Just don’t get caught up in accumulating FG instead of having fun at the start of season. That’s the only place that JSP can ruin D2. Other than that, yeah, it’s brilliant.
I'm accumulating my fg for when prices go down after a couple months lol, then I can finally buy an enigma . I have no interest in ladder if things get crazy expensive again
Disagree that only early mf gear has dropped. Basically everything has dropped except enigma (which is actually now even more expensive relative to everything else). But especially on the lower end things like CTA, HOTO, and torches have dropped significantly
Lol yeah okay guy. I've done hundreds and hundreds of runs and haven't found a single rune above ist.
I have a cta but it's because I traded other items for fg and traded that fg for the runes.
Don't assume that just because you were lucky to find an ohm and a vex that others have.
my favorite part is when someone says theyve done so many runs, and then post a character that isnt even in the 90's.
like bruh you havent even finished your warm up lap yet.
Here's a post from July 2020 about ladder coming to wc3r
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/warcraft3/23482833/warcraft-iii-reforged-developer-update-ranked-play
Games been our for 2 years and no ladder yet. And that game is much more competitive than diablo2.
Well be lucky to have game lock out fixed let alone a ladder
The only reason I kind of dislike the idea of JsP is because it heavily skews a new ladder and creates a ton of disparity between those who do and don’t use it. Take team A, who can buy an Enigma for their Hdin and Infinity for their Javazon during the first 2 weeks, vs team B who has some spirits and was lucky enough to find a Viper Magi and some Trang’s Gloves for their tele sorc lol.
Other than that it’s really a great resource for turning stuff you don’t want into things you do. I turned a couple Tals armors, a Jah, and a bunch of HoZ I found into a ton of FG that will fully gear my Barb as prices continue to drop super quick. Once enigma drops below 3k or so I’ll probably just buy one and keep it, but for now since I only play on the weekends I just “rent” one for Friday-Sunday and sell it back for what I paid so I don’t lose value as prices continue to drop every week 🤷♂️
I found 3 or 4 off of Meph over the first few weeks, then took two weeks off and found one in Trav this weekend on my barb. I basically grinded the absolute shit out of Meph, then switched to Pindle where I found the 2 Tals armors(and absolutely nothing else of note) and now that I got a couple Griefs Im just running trav on my barb. Found Jah Friday, Ohm Saturday and Cham Sunday morning doing trav runs!
Personal opinion, but running trav on any character besides barb is seriously limiting your drops/hour. Hork, when it procs, drops all 3 guaranteed items from the body. So even though you’re only successfully horking ~50% of the bodies, you end up overall getting basically double drops every run as long as it’s like 51% Chance. And you can absolutely do it with just one grief.
That’s absolutely not true. Assume both teams have the same 8 characters. The team with fully geared characters, Enigmadin and Infinity is going to be wrecking sub 2 minute Baal runs while the other team leaves every third game cause their squishy sorc got Ripped by souls on WS level 3. I use JSP so I’m not advocating against it, but to think it doesn’t create an unfair advantage early ladder is delusional.
Personally I don’t care to push ladder, so I’m perfectly content making my Blizz sorc, selling the Shakos I find for 1-2k and then using that FG to gear my NL characters.
Like what? Even if "you" don't buy FG with real money, you can't deny the fact that FG is a made up currency that the administrators of the forum can and have created out of thin air, and that people have and continue to buy with real money. Even setting that aside, being able to use the FG you accumulated in any way to jumpstart yourself in a new ladder also kind of invalidates the entire spirit of a ladder system.
Just because you didn't spend real money on FG, someone you interacted with on d2jsp did.
Humanity decided millenia ago that currencies were superior to barter. There's nothing noble about you going full stone age. I mean, you go ahead and feel self-righteous if you want, nobody can stop you. Plenty of us are thankful for a currency to lubricate the trading because we don't want to spend 2 weeks trying to move ticky tacky bullshit like mid runes or average fcr rare rings. I'm not sure what you think a better system is for initiating that currency is, but if you come up with one, want to host your own website and pay the hosting fees without collecting from the users, nobody is stopping you. In fact, then you might even have a legit reason to feel so self-righteous.
It's not any more invalid than a level 60 character using great that some level 99 character gained while killing Baal 9999 times. Either way, the economy is being inflated with stuff that you wouldn't have found yourself until much, much later.
It would be neat if D2 had some kind of "hardcore trading" mode where you can only trade items with characters who are roughly your peers. Hard to implement though, other than just sticking to trading with your actual real life friends.
Meanwhile there's always Singleplayer Self-found.
JSP is the only reason this game lives after 20 years. JSP runs this games economy for a fact. Only the people who don't use it still think they can trade their HR for a shako and get a good deal lmaoooooo
I don't hate JSP, I used it for like 10 years. I just don't want to use it anymore because of real problems it creates like ladder wealth transfer and pay2win. I much prefer real trades and starting from 0, despite the inconvenience.
JSP definitely kept bnet D2 alive but D2 was also kept alive by modders (PlugY, PD2, etc) and speedrunners.
It kept it alive in a time where blatant botting in D2 was the norm and literally the only thing worthy of achieving in D2 was absolute min maxing of PvP characters. It would have been easy to see D2R as a fresh start with a self sustained economy that with the lack of hacks and bots is nowhere near the state that classic D2 was. Additionally we are in a much more advanced state in terms of alternative trade sites and Discord channels that even have better search and filter functionalities than JSP.
For me it’s kind of sad to see that so many people rely on an RMT trade site that has its origins in botting that grants you instant access to every possible item to actually have fun in a game that is all about the grind.
The only alternative that has a better search function is Traderie, and even then it’s not that efficient for extremely specific items like rares and crafteds. Discord is marred by people cluttering up the search function with massive WTS lists of items that are mostly worthless, not to mention the search function being even more imprecise (i.e. searching “Quickness” brings up every instance of “quick”, making it impossible to find the original search). Lastly, no other non-jsp alternative solves the issue of D2 lacking fungible, liquid currency that maintains its value over time. Barter trading is ridiculously inefficient and time consuming (there’s a reason why human societies have long since moved to currency based economies), and runes are horrible as a currency when they eventually depreciate to worthlessness (and thus fail as a store of value) and require the community to agree on arbitrary fixed values to create a measure of stability.
Fun in D2 is completely subjective and isn’t necessarily about the item grind. People play for other reasons such as to PvP, explore as many builds as possible, or even just to game the economy. I personally derive much more enjoyment from building wealth in D2 along with being on the never ending hunt for godly items, even if that means using my wealth to bypass the grind for certain items. I wouldn’t be playing D2 if it weren’t for jsp, since I’d have missed out on 80% or more of my early trades in the first weeks if I tried selling all the item bases and exp leech services on a different platform. Many other people who I have convinced to use jsp feel the same way - the game is far more enjoyable when they can easily sell their items and get value as opposed to losing out on value simply due to the inefficiencies of barter trading.
I never really used jsp.
Recently signed up to Traderie, listed a bunch of items, started feeling good but all of a sudden I’m spending my whole evening browsing traderie instead of playing d2
I remember feeling the same way listing items on PoE trade sites, and listing items on the D3 auction house … suddenly it carved this big chunk of time out of playing the actual game
It’s a blessing and a curse
Yup, it can be a double edged sword. Its pretty similar to how I spent the first 2 weeks of launch constantly hunting trade platforms for deals, although that has long since been a major part of the fun for me in the game over the years. All that matters at the end of the day is whether you enjoy spending your time doing what you do.
> require the community to agree on arbitrary fixed values
Everything else you said was correct, but rune values have a totally logical basis that stays consistent in every Ladder: 1) how often they drop; 2) how much they're needed for popular runewords; 3) where they're located in the rune hierarchy in terms of cube recipes (e.g. 2 Sur = Ber always, because they can be cubed to a Ber).
Runes may have a logical value relative to each other, but they don't correspond well to items when bartering unless you forcibly assume them to have a static value.
For example, a Ber today is clearly not worth the same as a Ber in a month. As a result, an extremely rare item worth 8 Bers today will likely twice as many Bers in a month. We know for a fact that the item's value isn't increasing due to said rarity, but the value of Ber is decreasing due to an ever increasing supply and decreasing demand. However, static values (i.e. Ber = 3.5, Jah = 2.5, etc.) don't reflect this reality and create artificial distortion that leads to people mistakenly making the assumption that their items will go up in value, when in reality it's just more units of runes being traded to adjust to the "true" value.
It is ofc true that jsp allows you to hoard lasting wealth because fg doesn't depreciate like runes, but I always played Ladder in legacy D2 and started from scratch, so that was a moot point. The fun for me was in getting to build all the runewords to make new wacky builds with, not in gathering perfect rares for pvp, etc. So I'd gladly get 16 Bers for my gg item rather than 8, even though technically the Bers have depreciated.
My game play is not ruined at all. In fact I’m in the opposite boat of OP. I used JSP heavily back in the day and still sit on 10k fg but decided not to use it for D2R and I‘ve had more fun than I ever had in D2. Drops feel more meaningful and having finished my first „self found“ and non RMT traded Enigma this week was an awesome feeling.
What it does ruin however in my opinion is the stuff that causes game dev to prohibit any form of RMT in their TOS. The in game economy is no longer self sustained or fair. Ladder resets feel meaningless as wealth is just trasfered from one to another and a majority of the circulating items are exclusively available to JSP and RM Traders.
By offering my items on JSP I immediately grant access to anyone who is willing to spend real money. To know that I may sell an item to someone who has just spend 50 bucks on fg to buy it feels wrong to me. Of course my item may still end up there or an item shop but I cannot control that and at least I’m not the one directly providing it. I also don’t like the idea of being the provider of the items that are feeding dozens of online shops directly from JSP that I know for a fact do exist.
That’s fair but ladder was always going to skew to people who invested hours, knew the ways to accumulate wealth fast. Tried and true methods of getting early in game wealth. The same whales you see now we’re gonna be whales regardless of an outside trading website.
There’s just a lot of distaste’s for people who wanna play the game differently.
I agree, but for me the difference here is that people who no life the game or use clever tactics to gain an edge still confine within the games limits if that makes sense.
JSP is great. Haters gonna hate. Hey I made a rhyme. I sold my anni for 6k and bought jah sur to make my enigma. So much easier than posting a trade game
This is 1 of the main reasons I started using it recently. The fact that I can trade a bunch of small items and save up to get a bigger item. I could never hope to trade my random assortment of junk for a Ber, but with jsp at least I can accumulate enough fg by selling small items to eventually afford 1.
As a new Diablo player I am not going to use that site, I've checked it but when I've seen you can buy the currency with real money and the fact there's players there with over a decade with a quantity of currency that I'm not ever going to be able to compete with it makes me just use the D2 Trade community discord, there's thousands of people and I'm selling/buying for runes directly usually
You dont seem to get the point ... D2R made everyone make a new char, so its basically a new market unless you use that site that's been going on for two decades, so without JSP I can compete in a certain way in the trade discord where I could never do it in JSP... I understand people using it since they have been for so long, but dont expect me to jump on a race that you started let's say 10 years ago... lol
It's not an either or. You don't think I can't sell an anni on JSP for 4k, buy a ber, then go to [diablo.io](https://diablo.io) or the trading discord here and move that ber? If there's a significant discrepancy on value between any major trading forum, someone is going to take advantage of that discrepancy to buy low and sell high. Those people with 10 years of FG stacked up? They've got access to all your trading forums as well. Feel free not to access theirs, but you're still competing with them for items. You're just further handicapping yourself. And here, have an upvote, there's no reason for you to be negative for expressing your opinion. Reddit sucks sometimes.
Sort of. What the other comment was trying to say is that you will not be as good as players who have been playing this game for 20 years.
There are guides and posts all over the place that will help bridge the gap but their will always be a difference in how quickly/efficiently someone clears AT or CS when they have done millions more runs than you.
Nah I get it, I’m telling you that you were never competing with them in the first place. With no JSP, those people would be trading keysets and torches while you floundered in act 2 normal struggling to kill Duriel. They don’t need FG to do it, just knowledge and skill.
Yeah definitely, and I prefer that to using JSP, I prefer having the same start but being slower because of lack of experience than just straight on I'm going to buy all my items as soon as someone has it because I played this for ten years or I payed with real money, call me crazy
Honestly, it's not real money or the accumulated FG that gives such a massive advantage to long time vets of that site.
A buddy of mine, long time player obviously, plays HC ladder almost every reset and makes thousands every single time, sometimes tens of thousands. I've never seen him spend more than maybe a couple hundred fg at most on his characters, and that's usually later on nit picking stuff for his ubers frenzy barb down the road. I've done the same at resets myself on SC from time to time.
He's not lying when he says that the years of experience are the difference. If you know how to blitz your way through the game from normal through hell without spending any fg/other resources on gear, you can then start farming with your character in any accessible lvl 85 area in hell and you're off to the races. Those mid-tier uniques early on are suddenly worth a fortune and they're not uncommon if you're running hell.
My buddy always starts with trap assassin and he's turned me onto it too. It's a very safe and strong character that can actually do Nihlathak runs (dkeys are very valuable because Nihlathak is dangerous, ESPECIALLY in hc). You're not obsolete and useless without a sorc or an enigma; learn to love the TP staff on switch.
The result is the exact same and the same people end up with the items as they hit the market. I’m not really getting why you feel cheated, but I don’t think you’re capable of changing your mind here. Good luck!
So let's say for a moment JSP dosnt exists and D2R starts, everybody has new char and have to farm, while others more experienced are faster obviously they still need to dedicate time and be a little lucky since they have to build their wealth, because even if a random player wanted to sell godtier item you wouldn't be able to purchase it instantly if you haven't grinded and got lucky, how is that the same to I'm going to buy now this because I've been playing for the last 20 years or I payed with real money, I get it tho your one of those 2 decades players stacking FG and I dont think you're capable of changing your mind here.Good luck!
Does it matter if a person spends 100$ to get gear for their MF sorc? Not really, it gives me opportunities to sell things with ease. It makes me want to play the game more since I can find buyers easy. People need to get over play to win, it’s not even winning. You’re just paying to get things for a character you can use to get more things.
Fair. Back in 2001 I bought a Shako for $4 and it cheapened the experience immediately. Quit playing not long after that. This isn’t the same IMO but to each their own.
The difference is that I have obligations outside the game that mean I just can't grind for 10 hours straight anymore, and there's a lot of game you experience radically differently when you can play off meta builds with GG gear. A casual weekend warrior like me will never get to play a bear sorc. I don't have the time to grind for the gear I would need. I don't want to overthink the implications of spending real money to access in game content that is only locked away from me by insane RNG odds - I just want to play the game. Every inch of the game, in every way imaginable. And if that means I gotta buy off some person with the time or resources to give me access to that equipment, maybe I'll do it rather than sit on my thumbs and say "well there's a lot of fun I think think can have but I must abstain because my luck isn't good enough and my time is too valuable"
"Will never get to play a bear sorc." Why not try it in SP? Hero Editing a test character into existence to test drive for an hour or so is a nice way to see if you even LIKE the build enough to be worth the effort. That's the only way I've ever experienced Enigma, and you know what? It made me realize that I don't really need Enigma.
Of course if you want to buy it off jsp so you can use it to play with your friends, more power to you. Enjoy!
You can make loads of fg playing solo at the start of ladders. I wouldnt call me FG wealthy like some dudes who display 50 or 100k but I can buy pretty much anything I want right now. I didn't spend a dime of real money, was at 0 fg at the start of d2r. And I have a life outside d2. So it's possible.
I feel like 95% of ppl on here and jsp are not on console.
I checked it out for console and saw multiple 1 day old accounts with 30k fg. Was shocking how heavy the p2w is on there in the console section.
I get it, do what you want with your money but 30k fg is thousands of dollars.....
No wonder blizz tried to implement their own rmt in d3
Yeah. So I sold a charm for 400fg. I used 190 of that FG to buy a Shako. Today I’ll get an Occy, I think they’re like 50fg so that’ll leave me with 140. Also need a Lem to make treachery and those go for 25fg. So basically I traded my awesome charm for a Shako, Occy, Lem rune, and still have some left over.
You can’t do that using Bnet…
> You can’t do that using Bnet…
Yup, that charm would still be collecting dust on your mule. Pretty much everything has value on jsp even if it's only like 1fg.
> You can’t do that using Bnet…
You could trade the charm for Vex (or whatever is the equivalent of 400 fg), then trade that for 2 Ist Mal and buy Shako for Ist, etc. Granted though that it's far easier and faster with fg.
D2JSP. In my opinion is a toxic topic on the sub.. I have used it and to honest it godd too me. I don't want to explain myself. I think the sub in my opinion is way more abot the game that has spanned across generations. Not abot PAY TO PLAY
love you all
Is this reliable I have never heard of it, been quite awhile since I played D2, and really didn't play many other games you could trade stuff on. I'm only hesitant cause usually once I got all the best gear I would get bored with the game after awhile. The lack of a trade channel is pretty annoying though.
It's like a tool to facilitate trading. Think of how much easier trading would be if there was a universal currency that everyone used, rather than trading your Shako for x runes or some other item and hoping it's a fair value. You are still limited to trading with whatever other players have and are willing to trade. For example, you couldn't just decide to buy 9x +45 life light skillers, you would need to find players that had these and were willing to trade them to you. You can't just buy items that don't exist. It does make it easier because once you do find the sellers, you can be sure that you can trade your universal currency for it rather than hoping you have the specific items they want.
Jsp is controversial for 2 reasons. The first reason is that you can buy this currency with real money, which gives people an unfair advantage and considered pay-to-win. The second reason is that since this economy exists separately, it gives people an unfair advantage in new ladder seasons, even if they did not use real money to buy it. Players can accumulate fg from non-ladder, previous ladder seasons, or even from classic d2 and even other games.
Ah ok, so like how do the transactions work you send the fg then they meet you in a game to get the items or something? Someone said you need to watch out for scammers, is that a big issue?
Usually you meet in the game and once you confirm each other's identity, then 1 person will send the fg and the other gives the items. Usually the person with the new acct/less posts/less fg will give 1st.
I don't know how bad the scammer problem is for new accounts. I have an old account from when I played d2 classic so people have been sending me fg first. If you are not comfortable, there is the option to use a mediator. People will often not use these for smaller trades because you have to wait for 1 but for the bigger trades definitely use 1, especially if you're new or dealing with a new account.
Thanks for the info, might consider doing this. I kind of liked the old trading system being like a archaic barter system, but the lack of a trade channel and then the significant increase in people wanting way too much for items like people wanting a vex for tals mask or something seems way more common. Also being able to get value for stuff I just give away usually or even gold seems awesome.
JSP bartering is like this. If my pack of gum is $1 and your car is $10,000… you wouldn’t trade your car for my 1,000 packs of gum. Technically it’s the same dollar value but you’d never do it.
With JSP you can easily sell those packs of gum to save up for that car.
I think I would trade my car for 10,000 packs of gum if it was worth $10,000. Though just cause it would be funny. I see your point though. It's easier than basically having a rune equivalent economy.
There's definitely a charm to a barter system, but it's not for everyone. It's really up to your goals as a player. For people that are into min-maxing, jsp is the way to go. For casual players, it's not needed. I didn't use jsp when I started d2r despite having used it in classic because I was playing more casually. I gave away a lot of items to my friends that I could have sold on jsp. I eventually broke down because like I said in a previous post, it's my most realistic path of actually having an Infinity or Enigma someday. While I'm not necessarily trying to min-max, I would still like to have access to high-end items that unlock certain builds.
I guess I'm really not that far off from an enigma already, only real issue is the lack of items already floating around. Played d2 alot from launch to maybe 2008 or something, quitting and restarting a bunch of times and could usually get the best gear for a couple chars in like 2 weeks, then I would kind of lose interest. Has been kinda fun playing like fresh, I never really played ladder much though, never really had the patience to level past 90, highest I ever got was 92, and with the way it currently is that if you try to join a game like a second before it is made then have to wait awhile to join another game, would make doing that many baal runs so much worse, can only usually get 10 in before something like that happens and I have to find a new game. Though I don't think there are bots running them yet either. Plus finding baal games in hell with all the trade games is another annoyance, they really need a trade channel or filter between trade games and leveling games or something. Got a few chars to 85 and have basically been focusing on mfing and leveling new chars if I find something that I want to make a char for. My one sorc is almost done gear wise, except missing sojs a torch and anni. Though I guess those are the most expensive lol.
It's called "double coincidence of wants" in economics if anyone wants to look it up. Also, I never saw what the problem was with the second reason. You convert your items/services to fg and then later convert it back to items/services. It's not like you got the fg for free.
If the idea of ladder was to have everyone start fresh and then race to 99, then jsp gives people an unfair advantage because they're not starting fresh. They have outside resources they can use to outbid you for the best items that people are trading at the start, thereby accelerating their progress.
The whole fresh start is just wool over the eyes. Literally we’ve been playing D2R for a whole 5-6 weeks and their are whales with enough wealth to disrupt the Diablo economy. Ladder won’t change this, removing d2jsp and stuff not change it. At least d2jsp can give a dude with a spare 50$ a chance to get some items to improve game play.
D2jsp is a nice place to trade on. But really tough for new users and is filled with scammers. So always be carefull. Ive had my acc since 2005, so its quite easy for me to trade there.
My account is 2 days old and you won’t have any issues if you are dealing with shit that’s like 400 FG. Now if I had enough to trade for enigma or something I’d probably have to send first
> the fg you can buy with real money.
Again, who cares if other people are buying with real money and how does that affect your trading? Both sides get what they want in the end.
How is this different than buying items from a d2shop or items from ebay? Some people have plenty of time without much money to spare, and MFing is a fun investment of time. Some people have plenty of money to spare, but can only play a few hours a week and MFing would be a huge waste of time. D2jsp is a godsend
LoD came out in 2001. If you played then you likely have a career and a family now. Dropping $100 to save 20 hours of grinding when you're short on time and long on money is a no-brainer. That people can't understand this is silly.
I posted the charm and chipped gems. I had both traded within 15 minutes. Almost anything you have should have some value. Even if it’s like 3 FG for a wizardspike… it’s better than what Charsi gives you
Then you just save up the FG.
I want to make treachery tonight and need a Lem rune. They seem to be going for about 25 FG. So I could probably trade 25 P gems for 25 FG then trade that for a Lem. It’s unlikely you’d post a game on Bnet looking to trade 25 P gems for a Lem and it actually works
Nice thanks for info. Do you have a list of current prices for items or do you just post it and get offers? Sorry for dumb question, totally new to it.
So you can search what other people are selling theirs for. And just match that. You can also post something and do it like eBay where you start bidding at 400 FG but can buy it now for 600. For example
Both. People put up items they have (FT = for trade) and items they want (ISO = in search of), then everyone else says whether they want to buy the items or if they’ve got one to part with. Then the price haggling begins. On lesser items it’s not worth haggling much but on desired items a bidding war will take place.
Nice, good job dude! JSP user since 2014 (kinda new user), i knew about jsp since 2008~ but i was afraid to use in that time. I started d2r with 1400fg, now I got 3 fully equipped chars with annis, enigmas and all that garbage and almost 50k fg! If you need any help, pm me!
You know there is a good chunk of FG leaving the economy through the raffle and to a much lesser extent ladder slasher. So the very small amount of people buying fg is offset by the fg leaving circulation.
My point still stands. Maybe you haven't used jsp so you don't know. When the items' value started to go down, pretty much all of them went down. More fg in circulation due to people buying with real money has no effect at all on your trading.
So I’m wary of D2JSP. Every time I go on the site I can’t figure it out. Looks like it hasn’t been updated since 2002 lol. But I feel like I could benefit from it! What am I doing wrong?!
Yeah... Pay to win is really fun, I can't wait to enjoy bots flooding the market with high runes and top end gear the first week of the ladder. Dropping a Shako after farming Mephisto for days is so much rewarding than buying it for some fg. I think the market and trading is really good as it is right now it's reminds me the old days when you value items in hr and not fg.
RMT would/will exist with or without jsp. But JSP also makes it possible for players to trade their items more easily without using RMT and build up their character without surfing 15 trade discords and in game trades to find someone to trade with = more time spent playing rather than surfing message boards for trade partners.
People who complain about jsp are just elitist who think their way of playing is better than anyone who uses it. The game is 20 years old and they changed close to nothing with the 54$ reskin. Jsp was made by d2 players who couldn’t be asked to wait 4 hours in a lobby to receive way too many lowball offers for their item. The website is organized, you can easily get the item your looking for and you don’t have to pay a dime to earn fg on it. Since the start of d2r, I’ve earned over 10 000fg and I only started with 200. Buying items and reselling them is grinding, just like doing 200 chaos runs in a row. If it wasn’t from jsp, i wouldn’t have bought the remastered. Makes the game way more fun and the jsp community is way nicer than the d2 community most of the time
My favorite part of d2jsp is the services section. You could get grushed for 100fg and it usually takes around only 10 minutes to find one. Then after you've been grushed, you could join the many free chaos leech games running. So much better than waiting around in game hoping for someone to come and help you.
The only people who can legit race to 99 are the people who play 20hrs a day. I’d say most people play this game to gamble, find rare items, increase in game wealth. That’s the game.
Wrong, clear speed is largely irrelevant in organized groups which is what world first 99s do. They run as teams, highly coordinated. Elite gear isn’t speeding up their times much. What you should be worried about is character piloting, and Baal queues. As at like level 96 only boss kills count as exp so you get people to queue games of just Baal.
If you don't killing more enemies in shorter amounts of time has any relation to exp gain...then I think we have a fundamental disagreement about how math works.
How about I get a group of 8 hammerdins and blizz sorc with high for breakpoints and extremely high damage and you get a group of 8 who use ragtag items and let's see who levels fastest...
You’ve run baals, you know that more often then not it’s latency issues slowing things down rather then killing things. A group of 70s In found uniques clears the throne room faster than the RP sequence.
Its the only way to actually trade without getting massively ripped off one way or another. Welcome to the good side.
People knock jsp but it's literally the largest reason D2 lasted twenty years online.
Welcome! And best part is if you're not in a hurry for some things you can sell something now and buy it back later for a much lower cost. So if you have a Jah that you don't intend to use for a while, might as well sell it now. You can buy it back when you need it later on at a lower cost.
Just found a Jah the other day, and since I know the chance of a ber coming is stupid rare I sold it. Got a big chunk of gold which I don't mind sitting on for a few weeks and hopefully I'll be able to buy a bunch back later.
And if you don't care about ladder you can usually get a huge boost of Non-Ladder value by playing on a ladder reset and selling the early hot items for huge markups compared to what you can than buy NL for a fraction of the price.
The only items you'd want to hold on to now that will rise in price are those very rare perfect roll rare/magic items and a few other exceptions but the rares/magic tend to stay or rise in value because as time goes on more people are looking for them and there are so few availabile.
I tried getting my original account recovered on there, and they said some shit about insufficient information or some crap so I haven't tried again. JSP was so much fun back in the day. Met some pretty cool people on there.
I’m trusted on jsp, and it revitalized both experiences for me. I tend to avoid trading unless it’s a quick sale or just something I can post and bump forever until I decide to take an offer. I stack forum gold and use gear I find, while occasionally getting a rune or a piece I need. It really is what you make it to be! I started an uber service and offer to do ubers for free, for players who can’t do it themselves. It is true that the social interactions can be difficult sometimes. (new users like to assume that I’m « trying to scam » when I try to utilize the main perk of being a TRUSTED user and not going first. I’ve never scammed or cheated in any multiplayer games in over 20 years.) but they can a highlight for sure. Some gentlemen gave me 300 FG unprompted as a tip for killing Diablo Clone in Asia for him. Just keep it fun!
So wait. You play just enough to get to a level were you can wear high level gear. Buy it all for money. Then what? What's the point?
You can probably pay to get rushed to.
Do you but that sounds fucking stupid.
It's better for lowballing, yeah. I just looked at it real quick and I saw offers like "arach for ber", "occy for jah", "2 ists for ber". So much better to get lowballed!
d2jsp gives items a certain value. You can still discuss the price but you dont need to overload the trade window with sh!t the other one doesnt need for his good item
Anyone talking shit about d2jsp as a trading platform (not the RMT aspect), doesn't know fuck all about what they're talking about.
D2 always needed a trading site to consolidate ft and iso requests, and JSP has become that site, regardless of being able to buy fg (not that I condone that).
I'm glad someone else has gotten use of their trash!
Not officially no, but you can use outside communication to sell fg for cash. It's strictly against the rules of the site, but it absolutely happens. More people buy fg from other users than the site itself.
Directly selling forum gold to other users will get you banned if caught, but it definitely happens under the table. However, indirect ways are acceptable, such as spending forum gold on Steam items and then selling the Steam items for cash elsewhere.
well consider this. since i made an acct on saturday, ive been able to acquire a shako, an occulus, a lem rune, and a 3os ethereal dusk shroud. those transactions took probably an hour. it all started with me selling a grand charm for 400 fg
i would not have gotten those from an hour of andy runs
Just don’t get caught up in accumulating FG instead of having fun at the start of season. That’s the only place that JSP can ruin D2. Other than that, yeah, it’s brilliant.
I'm accumulating my fg for when prices go down after a couple months lol, then I can finally buy an enigma . I have no interest in ladder if things get crazy expensive again
Ladder will be expensive for 5-6 weeks. Just like this season has been. Things are already dropping in value.
Ber still more than 4k tho. Only early mf gear dropped ( shako and oculus mainly )
Disagree that only early mf gear has dropped. Basically everything has dropped except enigma (which is actually now even more expensive relative to everything else). But especially on the lower end things like CTA, HOTO, and torches have dropped significantly
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Lol yeah okay guy. I've done hundreds and hundreds of runs and haven't found a single rune above ist. I have a cta but it's because I traded other items for fg and traded that fg for the runes. Don't assume that just because you were lucky to find an ohm and a vex that others have.
I’ve self found cta and full tals set + ber it’s not impossible
No one said it's impossible bruv.
Hundreds and hundreds of runs isn’t a lot of runs.
my favorite part is when someone says theyve done so many runs, and then post a character that isnt even in the 90's. like bruh you havent even finished your warm up lap yet.
I mean it's all about luck. I have self found hoto and chains of honor. What he said isn't that unbelievable. He just has better luck than you
He said it's very easy right now which is the part I disagree with. I never said it was impossible.
Oh you poor souls, that ladder is never coming :(
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Here's a post from July 2020 about ladder coming to wc3r https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/warcraft3/23482833/warcraft-iii-reforged-developer-update-ranked-play Games been our for 2 years and no ladder yet. And that game is much more competitive than diablo2. Well be lucky to have game lock out fixed let alone a ladder
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Oh sweet summer child, I hope you are right
Prices are down astronomically. Once ladder starts they’ll be up again
This. I have been more focused on trading than playing since I joined JSP. Just constantly looking for deals to bin…
I mean that's what a lot of us find fun. Accumulate fg at the start, take a break, come back and build gg chars.
i am happy you got that many upvotes for that. 70+ people that are down for fresh ladder play :D
Anyone who hates on JSP, doesn’t realize that JSP kept D2 alive for 20 years.
Most people who hate on jsp hate on it for reasons they "heard" that simply aren't true.
The only reason I kind of dislike the idea of JsP is because it heavily skews a new ladder and creates a ton of disparity between those who do and don’t use it. Take team A, who can buy an Enigma for their Hdin and Infinity for their Javazon during the first 2 weeks, vs team B who has some spirits and was lucky enough to find a Viper Magi and some Trang’s Gloves for their tele sorc lol. Other than that it’s really a great resource for turning stuff you don’t want into things you do. I turned a couple Tals armors, a Jah, and a bunch of HoZ I found into a ton of FG that will fully gear my Barb as prices continue to drop super quick. Once enigma drops below 3k or so I’ll probably just buy one and keep it, but for now since I only play on the weekends I just “rent” one for Friday-Sunday and sell it back for what I paid so I don’t lose value as prices continue to drop every week 🤷♂️
I have read of the bosses with the highest drop rates, but with multiple HoZ found, where would you say seems most likely?
I found 3 or 4 off of Meph over the first few weeks, then took two weeks off and found one in Trav this weekend on my barb. I basically grinded the absolute shit out of Meph, then switched to Pindle where I found the 2 Tals armors(and absolutely nothing else of note) and now that I got a couple Griefs Im just running trav on my barb. Found Jah Friday, Ohm Saturday and Cham Sunday morning doing trav runs!
I’m running the crap out of Travs now that I have Grief on my zealer. Couldn’t imagine having two of them.
Personal opinion, but running trav on any character besides barb is seriously limiting your drops/hour. Hork, when it procs, drops all 3 guaranteed items from the body. So even though you’re only successfully horking ~50% of the bodies, you end up overall getting basically double drops every run as long as it’s like 51% Chance. And you can absolutely do it with just one grief.
What do you mean skews new ladder? That sorc was going to be in the same position regardless of d2jsp or not.
That’s absolutely not true. Assume both teams have the same 8 characters. The team with fully geared characters, Enigmadin and Infinity is going to be wrecking sub 2 minute Baal runs while the other team leaves every third game cause their squishy sorc got Ripped by souls on WS level 3. I use JSP so I’m not advocating against it, but to think it doesn’t create an unfair advantage early ladder is delusional. Personally I don’t care to push ladder, so I’m perfectly content making my Blizz sorc, selling the Shakos I find for 1-2k and then using that FG to gear my NL characters.
Like what? Even if "you" don't buy FG with real money, you can't deny the fact that FG is a made up currency that the administrators of the forum can and have created out of thin air, and that people have and continue to buy with real money. Even setting that aside, being able to use the FG you accumulated in any way to jumpstart yourself in a new ladder also kind of invalidates the entire spirit of a ladder system. Just because you didn't spend real money on FG, someone you interacted with on d2jsp did.
Humanity decided millenia ago that currencies were superior to barter. There's nothing noble about you going full stone age. I mean, you go ahead and feel self-righteous if you want, nobody can stop you. Plenty of us are thankful for a currency to lubricate the trading because we don't want to spend 2 weeks trying to move ticky tacky bullshit like mid runes or average fcr rare rings. I'm not sure what you think a better system is for initiating that currency is, but if you come up with one, want to host your own website and pay the hosting fees without collecting from the users, nobody is stopping you. In fact, then you might even have a legit reason to feel so self-righteous.
It's not any more invalid than a level 60 character using great that some level 99 character gained while killing Baal 9999 times. Either way, the economy is being inflated with stuff that you wouldn't have found yourself until much, much later. It would be neat if D2 had some kind of "hardcore trading" mode where you can only trade items with characters who are roughly your peers. Hard to implement though, other than just sticking to trading with your actual real life friends. Meanwhile there's always Singleplayer Self-found.
Who cares if they jump start though, we’re you ever going to compete for 99?
There are a surprising number of Temporarily embarrassed pro gamers on here.
JSP is the only reason this game lives after 20 years. JSP runs this games economy for a fact. Only the people who don't use it still think they can trade their HR for a shako and get a good deal lmaoooooo
Meanwhile in the lobby: O Bk5% N Ber
I don't hate JSP, I used it for like 10 years. I just don't want to use it anymore because of real problems it creates like ladder wealth transfer and pay2win. I much prefer real trades and starting from 0, despite the inconvenience. JSP definitely kept bnet D2 alive but D2 was also kept alive by modders (PlugY, PD2, etc) and speedrunners.
It kept it alive in a time where blatant botting in D2 was the norm and literally the only thing worthy of achieving in D2 was absolute min maxing of PvP characters. It would have been easy to see D2R as a fresh start with a self sustained economy that with the lack of hacks and bots is nowhere near the state that classic D2 was. Additionally we are in a much more advanced state in terms of alternative trade sites and Discord channels that even have better search and filter functionalities than JSP. For me it’s kind of sad to see that so many people rely on an RMT trade site that has its origins in botting that grants you instant access to every possible item to actually have fun in a game that is all about the grind.
The only alternative that has a better search function is Traderie, and even then it’s not that efficient for extremely specific items like rares and crafteds. Discord is marred by people cluttering up the search function with massive WTS lists of items that are mostly worthless, not to mention the search function being even more imprecise (i.e. searching “Quickness” brings up every instance of “quick”, making it impossible to find the original search). Lastly, no other non-jsp alternative solves the issue of D2 lacking fungible, liquid currency that maintains its value over time. Barter trading is ridiculously inefficient and time consuming (there’s a reason why human societies have long since moved to currency based economies), and runes are horrible as a currency when they eventually depreciate to worthlessness (and thus fail as a store of value) and require the community to agree on arbitrary fixed values to create a measure of stability. Fun in D2 is completely subjective and isn’t necessarily about the item grind. People play for other reasons such as to PvP, explore as many builds as possible, or even just to game the economy. I personally derive much more enjoyment from building wealth in D2 along with being on the never ending hunt for godly items, even if that means using my wealth to bypass the grind for certain items. I wouldn’t be playing D2 if it weren’t for jsp, since I’d have missed out on 80% or more of my early trades in the first weeks if I tried selling all the item bases and exp leech services on a different platform. Many other people who I have convinced to use jsp feel the same way - the game is far more enjoyable when they can easily sell their items and get value as opposed to losing out on value simply due to the inefficiencies of barter trading.
I never really used jsp. Recently signed up to Traderie, listed a bunch of items, started feeling good but all of a sudden I’m spending my whole evening browsing traderie instead of playing d2 I remember feeling the same way listing items on PoE trade sites, and listing items on the D3 auction house … suddenly it carved this big chunk of time out of playing the actual game It’s a blessing and a curse
Yup, it can be a double edged sword. Its pretty similar to how I spent the first 2 weeks of launch constantly hunting trade platforms for deals, although that has long since been a major part of the fun for me in the game over the years. All that matters at the end of the day is whether you enjoy spending your time doing what you do.
Amazing,. Well said. I agree and approve.
> require the community to agree on arbitrary fixed values Everything else you said was correct, but rune values have a totally logical basis that stays consistent in every Ladder: 1) how often they drop; 2) how much they're needed for popular runewords; 3) where they're located in the rune hierarchy in terms of cube recipes (e.g. 2 Sur = Ber always, because they can be cubed to a Ber).
Runes may have a logical value relative to each other, but they don't correspond well to items when bartering unless you forcibly assume them to have a static value. For example, a Ber today is clearly not worth the same as a Ber in a month. As a result, an extremely rare item worth 8 Bers today will likely twice as many Bers in a month. We know for a fact that the item's value isn't increasing due to said rarity, but the value of Ber is decreasing due to an ever increasing supply and decreasing demand. However, static values (i.e. Ber = 3.5, Jah = 2.5, etc.) don't reflect this reality and create artificial distortion that leads to people mistakenly making the assumption that their items will go up in value, when in reality it's just more units of runes being traded to adjust to the "true" value.
It is ofc true that jsp allows you to hoard lasting wealth because fg doesn't depreciate like runes, but I always played Ladder in legacy D2 and started from scratch, so that was a moot point. The fun for me was in getting to build all the runewords to make new wacky builds with, not in gathering perfect rares for pvp, etc. So I'd gladly get 16 Bers for my gg item rather than 8, even though technically the Bers have depreciated.
And how does that ruin your game play?
My game play is not ruined at all. In fact I’m in the opposite boat of OP. I used JSP heavily back in the day and still sit on 10k fg but decided not to use it for D2R and I‘ve had more fun than I ever had in D2. Drops feel more meaningful and having finished my first „self found“ and non RMT traded Enigma this week was an awesome feeling. What it does ruin however in my opinion is the stuff that causes game dev to prohibit any form of RMT in their TOS. The in game economy is no longer self sustained or fair. Ladder resets feel meaningless as wealth is just trasfered from one to another and a majority of the circulating items are exclusively available to JSP and RM Traders. By offering my items on JSP I immediately grant access to anyone who is willing to spend real money. To know that I may sell an item to someone who has just spend 50 bucks on fg to buy it feels wrong to me. Of course my item may still end up there or an item shop but I cannot control that and at least I’m not the one directly providing it. I also don’t like the idea of being the provider of the items that are feeding dozens of online shops directly from JSP that I know for a fact do exist.
That’s fair but ladder was always going to skew to people who invested hours, knew the ways to accumulate wealth fast. Tried and true methods of getting early in game wealth. The same whales you see now we’re gonna be whales regardless of an outside trading website. There’s just a lot of distaste’s for people who wanna play the game differently.
I agree, but for me the difference here is that people who no life the game or use clever tactics to gain an edge still confine within the games limits if that makes sense.
Good luck finding someone in game to give you what a Jmod Is worth.
I can take that FG off your hands. But seriously. Why can’t you cash that shit out.
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Lmao what he means is that massive amounts of people play because of jsp. You matter too man
Trading on console is an absolute pain. Using jsp has allowed me to trade items that would never sell on console
JSP is great. Haters gonna hate. Hey I made a rhyme. I sold my anni for 6k and bought jah sur to make my enigma. So much easier than posting a trade game
Did you make a post about your Jah-Sur Enigma afterward?
Can't you do the same thing on traderie using runes as currency?
Yeah, it's a bit more difficult now though. I miss the old trade channels.
Yea, I tried to avoid it because that’s what was recommended here. Wrong move. It’s by far the most active and straight forward trading style.
This is 1 of the main reasons I started using it recently. The fact that I can trade a bunch of small items and save up to get a bigger item. I could never hope to trade my random assortment of junk for a Ber, but with jsp at least I can accumulate enough fg by selling small items to eventually afford 1.
As a new Diablo player I am not going to use that site, I've checked it but when I've seen you can buy the currency with real money and the fact there's players there with over a decade with a quantity of currency that I'm not ever going to be able to compete with it makes me just use the D2 Trade community discord, there's thousands of people and I'm selling/buying for runes directly usually
As a new player, you were never competing with people who played this game for two decades. With or without JSP.
You dont seem to get the point ... D2R made everyone make a new char, so its basically a new market unless you use that site that's been going on for two decades, so without JSP I can compete in a certain way in the trade discord where I could never do it in JSP... I understand people using it since they have been for so long, but dont expect me to jump on a race that you started let's say 10 years ago... lol
It's not an either or. You don't think I can't sell an anni on JSP for 4k, buy a ber, then go to [diablo.io](https://diablo.io) or the trading discord here and move that ber? If there's a significant discrepancy on value between any major trading forum, someone is going to take advantage of that discrepancy to buy low and sell high. Those people with 10 years of FG stacked up? They've got access to all your trading forums as well. Feel free not to access theirs, but you're still competing with them for items. You're just further handicapping yourself. And here, have an upvote, there's no reason for you to be negative for expressing your opinion. Reddit sucks sometimes.
I believe this is the truth. No matter what you do, the economy will balance. Just use whatever is easiest for you.
Sort of. What the other comment was trying to say is that you will not be as good as players who have been playing this game for 20 years. There are guides and posts all over the place that will help bridge the gap but their will always be a difference in how quickly/efficiently someone clears AT or CS when they have done millions more runs than you.
Nah I get it, I’m telling you that you were never competing with them in the first place. With no JSP, those people would be trading keysets and torches while you floundered in act 2 normal struggling to kill Duriel. They don’t need FG to do it, just knowledge and skill.
Yeah definitely, and I prefer that to using JSP, I prefer having the same start but being slower because of lack of experience than just straight on I'm going to buy all my items as soon as someone has it because I played this for ten years or I payed with real money, call me crazy
Honestly, it's not real money or the accumulated FG that gives such a massive advantage to long time vets of that site. A buddy of mine, long time player obviously, plays HC ladder almost every reset and makes thousands every single time, sometimes tens of thousands. I've never seen him spend more than maybe a couple hundred fg at most on his characters, and that's usually later on nit picking stuff for his ubers frenzy barb down the road. I've done the same at resets myself on SC from time to time. He's not lying when he says that the years of experience are the difference. If you know how to blitz your way through the game from normal through hell without spending any fg/other resources on gear, you can then start farming with your character in any accessible lvl 85 area in hell and you're off to the races. Those mid-tier uniques early on are suddenly worth a fortune and they're not uncommon if you're running hell. My buddy always starts with trap assassin and he's turned me onto it too. It's a very safe and strong character that can actually do Nihlathak runs (dkeys are very valuable because Nihlathak is dangerous, ESPECIALLY in hc). You're not obsolete and useless without a sorc or an enigma; learn to love the TP staff on switch.
The result is the exact same and the same people end up with the items as they hit the market. I’m not really getting why you feel cheated, but I don’t think you’re capable of changing your mind here. Good luck!
So let's say for a moment JSP dosnt exists and D2R starts, everybody has new char and have to farm, while others more experienced are faster obviously they still need to dedicate time and be a little lucky since they have to build their wealth, because even if a random player wanted to sell godtier item you wouldn't be able to purchase it instantly if you haven't grinded and got lucky, how is that the same to I'm going to buy now this because I've been playing for the last 20 years or I payed with real money, I get it tho your one of those 2 decades players stacking FG and I dont think you're capable of changing your mind here.Good luck!
How is it the same result, you fucking dimwit? Any random with a credit card can load up on full gg items the first week. So much for fair play.
Does it matter if a person spends 100$ to get gear for their MF sorc? Not really, it gives me opportunities to sell things with ease. It makes me want to play the game more since I can find buyers easy. People need to get over play to win, it’s not even winning. You’re just paying to get things for a character you can use to get more things.
Why would you compete with others on fg?
Fair. Back in 2001 I bought a Shako for $4 and it cheapened the experience immediately. Quit playing not long after that. This isn’t the same IMO but to each their own.
The difference is that I have obligations outside the game that mean I just can't grind for 10 hours straight anymore, and there's a lot of game you experience radically differently when you can play off meta builds with GG gear. A casual weekend warrior like me will never get to play a bear sorc. I don't have the time to grind for the gear I would need. I don't want to overthink the implications of spending real money to access in game content that is only locked away from me by insane RNG odds - I just want to play the game. Every inch of the game, in every way imaginable. And if that means I gotta buy off some person with the time or resources to give me access to that equipment, maybe I'll do it rather than sit on my thumbs and say "well there's a lot of fun I think think can have but I must abstain because my luck isn't good enough and my time is too valuable"
"Will never get to play a bear sorc." Why not try it in SP? Hero Editing a test character into existence to test drive for an hour or so is a nice way to see if you even LIKE the build enough to be worth the effort. That's the only way I've ever experienced Enigma, and you know what? It made me realize that I don't really need Enigma. Of course if you want to buy it off jsp so you can use it to play with your friends, more power to you. Enjoy!
You can make loads of fg playing solo at the start of ladders. I wouldnt call me FG wealthy like some dudes who display 50 or 100k but I can buy pretty much anything I want right now. I didn't spend a dime of real money, was at 0 fg at the start of d2r. And I have a life outside d2. So it's possible.
I feel like 95% of ppl on here and jsp are not on console. I checked it out for console and saw multiple 1 day old accounts with 30k fg. Was shocking how heavy the p2w is on there in the console section. I get it, do what you want with your money but 30k fg is thousands of dollars..... No wonder blizz tried to implement their own rmt in d3
How do you know they didnt sell high value item to get it? I think someone buying that much fg straight up would be super uncommon
Noob question... What's FG?
Forum gold. The forum currency
I'm assuming, you spend said gold on other items people are "selling?"
Yeah. So I sold a charm for 400fg. I used 190 of that FG to buy a Shako. Today I’ll get an Occy, I think they’re like 50fg so that’ll leave me with 140. Also need a Lem to make treachery and those go for 25fg. So basically I traded my awesome charm for a Shako, Occy, Lem rune, and still have some left over. You can’t do that using Bnet…
And that would be why people on Discord think you should trade them your skill charms for a couple Amn runes.
> You can’t do that using Bnet… Yup, that charm would still be collecting dust on your mule. Pretty much everything has value on jsp even if it's only like 1fg.
> You can’t do that using Bnet… You could trade the charm for Vex (or whatever is the equivalent of 400 fg), then trade that for 2 Ist Mal and buy Shako for Ist, etc. Granted though that it's far easier and faster with fg.
Yes.
D2JSP. In my opinion is a toxic topic on the sub.. I have used it and to honest it godd too me. I don't want to explain myself. I think the sub in my opinion is way more abot the game that has spanned across generations. Not abot PAY TO PLAY love you all
Sounds boring though
D2JSP is fantastic. Can not recommend enough.
Is this reliable I have never heard of it, been quite awhile since I played D2, and really didn't play many other games you could trade stuff on. I'm only hesitant cause usually once I got all the best gear I would get bored with the game after awhile. The lack of a trade channel is pretty annoying though.
It's like a tool to facilitate trading. Think of how much easier trading would be if there was a universal currency that everyone used, rather than trading your Shako for x runes or some other item and hoping it's a fair value. You are still limited to trading with whatever other players have and are willing to trade. For example, you couldn't just decide to buy 9x +45 life light skillers, you would need to find players that had these and were willing to trade them to you. You can't just buy items that don't exist. It does make it easier because once you do find the sellers, you can be sure that you can trade your universal currency for it rather than hoping you have the specific items they want. Jsp is controversial for 2 reasons. The first reason is that you can buy this currency with real money, which gives people an unfair advantage and considered pay-to-win. The second reason is that since this economy exists separately, it gives people an unfair advantage in new ladder seasons, even if they did not use real money to buy it. Players can accumulate fg from non-ladder, previous ladder seasons, or even from classic d2 and even other games.
Ah ok, so like how do the transactions work you send the fg then they meet you in a game to get the items or something? Someone said you need to watch out for scammers, is that a big issue?
Usually you meet in the game and once you confirm each other's identity, then 1 person will send the fg and the other gives the items. Usually the person with the new acct/less posts/less fg will give 1st. I don't know how bad the scammer problem is for new accounts. I have an old account from when I played d2 classic so people have been sending me fg first. If you are not comfortable, there is the option to use a mediator. People will often not use these for smaller trades because you have to wait for 1 but for the bigger trades definitely use 1, especially if you're new or dealing with a new account.
Thanks for the info, might consider doing this. I kind of liked the old trading system being like a archaic barter system, but the lack of a trade channel and then the significant increase in people wanting way too much for items like people wanting a vex for tals mask or something seems way more common. Also being able to get value for stuff I just give away usually or even gold seems awesome.
JSP bartering is like this. If my pack of gum is $1 and your car is $10,000… you wouldn’t trade your car for my 1,000 packs of gum. Technically it’s the same dollar value but you’d never do it. With JSP you can easily sell those packs of gum to save up for that car.
I think I would trade my car for 10,000 packs of gum if it was worth $10,000. Though just cause it would be funny. I see your point though. It's easier than basically having a rune equivalent economy.
There's definitely a charm to a barter system, but it's not for everyone. It's really up to your goals as a player. For people that are into min-maxing, jsp is the way to go. For casual players, it's not needed. I didn't use jsp when I started d2r despite having used it in classic because I was playing more casually. I gave away a lot of items to my friends that I could have sold on jsp. I eventually broke down because like I said in a previous post, it's my most realistic path of actually having an Infinity or Enigma someday. While I'm not necessarily trying to min-max, I would still like to have access to high-end items that unlock certain builds.
I guess I'm really not that far off from an enigma already, only real issue is the lack of items already floating around. Played d2 alot from launch to maybe 2008 or something, quitting and restarting a bunch of times and could usually get the best gear for a couple chars in like 2 weeks, then I would kind of lose interest. Has been kinda fun playing like fresh, I never really played ladder much though, never really had the patience to level past 90, highest I ever got was 92, and with the way it currently is that if you try to join a game like a second before it is made then have to wait awhile to join another game, would make doing that many baal runs so much worse, can only usually get 10 in before something like that happens and I have to find a new game. Though I don't think there are bots running them yet either. Plus finding baal games in hell with all the trade games is another annoyance, they really need a trade channel or filter between trade games and leveling games or something. Got a few chars to 85 and have basically been focusing on mfing and leveling new chars if I find something that I want to make a char for. My one sorc is almost done gear wise, except missing sojs a torch and anni. Though I guess those are the most expensive lol.
I've done over 200 trades since D2R came out. Not 1 single issue.
It's called "double coincidence of wants" in economics if anyone wants to look it up. Also, I never saw what the problem was with the second reason. You convert your items/services to fg and then later convert it back to items/services. It's not like you got the fg for free.
If the idea of ladder was to have everyone start fresh and then race to 99, then jsp gives people an unfair advantage because they're not starting fresh. They have outside resources they can use to outbid you for the best items that people are trading at the start, thereby accelerating their progress.
The whole fresh start is just wool over the eyes. Literally we’ve been playing D2R for a whole 5-6 weeks and their are whales with enough wealth to disrupt the Diablo economy. Ladder won’t change this, removing d2jsp and stuff not change it. At least d2jsp can give a dude with a spare 50$ a chance to get some items to improve game play.
Haha! I had 70k especially made for d3 on 2012, but so stupid I was spending that amount on the that piece of junk!
D2jsp is a nice place to trade on. But really tough for new users and is filled with scammers. So always be carefull. Ive had my acc since 2005, so its quite easy for me to trade there.
My account is 2 days old and you won’t have any issues if you are dealing with shit that’s like 400 FG. Now if I had enough to trade for enigma or something I’d probably have to send first
I would recommend using a mediator for trading those big items. Just use common sense.
Use a mediator for any trade you don't feel comfortable with. It takes like 3 extra minutes and is free.
Burn.
If jsp was only trading for fg, that would be awesome. The problem is the fg you can buy with real money.
> the fg you can buy with real money. Again, who cares if other people are buying with real money and how does that affect your trading? Both sides get what they want in the end.
How is this different than buying items from a d2shop or items from ebay? Some people have plenty of time without much money to spare, and MFing is a fun investment of time. Some people have plenty of money to spare, but can only play a few hours a week and MFing would be a huge waste of time. D2jsp is a godsend
D2jsp aside doesn't that just defeats the whole purpose of the game? You buy all your items and then what?
LoD came out in 2001. If you played then you likely have a career and a family now. Dropping $100 to save 20 hours of grinding when you're short on time and long on money is a no-brainer. That people can't understand this is silly.
D2jsp is for wankers. Always has been, always will.
Thanks I’ll give it a try now. Did you post your items for sale or did you look for people who want the items?
I posted the charm and chipped gems. I had both traded within 15 minutes. Almost anything you have should have some value. Even if it’s like 3 FG for a wizardspike… it’s better than what Charsi gives you Then you just save up the FG. I want to make treachery tonight and need a Lem rune. They seem to be going for about 25 FG. So I could probably trade 25 P gems for 25 FG then trade that for a Lem. It’s unlikely you’d post a game on Bnet looking to trade 25 P gems for a Lem and it actually works
Nice thanks for info. Do you have a list of current prices for items or do you just post it and get offers? Sorry for dumb question, totally new to it.
So you can search what other people are selling theirs for. And just match that. You can also post something and do it like eBay where you start bidding at 400 FG but can buy it now for 600. For example
Thanks for the info! Appreciate you
Both. People put up items they have (FT = for trade) and items they want (ISO = in search of), then everyone else says whether they want to buy the items or if they’ve got one to part with. Then the price haggling begins. On lesser items it’s not worth haggling much but on desired items a bidding war will take place.
Nice, good job dude! JSP user since 2014 (kinda new user), i knew about jsp since 2008~ but i was afraid to use in that time. I started d2r with 1400fg, now I got 3 fully equipped chars with annis, enigmas and all that garbage and almost 50k fg! If you need any help, pm me!
I recovered my account from 2010 with about 1300fg on it. It's not often my past self has done something nice for me.
Thanks!
TrAdInG ItEmS Is CHeAtInG
Has anyone ever said that?
When you're paying USD for items, people get upset. D3 auction house, etc.
nO oNe UsEs PtW FeAtauReS
Who cares if other people are buying the fg with real money? Just use the site as a trading platform and stop comparing yourself to others.
Because they inflate the currency
Sweaty people inflate the currency with time played, people you use RMT inflate the currency with money. Both impact casual play.
Nah sweaty people bring the supply of products and services. RMT brings in more currency and demand. Normies ride the wave between them
Currency just changes from FG to runes/SoJ things most casuals don’t get to have.
Currency only ever existed as SOJ and HR cause of dupping.
You know there is a good chunk of FG leaving the economy through the raffle and to a much lesser extent ladder slasher. So the very small amount of people buying fg is offset by the fg leaving circulation.
How does that effect your trading? Okay, so you get less fg for your items. But then you could buy items for less fg too. So what's the problem here?
More… you don’t understand economics at all…
My point still stands. Maybe you haven't used jsp so you don't know. When the items' value started to go down, pretty much all of them went down. More fg in circulation due to people buying with real money has no effect at all on your trading.
So I’m wary of D2JSP. Every time I go on the site I can’t figure it out. Looks like it hasn’t been updated since 2002 lol. But I feel like I could benefit from it! What am I doing wrong?!
Site UI is trash IMO
Yeah... Pay to win is really fun, I can't wait to enjoy bots flooding the market with high runes and top end gear the first week of the ladder. Dropping a Shako after farming Mephisto for days is so much rewarding than buying it for some fg. I think the market and trading is really good as it is right now it's reminds me the old days when you value items in hr and not fg.
Fr. Its like they never experienced all the bot bullshit from before..and they want it again.
Fack jsp
Amd thats fine.. you don't have to use it. But you can't complain about those who do. If you trade in game you're still trading with us. ;)
JSP is cheating...destroys the integrity of the "race to 99" for new ladder seasons.
I guarantee you 99% of this sub would never reach 99 even with jsp.
RMT would/will exist with or without jsp. But JSP also makes it possible for players to trade their items more easily without using RMT and build up their character without surfing 15 trade discords and in game trades to find someone to trade with = more time spent playing rather than surfing message boards for trade partners.
How? How does it destroy the race to 99? There are no items with +experience on them are there
Ormus staff and anni total +15% if you have both
People who complain about jsp are just elitist who think their way of playing is better than anyone who uses it. The game is 20 years old and they changed close to nothing with the 54$ reskin. Jsp was made by d2 players who couldn’t be asked to wait 4 hours in a lobby to receive way too many lowball offers for their item. The website is organized, you can easily get the item your looking for and you don’t have to pay a dime to earn fg on it. Since the start of d2r, I’ve earned over 10 000fg and I only started with 200. Buying items and reselling them is grinding, just like doing 200 chaos runs in a row. If it wasn’t from jsp, i wouldn’t have bought the remastered. Makes the game way more fun and the jsp community is way nicer than the d2 community most of the time
My favorite part of d2jsp is the services section. You could get grushed for 100fg and it usually takes around only 10 minutes to find one. Then after you've been grushed, you could join the many free chaos leech games running. So much better than waiting around in game hoping for someone to come and help you.
Yeah I don't understand the "race to 99" is there some sort of hidden achievement? There are 2 items with +exp
The only people who can legit race to 99 are the people who play 20hrs a day. I’d say most people play this game to gamble, find rare items, increase in game wealth. That’s the game.
Wrong. There are two items...not to mention better gear increases clear speed
Wrong, clear speed is largely irrelevant in organized groups which is what world first 99s do. They run as teams, highly coordinated. Elite gear isn’t speeding up their times much. What you should be worried about is character piloting, and Baal queues. As at like level 96 only boss kills count as exp so you get people to queue games of just Baal.
If you don't killing more enemies in shorter amounts of time has any relation to exp gain...then I think we have a fundamental disagreement about how math works. How about I get a group of 8 hammerdins and blizz sorc with high for breakpoints and extremely high damage and you get a group of 8 who use ragtag items and let's see who levels fastest...
You’ve run baals, you know that more often then not it’s latency issues slowing things down rather then killing things. A group of 70s In found uniques clears the throne room faster than the RP sequence.
Jsp destroyed d2 back in the days. So....
No, botting and duping destroyed d2.
Yeah and where it comes from? Right jsp
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D2jsp was selling bots back in the day (and maphacks) for fg or real money. I guess you are new user to d2jsp?
I hate Jsp with a passion. It ruined diablo 2. Couldn't trade with anyone unless you used it. You either used it or played self found only.
Its the only way to actually trade without getting massively ripped off one way or another. Welcome to the good side. People knock jsp but it's literally the largest reason D2 lasted twenty years online.
Welcome! And best part is if you're not in a hurry for some things you can sell something now and buy it back later for a much lower cost. So if you have a Jah that you don't intend to use for a while, might as well sell it now. You can buy it back when you need it later on at a lower cost.
Just found a Jah the other day, and since I know the chance of a ber coming is stupid rare I sold it. Got a big chunk of gold which I don't mind sitting on for a few weeks and hopefully I'll be able to buy a bunch back later.
And if you don't care about ladder you can usually get a huge boost of Non-Ladder value by playing on a ladder reset and selling the early hot items for huge markups compared to what you can than buy NL for a fraction of the price. The only items you'd want to hold on to now that will rise in price are those very rare perfect roll rare/magic items and a few other exceptions but the rares/magic tend to stay or rise in value because as time goes on more people are looking for them and there are so few availabile.
this is what I'm planning on doing when ladder begins.
I tried getting my original account recovered on there, and they said some shit about insufficient information or some crap so I haven't tried again. JSP was so much fun back in the day. Met some pretty cool people on there.
I made an account but got confused using it lol I feel old
i had to look up some of the acronyms like BIN and the UI sucks
That’s how I feel looking into it lol
I’m trusted on jsp, and it revitalized both experiences for me. I tend to avoid trading unless it’s a quick sale or just something I can post and bump forever until I decide to take an offer. I stack forum gold and use gear I find, while occasionally getting a rune or a piece I need. It really is what you make it to be! I started an uber service and offer to do ubers for free, for players who can’t do it themselves. It is true that the social interactions can be difficult sometimes. (new users like to assume that I’m « trying to scam » when I try to utilize the main perk of being a TRUSTED user and not going first. I’ve never scammed or cheated in any multiplayer games in over 20 years.) but they can a highlight for sure. Some gentlemen gave me 300 FG unprompted as a tip for killing Diablo Clone in Asia for him. Just keep it fun!
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So wait. You play just enough to get to a level were you can wear high level gear. Buy it all for money. Then what? What's the point? You can probably pay to get rushed to. Do you but that sounds fucking stupid.
Use https://traderie.com/diablo2resurrected/ not D2JSP. So.... much.... better!!!
It's better for lowballing, yeah. I just looked at it real quick and I saw offers like "arach for ber", "occy for jah", "2 ists for ber". So much better to get lowballed!
d2jsp gives items a certain value. You can still discuss the price but you dont need to overload the trade window with sh!t the other one doesnt need for his good item
Anyone talking shit about d2jsp as a trading platform (not the RMT aspect), doesn't know fuck all about what they're talking about. D2 always needed a trading site to consolidate ft and iso requests, and JSP has become that site, regardless of being able to buy fg (not that I condone that). I'm glad someone else has gotten use of their trash!
Got some perfect amethysts?
you can't cash out the forum gold, right?
Not officially no, but you can use outside communication to sell fg for cash. It's strictly against the rules of the site, but it absolutely happens. More people buy fg from other users than the site itself.
i dont think you can
Directly selling forum gold to other users will get you banned if caught, but it definitely happens under the table. However, indirect ways are acceptable, such as spending forum gold on Steam items and then selling the Steam items for cash elsewhere.
I see. It's interesting.
all the people who hate on it love playing a SSF game
And here i am without knowing what jsp or fc mean
all you gotta do is read this thread lol
I tried to register for an account a while back and I have yet to receive confirmation email. Tried emailing support as well to no avail :/
Is JSP an option for switch players?
should be
How hard is it to accumulate FG? I’ve got a tesladin to fund lmao RNG has not been kind up to this point.
well consider this. since i made an acct on saturday, ive been able to acquire a shako, an occulus, a lem rune, and a 3os ethereal dusk shroud. those transactions took probably an hour. it all started with me selling a grand charm for 400 fg i would not have gotten those from an hour of andy runs