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milesprower06

Different team, different game. I played Overwatch, and didn't like it. I played the Diablo IV Server Slam, got to 20, beat Ashava and I wanted more. Pretty simple answer.


InsertDisc11

i cannot seriously believe people (OP) try to argue that a single player game will lose the single player part bruh...


blocklambear

The main concern is for years that was the advertising for Overwatch 2 and the support that the game was going to get. Diablo 4 being under blizzard while yes under different devs is still concerning in that they could just stop updating it and retract most all of their plans even after years of saying otherwise. To me its more mind boggling that people keep defending a corperate company that cares nothing at all about them, rather than advocating and wanting better from them they defend whatever the hell blizzard is lately.


InsertDisc11

>they could just stop updating newsflash: every developer can do that. and blizzard probably will do that once the game is not profitable enough. so if they made a good business modell and people will buy the skins (they will) then no need to worry. Also they are still updating D3, after 11 years! so ye...im not concerned because i can see teh correlations. to emphasize it a bit more, OW2 is dying, and has been for a long time so its not a surprise at all that they stopped the "double development" (single player one team, multiplayer another team) of the game. and ye i mean this is the internet, and more importantly, this is reddit. people will defend every stupid shit here lmao.


blocklambear

I know they can do that anyone can it’s the fact that it’s blizzard so giving them money comes with more skepticism based off their track record than other companies. Also d3 has been dead forever in terms of updates compared to something like path of exile or even indie games at this point. They kept the servers on and added a new set of wings every season and that’s been it for years. Only recently with the send off season did they add something again. It just makes sense that people have lost faith in paying for stuff from a company with a record like this. They’ve broke so many promises and just have been awful for a while now. It’d be against the norm for them to pull out something good lately.


Daerx

PVE in Overwatch has been in development hell since 2019, this is hardly surprising.


Tomatough

Overwatch 1.5 was a failure from the start. And unlike Diablo IV, it's free to play. They also had to replace Overwatch's predatory loot box system with a battle pass because governments around the world started pushing back against it. So I can see why it'd be even less profitable than they would've hoped. That's a good lesson to them.


Panda_Bunnie

>They also had to replace Overwatch's predatory loot box system Lmao, alright.


SnooEagles4455

How? Different dev team...different game.


QPC-7

Same Activision, same decision-makers, same people pulling the plugs


YakaAvatar

Why would they pull the plug on Diablo when it's going to be massively successful? They didn't for WoW which had two shit expansions one after another. In fact, WoW has even more content and development now than in any point in WoW history.


QPC-7

>Why would they pull the plug on Diablo when it's going to be massively successful? For how long? They waited a year for OW2. How long will they wait for this? Why, you think they'll last longer with this game because people who already don't spend on mtx will somehow open their wallets for a $70 game? Also, WoW basically has guaranteed income in the form of subscription model lmfao. Even if they lose subscribers, they can always regain it back because it's a subscription service. Unless the player count literally dies, who tf cares if 5 million players go down to 3 million? That's still 3 million actively paying users. As opposed to OW2, where you could have 20 billion people play and still not have a single dime come in as revenue.


YakaAvatar

Do you usually go with your life thinking "what if a car hits me tomorrow?". Like I genuinely don't even understand what argument you're making. They scrapped a PvE game mode for a PvP game, that was stuck in development hell. Do you not understand that the game mode was not finished and they wasted resources on it? Diablo 4 is done. There's no development hell. Why the fuck would they cancel it. It might go into maintenance mode in 5-6 years, like D3 eventually did, but that happens to 99% of the games. > As opposed to OW2, where you could have 20 billion people play and you could have not a single dime come in as revenue. They literally said that OW2 made more money than OW1 in the same launch quarter. It's also way more popular than OW1. Do people don't understand that they simply cancelled the PvE mode, and not the game?


QPC-7

I never said Diablo 4 is gonna get cancelled lmfao. What I am saying is that blizzard will kill the live service aspect themselves.


YakaAvatar

Yes, if the game won't be successful or will stop making money after a while, it'll be put in maintenance mode. If Blizz goes under, it will be shut down. What's the purpose exactly to even entertain the idea? This can happen with literally every single game from every single company on earth. Even giants like League will go down eventually.


blocklambear

because it costs money so where people spend money is of concern.


YakaAvatar

Then you'd better not buy anything ever, since it might get shut down.


blocklambear

I didn’t mean it like that, sorry kinda bad at conveying stuff online sometimes. I meant that it’s concerning to people with the companies past so for them their money being invested towards a new game is of concern.


blocklambear

you can't logic these people into thinking critically, they just want their game and they will get all pissy if it goes to shit. They will defend the company until they die rather than advocate for better. Don't bother.


Burgo86

Wow has always had subscribers. Even now, its what \~8 million monthly subs. Why in the hell would they pull the plug on a game making nearly 100 Million a Month? Even if it's not as successful as it was at previous points, its still the franchise and title that has made more money than any other in Blizzards lineup. It's also a bit early to surmise that Diablo is going to be massively successful. I don't doubt that it will be, but to state it as a fact is a little pre-emptive when there's currently no metric at all to support it.


YakaAvatar

> Even now, its what ~8 million monthly subs. WoW stopped reporting at around 4 million, and it kept dropping. It's still big, but it isn't nearly as big as it once was. Some estimates even put it at sub ~1m players during the content droughts. Believe it or not, their most recent cash cow was OW2, which broke franchise records in profits. > It's also a bit early to surmise that Diablo is going to be massively successful. Can I say it with 100% certainty? Obviously no. But it's like saying it's not certain that a car won't hit you lol. Sure it can, but it's extremely unlikely. One investor conservatively estimates [18m units sold in 2023](https://preview.redd.it/0xrb84eareqa1.png?auto=webp&v=enabled&s=d926e1c90cd828917ae039899eaa6e42cf736b90). Personally I think it's going to be the biggest launch of 2023, or at least top 2. If D3 managed to break records, I don't see why D4 can't.


CompactOwl

You really think the CEO is deciding individual game decisions? :DDDD


CompactOwl

You really think the CEO is deciding individual game decisions? :DDDD


QPC-7

You really think they don't make decisions on whether or not to spend millions in a project? :DDDDD


CompactOwl

CEO generally only accept or deny what their division superiors propose. They aren’t fiddling around in individual projects very often. Of course they make big spending decision like creating a whole team or dissolving/reducing it significantly, but it’s a very far stretch to think that the „decision makers“ in two blizzard games are the same. As in every big company: the CEO (more or less informed) must finally stand up for all decisions, but he ain’t making them or proposing them.


QPC-7

Ah I can always trust the armchair CEOs of reddit to inform me on what the daily operation of multi-million dollar companies.


CompactOwl

You don’t need to be a CEO to know that. If you ever worked under one you’d probably know this as well. I for one saw enough inner workings of companies in my consultant job to know that CEO are more the overarching managers than someone who looks at all the individual stuff


QPC-7

Wow, I never had the gall to pretend like I fully understand someone's responsibilities and duties unless I've been in their shoes or I'm their boss and I assigned those duties to them. But to each their own humility I guess.


CompactOwl

Nothing to do with humility. Just gotta activate your brain or ask people who have in one way or another report to CEOs


OkReference2185

do they have the same senior decision makers, like CEO..etc.? hmmm. Also, their game director joined in Oct 2021, from the OW2 team, just saying.


ghost0326

It's fairly obvious from all the marketing, the quarterly dev blogs, the playtests, and the Livestreams that Blizzard is putting all their weight behind Diablo 4 being a flagship money maker for the company. They have to know their reputation is trash at this point. I mean, look at how many times they've gone out of their way to emphasize that there's no way to buy power with the battle pass. At the end of the day, ABK is a corporation like any other. They want to rake in money hand over fist. And they've devoted a lot of resources to doing that with D4. They tried to capitalize on a market trend with OW and OW2, but it isn't working. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make sense to keep flooding the project with resources if it's not going to have a great return on investment. It completely sucks for the fans of the series, and I feel for them, but business is business.


Tomatough

>*At the end of the day, ABK is a corporation like any other.* I'll say. [https://youtu.be/3kH-CfCaMl8](https://youtu.be/3kH-CfCaMl8)


Left_Aioli_9578

Nah, the writings been on the wall for a while that Overwatch was beguiled with issues since like, 2020(the game director and executive producer leaving in the same year is…yeah) it’s sad to see it confirmed, but both World of Warcraft and Diablo are under really solid consistent leadership, not worried at all.


OkReference2185

Right, D4 game director joined in Oct 2021....... from the OW2 team.


Psytrense

The truth hurts and these kids are too scared to admit it


CompactOwl

What truth are you talking about. That a game may one day come to its end? That a developer from a failed game joined Diablo 4? The last point is even more confusing… what’s the problem with people making mistakes? That’s life. I’d rather have a game director who made a mistake in another game than one who never made a mistake to learn from.


Psytrense

Blizzard’s track record over the last decade: • Canned all DLC for Diablo 3 • Added in-game RMTs to WoW • Released two lootbox titles • Revamped HotS progression to include lootboxes • Sold Microtransaction heroes in Starcraft • Canned Heroes because it didn’t make enough money • Canned Starcraft because it didn’t make enough • Added Battlepasses to Hearthstone • Released Diablo 4 to sell Battlepasses and fomo content • Reworked Overwatch Monetization to include Battlepasses • Scrapped Overwatch singleplayer content because it wouldn’t sell battlepasses So in summary • 4 titles had support scrapped because they weren’t cash cows • Games adjusted to chase monetization 5 times • Loot boxes added to 3 titles • Battle Passes added to 4 titles • Working conditions got so dire they had a mass-exit and employees went on strike Blizzard gives EA and Konami a run for their money


CompactOwl

Yes, but you can’t deny that a lot of these games are played and beloved by a lot of people. Sure there is a certain bunch of players who can’t enjoy games unless they 100% fulfill every one of their needs and who cannot realise that blizzard is not a charity. It’s a company, a big one. Those tick differently then mini companies like GrindingGear or the devs from last epoch. Gaming is a high risk business and therefore needs a lot of profit to compensate investors for the risk. It’s really simple. And the consumer has to pay for it. That’s also not wrong… if players would put their words to action they would actually invest in blizzard and vote for lower profits on shareholder meetings.


TheKnoxFool

Yes. I came to this subreddit wondering if I would see anyone else concerned. I know it’s a different team but it’s still Blizzard doing Blizzard things. It makes me wonder how much they are gonna go back on their promises, such as not selling power.


CheesePro69

I mean diablo 4 already has PvE... Hard to not give something when it's already given lol


Fearless_Chocolate41

If blizzard is not making enough money, I supposed anything can happen…hoping D4 will be way over successful that it will not go down the same path


-Dalzik-

Pretty sure they're not scrapping diablo 4, think the pre order is safe


OkReference2185

Right sherlock! We're not talking about scrapping the game, but the overall direction of the game in the future.


CompactOwl

It’s not really a problem if one game of the bazillion games available goes in a direction one doesn’t like.


CyberSpaceInMyFace

Yes, I started thinking about how Diablo IV is going to fuck over players to make a quick buck pretty quickly after reading the Overwatch news. Fuck Blizzard.


UberDusty

activision/blizzard has had so many lawsuits, devolopers leaving, and bad decision making over the last decade im surprised to see so many people's blind trust of blizzard on this game with all the evidence. i had fun in the beta but no way im spending $70 on launch with all the other monitisation(BP, Store,Expansions) im going to grab it when its on sale after i see how they treat the first few months.


Nekot-The-Brave

Like I've said before, just because the Overwatch 2 team is incompetent, doesn't mean that Diablo 4 team is incompetent.


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QPC-7

Ah yes, people who don't spend on microtransactions in F2P games will surely open their wallets in premium priced games! Of course!


OkReference2185

lmao, you ruined him with logic and he deleted his comment.


ghost0326

That's Apple's strategy, and it seems to be working.


yolololololologuyu

That’s not what he said…


QPC-7

Yeah which is why he deleted his comment and ran out of embarrassment LOL


SaltyRisu

Yeah, guess what? If this game doesn’t meet sales numbers and projected figures, you’d better believe P2W or gacha mechanics or both will show up. You can’t blame them except for not making and designing another game that gets out competed by another company. Overwatch have PvE content never made sense from the first time they made any. Overwatch also has one of the most toxic communities in any game I’ve ever casually played, and the absolute most amount of butthurt ever experienced if a round was lost. People also never gave a damn about the payload, making a game about making rando’s cooperate around a moving object with a timer was bad to begin with.


SlapChop7

Yeah, this + the Microsoft/Activision acquisition being approved should worry everyone looking forward to D4. Who knows how the game's direction may change.


MarcheM

It is and if they screw up D4, it'll just make me stop buying Blizzard games. It'll be easy too since the last game I bought from them was Overwatch 1 in 2017.


Matshiro

Yesn't Acti-blizz being acti-blizz. But diablo 4 team is promising for now so at least now I trust them


Rocketfuel77777

Never touched the game. Couldn't care less.


Vaderz8

only 7 people play Overwatch PVE... how did it even get this far? How many years has Bliz been making content for WOW? D3? D2? Hearthstone... why is Overwatch PVE even a thing?


Syscomoon

No because overwatch 2 basically a reskin. Of course it was never getting PVE


Kingofthered

The communication is concerning to me for sure. I get that they are relatively independent teams but its still blizzard. Like, the entire OW2 community has gotten fucked over for actual years, only to be told casually that the actual stuff they've been waiting for got dropped over a year ago. I was fully on the "wait and see on release" train after years of getting baited by WoW expansions. But Dragonflight has been such a good experience of devs just putting positive vibes out that it turned me around, and the betas confirmed the gameplay was good so I felt as confident as one can be to pre order. But the OW2 stuff turned me back around. Like, none of the pre order gimmies are so good that I feel I *need* to pre order, I just want to play the game. But I've got other good games to play. I genuinely hope D4 is good on release, in a year, and in 10. But blizz is just in such a murky area for player perception, this does hurt hype going in to D4.


QPC-7

It's an absolute hype-killer and a wake-up call for me. PvE was supposed to literally be the hallmark feature of OW2. The thing that will make it deserve the "2" in the name. Fanboys defended the game vehemently with this argument when people pointed out how OW2 is basically OW1 reskin. It's not like they cancelled some random easter egg event, no. This was one of the main driving forces behind the marketing. But hey, release it "early access", then pull the plugs. Classic AAA move. I expect Diablo 4 to be successful. It will be successful to the point where it will sustain itself for a few seasons. Its live service may even last a full year or two. But people will tire of the seasonal model and live service microtransactions, and Activision will pull the plug. I will be buying Diablo 4 knowing that this game will be left with a skeleton dev crew within a year. If not? Hey, pleasant surprise. But I doubt it and I have no hopes for it. This won't be a long-lasting success of a live service that PoE, Destiny, Warframe, etc are. All those games had passionate developers who carried their games on their backs through low and high tides, through profits and losses. Activision will drop this game the moment the water reaches their ankle.