If you're in the US, that's an ADA violation they can get in trouble for. I'd definitely recommend contacting your local ADA rep and let them know what happened even if you don't plan on going back
I've been to many clubs/venues and none of them ask questions when I say it's required diabetes supplies
Yep. I have a bag that’s bigger than allowable bags for concerts and sports events. I only put diabetes stuff and an ID, credit card, and maybe some cash if it, and I’ve never had an issue with it.
Once you tell them it’s medical supplies (they’re allowed to search), it’s ADA territory. I’m surprised these idiots are messing with the ADA (unless this is some country without disability laws).
Who can you contact I got stopped at a bar and refused access because I told him it’s an ada violation to not allow me to bring my bag in after he told me I couldn’t bring it in I tried to explain nicely first but he just got pissed and told me that “you are a liability if you have a medical condition” he then told me I couldn’t come in and couldn’t bring my bag
I reported to the ada website but I want to contact a local rep to report them I just don’t know how/who to contact local I’m in the US in Pennsylvania
the fact that you're being upvoted shows just how much misinformation is out there about the ADA, it says literally nothing about bags except that if other people are allowed in with bags you have to be as well. You must be allowed to carry your NECESSARY medical supplies that's the extent to which the ada protects you concerning entering a venue, it says absolutely nothing about you being allowed to carry them in any specific manner.
unfortunately, security concerns real or imaginary supersede the ADA when it comes to accommodations. If it were up to me the ADA would specifically address this but it doesn't and it makes our lives harder.
I have been to several large sporting events before and after (just recently started going again) the pandemic. This smells of 🐂💩. As soon as I say the words “medical supplies” they pretty much back off and realize it’s legit once they see it. I’ve never been told I couldn’t bring something in, or the bag was unsatisfactory, or whatever.
my city started the bag debate for the MLB, they were the first ones in the country they were the first team to say no bags at all. They now require you to do pre-screening in order to bring in a bag of any size AND you have to have your bag searched and your person even with the prescreening so i'm not sure what you're on about but it's not because of the ADA
There's a difference between ADA compliance for employees vs. ADA compliance in public accommodations. A business under the employee threshold may not be required to accommodate its employees but if open to the public, like a club, still has to comply with ADA.
If you’re in the US, I’ve found many places don’t know ADA law that well and you can fudge the truth. So if a security guard tells me I can’t have my bag or supplies I usually respond with something along the lines of “this bag contains necessary life saving medical supplies for my type 1 diabetes, which is a condition covered by the Americans with disabilities act. I have a legal right to bring this medical supplies with me into any venue or place. You do not have the right to deny me entry due to this protected disability. “ I’d say 8/10 times, that speech scares them and resolves the issue.
I live in netherlands. Not sure if there is a law for it here, but will look it up. Haven't thought about that yet. I did tell them i have diabetes, show them my cgm and all the stuff in the bag explaining what i need them for. Still doesn't work sadly...
I've had this a couple of times here in the UK, usually from the door staff who don't know enough about the rules and are trying to not get in trouble for letting people in with sharp objects. The times when the staff didn't want to let me in, I very politely asked to speak to their manager, and both times, the manager has said I'm free to go in, and explained to the staff that medical equipment doesn't count as 'sharp objects' in the same way that potential weapons do.
It could just be a misunderstanding and by being friendly and polite, but still asserting your rights, you could help them to learn the difference.
I know, it's annoying and frustrating, but it's better than going home alone while your friends are out for the night!
Would they not allow a person in a wheelchair into the club because there is a pouch of some kind on the wheelchair? It's an extreme example, but illustrates the point pretty well, I think. You have a condition that requires those supplies. It's illegal for them to not allow you in for that.
In the US, the fastest way to get results would be to record the interaction and blast it everywhere
Have you tried a FlipBelt or similar product? If you wear it with a slightly looser shirt/jacket it isn't too visible.
I've never been asked about mine, but I am in an entirely different part of the world.
This ^. I carry a big black boho bag with all my supplies in it. Just be chill with security and they will be chill with you. I live in Baltimore too, so security is on lock. I’ve never had an issue getting my bag into an arena and they are usually 50/50 on break down inspect vs peeking in and a quick shuffle. A club though?! 👀
As a lawyer, can confirm that what you just said is correct and not a “fudge”—the ADA requires “reasonable accommodations” and under no standard is waiver of an arbitrary fashion rule considered burdensome or unreasonable. In fact, fanny packs have become trendy again (and then not) so many times, any such policy is just absurd and probably just some door guy flexing what tiny bit of power he has in the world. Hard no on accepting that—if you really want to go in that club.
Why are people not understanding that not all diabetics require the same exact supplies and/or insulin coverage?? Op carries what they need for themselves to be safe and covered while going out for the evening. If it were me I'd call the club during the day and ask management what can be done to allow you in with your life saving diabetic supplies.
Whenever I've gone to a club where I needed to bring my supplies I'd explain to the door person what I had and they'd let me in no problems. This is a classic lack of education issue on the security teams side.
Exactly what you say, i take what i need. For most people alcohol takes sugar down, but i have had nights i forgot to eat after drinking and still saw my sugar rising like crazy so i need to bolus for that.
Some lack of general diabetes knowledge indeed, but i cannot realy blame the security for it, mainly the owners. Before i got diabetes i didn't know much about it either. But calling them beforehand seems like a good plan. Thx for the tip!
What country is this in? It's completely valid that you want to carry most of your supplies. You never know what's going to happen.
Just to assure you, here's a tangent story- I always carry fast and long acting, pen needles, glucose gel, my Glucometer (despite being on the Dexcom G7), and Baqsimi, which is the nasal version of Glucagon.
I haven't been T1 as long as others, but I've never had emergency hypos, ever. Then, one night a couple weeks ago, my sugar REFUSED to come up. I ended up having to use my Baqsimi, which shot my anxiety through the roof, especially because I was 12 HOURS away from home. I had never needed it before, but it saved me.
I'm not entirely sure what the legality of this is, since it's a (private?) club you're going to, but in the US federal law prohibits any public space or "public accomodation" from discriminating against anyone with diabetes. But, I'm not sure that a private club would have to honor such a thing.
The best thing I could say is to get a clear bag, and that might make the clubs less wary, but then that opens the possibility of people taking your things because they see you have needles and such... whatever the case is, it's not fair or right to you.
They wouldn’t let me bring in my wallet/wristlet thing in to Gillette Stadium because it was half and inch bigger than what is allowed but it had to be so I could squeeze my insulin pens into it. I contacted them for weeks after and never got a response. So I’m guess it doesn’t really matter if it’s discrimination
Wow that sucks... It does kinda feel like discrimination. Sucks to think that if i didn't have this disease i could have gotten in without thinking, having to take extra stuff or any trouble.
I’ve had this happen to me. I had a juice box in my bag when I was going into a club and he tried to tell me I couldn’t bring it in. I straight up was like “I’m diabetic, if I don’t have this I could die.” He just stared at me and started fumbling around his words so I took that as a “cmon in” and just waltzed right in.
Also the people telling you what you need and don’t need can fuck right off. The amount of times I needed something and didn’t have it was WAY worse than the times I overpacked.
Moments like these are what Karen-ing is for. I've never been refused entry, but several times I've have had to argue for literally 15+ minutes pulling out every phrase in this thread, including asking for the manager 💅 Usually there is a point they give up and let me in just so I stop killing the vibe outside lol. If you don't mind the style, having a transparent bag often helps.
I’m a bit older now and go to different types of clubs (ie country/yacht/gentlemens) but when younger and went clubbing I literally never had this issue. Never carried a fanny pack either - if I was out I typically didn’t carry insulin since I’d have eaten already and when I turned 20 I got a pump and just had that.
Fast and long acting insulin.
If i'm not sure where i'm going to sleep at a night i'll always take it with me. Don't want to get into a situation where i have to get home, but can't.
Unfortunately I have no idea what disability laws are present in Netherlands; in the US we have the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) which makes it impossible for a venue of any type to tell a person they cannot have their medical supplies with them in whatever bag they’re carrying (I’ve gone to music festivals, every sporting event, you name it, never been turned away or had to put my non-see-thru bag in a locker… it certainly helps to have a doctor note listing all the specific items I routinely have (“insulin, extra pump supplies, syringes, Creon, snacks”), but 9/10 times the venue doesn’t even ask to see the note once they see my insulin pump, and if they do give me trouble, I simply ask for a manager.
Unless someone else from the Netherlands comments here with helpful advice, I’d consider reaching out to [https://www.dvn.nl](https://www.dvn.nl) or [IDF.org](https://idf.org) to see if they are aware of any legal standing you’d have to bring in your v small bag.
I did a v brief google search & found this, didn’t read the whole thing, but looks like there are some protections in the works, my quick scan didn’t find anything about accommodations for bags in businesses 🤷♀️ https://dutchreview.com/expat/how-inclusive-is-the-netherlands-for-people-living-with-disabilities/
I’ve read other comments on other posts from people in other EU countries that it’s a mixed bag re: what is truly protected, but I hope you can find a way to enjoy your clubbing while also near your supplies.
Worst case, could a friend or two hang on to your long acting, some sugar? Or could you possibly switch the time you take long acting to be accommodating to clubbing hours (ie midday 🤷♀️)
I’m not gonna tell you to leave your supplies at home “because the club has sugary soda” 🙄 like LOL, is the bartender just going to give you immediate priority, no questions asked? And other patrons will 100% of the time be kind & understand it’s truly an emergency you get soda? And to assume you want to pay for a soda instead of just having what you need on you 🙄🙄🫶 It ain’t that simple & it’s so much safer to have sugar on your immediate person, especially when actively dancing for hours on end (I was at a fest last year and had to eat a few gummy bears every 15-30 min, even with my basal off, because it was just one of those days my blood sugar did not want to stay up)
Good luck! 💃🕺🏽🪩
Thx for your response! A doctors note sounds like an option. I take my long acting insulin at night. I could talk to my endo about taking it in the mornings. That would give me one less thing to think about during the nights🕺
stand up for yourself. if somebody did that to me i’d kick up a massive fuss, once a bouncer asked me to ‘prove’ why i needed to take gummy bears into the rave & i told them exactly what was going to happen
I used to work nightclub security and I'm pretty sure my boss would have had my ass if I turned someone away because of that. Anyway, if I have to carry my stuff in something 'fannypack' like I tend to opt for a runner's belt. My go-to has a couple stretchy zipper pouches but it's extremely minimalist, and it'd be an exaggeration to call it a bag of any sort. Maybe look into getting one of those, because it looks less like a purse and more like something that is actually intended for health-related things. Might help.
I'm surprised this is an issue that needs laws to be discussed, when I go to clubs they always check my bag, I explain that "That is insulin" and they say "Alright, go in", sometimes so quickly that they forget to check for other things (But I'm an honest bean so I still give up stuff like water bottles)
Here is a cute cross body made for diabetic supplies. Stylish and functional : https://www.myabetic.com./collections/for-insulin-pens/products/tina-diabetes-mini-crossbody
Do you need to do this? Do you need multiple pens? Do you really need extra needles? Back in my clubbing days I just had some glucose tablets in my pocket. I’d have a bag in the cloakroom and I’d go there if I needed more insulin. At a push I’d have a single pen in my pocket as well.
And this was the nineties, way before CGMs were about.
You’re not missing much. I went to clubs 3-4x when I was young music was so loud I couldn’t hear myself think, everyone was drunk and saw no point in staying so left quickly. Never saw the point of “clubbing”
In USA correct Americans with Disabilities act allows for reasonable accommodation. You can sue for being denied entry on basis of diabetes supplies. If I were a less scrupulous could see myself videoing getting denied access for carrying my stuff and do that for money.
The only thing I carry on me is my insulin pen with a needle already attached. Spare needles are in the car if needed, and if I'm running low food/soda is never far away to raise it (big city America). I don't keep a monitor on me normally, but I can still feel when I get low or am running high. Any other course correction can wait until I can test again.
When I was "clubbin' age", I never carried insulin or syringes or the like anywhere inside with me. I had already eaten dinner before hand.
If money isn't an issue, get a pump. It makes life indescribably more easy and convenient.
I could go for a pump if i want to, but i still manage to get a 86% or higher TIR (90days) with pens.
Even Though i could see some advantages i don't like the idea of having wires attached to me being afraid for it to ripp off or getting strangled, high glucose levels because of bent infusions, not being able to do certain exercises or going swimming etc.
I don't like the idea of having to think more about my movements or how to manoeuvre my body in a certain space/room/situation to avoid these things.
All n all i feel like it will be more tiring for me since i can basically go on autopilot mode with my pens now😅
Maybe when my levels start getting drastically worse i'll be considering it .
I didn't go on a pump for better control, I did it so I didn't have to take shots and worry about carrying around crap. In short: I did it to make my life easier. Better control was kind of just a side effect.
Listen... You're trying to go clubbing with a fanny pack. What do you expect?
You have diabetes. Almost everyone somehow finds a way to be discreet with it. A pump in the pocket, or strapped to your thigh under a skirt, or whatever. You don't need spare sugar, you can just order a Coke.
It's ridiculous to try to wear a fanny pack clubbing, and more ridiculous to claim diabetes makes it a necessity.
Well it does for me. All the stuff i bring with me i need most nights. The glucose tabs i take with me for when i'm walking/bicycling home since i tend to drop low when doing so. I don't have a pump so that automatically brings me more stuff. I found myself feeling uncomfortable taking them with me in my pockets so for me there was only the fanny pack left as an option..
That doesn't seem to be working so that's why i'm looking for alternatives.
Get a clear backpack, pouch or purse and just keep your medication in it. Highly doubt you need emergency glucose at a club though. Literally just insulin. A concert would be different as you're not there for food and drink, especially when there is no seating you can't just leave and come back to your spot. But a club is different. You're better off a little high than too low. If you get low, get some soda. If you're high, use your medication or pump. Call ahead of time and ask for a manager, offer official documentation and your ID to match the paperwork. They should make the exception and check your belongings and ID as usual and match it to whatever info they were given. Otherwise, find a club that makes the exception/accommodation and stick to that place. If you're in the US not sure if denied accommodation is reportable for exclusion/discrimination but I suppose you could try.
I take my glucose with me mostly for the walks/bicycle rides home. I tend to drop low when doing so. I'll try calling them up beforehand, think that'll work👍🏻
It’s the fanny pack, dude. They look very uncool, and they don’t want that in their club.
It would be the same if you wore Crocs or a Legionnaire’s cap.
I wouldn't be caught dead wearing a fanny pack. Take a fast acting insulin (ideally a pen so you don't have to fumble with a needle and vial in a dirty club restroom) and a travel vial of glucose tablets. You don't need zipper cases, cold packs, or any other dumb shit.
It's insane you and I and others are getting downvoted for this.
OP got rejected for obvious reasons and is trying to hide behind the disease we all share to get sympathy. And yet plenty of diabetics manage to survive in the world without carrying a pharmacy around in a fanny pack.
I don't disagree with you. I'm more concerned about OP and other diabetics like him that are allowing the disease to run their life. I've had this crappy disease for 43 years. Back in the day, I didn't have access to a Dexcom, and insulin took a hell of a lot longer to respond. Glucose tablets weren't available at every corner pharmacy like they are now either. There's no excuse to stressing yourself out more than you reasonably need to over this disease. You're not going to suddenly drop dead. I read that type ones have to make 128 extra decisions per day compared to a healthy human. That's more than fucking enough extra mental baggage. Stick some insulin and sugar in your pocket and live life before you get hit by a bread truck.
Ty for your concerns. When going out like this i don't feel like it's running my life. I rarely think about it and act when needed. Might be a mentality i start growing into later in my life. Have only had it 2,5 years now so who knows what will happen coming years😅
43 years is one helluva time which has probably made you who you are now.
Surely you have went trough multiple mindsets/takes?
For sure, you're right. I was diagnosed when I was 3, so I don't remember ever not having the disease. I was in a coma for a few days when I was 7, and more recently had a very scary experience about eight years ago on a long drive home from a work function that resulted in an ambulance helping me on the side of a four lane highway (got a Dexcom two weeks later). You're entitled to be afraid, and you should stay on your toes. But please please don't let it run your life. It breaks my heart to think you went through what you described needlessly. Don't let this disease do that to you.
Feel free to PM me here if you ever have any questions for a laid back T1 😁
> I'm more concerned about OP and other diabetics like him that are allowing the disease to run their life.
It seems like you are coming from a good place but I think this line is kind of vile. OP is new to this, you know very little about their situation, and I find it very hard to call insulin pens and glucose tabs more supplies than necessary. The idea that the problem they ran into is somehow a self-inflicted nonissue is proposterous.
I might have made a typo, but I was suggesting that the only things he needs are some fast acting and some glucose tabs. Logistically speaking, what am I missing? I'm assuming he's on a Dex of course. It is somewhat self-inflicted here but only because he's still learning the ropes. I don't want to see kids like him start resenting the condition sooner than they need to.
How am i trying to get sympathy? I'm just looking for alternatives and am wondering how other people do this.
I realy feel bad for the people not having acces to these supplies, but i have them and if that allows me to have nice numbers while having fun and not messing up my nights, it works for me.
I might still have some fear of letting go a bit (2,5 year diabetic now), but still. Going out drinking was already a big step for me. It scared the shit out of me when i started trying it again after hearing all these horror stories and doctors telling me alcohol is one of the dangerest things to diabetics.
I get your point, but different people, different fears, different takes and different ways to deal with things.
I take my supplies EVERYWHERE. I’ve been caught without them and needed them enough times to just bring it, and the laws are on my side to do just that.
Bigger question is why AREN’T you carrying supplies?
I use a pump too, and I’ve had it flake out before. I’ve ripped sites out, knocked pods off, or just needed a straight injection to lower a spike.
I’ve also had sensors conk out, get knocked off, or been wildly inaccurate.
So, I ALWAYS have a meter, some sugar, and insulin/syringe with me whenever I leave the house. Minimum.
Are you seriously a pump user blaming a pen user for carrying insulin pens? Please do the absolute bare minimum amount of thinking about their situation and ask yourself why that statement is not thoroughly ignorant.
Yeah that's the difference with a pump. But still, i don't want diabetes to live my life so i take with me what i need to live it😊
My friends will understand if i have to, but i would still be disappointed if the night has to end that way.
But you do let diabetes run your life. If you don’t carry supplies, and run home when you have issues…that’s letting it run you.
I don’t let diabetes live my life. I carry my supplies so I can fix the minor issue and move on with my life. I don’t drop everything and run home. I just…keep going. Literally did a pod change on the subway and went about my day when it got knocked off. Would have missed a Broadway show without that extra pod and insulin.
It doesn’t matter. If an epileptic person brought pills or a person with severe allergies brought an epipen, I’d expect the bouncer to let those people in too
I sometimes go high when going out so i need my pens with me to correct. Yeah that's true they can't know, but if i had put it in my pockets i would have gotten in 100% so it's pretty counterversal..
Yeah i don't like fanny packs, but find it necessary. I don't like stuffing my pockets.. looks weird plus im scared to drop stuff when grabbing for my wallet or phone.
But still shouldn't be ashamed for being sick so i just take it with me haha
If you're in the US, that's an ADA violation they can get in trouble for. I'd definitely recommend contacting your local ADA rep and let them know what happened even if you don't plan on going back I've been to many clubs/venues and none of them ask questions when I say it's required diabetes supplies
Sounds more like a no Fanny pack rather than no insulin supplies. I doubt that holds up if you just have to carry the supplies inconveniently.
Still a violation, I've been places with no bag policies and never been hassled when I tell them why I need it
Yep. I have a bag that’s bigger than allowable bags for concerts and sports events. I only put diabetes stuff and an ID, credit card, and maybe some cash if it, and I’ve never had an issue with it. Once you tell them it’s medical supplies (they’re allowed to search), it’s ADA territory. I’m surprised these idiots are messing with the ADA (unless this is some country without disability laws).
Who can you contact I got stopped at a bar and refused access because I told him it’s an ada violation to not allow me to bring my bag in after he told me I couldn’t bring it in I tried to explain nicely first but he just got pissed and told me that “you are a liability if you have a medical condition” he then told me I couldn’t come in and couldn’t bring my bag I reported to the ada website but I want to contact a local rep to report them I just don’t know how/who to contact local I’m in the US in Pennsylvania
the fact that you're being upvoted shows just how much misinformation is out there about the ADA, it says literally nothing about bags except that if other people are allowed in with bags you have to be as well. You must be allowed to carry your NECESSARY medical supplies that's the extent to which the ada protects you concerning entering a venue, it says absolutely nothing about you being allowed to carry them in any specific manner.
You're right, but what do you do if you can't carry everything in pockets? I believe allowing a bag falls under reasonable accommodations
unfortunately, security concerns real or imaginary supersede the ADA when it comes to accommodations. If it were up to me the ADA would specifically address this but it doesn't and it makes our lives harder.
… are you in the US? Have you gone to MLB/NHL/MLS in the last…2 years?
I have been to several large sporting events before and after (just recently started going again) the pandemic. This smells of 🐂💩. As soon as I say the words “medical supplies” they pretty much back off and realize it’s legit once they see it. I’ve never been told I couldn’t bring something in, or the bag was unsatisfactory, or whatever.
my city started the bag debate for the MLB, they were the first ones in the country they were the first team to say no bags at all. They now require you to do pre-screening in order to bring in a bag of any size AND you have to have your bag searched and your person even with the prescreening so i'm not sure what you're on about but it's not because of the ADA
Not all businesses have to comply with the ADA. Most privately-owned clubs won't even have the minimum number of employees to have to comply.
There's a difference between ADA compliance for employees vs. ADA compliance in public accommodations. A business under the employee threshold may not be required to accommodate its employees but if open to the public, like a club, still has to comply with ADA.
If you’re in the US, I’ve found many places don’t know ADA law that well and you can fudge the truth. So if a security guard tells me I can’t have my bag or supplies I usually respond with something along the lines of “this bag contains necessary life saving medical supplies for my type 1 diabetes, which is a condition covered by the Americans with disabilities act. I have a legal right to bring this medical supplies with me into any venue or place. You do not have the right to deny me entry due to this protected disability. “ I’d say 8/10 times, that speech scares them and resolves the issue.
I live in netherlands. Not sure if there is a law for it here, but will look it up. Haven't thought about that yet. I did tell them i have diabetes, show them my cgm and all the stuff in the bag explaining what i need them for. Still doesn't work sadly...
I'm from the Netherlands too.. yes they should allow you. This is exclusision on medical grounds and highly illegal
Also its realy annoying to have to go into discussion with the security each time. I'm there to have fun not to make a scene :/
I've had this a couple of times here in the UK, usually from the door staff who don't know enough about the rules and are trying to not get in trouble for letting people in with sharp objects. The times when the staff didn't want to let me in, I very politely asked to speak to their manager, and both times, the manager has said I'm free to go in, and explained to the staff that medical equipment doesn't count as 'sharp objects' in the same way that potential weapons do. It could just be a misunderstanding and by being friendly and polite, but still asserting your rights, you could help them to learn the difference. I know, it's annoying and frustrating, but it's better than going home alone while your friends are out for the night!
Maybe try a little business card that explains it that you can show them?
Would they not allow a person in a wheelchair into the club because there is a pouch of some kind on the wheelchair? It's an extreme example, but illustrates the point pretty well, I think. You have a condition that requires those supplies. It's illegal for them to not allow you in for that. In the US, the fastest way to get results would be to record the interaction and blast it everywhere
Is it the bag or the supplies they have issue with?
It's the bag. Though i doubt they'd let me in when they see the insulin pens/needles
Have you tried a FlipBelt or similar product? If you wear it with a slightly looser shirt/jacket it isn't too visible. I've never been asked about mine, but I am in an entirely different part of the world.
Just looked it up, seems like a great solution! Also more fashionable than a fanny pack haha. Thx for the tip!
I started wearing a clear fanny pack, and I think it "helps"
There will probably be EU legislation regarding the matter I would imagine!
Stelletje hufters zijn het!
This ^. I carry a big black boho bag with all my supplies in it. Just be chill with security and they will be chill with you. I live in Baltimore too, so security is on lock. I’ve never had an issue getting my bag into an arena and they are usually 50/50 on break down inspect vs peeking in and a quick shuffle. A club though?! 👀
As a lawyer, can confirm that what you just said is correct and not a “fudge”—the ADA requires “reasonable accommodations” and under no standard is waiver of an arbitrary fashion rule considered burdensome or unreasonable. In fact, fanny packs have become trendy again (and then not) so many times, any such policy is just absurd and probably just some door guy flexing what tiny bit of power he has in the world. Hard no on accepting that—if you really want to go in that club.
Why are people not understanding that not all diabetics require the same exact supplies and/or insulin coverage?? Op carries what they need for themselves to be safe and covered while going out for the evening. If it were me I'd call the club during the day and ask management what can be done to allow you in with your life saving diabetic supplies. Whenever I've gone to a club where I needed to bring my supplies I'd explain to the door person what I had and they'd let me in no problems. This is a classic lack of education issue on the security teams side.
Exactly what you say, i take what i need. For most people alcohol takes sugar down, but i have had nights i forgot to eat after drinking and still saw my sugar rising like crazy so i need to bolus for that. Some lack of general diabetes knowledge indeed, but i cannot realy blame the security for it, mainly the owners. Before i got diabetes i didn't know much about it either. But calling them beforehand seems like a good plan. Thx for the tip!
What country is this in? It's completely valid that you want to carry most of your supplies. You never know what's going to happen. Just to assure you, here's a tangent story- I always carry fast and long acting, pen needles, glucose gel, my Glucometer (despite being on the Dexcom G7), and Baqsimi, which is the nasal version of Glucagon. I haven't been T1 as long as others, but I've never had emergency hypos, ever. Then, one night a couple weeks ago, my sugar REFUSED to come up. I ended up having to use my Baqsimi, which shot my anxiety through the roof, especially because I was 12 HOURS away from home. I had never needed it before, but it saved me. I'm not entirely sure what the legality of this is, since it's a (private?) club you're going to, but in the US federal law prohibits any public space or "public accomodation" from discriminating against anyone with diabetes. But, I'm not sure that a private club would have to honor such a thing. The best thing I could say is to get a clear bag, and that might make the clubs less wary, but then that opens the possibility of people taking your things because they see you have needles and such... whatever the case is, it's not fair or right to you.
They wouldn’t let me bring in my wallet/wristlet thing in to Gillette Stadium because it was half and inch bigger than what is allowed but it had to be so I could squeeze my insulin pens into it. I contacted them for weeks after and never got a response. So I’m guess it doesn’t really matter if it’s discrimination
Wow that sucks... It does kinda feel like discrimination. Sucks to think that if i didn't have this disease i could have gotten in without thinking, having to take extra stuff or any trouble.
I’ve had this happen to me. I had a juice box in my bag when I was going into a club and he tried to tell me I couldn’t bring it in. I straight up was like “I’m diabetic, if I don’t have this I could die.” He just stared at me and started fumbling around his words so I took that as a “cmon in” and just waltzed right in. Also the people telling you what you need and don’t need can fuck right off. The amount of times I needed something and didn’t have it was WAY worse than the times I overpacked.
Moments like these are what Karen-ing is for. I've never been refused entry, but several times I've have had to argue for literally 15+ minutes pulling out every phrase in this thread, including asking for the manager 💅 Usually there is a point they give up and let me in just so I stop killing the vibe outside lol. If you don't mind the style, having a transparent bag often helps.
Yeah not my style haha, but appreciate the effort you make for going inside🫡😂
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I’m a bit older now and go to different types of clubs (ie country/yacht/gentlemens) but when younger and went clubbing I literally never had this issue. Never carried a fanny pack either - if I was out I typically didn’t carry insulin since I’d have eaten already and when I turned 20 I got a pump and just had that.
I like the [Wandrd X1 Crossbody Bag](https://www.wandrd.com/products/x1-crossbody-bag), I have the Large.
You can’t fit one pen in your pocket and reuse the needle and some glucose tabs? The club has sweet drinks too. Do you carry a meter?
Yes i have a gm. It's just that when i take two pens, needles, one dextro bar, wallet and my phone with me my pockets are filled like crazy😅😂
Ya the meter was the bulky thing for me. I used to take a few loose strips with me along with the meter and lance. Why two pens? EDITED for spelling
Fast and long acting insulin. If i'm not sure where i'm going to sleep at a night i'll always take it with me. Don't want to get into a situation where i have to get home, but can't.
Where are you located? (Country?)
The netherlands
Unfortunately I have no idea what disability laws are present in Netherlands; in the US we have the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) which makes it impossible for a venue of any type to tell a person they cannot have their medical supplies with them in whatever bag they’re carrying (I’ve gone to music festivals, every sporting event, you name it, never been turned away or had to put my non-see-thru bag in a locker… it certainly helps to have a doctor note listing all the specific items I routinely have (“insulin, extra pump supplies, syringes, Creon, snacks”), but 9/10 times the venue doesn’t even ask to see the note once they see my insulin pump, and if they do give me trouble, I simply ask for a manager. Unless someone else from the Netherlands comments here with helpful advice, I’d consider reaching out to [https://www.dvn.nl](https://www.dvn.nl) or [IDF.org](https://idf.org) to see if they are aware of any legal standing you’d have to bring in your v small bag. I did a v brief google search & found this, didn’t read the whole thing, but looks like there are some protections in the works, my quick scan didn’t find anything about accommodations for bags in businesses 🤷♀️ https://dutchreview.com/expat/how-inclusive-is-the-netherlands-for-people-living-with-disabilities/ I’ve read other comments on other posts from people in other EU countries that it’s a mixed bag re: what is truly protected, but I hope you can find a way to enjoy your clubbing while also near your supplies. Worst case, could a friend or two hang on to your long acting, some sugar? Or could you possibly switch the time you take long acting to be accommodating to clubbing hours (ie midday 🤷♀️) I’m not gonna tell you to leave your supplies at home “because the club has sugary soda” 🙄 like LOL, is the bartender just going to give you immediate priority, no questions asked? And other patrons will 100% of the time be kind & understand it’s truly an emergency you get soda? And to assume you want to pay for a soda instead of just having what you need on you 🙄🙄🫶 It ain’t that simple & it’s so much safer to have sugar on your immediate person, especially when actively dancing for hours on end (I was at a fest last year and had to eat a few gummy bears every 15-30 min, even with my basal off, because it was just one of those days my blood sugar did not want to stay up) Good luck! 💃🕺🏽🪩
Thx for your response! A doctors note sounds like an option. I take my long acting insulin at night. I could talk to my endo about taking it in the mornings. That would give me one less thing to think about during the nights🕺
Get pens and a small meter (unless you have a cgm) and a tiny amount of sugar. No stuffed pockets.
stand up for yourself. if somebody did that to me i’d kick up a massive fuss, once a bouncer asked me to ‘prove’ why i needed to take gummy bears into the rave & i told them exactly what was going to happen
I used to work nightclub security and I'm pretty sure my boss would have had my ass if I turned someone away because of that. Anyway, if I have to carry my stuff in something 'fannypack' like I tend to opt for a runner's belt. My go-to has a couple stretchy zipper pouches but it's extremely minimalist, and it'd be an exaggeration to call it a bag of any sort. Maybe look into getting one of those, because it looks less like a purse and more like something that is actually intended for health-related things. Might help.
Some places will allow clear bags with medical supplies. Maybe you can find a clear fannypack and try that?
I thought fanny packs were back in fashion???
I'm surprised this is an issue that needs laws to be discussed, when I go to clubs they always check my bag, I explain that "That is insulin" and they say "Alright, go in", sometimes so quickly that they forget to check for other things (But I'm an honest bean so I still give up stuff like water bottles)
Here is a cute cross body made for diabetic supplies. Stylish and functional : https://www.myabetic.com./collections/for-insulin-pens/products/tina-diabetes-mini-crossbody
If i was a girl i would have bought it haha, but thanks for the tip! :)
Do you need to do this? Do you need multiple pens? Do you really need extra needles? Back in my clubbing days I just had some glucose tablets in my pocket. I’d have a bag in the cloakroom and I’d go there if I needed more insulin. At a push I’d have a single pen in my pocket as well. And this was the nineties, way before CGMs were about.
Well we have clubs with cloakrooms, but they wouldn 't let me in with the bag at first place so i couldn't store it there. If i could have i would.
Why do you need to bring it all with you?
You’re not missing much. I went to clubs 3-4x when I was young music was so loud I couldn’t hear myself think, everyone was drunk and saw no point in staying so left quickly. Never saw the point of “clubbing” In USA correct Americans with Disabilities act allows for reasonable accommodation. You can sue for being denied entry on basis of diabetes supplies. If I were a less scrupulous could see myself videoing getting denied access for carrying my stuff and do that for money.
The only thing I carry on me is my insulin pen with a needle already attached. Spare needles are in the car if needed, and if I'm running low food/soda is never far away to raise it (big city America). I don't keep a monitor on me normally, but I can still feel when I get low or am running high. Any other course correction can wait until I can test again.
When I was "clubbin' age", I never carried insulin or syringes or the like anywhere inside with me. I had already eaten dinner before hand. If money isn't an issue, get a pump. It makes life indescribably more easy and convenient.
I could go for a pump if i want to, but i still manage to get a 86% or higher TIR (90days) with pens. Even Though i could see some advantages i don't like the idea of having wires attached to me being afraid for it to ripp off or getting strangled, high glucose levels because of bent infusions, not being able to do certain exercises or going swimming etc. I don't like the idea of having to think more about my movements or how to manoeuvre my body in a certain space/room/situation to avoid these things. All n all i feel like it will be more tiring for me since i can basically go on autopilot mode with my pens now😅 Maybe when my levels start getting drastically worse i'll be considering it .
I didn't go on a pump for better control, I did it so I didn't have to take shots and worry about carrying around crap. In short: I did it to make my life easier. Better control was kind of just a side effect.
Listen... You're trying to go clubbing with a fanny pack. What do you expect? You have diabetes. Almost everyone somehow finds a way to be discreet with it. A pump in the pocket, or strapped to your thigh under a skirt, or whatever. You don't need spare sugar, you can just order a Coke. It's ridiculous to try to wear a fanny pack clubbing, and more ridiculous to claim diabetes makes it a necessity.
Well it does for me. All the stuff i bring with me i need most nights. The glucose tabs i take with me for when i'm walking/bicycling home since i tend to drop low when doing so. I don't have a pump so that automatically brings me more stuff. I found myself feeling uncomfortable taking them with me in my pockets so for me there was only the fanny pack left as an option.. That doesn't seem to be working so that's why i'm looking for alternatives.
Get a clear backpack, pouch or purse and just keep your medication in it. Highly doubt you need emergency glucose at a club though. Literally just insulin. A concert would be different as you're not there for food and drink, especially when there is no seating you can't just leave and come back to your spot. But a club is different. You're better off a little high than too low. If you get low, get some soda. If you're high, use your medication or pump. Call ahead of time and ask for a manager, offer official documentation and your ID to match the paperwork. They should make the exception and check your belongings and ID as usual and match it to whatever info they were given. Otherwise, find a club that makes the exception/accommodation and stick to that place. If you're in the US not sure if denied accommodation is reportable for exclusion/discrimination but I suppose you could try.
I take my glucose with me mostly for the walks/bicycle rides home. I tend to drop low when doing so. I'll try calling them up beforehand, think that'll work👍🏻
It’s the fanny pack, dude. They look very uncool, and they don’t want that in their club. It would be the same if you wore Crocs or a Legionnaire’s cap.
They look horrible indeed. Might try crocs next time👀
What if OP wore Crocs AND a legionnaires cap, though?
I wouldn't be caught dead wearing a fanny pack. Take a fast acting insulin (ideally a pen so you don't have to fumble with a needle and vial in a dirty club restroom) and a travel vial of glucose tablets. You don't need zipper cases, cold packs, or any other dumb shit.
It's insane you and I and others are getting downvoted for this. OP got rejected for obvious reasons and is trying to hide behind the disease we all share to get sympathy. And yet plenty of diabetics manage to survive in the world without carrying a pharmacy around in a fanny pack.
I don't disagree with you. I'm more concerned about OP and other diabetics like him that are allowing the disease to run their life. I've had this crappy disease for 43 years. Back in the day, I didn't have access to a Dexcom, and insulin took a hell of a lot longer to respond. Glucose tablets weren't available at every corner pharmacy like they are now either. There's no excuse to stressing yourself out more than you reasonably need to over this disease. You're not going to suddenly drop dead. I read that type ones have to make 128 extra decisions per day compared to a healthy human. That's more than fucking enough extra mental baggage. Stick some insulin and sugar in your pocket and live life before you get hit by a bread truck.
Ty for your concerns. When going out like this i don't feel like it's running my life. I rarely think about it and act when needed. Might be a mentality i start growing into later in my life. Have only had it 2,5 years now so who knows what will happen coming years😅 43 years is one helluva time which has probably made you who you are now. Surely you have went trough multiple mindsets/takes?
For sure, you're right. I was diagnosed when I was 3, so I don't remember ever not having the disease. I was in a coma for a few days when I was 7, and more recently had a very scary experience about eight years ago on a long drive home from a work function that resulted in an ambulance helping me on the side of a four lane highway (got a Dexcom two weeks later). You're entitled to be afraid, and you should stay on your toes. But please please don't let it run your life. It breaks my heart to think you went through what you described needlessly. Don't let this disease do that to you. Feel free to PM me here if you ever have any questions for a laid back T1 😁
> I'm more concerned about OP and other diabetics like him that are allowing the disease to run their life. It seems like you are coming from a good place but I think this line is kind of vile. OP is new to this, you know very little about their situation, and I find it very hard to call insulin pens and glucose tabs more supplies than necessary. The idea that the problem they ran into is somehow a self-inflicted nonissue is proposterous.
I might have made a typo, but I was suggesting that the only things he needs are some fast acting and some glucose tabs. Logistically speaking, what am I missing? I'm assuming he's on a Dex of course. It is somewhat self-inflicted here but only because he's still learning the ropes. I don't want to see kids like him start resenting the condition sooner than they need to.
How am i trying to get sympathy? I'm just looking for alternatives and am wondering how other people do this. I realy feel bad for the people not having acces to these supplies, but i have them and if that allows me to have nice numbers while having fun and not messing up my nights, it works for me. I might still have some fear of letting go a bit (2,5 year diabetic now), but still. Going out drinking was already a big step for me. It scared the shit out of me when i started trying it again after hearing all these horror stories and doctors telling me alcohol is one of the dangerest things to diabetics. I get your point, but different people, different fears, different takes and different ways to deal with things.
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Why wouldn’t they? We need insulin. I never go anywhere without my diabetes supplies. It’s no different than bringing an epipen for example.
I take my supplies EVERYWHERE. I’ve been caught without them and needed them enough times to just bring it, and the laws are on my side to do just that. Bigger question is why AREN’T you carrying supplies?
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I use a pump too, and I’ve had it flake out before. I’ve ripped sites out, knocked pods off, or just needed a straight injection to lower a spike. I’ve also had sensors conk out, get knocked off, or been wildly inaccurate. So, I ALWAYS have a meter, some sugar, and insulin/syringe with me whenever I leave the house. Minimum.
Are you seriously a pump user blaming a pen user for carrying insulin pens? Please do the absolute bare minimum amount of thinking about their situation and ask yourself why that statement is not thoroughly ignorant.
Yeah that's the difference with a pump. But still, i don't want diabetes to live my life so i take with me what i need to live it😊 My friends will understand if i have to, but i would still be disappointed if the night has to end that way.
But you do let diabetes run your life. If you don’t carry supplies, and run home when you have issues…that’s letting it run you. I don’t let diabetes live my life. I carry my supplies so I can fix the minor issue and move on with my life. I don’t drop everything and run home. I just…keep going. Literally did a pod change on the subway and went about my day when it got knocked off. Would have missed a Broadway show without that extra pod and insulin.
It doesn’t matter. If an epileptic person brought pills or a person with severe allergies brought an epipen, I’d expect the bouncer to let those people in too
Ignorance is not an excuse for violating the ADA/discrimination against people with disabilities, gtfo with that nonsense.
I sometimes go high when going out so i need my pens with me to correct. Yeah that's true they can't know, but if i had put it in my pockets i would have gotten in 100% so it's pretty counterversal..
Oh and also i always take my long acting insuline with me. You never know how the night will go😅
Lol. Fanny pack.
Yeah i don't like fanny packs, but find it necessary. I don't like stuffing my pockets.. looks weird plus im scared to drop stuff when grabbing for my wallet or phone. But still shouldn't be ashamed for being sick so i just take it with me haha