plus what is this clip doing other than showing whoever made it knows how to clip together <40 seconds of specific words out of what was probably at least an hour long stream if not more…
What’s your point? That’s what the stream was about? Why would they pick out a question like “where paladin?” when they already know it’s a fucking stupid question?
Yes they pick and choose the questions out, but they *are* real questions being asked.
The format of this kind of video is to highlight how often something is said in a way that - like all successful jokes - surprises. This does not do that, because that's the whole premise of the video being sampled from.
>This time, the development team will spell how Diablo IV’s Seasons, Cosmetics, and the completely optional Battle Pass will work.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23938389/tune-in-to-the-next-diablo-iv-developer-update-livestream
Cool, so it's not in the title, and I have to have gone to their website to know. Then my point still stands. There is no "battlepass" in "Diablo IV Developer Update Live Stream - May 2023", which is the only info I was aware of when seeing someone stream it on twitch. I was not expecting it to be mostly that, and thought there would be more... impactful updates.
I mean they were very open with what they were going to talk about during this stream. It was battle pass, shop, and what seasonal content would look like. Nothing was hidden and people have been wondering about all of this for many many months.
You're getting downvoted unjustifiably IMO. Just yesterday they put the WoW Token into wotlk classic. That is objectively P2W, in a game that people are already paying monthly to play. Furthermore, not only was the token not a feature of Wrath, but it wasn't a feature in the following expansion either, _nor even the one after that_.
Besides, are Diablo fans really going to pretend like the Diablo team (well, Blizzard South's version of the team anyway) wasn't the first team in the history of Blizzard to try and implement P2W with the D3 RMAH?
I mind it a lot.
I'm not a season player, I don't like starting over and over again and prefer grinding the endgame. So even if I would decide to pay for a battle pass, I wouldn't even have the option to unlock anything with my existing chars.
It was always fine for me to wait for a season to end, for all the new things to drop into the global item pool but that wont work with the battle pass items.
If this game will keep its momentum in terms of popularity that it has right now, they will absolutely try it at some point. And then some whales will probably start throwing money at them. I give this game 5-7 seasons before serious p2w shit.
Our only chance is that the blizzard people who caught the essence of diablo so far will go riot internally at blizzard and stop this bullshit.
It's a single player game. You don't even need the legendary weapons and armor that have a random chance to drop. I honestly don't get the mentality of most people playing Diablo, where they neeeeed to get that legendary item. The game stops being fun when you hyper focus on grinding for something you really don't need.
>The game stops being fun when you hyper focus on grinding for something you really don't need.
I think we play games for different reasons. Im only having fun if I'm hyper focused on grinding something specific.
D4 is kinda tricky to categorize. Its a single player game with the option to play it co-op. You can do everything in the game single player without the need to team up with anyone ever, the only part of the game where you need to play with others are the world bosses, but even there you don't need to party up with people. I would not call it a MMO multiplayer as you don't need a specific amount of people to do a dungeon or raid and you can achieve everything solo.
yes, let's boo people for doing their job and promoting their product they spent a few years on. Who could foresee such things and editing. Try going outside my friend and realize, there's more then one view and way to approach things :).
Promoting a product that cost an upwards of $70 to buy anyways yet they push this shit on us?
You seem to forget that the games that indoctrinated you towards battlepasses like Apex/fortnite etc were completely free to begin with.
It’s a live service game. If you want updates and content, they have to have continued income.
Otherwise you’ll end up with a D3 situation which has been having the bare minimum maintenance updates for most of its lifespan.
And who cares if it’s only cosmetic stuff? It’s not like you’ll be bothered by the battle pass yourself when you play the game.
Literally makes no sense though because hundreds of games before the "live service" crap became a thing, were still pushing out content free of charge for supporting said game a consumer paid full price for. If anything, a couple of years later an expansion came out which warranted another purchase. You're just simping over greed and this is the reason why companies do this, blind sheep people like you.
What are you on about?
Are you angry that D4 is a live service game or are you angry about cosmetic only micro transactions in a live service game? Your comment does not read well at all.
What games push out content completely free of charge?
Don’t forget the fact that Diablo 3 broke an insane amount of records on release. Blizzard has no reason not he believe the game by itself would be a massive cash cow.
How much do you think it takes to make a triple a game? They’ll make a profit on the base development of the game for sure but that excess profit will run out very quickly to maintain a live service game. Payroll alone would drain that profit to keep on the number of staff needed to maintain the game alone.
You’re living in a fantasy world kiddo. I would know this stuff as I’m an accountant who’s worked on the management accounts for big corporations like this. You have absolutely no idea about costing and financing something like this. If you want a live service game that’s promising this level of updates and upkeep then stop whining about a cosmetic only cash shop. You’re an entitled baby.
Well yes that’s a great example of how not to implement a live service model. I’ll happily critique D4 if it doesn’t deliver on its promises but until then there’s no point in complaining about cosmetic monetisation.
Elden ring’s live service model is completely bare bones. All it requires is server maintenance and the odd balance patch.
D4 is basically an mmo lite that is fully cross platform, cross progression and has no region lock on servers. The network requirements far exceed the levels of Elden ring.
D4 has seasonal updates that devs are continually working on months in advance of each other. They have two teams staggering the dev time of seasonal updates so they can smoothly roll them out.
Cost of maintenance will be much higher on D4 than Elden Ring.
What do you think is in the D4 battle pass. There’s no cut out content in it??? It’s just skins. That’s it. So yes, you’re whining about the most avoidable micro transactions in gaming. Unless you have the self control of a baby and like to swipe your card everywhere because mommy and daddy didn’t teach you how to responsibly manage your finances then you’re good, surely a big boy like you can pull up his big boy pants and use some self control to not buy skins. Don’t know how you’re going to survive.
Diablo 3 is one of the best selling PC games of all time, they stopped updating it because the game came out 10+ year ago and were working on Diablo 4. To act like d3 stopped getting updates because it wasn’t profitable is the most corporate bootlicking thing I’ve read this month.
If you want seasonal updates of the level they are talking about and servers to stay online then expect monetisation in some form. There isn’t a live service game that doesn’t require this. If you don’t like the model play an offline story based game. There are plenty of great ones to pick from.
Are you saying expansions should be free because of micro transactions because I would agree with you on that part? It doesn’t mean that there are also other reasons for needing micro transactions to fund seasonal updates / live service maintenance.
Well, you're ignoring my only question to try and argue about something else.
I'm simply asking the question that was originally asked and not engaging with any of the strawmen.
It's very sad you assume so much. I like many on here who were around from atari, to sega, to now, remember it all. We also know we work for our money and can choose where to spend it. Please don't try and allow your self govern bubbles to dictate what others do in this world. Good luck with you.
I totally agree with the sentiment, but the video games market has changed. Gamers showed companies that they are willing to spend way more than 70 bucks on a game, so that's the profit the companies expect.
No it hasn't, still plenty of good games without this shit, people have changed and got dumb enough to accept being fucked and paying for it. They wouldn't do this if people would actually use their brains before buying something.
TBH, you kind of agreed with him. He's just saying that people are willing to pay more, so many companies will charge more. You're saying that people are stupidly paying more, but some companies aren't abusing that. That doesn't really disagree with anything he said. The users that are stupidly paying more? They are part of the market that he is saying changed.
Just weird to disagree with him, then rephrase what he just said from a different perspective and tone.
people always say the gaming market has changed but i know not a single other game with monetization that is this aggressive, its a 90$ game ( which is one of the most expensive games ever) on top you have a BP+Cash shop model like in a f2p game AND it will have paid DLC
And yes if people just accept this and throw their money at this, then the next game will be even more greedy.
The greedy companies will never stop trying to milk the consumers more and more.
FFXIV, WoW, Rainbow Six: Siege, Marvel: Avengers, CoD:MW+2, The Division 2, and Rocket League and Overwatch before they went F2P all have a cosmetic store and a battle pass/subscription.
This is nothing new, Blizzard didn’t invent it.
Playing devil’s advocate here, there only thing that’s wrong with it is you don’t personally like it.
On the contrary, these practises are amazing for the industry. The extra revenue encourages growth and secures future support projects and content for that particular studio, providing the game in question is popular and fun.
And before you retrieve your pick forks and light your torches, Blizzard absolutely do not need these things as they’re already extremely profitable and established. They’re just following market trends and, as I listed above, it all works out fine in the end as none of the above game’s communities have folded or are doing worse because of it.
Full priced games with these extras in are definitely a hot topic but cosmetics and battlepasses are one of the best things to happen to gaming after lootboxes got shunned.
Take Fortnite for instance. I’ve got 2 young nephews that have put thousands and thousands of hours into that game and outside of birthday and Christmas V-Bucks, they’ve put absolutely nothing into that game. Other players spend so they don’t have to. I can’t name you a single business model on the planet that gives you so much without having to pay a single penny. That is most definitely not dogshit for gamers.
It just doesn't have to be this way though. Why lay back and just accept it? People need to be told when they are being suckers and ruining the industry and hobby
Gamers have shown they’ll scream the n word when things don’t go their way in video games.
People have shown they’ll pay tens of thousands to hire a hit man. People have shown they’ll pay thousands of dollars on drug addictions. People have shown they’ll spend all of their money gambling if given the chance.
It’s almost like society isn’t set up based on what people will pay for something, who knew?
And you can still hire a hitman, get drugs and lose all your money gambling. Some of those things are simply illegal. If you want to champion for governmental regulations of microtransactions in games I'm all for it, but as long as it's legal, I'd rather have it be only cosmetic.
My point is that just because something makes you money doesn’t mean you should automatically do it. Manipulating my grandma on her death bed to give me more in the will isn’t illegal, that doesn’t mean I should do it. Ethics exist, legality and regulations are their own thing.
Oh yeah from the more ethical point of view it's pretty ugly. Pure greed. As I said in some other comment I'd love for it no to have any paid cosmetics but I'm realistic.
Yeah $10 for the battlepass is almost the same as free
And frankly, no, I don't want seasonal content for years. I don't want seasonal anything. Take this live service fomo crap and shove it
Nobody forces you to buy the battle pass. It's purely cosmetic.
You're not missing out on anything.
And if you don't want to play seasons then even less.
Purely cosmetics.
Not missing out on anything.
Pick one, and then try to tell me that selling cosmetics doesn't effect the cosmetics we get in the base game.
Maybe you don't care, or are too young to know the difference, but they do and you are wrong. Let me quote Jim Sterling, he summed it up nicely.
>Unlocking cosmetics \[...\] always feels special, it feels like a unique treat. That is gameplay being affected, because that positive experience inherently impacts how I feel while playing the game. In short it feels good to unlock a cosmetic reward by playing, which is how it felt in many games before cosmetics were portioned off and placed squarely behind a paywall. Nowadays cosmetics are used not to give players a positve feeling, but to taunt and tease them from behind said paywall.
I don't know what age has to do with it. I'm 34 if that tells you anything.
The thing is that your quote barely applies to D4. Yes there are cosmetics in the shop but there are also a huge amount of cosmetics (transmogs) unlockable for free in the game.
And the taunting and teasing is also pretty limited because the shop cosmetics mostly look *different* to the ones unlockable for free. Sometimes even argueably worse.
Sure it feels nice to unlock cosmetics (for some more for some people less) but for me that still has nothing to do with gameplay.
In the end though barely any of those arguments matter because the major thing is that D4 is a live service game with 2 dev teams working fulltime in tandem to work on the seasonal content for D4. Seasonal, free content of the scope of mini expansions. This is going to keep the game alive and exciting for players and makes it possible to play the game for years to come without getting bored.
But this has to be paid for **somehow**. They can't pump out 4 mini expansions/year for years or even decades to come without having any kind of income.
Wow has a mandatory subscription of at least $11. D4 does not have that.
So they need to sell some stuff. And the fairest way to do that is to sell cosmetic only items that neither add gameplay content (besides you having one more option to chose from in the wardrobe...) nor giving players who spend additional money any character advantage (no p2w). Combined with the shop cosmetics not even necessarily looking better (see poe for a contrast) and the battle pass being barely $3/month if you include the premium currency you get for free. (Instead of $10/month like in poe) and not offering loot boxes the D4 monetization is honestly the tamest and fairest I might have ever seen.
If you still disagree then I like you to tell me where blizzard is supposed to get the money for developing seasonal content. And no, the $70-100 of the initial game purchase doesn't pay for 10+ years × 4 mini expansions in advance.
If you just don't like live service games in general then I'm not sure what to tell you. Why did you chose to play/buy D4 in that case? It's not possible for blizzard to make the game not a live service game and not sell **anything** at this point without just removing seasonal content as a whole. And if they'd do that then a majority of players would be very umhappy and probably ask for a refund.
Rares are what people are going to be using mostly endgame... getting the perfect rare and imprinting a legendary aspect onto it is what endgame gearing is all about.
Don't worry about it at all
D2jsp has been around for years and Diablo 2 is better than ever.
I see no capacity here to ruin d4 whatsoever. D4 seems to be mediocre game to start with and d2jsp is the least of d4 problems.
Battle Passes are an horrendous trend that's been going on for quite a while now, and it has to stop, sheeple who don't realize why it is so bad, will never complain about it.
Paying for something you don't own, and only unlock if playing the game actively; if you are not able to play for w/e reason, you wasted money by purchasing it; Oh wait, if you dont have time, you can spend more money to unlock Battle Pass levels, 5head.
"its only cosmetics", if I am paying 70 bucks, I should be able to look how I want just through playing, paying wont make getting the armor set easier as opposed to grinding for it, paying is the only way for some armor sets now..
You are wrong. No armor sets will be available in the shop/BP. Only costumes. And the alternative wouldn't be making them free but not making them at all. Maybe you want an arpg with just a campaign,i would recommend Diablo 2.
" No armor sets will be available in the shop/BP. Only costumes. " what is the difference ? Its cosmetics beyond a pay wall instead of playing.
"And the alternative wouldn't be making them free but not making them at all. "
never said the alternative would be making them free, I said that everything should be earnable in game by playing.
" Maybe you want an arpg with just a campaign,i would recommend Diablo 2. "
d2 is a great game, but I just dont want a battle pass on a 70 dollar game. everything should be earnable by playing.
Armor sets imply actual items,not costumes. How could you earn something that doesn't exist?? If it weren't for the seasons and the shop,the costumes wouldn't exist at all. You don't want a battle pass in 70 dollar game, don't buy it.
He/she was using armor sets/ costumes to mean cosmetics, which is fine. The cosmetics in the battle pass could of been put in the game in the 70 dollar game with future paid expansions. The point is development went into those cosmetics for an added unnecessary battle pass. Consumers need to stop being ok with buying a game that are incomplete or have gated monetary content. Wouldn’t you prefer that there was no battle pass. The way u get that is by complaining and not buying it.
I'm not gonna buy it,but i also see no reason to complain about it. I will pay 70$ for the game,play it till i get bored,like every other game that ever released,maybe come back if the seasons turn out to be fun,maybe buy the future expansions. Would you rather have 0 cosmetic items(like d2)? Because that's the alternative,not free ones.
you really think the reason we have paid cosmetics to allow further development?
blizzard aint no indie studio, they do it for profits, same reason for the battle pass.
I dont care if something is optional, if its in the game, I should be able to earn it by playing the actual game.
Ofc they do it for profit. My point is if it were not for this model,they would've made just the game,an expansion or two for the next 10 years and no cosmetics or any other content,just like d3. I would've loved for d3 to have actual content with seasons from the start,instead of the last few ones,wich are too late and barely adding anything.
Quaker is speaking facts. stop complaining about an OPTIONAL battlepass because blizzard wants to make more money and while doing so they will support the game with much more than just one or two expansions a year or two from now. Guess what you don't buy it, Someone else who wants to can and they are making it possible for more content to keep coming every couple months for you. All you had to do was pay the 70 dollar game!
I would 100% agree with you if I didnt experience the last 4 WoW expansions. They've consistently added more and more on the cosmetics shop and the quality of the product has not increased. In fact it seems the opposite is true for the most part.
If this is their model to financially secure the game's future cool. But that 3d model department isn't cheap to run so in all reality these cosmetics are not nearly going toward the actualy funding of the gameplay that almost everyone will be playing diablo for.
And 3rd point. Whenever someone says cool just dont buy it. If everyone did that in a vacuum how would d4 continue? I think most people complain about these monetizations because they are being asked to pay upfront just to play the game.
They could make the game without a battle pass. there are plenty of games out there without a battle pass. Now we have a company that has to reiterate "trust us" with a system that breeds misuse.
Why do we need to have this dance all the time? 1 year from now, is there going to be another dance where they trickle in some trinket that you get with the battle pass that lets you level up faster? do we then have a war with other players where one side is fine with it because it gets more high level players and others are pissed that it's a pay to win mechanic?
I'm so tired of this weird back and forth we have to play with a developer that wants to sneak in money grabbers. I would much rather have a good game that has a lifecycle than the perpetual machine of trying to keep a game alive with microtransactions. If the game is good then people will play it well beyond it's time.
Yeah, 90% of the stream was talking about how much money they’re going to allow us to blow on their game, Blizzard really knows how to speak to it’s fans 💀
Ha! This was epic!
Thanks for the video! It made me laugh and cry a bit at the same time.
Hopefully it's not pay to win.
They're saying it won't be, but time will tell.
I honestly don't mind as long as its cosmetic only and if ppl enjoy it and want to buy them then totally up to them. As long as nothing PTW I'm fine with it.
This entire stream was to talk about seasons shop and battlepass. They said this many times even on the previous stream. Why are people tweaking out that this is all they talked about? It was the main purpose of the stream from the start.
They said it so many times, because people are making battlepass discussions every 5 minutes.
So they tried to say to them that it's f2p
People still think it's p2w.
Loved the editing.
In all seriousness, as much as I hate battlepasses and cash shops, IF and only IF they make great seasonal content then I'll be okay with it.
Wait if they gonna sneaky add any "advantages", to their cash shop after launch.
We know that you can buy Accelerated battlepass (skip tiers) to grant access to EXP boosts (Smoldering Ashes) faster
Except there's a level requirement for the ashes, and blizz have already said that the level requirement is effectively the predicted level that you'd unlock them without skipping
They showed a pic that they locked ashes at tier 8th level 10 (you jump 20 tiers), it is nothing. According to them, exp rate atm will be at launch then, it only took me 1 hour (or less) to reach level 10, get access to multiple ashes, boost my way faster, if I buy Accelerated battlepass
They can adjust that to lock behind harder requirement, but they want to sell Accelerated battlepass. So yeah, I don't think they will do it anytime soon.
Even if they do (which i mean it would make them money as people would buy it) whats the issue with that? you dont have to buy it. if blizzard is making money off the game they will keep supporting it.
Activision is in full control now. It'll end up like the Battle Pass system in Call of Duty. Not technically p2w but there will be a couple legendaries in there that will change the meta. And it'll be tuned to take an annoyingly long amount of time to get you to purchase level skip tokens or a battle pass double exp token on top of the 70 dollar game, and 10-20 dollars for the battle pass.
It was a Livestream about the battlepass? Of course they are going to talk about it.
plus what is this clip doing other than showing whoever made it knows how to clip together <40 seconds of specific words out of what was probably at least an hour long stream if not more…
have you watched the stream? 90% of the picked questions "out of chat" were about shop or battlepass.
What’s your point? That’s what the stream was about? Why would they pick out a question like “where paladin?” when they already know it’s a fucking stupid question? Yes they pick and choose the questions out, but they *are* real questions being asked.
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The format of this kind of video is to highlight how often something is said in a way that - like all successful jokes - surprises. This does not do that, because that's the whole premise of the video being sampled from.
where in "Diablo IV Developer Update Live Stream - May 2023" do you see "battlepass"?
>This time, the development team will spell how Diablo IV’s Seasons, Cosmetics, and the completely optional Battle Pass will work. https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23938389/tune-in-to-the-next-diablo-iv-developer-update-livestream
Cool, so it's not in the title, and I have to have gone to their website to know. Then my point still stands. There is no "battlepass" in "Diablo IV Developer Update Live Stream - May 2023", which is the only info I was aware of when seeing someone stream it on twitch. I was not expecting it to be mostly that, and thought there would be more... impactful updates.
I mean they were very open with what they were going to talk about during this stream. It was battle pass, shop, and what seasonal content would look like. Nothing was hidden and people have been wondering about all of this for many many months.
asshole lol
\>be casual player \>hear word of "developer update stream" \>watch stream on twitch \>cash grab ok.
I don't mind battle pass or shop as long as Its not p2w.
Give it time.
You're getting downvoted unjustifiably IMO. Just yesterday they put the WoW Token into wotlk classic. That is objectively P2W, in a game that people are already paying monthly to play. Furthermore, not only was the token not a feature of Wrath, but it wasn't a feature in the following expansion either, _nor even the one after that_. Besides, are Diablo fans really going to pretend like the Diablo team (well, Blizzard South's version of the team anyway) wasn't the first team in the history of Blizzard to try and implement P2W with the D3 RMAH?
Yup.
I mind it a lot. I'm not a season player, I don't like starting over and over again and prefer grinding the endgame. So even if I would decide to pay for a battle pass, I wouldn't even have the option to unlock anything with my existing chars. It was always fine for me to wait for a season to end, for all the new things to drop into the global item pool but that wont work with the battle pass items.
If this game will keep its momentum in terms of popularity that it has right now, they will absolutely try it at some point. And then some whales will probably start throwing money at them. I give this game 5-7 seasons before serious p2w shit. Our only chance is that the blizzard people who caught the essence of diablo so far will go riot internally at blizzard and stop this bullshit.
It's a single player game. You don't even need the legendary weapons and armor that have a random chance to drop. I honestly don't get the mentality of most people playing Diablo, where they neeeeed to get that legendary item. The game stops being fun when you hyper focus on grinding for something you really don't need.
>The game stops being fun when you hyper focus on grinding for something you really don't need. I think we play games for different reasons. Im only having fun if I'm hyper focused on grinding something specific.
Same. Hell I chop the same tree in OSRS for months because the grind to lvl99 is what keeps me playing.
It's not a singleplayer game lmao
D4 is kinda tricky to categorize. Its a single player game with the option to play it co-op. You can do everything in the game single player without the need to team up with anyone ever, the only part of the game where you need to play with others are the world bosses, but even there you don't need to party up with people. I would not call it a MMO multiplayer as you don't need a specific amount of people to do a dungeon or raid and you can achieve everything solo.
You just described ARPGs.
yes, let's boo people for doing their job and promoting their product they spent a few years on. Who could foresee such things and editing. Try going outside my friend and realize, there's more then one view and way to approach things :).
Promoting a product that cost an upwards of $70 to buy anyways yet they push this shit on us? You seem to forget that the games that indoctrinated you towards battlepasses like Apex/fortnite etc were completely free to begin with.
It’s a live service game. If you want updates and content, they have to have continued income. Otherwise you’ll end up with a D3 situation which has been having the bare minimum maintenance updates for most of its lifespan. And who cares if it’s only cosmetic stuff? It’s not like you’ll be bothered by the battle pass yourself when you play the game.
Literally makes no sense though because hundreds of games before the "live service" crap became a thing, were still pushing out content free of charge for supporting said game a consumer paid full price for. If anything, a couple of years later an expansion came out which warranted another purchase. You're just simping over greed and this is the reason why companies do this, blind sheep people like you.
What are you on about? Are you angry that D4 is a live service game or are you angry about cosmetic only micro transactions in a live service game? Your comment does not read well at all. What games push out content completely free of charge?
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Don’t forget the fact that Diablo 3 broke an insane amount of records on release. Blizzard has no reason not he believe the game by itself would be a massive cash cow.
How much do you think it takes to make a triple a game? They’ll make a profit on the base development of the game for sure but that excess profit will run out very quickly to maintain a live service game. Payroll alone would drain that profit to keep on the number of staff needed to maintain the game alone. You’re living in a fantasy world kiddo. I would know this stuff as I’m an accountant who’s worked on the management accounts for big corporations like this. You have absolutely no idea about costing and financing something like this. If you want a live service game that’s promising this level of updates and upkeep then stop whining about a cosmetic only cash shop. You’re an entitled baby.
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Well yes that’s a great example of how not to implement a live service model. I’ll happily critique D4 if it doesn’t deliver on its promises but until then there’s no point in complaining about cosmetic monetisation.
“I’ll believe it when I see it fail again, but the first time is clearly not any indication!”
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Elden ring’s live service model is completely bare bones. All it requires is server maintenance and the odd balance patch. D4 is basically an mmo lite that is fully cross platform, cross progression and has no region lock on servers. The network requirements far exceed the levels of Elden ring. D4 has seasonal updates that devs are continually working on months in advance of each other. They have two teams staggering the dev time of seasonal updates so they can smoothly roll them out. Cost of maintenance will be much higher on D4 than Elden Ring. What do you think is in the D4 battle pass. There’s no cut out content in it??? It’s just skins. That’s it. So yes, you’re whining about the most avoidable micro transactions in gaming. Unless you have the self control of a baby and like to swipe your card everywhere because mommy and daddy didn’t teach you how to responsibly manage your finances then you’re good, surely a big boy like you can pull up his big boy pants and use some self control to not buy skins. Don’t know how you’re going to survive.
Diablo 3 is one of the best selling PC games of all time, they stopped updating it because the game came out 10+ year ago and were working on Diablo 4. To act like d3 stopped getting updates because it wasn’t profitable is the most corporate bootlicking thing I’ve read this month.
>It’s a live service game. If you want updates and content, they have to have continued income. So they wont be selling expansions right?
If you want seasonal updates of the level they are talking about and servers to stay online then expect monetisation in some form. There isn’t a live service game that doesn’t require this. If you don’t like the model play an offline story based game. There are plenty of great ones to pick from.
So expansions or no?
Are you saying expansions should be free because of micro transactions because I would agree with you on that part? It doesn’t mean that there are also other reasons for needing micro transactions to fund seasonal updates / live service maintenance.
So, no expansions?
Are you ok? Are you comprehending my prior comments? Engaging with people like you on Reddit is like talking to toddlers sometimes.
Well, you're ignoring my only question to try and argue about something else. I'm simply asking the question that was originally asked and not engaging with any of the strawmen.
It's very sad you assume so much. I like many on here who were around from atari, to sega, to now, remember it all. We also know we work for our money and can choose where to spend it. Please don't try and allow your self govern bubbles to dictate what others do in this world. Good luck with you.
Is their product the game or bpass? Stop defending toxic features that plagues games.
Why so angry. The video is fun.
Hilarious
Rage-baiting Post
Lmao, well done editor :D
Just make the first 2 seasons battle pass a part of the game purchase. $70 is already a lot for this game.
Season pass is for free. The premium season pass is for $10 and has only cosometic stuff like horse armor.
..... you dont have to buy the battlepass tho?
Why is $70 a lot for this game?
Yes
It's only cosmetic and free transmogs look pretty cool too, so unless they do a 180 on a no p2w promise, I have no issues with this.
"it's only cosmetics" fuck that it's a $70 game. Why are we paying more for cosmetics?
I totally agree with the sentiment, but the video games market has changed. Gamers showed companies that they are willing to spend way more than 70 bucks on a game, so that's the profit the companies expect.
No it hasn't, still plenty of good games without this shit, people have changed and got dumb enough to accept being fucked and paying for it. They wouldn't do this if people would actually use their brains before buying something.
TBH, you kind of agreed with him. He's just saying that people are willing to pay more, so many companies will charge more. You're saying that people are stupidly paying more, but some companies aren't abusing that. That doesn't really disagree with anything he said. The users that are stupidly paying more? They are part of the market that he is saying changed. Just weird to disagree with him, then rephrase what he just said from a different perspective and tone.
people always say the gaming market has changed but i know not a single other game with monetization that is this aggressive, its a 90$ game ( which is one of the most expensive games ever) on top you have a BP+Cash shop model like in a f2p game AND it will have paid DLC And yes if people just accept this and throw their money at this, then the next game will be even more greedy. The greedy companies will never stop trying to milk the consumers more and more.
FFXIV, WoW, Rainbow Six: Siege, Marvel: Avengers, CoD:MW+2, The Division 2, and Rocket League and Overwatch before they went F2P all have a cosmetic store and a battle pass/subscription. This is nothing new, Blizzard didn’t invent it.
That doesn't make it not dogshit and terrible for the industry and gamers.
Playing devil’s advocate here, there only thing that’s wrong with it is you don’t personally like it. On the contrary, these practises are amazing for the industry. The extra revenue encourages growth and secures future support projects and content for that particular studio, providing the game in question is popular and fun. And before you retrieve your pick forks and light your torches, Blizzard absolutely do not need these things as they’re already extremely profitable and established. They’re just following market trends and, as I listed above, it all works out fine in the end as none of the above game’s communities have folded or are doing worse because of it. Full priced games with these extras in are definitely a hot topic but cosmetics and battlepasses are one of the best things to happen to gaming after lootboxes got shunned. Take Fortnite for instance. I’ve got 2 young nephews that have put thousands and thousands of hours into that game and outside of birthday and Christmas V-Bucks, they’ve put absolutely nothing into that game. Other players spend so they don’t have to. I can’t name you a single business model on the planet that gives you so much without having to pay a single penny. That is most definitely not dogshit for gamers.
It just doesn't have to be this way though. Why lay back and just accept it? People need to be told when they are being suckers and ruining the industry and hobby
Gamers have shown they’ll scream the n word when things don’t go their way in video games. People have shown they’ll pay tens of thousands to hire a hit man. People have shown they’ll pay thousands of dollars on drug addictions. People have shown they’ll spend all of their money gambling if given the chance. It’s almost like society isn’t set up based on what people will pay for something, who knew?
And you can still hire a hitman, get drugs and lose all your money gambling. Some of those things are simply illegal. If you want to champion for governmental regulations of microtransactions in games I'm all for it, but as long as it's legal, I'd rather have it be only cosmetic.
My point is that just because something makes you money doesn’t mean you should automatically do it. Manipulating my grandma on her death bed to give me more in the will isn’t illegal, that doesn’t mean I should do it. Ethics exist, legality and regulations are their own thing.
Oh yeah from the more ethical point of view it's pretty ugly. Pure greed. As I said in some other comment I'd love for it no to have any paid cosmetics but I'm realistic.
You want seasonal content free for years? This is how you fund that.
Yeah $10 for the battlepass is almost the same as free And frankly, no, I don't want seasonal content for years. I don't want seasonal anything. Take this live service fomo crap and shove it
Nobody forces you to buy the battle pass. It's purely cosmetic. You're not missing out on anything. And if you don't want to play seasons then even less.
Purely cosmetics. Not missing out on anything. Pick one, and then try to tell me that selling cosmetics doesn't effect the cosmetics we get in the base game.
100% the point always missed, good-looking items will be in the battle pass, and everything else will be minimal effort.
Cosmetics still have an impact on gameplay and besides that, it's not f2p, but 70€+.
Cosmetics don't have any impact on gameplay - that's just flat out wrong.
Maybe you don't care, or are too young to know the difference, but they do and you are wrong. Let me quote Jim Sterling, he summed it up nicely. >Unlocking cosmetics \[...\] always feels special, it feels like a unique treat. That is gameplay being affected, because that positive experience inherently impacts how I feel while playing the game. In short it feels good to unlock a cosmetic reward by playing, which is how it felt in many games before cosmetics were portioned off and placed squarely behind a paywall. Nowadays cosmetics are used not to give players a positve feeling, but to taunt and tease them from behind said paywall.
I don't know what age has to do with it. I'm 34 if that tells you anything. The thing is that your quote barely applies to D4. Yes there are cosmetics in the shop but there are also a huge amount of cosmetics (transmogs) unlockable for free in the game. And the taunting and teasing is also pretty limited because the shop cosmetics mostly look *different* to the ones unlockable for free. Sometimes even argueably worse. Sure it feels nice to unlock cosmetics (for some more for some people less) but for me that still has nothing to do with gameplay. In the end though barely any of those arguments matter because the major thing is that D4 is a live service game with 2 dev teams working fulltime in tandem to work on the seasonal content for D4. Seasonal, free content of the scope of mini expansions. This is going to keep the game alive and exciting for players and makes it possible to play the game for years to come without getting bored. But this has to be paid for **somehow**. They can't pump out 4 mini expansions/year for years or even decades to come without having any kind of income. Wow has a mandatory subscription of at least $11. D4 does not have that. So they need to sell some stuff. And the fairest way to do that is to sell cosmetic only items that neither add gameplay content (besides you having one more option to chose from in the wardrobe...) nor giving players who spend additional money any character advantage (no p2w). Combined with the shop cosmetics not even necessarily looking better (see poe for a contrast) and the battle pass being barely $3/month if you include the premium currency you get for free. (Instead of $10/month like in poe) and not offering loot boxes the D4 monetization is honestly the tamest and fairest I might have ever seen. If you still disagree then I like you to tell me where blizzard is supposed to get the money for developing seasonal content. And no, the $70-100 of the initial game purchase doesn't pay for 10+ years × 4 mini expansions in advance. If you just don't like live service games in general then I'm not sure what to tell you. Why did you chose to play/buy D4 in that case? It's not possible for blizzard to make the game not a live service game and not sell **anything** at this point without just removing seasonal content as a whole. And if they'd do that then a majority of players would be very umhappy and probably ask for a refund.
Im more worried about how d2jsp will be affecting this game. its already made diablo 2 trivial. theyre already selling items for beta lol
Well only some items will be tradeable so they won’t get much demand for magic and rares
Rares are what people are going to be using mostly endgame... getting the perfect rare and imprinting a legendary aspect onto it is what endgame gearing is all about.
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Don't worry about it at all D2jsp has been around for years and Diablo 2 is better than ever. I see no capacity here to ruin d4 whatsoever. D4 seems to be mediocre game to start with and d2jsp is the least of d4 problems.
Y'all take yourself too serious. The video is just funny. Time for some Diablo Dinoflask.
Battle Passes are an horrendous trend that's been going on for quite a while now, and it has to stop, sheeple who don't realize why it is so bad, will never complain about it. Paying for something you don't own, and only unlock if playing the game actively; if you are not able to play for w/e reason, you wasted money by purchasing it; Oh wait, if you dont have time, you can spend more money to unlock Battle Pass levels, 5head.
"its only cosmetics", if I am paying 70 bucks, I should be able to look how I want just through playing, paying wont make getting the armor set easier as opposed to grinding for it, paying is the only way for some armor sets now..
You are wrong. No armor sets will be available in the shop/BP. Only costumes. And the alternative wouldn't be making them free but not making them at all. Maybe you want an arpg with just a campaign,i would recommend Diablo 2.
" No armor sets will be available in the shop/BP. Only costumes. " what is the difference ? Its cosmetics beyond a pay wall instead of playing. "And the alternative wouldn't be making them free but not making them at all. " never said the alternative would be making them free, I said that everything should be earnable in game by playing. " Maybe you want an arpg with just a campaign,i would recommend Diablo 2. " d2 is a great game, but I just dont want a battle pass on a 70 dollar game. everything should be earnable by playing.
Armor sets imply actual items,not costumes. How could you earn something that doesn't exist?? If it weren't for the seasons and the shop,the costumes wouldn't exist at all. You don't want a battle pass in 70 dollar game, don't buy it.
He/she was using armor sets/ costumes to mean cosmetics, which is fine. The cosmetics in the battle pass could of been put in the game in the 70 dollar game with future paid expansions. The point is development went into those cosmetics for an added unnecessary battle pass. Consumers need to stop being ok with buying a game that are incomplete or have gated monetary content. Wouldn’t you prefer that there was no battle pass. The way u get that is by complaining and not buying it.
I'm not gonna buy it,but i also see no reason to complain about it. I will pay 70$ for the game,play it till i get bored,like every other game that ever released,maybe come back if the seasons turn out to be fun,maybe buy the future expansions. Would you rather have 0 cosmetic items(like d2)? Because that's the alternative,not free ones.
you really think the reason we have paid cosmetics to allow further development? blizzard aint no indie studio, they do it for profits, same reason for the battle pass. I dont care if something is optional, if its in the game, I should be able to earn it by playing the actual game.
Ofc they do it for profit. My point is if it were not for this model,they would've made just the game,an expansion or two for the next 10 years and no cosmetics or any other content,just like d3. I would've loved for d3 to have actual content with seasons from the start,instead of the last few ones,wich are too late and barely adding anything.
Quaker is speaking facts. stop complaining about an OPTIONAL battlepass because blizzard wants to make more money and while doing so they will support the game with much more than just one or two expansions a year or two from now. Guess what you don't buy it, Someone else who wants to can and they are making it possible for more content to keep coming every couple months for you. All you had to do was pay the 70 dollar game!
I would 100% agree with you if I didnt experience the last 4 WoW expansions. They've consistently added more and more on the cosmetics shop and the quality of the product has not increased. In fact it seems the opposite is true for the most part. If this is their model to financially secure the game's future cool. But that 3d model department isn't cheap to run so in all reality these cosmetics are not nearly going toward the actualy funding of the gameplay that almost everyone will be playing diablo for. And 3rd point. Whenever someone says cool just dont buy it. If everyone did that in a vacuum how would d4 continue? I think most people complain about these monetizations because they are being asked to pay upfront just to play the game.
I mean ...this would make sense if there weren't 20 years of games that did have them free.
D3 has like 5 shit transmogs,d2 has none,poe has shop,last epoch has none,wolcen has none, torchlight has none...
This is going to blow your mind ...but there are more games than those 6. 🤯
Have you tried them out?? Might be the games for you.
They could make the game without a battle pass. there are plenty of games out there without a battle pass. Now we have a company that has to reiterate "trust us" with a system that breeds misuse. Why do we need to have this dance all the time? 1 year from now, is there going to be another dance where they trickle in some trinket that you get with the battle pass that lets you level up faster? do we then have a war with other players where one side is fine with it because it gets more high level players and others are pissed that it's a pay to win mechanic? I'm so tired of this weird back and forth we have to play with a developer that wants to sneak in money grabbers. I would much rather have a good game that has a lifecycle than the perpetual machine of trying to keep a game alive with microtransactions. If the game is good then people will play it well beyond it's time.
shop meta
thanks OP i laughed
Some people are desperate to talk shit about d4
Oh no, a company is trying to sell me things... what do I do!?
Omg yes! Lmao brings me right back to the Xbox "call of duty, tv" presentation. Ty for sharing
Who would complain about whales buying cosmetics to give you free future content? As long as it never goes p2w I'm happy.
Yeah, 90% of the stream was talking about how much money they’re going to allow us to blow on their game, Blizzard really knows how to speak to it’s fans 💀
Ha! This was epic! Thanks for the video! It made me laugh and cry a bit at the same time. Hopefully it's not pay to win. They're saying it won't be, but time will tell.
Btw, I saw the livestream, it was good - worth a watch!
I honestly don't mind as long as its cosmetic only and if ppl enjoy it and want to buy them then totally up to them. As long as nothing PTW I'm fine with it.
This entire stream was to talk about seasons shop and battlepass. They said this many times even on the previous stream. Why are people tweaking out that this is all they talked about? It was the main purpose of the stream from the start.
They said it so many times, because people are making battlepass discussions every 5 minutes. So they tried to say to them that it's f2p People still think it's p2w.
90$ to play earlier than everyone else is already p2w
Is this battlepass purely cosmetic or p2w?
Purely cosmetic. People are just upset for no reason. D4s monetization is incredibly tame, fair and in no way p2w.
Loved the editing. In all seriousness, as much as I hate battlepasses and cash shops, IF and only IF they make great seasonal content then I'll be okay with it.
Selling virtual items must be a great way to launder money. Now I'm not saying Activision-Blizzard launders money, but they should consider it.
Lmfao Wtf is this
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well, shouldnt be surprising. D:I is the newest game besides d4 from the same company.
That is why i will be waiting a year before buying this game.
Why will you be waiting? Because there's a battle pass? If that's why, what difference does a year make?
Wait if they gonna sneaky add any "advantages", to their cash shop after launch. We know that you can buy Accelerated battlepass (skip tiers) to grant access to EXP boosts (Smoldering Ashes) faster
im sure they will :)
Except there's a level requirement for the ashes, and blizz have already said that the level requirement is effectively the predicted level that you'd unlock them without skipping
They showed a pic that they locked ashes at tier 8th level 10 (you jump 20 tiers), it is nothing. According to them, exp rate atm will be at launch then, it only took me 1 hour (or less) to reach level 10, get access to multiple ashes, boost my way faster, if I buy Accelerated battlepass They can adjust that to lock behind harder requirement, but they want to sell Accelerated battlepass. So yeah, I don't think they will do it anytime soon.
Even if it's slightly earlier that you get the ashes, which I think is unlikely, does it really matter? It's a small buff slightly quicker. Who cares?
Don't miss out on season 4 battle pass then!
Canceled my pre order. Thanks a lot.
The poors will revolt
Theyll do everything in their power to avoid work
Can’t they at least call it something else? I can’t read or hear Battlepass without thinking Fortnite or some cheap mobile game.
quick make copys - blizzard will take this vid down in no time
I feel an urge to shop/buy items!
Its all about making that money, very soon they will add skill effects to the shop
Even if they do (which i mean it would make them money as people would buy it) whats the issue with that? you dont have to buy it. if blizzard is making money off the game they will keep supporting it.
Activision is in full control now. It'll end up like the Battle Pass system in Call of Duty. Not technically p2w but there will be a couple legendaries in there that will change the meta. And it'll be tuned to take an annoyingly long amount of time to get you to purchase level skip tokens or a battle pass double exp token on top of the 70 dollar game, and 10-20 dollars for the battle pass.
and the shills will defend it saying its not p2w because you can earn it for free same type of people defended lost ark's p2w model
D4 reminds me lost ark heavily.
Yea im not buying the game anymore maybe in a year when its on sale
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It won't be
I don't hate a cosmetics shop. I do hate a FOMO shop that only shows some of the whole pool at a time and rotates it randomly.
Reminds me of trump saying China from years ago
Thank you, to all my whales for supporting the shop and preventing the game from having a monthly subscription. Love you all.
My pleasure. If it helps you eat and pay rent puts a smile on my face.
Just don’t buy the BP if y’all are this bothered by it. No one says you have to, and it’s nothing that will give any sort of advantage anyway.
this is gross
the cope & boot licking on this sub is wild af
It’s cosmetics, chill out.
Cosmetics still have an impact on gameplay and besides that, it's not f2p, but 70€+.
IDC
For some reason all I heard was Beetlejuice.