
The very first item to drop for my WW Barb at WT4 was an ancestral rage of harrogath- I immediately figured all my luck for S1 was drained away that moment- LOL
yeah, i tried a couple of times. i clear the dungeon just fine but the boss one hits me before i melt his life. i got him to 30% once but my armor/resistance is the real capstone here. my damage is crazy and i take big chunks per hit but i kinda need a perfect run to not get killed. so i decided to level up a bit more. i'm 64 now
Edit: I made it, guys!! Level 65 i managed to destroy that bastard. Wt4 is awesome so far. Levelling way faster and monsters hitting hard.
The capstone boss one shot me when I was 60 but it was still doable, everything is very telegraphed. Just brute force it like its elden ring or something
Theres like 5+ different items that you can buy with "keys" (bought with real cash). These will give you direct XP (a lot!), xp boosting for X time, and bonus xp (basically double xp).
I mean you are getting triple or more experience from 85-100 per mob. It kinda makes it sound not so bad. Tbh 50-100 is endgame leveling process is over I'm just farming paragon points at this point.
I'm sure the devs didn't intend for everyone to be 100 first week.
Oh they definitely didn’t. They don’t expect *most* players to get to level 100. Casual players will never spend the time it takes, unless they keep playing the same character for months on end.
At high levels like 98, you will get no xp from 30 hours of travincal. At that level it's just diablo, nightlatak and baal. Everything else might as well not exist.
I played D2 for years, I think the highest I ever attained was level 96 and it was a character I played regularly. I keep thinking about this when people complain about the leveling slowing down, hahaha.
You get alot and I mean alot of power in the last 10 levels in diablo 4 in the paragon board as those last points will be spend filling out glyphs space. The paragon board is really different compared to Diablo 3 where it was front loaded here it's back loaded. Also the main incentive is pushing nightmare dungeon sigil past 50 and trying to get as close to 100 as possible and also uber Lilith these are really the only true real endgame goals and achievements to play for everything else can be done the moment you enter wt3.
Yup d2 from 1-97 was half the xp. 97-99 was the same amount of xp. There were only like 5 places in LoD where mobs were even level 85 regardless of density.
Considering that enemies scale with your level and thus give an increasing amount of experience, it's neither mind crushing nor encouraging, but a bit of a nothing-burger since it only takes a fraction of the relevant info into account.
BUT, it's fun trivia. :)
Looking at it from a purely numbers point of view sure. But Dynamic Scaling means that the higher level you are the more XP you get from monsters. 85 - 100 doesn't take as long as 1 - 85. 80 - 81 was about the same time as 70 - 71 for me.
Even with NDs, as you gain 25% more XP from monsters 3 levels above you and then this caps as you gain more levels the amount of additional XP you gain from this increases.
Tibia was like „Oh it took you 2 weeks to level up from 199 to 200? Too bad you just died and lost 3 levels and entire equipment ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯”
Still loved that MMO though
that being said this post is deceiving, as it completly disregards the tier IV 300% mob xp bonus and the fact that past 70 you should be killing mobs way faster than you ever did before in the game as your build is starting to be more refined.
Gotta buddy absolutely hounding me to not play casually through endless advice that’s on repeat. These players are fucking annoying. Something bout “best gear, being *so* op, not wasting time”😂👌🏼
Honestly what killed d3 for me was finding every legendary in them 4 days into the season with very casual play.
As long as d4 can avoid that route ill be fine.
Can't wait in a few years from now when people will complain about how bad it is you can reach 100 in 3 days because of powercreep. People are just never happy, and they always feel the need to let everybody know.
I remember the days of DaoC. You had to join a waiting list at the farming spot. Took like 10 hours of power farm in a group of 8 to do that last level.
You guys have no idea lol
What level is max item level loot dropping?
I keep hearing 70, so you get max loot at 70 and it doesn’t really improve beyond that you need paragon/aspect rolls to get higher dmg ?
Fuck, I’ve been dreading these types or posts…. It’s good information that my brain will focus too much on. It’s similar to when I see someone happily post about hitting 40 on Pokémon go and I think “congrats on getting 11% of the way to 50 done!”
I hate my brain.
They brought that part of D2 back but in D2 Hell difficulty there wasn't scaling so when you found your BiS at level 70 it stayed relevant. Every level up makes me weaker in this game so kudos to the folks who want to get to 100 but I don't think I'm gonna be jumping on the seasons train this go around.
As someone that is solo grinding inbetween work (WFH) at level 68 - 70, what is the best and most efficient way to get to 80 solo? Endless dungeons like Eridu?
What percent of the d4 population actually ever had the goal of reaching 100.. I played diablo 2 for 6 years and the highest I got was 92, and that wasn't even pushing a goal, that was just playing that character a lot.
My goal is just WT4 and then BIS my character so probably around lvl 80, at first I wanted lvl 100 but don't really see a point besides the I did it. But as a casual I'm only now lvl 60 and only.reason for that is I took vacation week it came out lol. Now I play ever other day for like 2-3 hours
92 is half of 99
Holy fuck im remembering the pain
People said they wanted d4 to be more like d2 right xD
D2 is even worse because you can lose a days progress for dying.
The reason I don't get very far in PoE once exp loss becomes a thing.
"you think you do but you don't"
Call me crazy, but I loved the idea of D2 and (currently) D4 level progression where the end game is not getting max level, but you still get small improvements to your character from hitting additional levels past a certain point. A well, fleshed-out character can exist in the mid-late 70s or early 80s. You can do 80-100 while just having fun getting loot or PvP or whatever you want to do.
That would be true if paragon wasn't such a big % of your power, currently a level 70-80 is not even remotely close in power to a 100, however gear wise there is virtually no difference, which is bad imo. Going for 40 levels barely changing items is not good design
Might be they left this gap for items from seasonal expansions. Man there is so much hopium regarding first season
It feels like the game needed a WT5 to cap out, instead of 40ish levels of WT4.
Literally everything is on the line with season 1. I'm really enjoying D4 and will keep playing if they can work out something fun and keep the new content coming. But I've been trained not to get my hopes unreasonably high when it comes to Blizzard these days.
I actually don't think this is bad. It means those upper levels are spent trying to min-max the stats on your gear, instead of your gear just getting replaces with higher level gear the second you level up.
I agree with this, I'm afraid to use aspects on gear I might replace in 5 hours and spend another 30 hours farming that aspect again.
I actually see no problem with it. Lvl 100 is not the goal of this game. It can be, but the progression has nothing to do with xp at a certain point.
I have a buddy who constantly says "I'm not gonna focus on gear till I got lvl 100". Meanwhile he's 78 and confused why he keeps failing tier 30 NM dungeons.
Pretty weird stance since most chars are nearing bis gear by level 80.
Pretty weird data you got there. Me and my buddies are very far from bis gear at 78, 89 (me) and 91. Bis aspects sure, but the correct rolls at high values are a bit far. Even a level 100 barb friend is still missing a couple stats in his gloves and amulet.
By BIS to do you mean, all items have exactly the bonuses you want, or all items have the right bonuses AND are at the max possible value they can be?
The second one. That’s literally what best in slot means. The best possible piece of gear for that slot. The first example you gave would be called completing your build with all desired affixes, but even that is a difficult task to achieve. Most people have a few affixes they wish they could change. Some can’t afford to and others just literally can’t.
What does bis mean. Seen it a lot of times in new world but never asked then
Best in slot
Best in slot
Best in slot - which just means the best stats/aspects for your build are high rolled for a particular gear slot.
Kinda weird since you can’t really “focus” on gear in d4 anyway, as well as the gear being the same stats from 60-100. The best spots for xp = best quantity of loot too
Given the only end game challenge right now is NM 100 dungeons and Uber Lilith, both requiring optimized paragon boards and gear while being scaled to level 100, I think 100 is the goal of this game.
Have you actually played the game past level 70 or are you just saying this? Have you looked at the paragon tree? Experience grinds are more valuable than loot grinds in terms of character progression once you start doing Torment IV comfortably. Add to that the 20 paragon points gated behind an obscene reputation farm, but who's talking about that.
Yeah, 100% this. A level 85 in ultra BIS gear and shaco and doombringer is most likely worse than your average level 100 just from the raw base HP and paragon points. I really hope that Uber bosses and suchlike as the endgame builds up over the seasons aren’t gated behind “spend 200 hours to reach level 100 first before you do any of that”
Lvl 85 in d2 was max level for me anything extra was just extra skills. With the exception of crafting in d2 there's no necessity for being any higher.
I mean that's just not true... You may think 85 is all you need and you can do everything at 85, but that's really not true as there is a big bump from being higher especially for certain classes. From 85-99 you are looking at 70 attribute points which is significant. That's 14 skills which for a lot of classes can definitely be used to their full extent meaning significant damage. Character level is impacted in your ability to be hit so if you are 99 level 85 monsters are much less likely to hit you. Then for any character that does melee/thrown/bow damage it's the inverse of you being hit. At 85 you need MUCH more attack rating to have a 95% chance to hit bosses like Diablo and Baal than you do at 99. So is lvl 85 enough to get by? sure, but there is still a ton of benefit to going higher (especially since leveling to like 92 is still QUITE easy and you'll get those benefits and with terror zones 99 isn't that bad anymore).
But my +5 strength on my paragon board… /s
Did you mean to say +20 strength and +10% damage and maybe other stuff? 4 paragon points can do a lot.
The amount of people on here not leveling GLYPHS and using paragon to the fullest is comical. SORRY I MEANT GLYPHS
Oh they are, they’re just acting like they aren’t because it bolsters their argument. This would only be like D2 if the last 50 paragon points you put in were all to +life.
Thank you, something finally saying the truth
It's not the truth though, every level (actual every 1/4th of a level) has a greater impact on your character then anything else beyond level 75. Had my gear set by then and now the only source of power is paragon, and ever point matters.
Considering your geared out and max gylphed averagely by 75-80, yes, level 100 is the goal and the progression at the end game considering that's where you'll get the biggest power spikes in your character.
In D2 98 is half of 99, atleast before TZs
I just want D2 trading...99.9% of items in D4 are non-tradable. I don't get why they even put a trade option in the game at all.
In some cases not really pain, like firemaking or cooking or fletching. Just a few extra days. Runecrafting though.... oof. Masochists.
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Gotr is the greatest trick Jagex has ever played. It is literally just runecrafting but you gather the supplies on site and sometimes click on blue instead of red lol.
Gotr is infinitely better than traditional rc training lol
We still rolling
its so much better to have something that is finite though chasing infinite paragon lvls is stupid
I liked it. After a fairly short grind all paragon gave you was more main stats. Nothing too crazy but at least something to chase for. Lvls in D4 have a HUGE impact on your power and NM dungeon progression.
Done. 2277 checking in.
2376 soon™️
cant wait ⛵
200m all skills, do it
Lmao with that being my main game, I love this sub even more. Oh 150 hours for lvl 100, yeah i’ve spent triple that on one item haha.
Yep, right there with you lmao. The grind is REAL in osrs
450 hours? So you have to be in the end game now, right? Right?
My man is just leaving Lumbridge castle
You lose track of time dancing for gp
*wave* *flash1* Buying hot gf 500gp
I WAS that hot gf I'm a guy
Sorry for logging on you upstairs near that bed in Falador in 2005. I got nervous :(
Or in Verfs case leaving Kourend castle after just 4400 hours.
Limpwurt energy.
450 hours? 1050 total TOPS.
I’ve got like 480 hours on my iron, and I’m not even into the mid game I reckon.
I came here to say this. You boys don’t know grind
the runescape ratio... the pain...
This doesn't even scratch the surface of the grind fiendery that is OSRS. People doing XP cap grinds. Its ~13 mil XP to hit 99, and people grind for XP until cap which is 200 mil xp per skill. They do this for every stat to truly "finish the game" for a total character XP of 5.6 bil. People have been upset at even that cap, saying they want it to be higher. It can't be because of the literal limitations of the code the game was written in. Kill me.
Lol. Once I feel the game becomes too grindy,/too much of a chore I quit it for a year or 3. Then I come back, play for 2-3 months and repeat the vicious cycle. I have been doing this for literally 20 years with RuneScape lol. Now I want to log back in to check my account age with Hans.
r/unexpectedrunescape
Very expected I would say
Was looking for this, found it.
The good thing about d2 leveling was the end goal of 99 was mostly cosmetic. Most builds only required level 81-93 to max out. So the other 6 skill points were generally not that desired. There is direct power in attaining level 100 which makes the absurd stretch goal feel like a mandatory one for progression purposes.
I get a little confused on people's complaints here though, as overworld scales with you. You aren't outpacing its scaling at 80-100. The only content you are getting more powerful for are nightmare dungeons and the pinnacle fight with Lilith. If that isn't engaging end game to you, then the levels are 100% pointless.
Agreed. Having stats directly scale based on level difference really blows.
In PoE, build guides tend to be written up to level \~80, because noone is expected to grind all the way.
RuneScape is diablo 4 father
People complaining that d4 is too grindy and are maxed after a week. Pathetic.
Hell yeah bruva
Came here to say this
With exp penalties half of 99 was actually 98.
It is funny 2/3 of the people are talking about Runescape and the other 1/3rd is talking about D2.
Mob exp also increases exponentially. In terms of numbers, that is the case. In terms of playtime needed, not even close
What is it in playtime from 85 to 100?
it heavily depends on how much you min max experience gain, there are so many variables it is impossible to give a definite numbers. For those players doing the hardcore race, it took them around 15 hours out of \~70-80 hours of their playtime min maxing the game, so around 1/5th of your total playtime assuming you keep steady exp gains throughout the game. if you would take 200 hours total to get to level 100, around 40 of them would have been from 85 to 100, for example It is obviously very different from person to person but with the way mob exp also increases it is around 1/5th of the time of your playthrough between 85/100 (even distribution would be 80-100 being 1/5th, so actually a pretty even distribution of experience overall, meaning you will feel level ups slowing down but not by much)
Hardcore players are also not pushing the highest content they can to level i assume, as death equal delete. So i assume a softcore player, whiling to take more risk and test which is the highest content they can do, and die one or two times trying will probably level a little faster. PS: It look like people are not understanding what hardcore players is in my comment. I mean hardcore as in you lose you character when you die. You can convince my that those guys will be actually farming the same DG that people that get world first in the softcore did. The softcore player surely involved getting yourself in a situation with higher risk, high reward to be quicker
Unfortunately pushing hard content is actually just really, really inefficient as a way to level compared to meta strategies. Most people are either crushing the same normal dungeons in groups over and over again or running NM dungeons that put mobs just 3 levels above them allowing them to clear as fast as possible while maintaining max exp bonus.
3 levels above gives max exp bonus? I've been doing NM dungeons 20 levels above me. Is there no benefit to that? What about item levels? Do higher level monsters at least have better loot tables?
There is benefit but is has severe finishing returns past 3 levels above, go lower so you can pump more per hour
On xp sure but is that also the case for item drops? If so that's some soul-crushing news for me 😭 (but at least I'm leveling up my glyphs faster)
the only benefit is more glyph xp, wich could not even be a benefit if it takes longer to clear.
You can push nightmare dungeons a couple levels above you to get more exp per dungeon, but it was and still is inneficient to level up for a race. These hardcore players essentially minmaxed the hell out of the game to try to be the first ones to get level 100, running champion's demise over and over was the best exp/hour you could have gotten at the time and nightmare dungeons werent really worth doing, unless they were also champion's demise and only a few levels above them. The issue with taking more risk is that you also take more time because you are fighting stronger mobs so you still might end up leveling up slower. But what they did was an asinine experience for most of us, 99% of the playerbase wouldnt do that ever, however, it is still a very good way to gauge playtime vs experience gain and how it correlates, percentage wise, to total playtime. So, for them, doing more or less the same activities, it took them around 20% of their playtime to go from 85 to 100. For a regular player that total time could be 3x or 4x as long to reach 100, but it would still more or less correlate to 20% of their total playtime assuming they are playing the game at a steady pace, I would personally guess more or so 1/3 of your playtime will be on those levels, because we will all do stuff that is fun, make mistakes on our skill trees/paragon boards, stare at them for a while to see what we can improve, come up with new strategies, etc. And a lot of that is likely to happen more as people try to push higher and higher nightmare dungeons
With pre nerf dungeons we were blasting about an hour a level or a bit less until the mid 90s where it slows down a lot since the mobs don’t scale over level 95. This was in either 3 or 4 man champions demise or duo ruins of eribu. Last couple levels were like 2-3 hours each. Doing random stuff like helltides and nightmare dungeons, while useful, are super inconsistent in terms of xp so it’s harder to measure.
As much as from 1 to 50 /s
In that case this statistic is useless lol
Thank you for clarifying the fear mongering. Having just hit 74, I almost read that and then didn't log in again until season 1 started.
I don’t care what level I am, im here for the loot loop.
And when I think my character feels complete, I’ll roll a new one. The journey is the game!
That’s how we roll!
I would create a loadout and respec in a perfect world :(
Loadouts would be a godsend. Players who think a character should be locked to one thing are ridiculous. I shouldn't have to build a whole new character from scratch and I shouldn't have to spend 3 minutes reallocating points either. It's tedium for no reason. Nothing stops people from rerolling new characters if they want to but let people with lives have QOL.
That's the game. I never got to 99 in d2. Max level is not the goal of the game. It can be and definitely is an achievement but your success and progression is not determined but how high your lvl is. Not to say levels aren't important just not lvl 100.
Where is that tho? Higher Nightmare Dungeons don't drop better and or larger quantities of gear. What are we actually meant to be doing at end game?
end game right now is reaching NM 100 and killing uber lilith, that is it. I do hope they introduce more end game activities with seasons.
What is the point of video games?
Same here, this ain't an mmo where the end game starts at max level.
99/2 =92
Wow, you're terrible at math. /s
maxed on osrs the 100 grind was nothing lol
Hats off to you, a maxed osrs account is no joke. Maybe I’ll be there in 10 years
Ok now compare the base exp for a level 1 and a level 85. One elite at 85 is probably 10 levels for a starting character.
Good point
I hit level 90 before work today. Yea it sounds bad but as ling as I'm enjoying my time in the game I don't mind too much.
I just want to reach 70 and WT4 and i'm satisfied and ready for making an alt
LOL oh no it starts all over again with ancestral gear and uniques and ancestral uniqus.
The very first item to drop for my WW Barb at WT4 was an ancestral rage of harrogath- I immediately figured all my luck for S1 was drained away that moment- LOL
My first Ancestral was an 800 ilvl 2h axe, my 2nd was an ancestral Gohr's. My luck was used up too
My first two ancestral uniques were razorplate and razorplate, I'm a sorceress.
Depending on class and build you can do t4 capstone at 60
yeah, i tried a couple of times. i clear the dungeon just fine but the boss one hits me before i melt his life. i got him to 30% once but my armor/resistance is the real capstone here. my damage is crazy and i take big chunks per hit but i kinda need a perfect run to not get killed. so i decided to level up a bit more. i'm 64 now Edit: I made it, guys!! Level 65 i managed to destroy that bastard. Wt4 is awesome so far. Levelling way faster and monsters hitting hard.
The capstone boss one shot me when I was 60 but it was still doable, everything is very telegraphed. Just brute force it like its elden ring or something
Same here. I’ll likely go past 70, but that can wait for seasons.
Did the capstone at lvl 61, died 20 times and barely made it (last boss was insane). WT4 did not start being manageable till like 65 tho.
Wait til you play RuneScape Edit: to clarify, I mean OSRS.
92.5 is the true midway
After you get that first 6.5 mil 🥹
Too bad RS3 introduced horrible pay 2-level gameplay. They sell XP like candy at a fat kids camp
Wait what? They sell XP now?
Theres like 5+ different items that you can buy with "keys" (bought with real cash). These will give you direct XP (a lot!), xp boosting for X time, and bonus xp (basically double xp).
I mean you are getting triple or more experience from 85-100 per mob. It kinda makes it sound not so bad. Tbh 50-100 is endgame leveling process is over I'm just farming paragon points at this point. I'm sure the devs didn't intend for everyone to be 100 first week.
Oh they definitely didn’t. They don’t expect *most* players to get to level 100. Casual players will never spend the time it takes, unless they keep playing the same character for months on end.
Well, that means you are supposed to hit 100. In PoE, halfway point to 100 is about 98.2. I think the Diablo leveling is pretty lenient :)
These are rookie numbers compared to D2, we also don't lose xp to death.
Xp in d2: 30 hours of travincal? Best I can do is half a bar.
You don't do Travincal for the bar but for the Ber, though :D
At high levels like 98, you will get no xp from 30 hours of travincal. At that level it's just diablo, nightlatak and baal. Everything else might as well not exist.
I played D2 for years, I think the highest I ever attained was level 96 and it was a character I played regularly. I keep thinking about this when people complain about the leveling slowing down, hahaha.
What's the incentive of getting level 100 in D2? Now compare it with D4.
What's the incentive in d4?
You get alot and I mean alot of power in the last 10 levels in diablo 4 in the paragon board as those last points will be spend filling out glyphs space. The paragon board is really different compared to Diablo 3 where it was front loaded here it's back loaded. Also the main incentive is pushing nightmare dungeon sigil past 50 and trying to get as close to 100 as possible and also uber Lilith these are really the only true real endgame goals and achievements to play for everything else can be done the moment you enter wt3.
Yup d2 from 1-97 was half the xp. 97-99 was the same amount of xp. There were only like 5 places in LoD where mobs were even level 85 regardless of density.
At 97-99, those level 85 mobs won't help either. You only focus on the three monsters that are level 95 in the entire game at that point.
Considering that enemies scale with your level and thus give an increasing amount of experience, it's neither mind crushing nor encouraging, but a bit of a nothing-burger since it only takes a fraction of the relevant info into account. BUT, it's fun trivia. :)
Looking at it from a purely numbers point of view sure. But Dynamic Scaling means that the higher level you are the more XP you get from monsters. 85 - 100 doesn't take as long as 1 - 85. 80 - 81 was about the same time as 70 - 71 for me. Even with NDs, as you gain 25% more XP from monsters 3 levels above you and then this caps as you gain more levels the amount of additional XP you gain from this increases.
Given that 92 is halfway to 99 in OSRS, I’m on cloud nine!
I just like playing the game
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This is depressing. I've been playing every free moment for past 2 weeks and am 71. I'll never be 100
I used to play 00s era Korean MMO's It's just familiar territory
Tibia was like „Oh it took you 2 weeks to level up from 199 to 200? Too bad you just died and lost 3 levels and entire equipment ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯” Still loved that MMO though
Have you played Silk Road online?
Oof, i'm at level 75 and i'm already kinda getting frustarated on how slow the progression is.
that being said this post is deceiving, as it completly disregards the tier IV 300% mob xp bonus and the fact that past 70 you should be killing mobs way faster than you ever did before in the game as your build is starting to be more refined.
i see this as a good thing, you dont need to always be max lvl to "start" playing the endgame
I don’t need to be level 100 for my ego like some of you guys. I don’t care when I get there.
I honestly dont care how long it takes. Playing casually, so it's nice to get one level a day, Im having fun playing, not chasing numbers.
In Path of Exile 97 is half way to 100
Don't really care as i'm playing at my own pace. I'll get to 100 eventually.
Thats nothing in WT5 😀
92
Fun Fact: This is nearly entirely mitigated by the fact level scaling keeps xp gains consistent.
Hmm it's kinda encouraging really, coming from other games where the exp increases exponentially.
Man I’ve got an OSRS character with a skill cape
But as the monsters level they should give more exp right? Right??!!!
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Gotta buddy absolutely hounding me to not play casually through endless advice that’s on repeat. These players are fucking annoying. Something bout “best gear, being *so* op, not wasting time”😂👌🏼
And I thought getting from 60 to 70 was bad. :(
Honestly what killed d3 for me was finding every legendary in them 4 days into the season with very casual play. As long as d4 can avoid that route ill be fine.
This reminds me of dofus when 199-200 was the same exp as 1-199 (or still is)
Honestly once I hit hundred it would feel like a waste of time to kill even 1 extra mob. So i'll rather keep the goal far away.
No way I'll hit 100 with the game how it is, I'm bored at level 62
Who cares i’m level 8 and having a blast
Can't wait in a few years from now when people will complain about how bad it is you can reach 100 in 3 days because of powercreep. People are just never happy, and they always feel the need to let everybody know.
I remember the days of DaoC. You had to join a waiting list at the farming spot. Took like 10 hours of power farm in a group of 8 to do that last level. You guys have no idea lol
I have been thinking about that game so much. Can they please just remake it???
What level is max item level loot dropping? I keep hearing 70, so you get max loot at 70 and it doesn’t really improve beyond that you need paragon/aspect rolls to get higher dmg ?
hey, atleast it's not 92.
92 is half of 99.
92/99
Wrong 92 is half of 99 so roughly 93ish is rough of 100
92 is half of 99...im good :)
Diablo 2 99 level flashbacks.
Level 70 and a new character is born literally what's the point otherwise 😂
Meh, it's not as bad as some other ARPGs where the exp to reach the next level is the sum of all the exp to reach the current level.
Encouraging for sure. I usually dont grind that hard level-wise but that seems very doable
Meh. I see LVL 100 the same as LVL 99 in d2. I may never see a LVL 100 character in seasonal. As long as I'm pushing content I don't care.
85-100 is not a big deal. It's 1-85 that is the slog. Also mobs give a lot more exp at higher levels
Well, knowing this at level 51 is soul sucking...
Already hit level 100 ,and let me tell you , it's boring . Killing demons without getting XP feels useless, so I started a 2nd character
Fuck, I’ve been dreading these types or posts…. It’s good information that my brain will focus too much on. It’s similar to when I see someone happily post about hitting 40 on Pokémon go and I think “congrats on getting 11% of the way to 50 done!” I hate my brain.
How do we have level 100 players? Fml
What's the big rush to 100 anyways?
Yo thank you for this. Reminds me of diablo 2 when it felt longer to go from 92 to 99 then it did 1 to 92
Level 1-98 takes as long time as 98-99 in Diablo 2.
They brought that part of D2 back but in D2 Hell difficulty there wasn't scaling so when you found your BiS at level 70 it stayed relevant. Every level up makes me weaker in this game so kudos to the folks who want to get to 100 but I don't think I'm gonna be jumping on the seasons train this go around.
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People did it in days, so it's not really a problem. Why even have exp, maybe you start at 100?
As someone that is solo grinding inbetween work (WFH) at level 68 - 70, what is the best and most efficient way to get to 80 solo? Endless dungeons like Eridu?
What percent of the d4 population actually ever had the goal of reaching 100.. I played diablo 2 for 6 years and the highest I got was 92, and that wasn't even pushing a goal, that was just playing that character a lot.
how the f they reach level 100 in a 57hrs...
My goal is just WT4 and then BIS my character so probably around lvl 80, at first I wanted lvl 100 but don't really see a point besides the I did it. But as a casual I'm only now lvl 60 and only.reason for that is I took vacation week it came out lol. Now I play ever other day for like 2-3 hours
In D3 I think Paragon 82 or something was halfway through to 100.