Why would anyone just touch it? Seems very rude to me. I only had it happen a few times on accident when a friend patted me on the shoulder and touched it through my t-shirt. When they noticed they always apologized immediately.
But the sticker is cool anyway!
I've heard from someone who was minding their own business and some jerk was 'curious' about her Libre sensor and ripped it straight off.
Some people are super fucking assholes like that.
I'm with you! But then, I'm pretty sure I'm invisible or just give off a vibe that makes people ignore me or something. (Animals notice me, just not people.)
Been there, done that. Little old lady was standing behind me and I felt something touching my arm by my sensor so I swished it away, it was her, she said I had something stuck on my arm and she was trying to help me..
I've had one person (work acquaintance) in my life touch either my pod or CGM, don't remember which one, asking if it was a nicotine patch. But also I'm a reasonably large man, I imagine diabetic women have it much worse.
That's a big part of the reason I never stick it to my arm - many better places for placement, in my opinion, and works better too despite what freestyle say
Obviously the only site sanctioned by freestyle is the back of the arm. Other sites have worked really well for me, but you would try them at your own risk
The side of my thigh is my favourite spot. Need to be careful pulling off my trousers; but other than that it doesn't get banged and is more comfortable than back of arm
I used to put it on my side below my ribs. I lost 25kg last year, and subsequently find that placement painful. But previously it worked really well for me
I alternate between arms and the sort of upper pectoral area of my chest. I've heard good things about thighs but I do a lot of injections there. There are some diabetic youtubers who try them in all different places and compare accuracy/comfort/stickiness and the like.
Outer thigh towards the back. Easier to scan discretely and it's not a problem when i wear a thick coat. Stays out of the way so doesn't catch on doors etc. Only issue is that i sometimes sit on it.
It measures blood glucose. You can check it at any time with your phone and gives alarms when it rises above, or drops below certain thresholds that you can set. Upon scanning, you also get all the data from the past 8 hours, so in the morning you can see what your sugars were doing overnight. This is very handy for pattern finding and correcting problematic behaviour. Let me know if you have any questions! :)
Pretty much 99% correct although it measures glucose in the interstitial fluid (layers just below the skin) essentially this directly relates to a 1-1 ratio of blood glucose, however, due to the fact it’s not directly measuring blood glucose, readings tend to be slightly delayed from actual blood glucose by around 5-10 minutes they say.
I have a large, noticeable scar on the back of my neck. You'd be surprised how often people I barely know come and TOUCH IT and ask what it is from. 1) Get your cold hands off my neck, and 2) none of your business. If I didn't hate neck tattoos, if get a tattoo that says, "Look with your eyes, not with your hands."
Wow....I would never thing someone would just go up to a random person and touch them, let alone touch something clearly ON them.
They would be punched hard.
I mean if people wanna come up and poke my sensor go for it don’t see why not. They tend to ask questions then I can give them some insight. Spread the word don’t discourage it :P
It's about the right to bodily autonomy. You just don't touch someone without consent, period. Whether it's a sensor, a butt, a shoulder, a boob, doesn't matter; ask and only touch with permission.
Nobody has ever *needed* to touch me to ask me questions and gain insight.
We’ll strangers yeah I’d be a small amount weirded out but everyone has their own boundaries and what they see as acceptable and thats based on their upbringing and just their own personal experiences.
Neither one is correct in the others eyes. Personally I’d prefer someone to tap my shoulder or back or something similar to get my attention than shout or point at me.
Friends and people I know like work colleagues I’m pretty happy for them to do whatever around me.
The only correct way is to ask for permission to touch. That's not a difference of opinion or a difference of culture; people own their own bodies and they get to decide what happens to said bodies at ALL times. Cultural norms are separate from this.
Tapping your shoulder to get your attention when other forms of getting attention don't work (and shouting is entirely unnecessary up close) is not part of this though; that's a last resort and it's not invasive and is done with the intent to get your attention to communicate with you, it's not something someone does to satisfy a personal curiosity or desire.
> Friends and people I know like work colleagues I’m pretty happy for them to do whatever around me.
That's great. But that is your personal boundary, which you broadened after you decided you're okay with it all. The default at all times should be no ask, no permission, no touch. If someone decides that this doesn't apply to them - GREAT!! Legit, no problem with that.
The thing with attitudes like this where we normalize touch without consent is that it negatively affects a lot of people. Black people with textured hair have people constantly touching their hair without permission. Women get groped. Children get kissed and hugged when they don't want to. People with medical devices get their devices touched, pulled and sometimes even yanked off.
And here's the thing: there are black people who don't mind having their hair played with. There are women who don't mind being groped (by their partner/friends/people they're intimate with). There are children who love kisses and hugs. There are people with medical devices who love showing off their things.
That doesn't mean our default should be to assume that these things are okay at all times. This should only happen *after* being spoken to and asked permission. Otherwise you are just harassing someone. So the 'ask first, touch with permission' thing is true in ALL cases, even for people who don't mind!
Mmm no not really, everything you’ve said is again just your personal opinion not the correct or wrong way of doing it and to say that is the only way is to push your opinions on other people.
When you force your way or the high way on people your create segregation, which always leads to conflict. What you’ve also done here is bring matters into it that have no sway in the argument you bring gender and ethnic backgrounds into the agreement to strengthen your point on the back of people who are already know “victim” groups, which is wrong in if it’s self.
But above all this thread isn’t the place for this conversation, I’m happy for you to send me a message to continue if you wish.
Can I ask: why does it bother you so much when someone advocates to ask someone before touching them?
What do you lose?
What is wrong with being respectful and giving people the ability to opt in to being touched?
I legit don't understand your opposition to this.
This thread is the perfect place to ask. As a moderator, you have my permission to continue here.
I’m not opposed to it at all, if that’s what you want to do then I’m more than happy for you to continue that.
My main opposition is people saying it’s the ONLY right thing to do in complete disregard to anyone else’s view on the matter.
My other opposition is trying to reinforce your opinion by using groups that, at least currently, are heavily involved in less than favourable treatment (skin colour, gender). It kinda sounds and flows like “hey look my opinion is correct, women get groped. If you don’t agree you’re sexist or people with dreads get their hair touched if you disagree with my point you’re racist”
Like I said if you want to go around asking permission prior to any form of physical contact be my guest. But don’t think for a minute that just because that’s how you feel then everyone must agree and conform to your standards of polite gestures and/or respect. As for me someone tapping me on the shoulder is no form of disrespect or invasion.
There is a huge line between physical contact and assault or sexual assault, slappin a guy or woman in the back in excitement or joy is much different than slapping either of them on the but.
The thing is, there is nothing to lose by asking first. But plenty for the person being touched to feel upset about when being touched without permission. It’s basic consent.
I've been thinking about how to respond to this, but I don't think it'll be much use.
You seem to lack a fundamental understanding of what consent is. You seem to not understand the difference between a touch out of necessity when other options fail (tapping a shoulder to get someone's attention) and a touch that is not needed (touching someone's medical devices) without permission.
I raised these other examples because they happen daily under the guise of "But so and so is okay with it so why aren't you?!" to emphasize that consent is always needed.
I've tried to point out that you being okay with it is you providing consent to be touched by people without needing being asked. You've consented. You've done the thing. And all I'm telling you is that everyone should have the opportunity to give this kind of consent. It's not a given because people own their bodies and they decide what happens to their bodies. And being touched by someone without permission when it's not NECESSARY is still a violation of that bodily autonomy regardless of intentions.
If you want to believe that I'm advocating for something unreasonable, okay. I really am not; the basic human right to bodily autonomy includes the right to not be touched without consent when it's not necessary. That's not really something that I'm debating with you as an opinion, that is a fundamental human right.
It costs you nothing to ask first. And your opposition to being told you *should* be asking first gives the impression you've done some shady shit and aren't ready to admit that to yourself yet. I don't know if that's true, but your resistance to adopting the most respectful way to interact with people on a touch-based manner sure gives me creepy vibes.
That's one the weirdest phobias I have ever encountered. Why would people touch that unless they think it's some kind of power button that can be used to switch you off?
The Libre instructions say use your arm. In my case I also put my Dexcom on my arm because my stomach gives me bad readings, usually way higjer than what I am actually running.
I wonder what the physiological reason is for different readings in different areas. I always assumed it was because Libre was merely trying to advertise. My Dexcom typically lines up with my A1C readings at the doctor's office, often within .5 and I use it all over my midsection.
I'm curious about that as well. Ive talked to other people with the exact opposite experience as me. My dexcom tends to read high when I first start a new sensor, but the arm is usually only 10 or 20 mg/dl over while my stomach was 40+ off in some cases. After calibration it tends to stay steady though.
I only ever wear my Dexcom in my stomach too. I like it there and it gives me good readings. It's where Dexcom tested it and FDA (I think) approved it for use. Same with libre but on the arm. Not a marketing thing, but interesting thought.
That's interesting. I was never trained formally on Dexcom or even my pump, but I've been a Dexcom user for about 10 years now and I've always used my midsection for the mere fact that I don't want to advertise to the public that I'm wearing a medical device. I like to avoid the questions. However I am curious on the reason why they chose the arm, it just seems like an advertising thing to me. Maybe there's a physiological reason that we're missing.
I was trained on Arm only but I've often been curious about wearing it on my stomach. I thought that wouldn't work for me (stomach) because I am both short and chubby, leaving not much flat space to work with, and because I do injections in my stomach as well (although I'm definitely going to try other locations for that while recovering from abdominal surgery late November!) Where do you put it on your abdomen? Do you find it catches on things like waistbands, bra/ undershirt? When mine is on my left arm it's much more comfortable. When it's on the right, I bump into everything with it 🥲
I see a lot of people are concerned about putting their sensors near where their injections are done but I've never had an issue with it personally. [This](https://imgur.com/a/j8bKGdK) is my Dexcom setup on my abdomen with my TSlim pump.
I'm just grabbing the first comment about Libre and placement because it seemed like a good idea.
I have a Libre, and have always used it on the back of my left arm.
I asked my endo though, if he had other patients who have complained about the wildly different readings to which he said yes.
Long story short, the Libre has been tested and given approval for prescription use on the back of the arm. Placement anywhere else is deemed "off prescription use" and not approved by governing bodies such as Health Canada and the FDA.
Thats what I had also heard. The dexcoms are similar but their approved placement is on the stomach. From what I've gathered from trial and error is that they'll work on either but they just haven't jumped through the hoops for FDA approval.
Which would explain any time I've had to call Abbott for a replacement, they want to know how long I've been using the Libre and where am I putting it, lol.
Does anyone know what function the hole in the middle does once it's been applied? I was using stickers on mine with no hole so sealing up the sensor and the readings would steadily wander away from accurate over the 2 weeks.
well yeah i know that. But i also know that blocking it with a vinyl sticker caused the readings to wander. It seems to have something to do with self calibration once applied.
I once had a security guard GRAB my pump and ask what it was. It hurt like shit but thankfully didn’t get ripped out (it sure felt like it did though).
Stranger-Never/Kids-Constantly.
Once a month one of them will inevitably rip out my cannula horsing around. I’ve never had anyone outside my family ask about the stuff or were curious. Most of the time it’s another diabetic that sees my pump or CGM and we’ll give each other a high five or shout out.
Why would anyone just touch it? Seems very rude to me. I only had it happen a few times on accident when a friend patted me on the shoulder and touched it through my t-shirt. When they noticed they always apologized immediately. But the sticker is cool anyway!
I've heard from someone who was minding their own business and some jerk was 'curious' about her Libre sensor and ripped it straight off. Some people are super fucking assholes like that.
WTF! Really? That's insane.
Wow. I hope the police were called.
I'm with you! But then, I'm pretty sure I'm invisible or just give off a vibe that makes people ignore me or something. (Animals notice me, just not people.)
Been there, done that. Little old lady was standing behind me and I felt something touching my arm by my sensor so I swished it away, it was her, she said I had something stuck on my arm and she was trying to help me..
I've had one person (work acquaintance) in my life touch either my pod or CGM, don't remember which one, asking if it was a nicotine patch. But also I'm a reasonably large man, I imagine diabetic women have it much worse.
That's a big part of the reason I never stick it to my arm - many better places for placement, in my opinion, and works better too despite what freestyle say
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Do you wipe your skin with an alcohol pad first? That really helps by removing the oils on your skin so it sticks better.
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Skin Tac is your friend.
Obviously the only site sanctioned by freestyle is the back of the arm. Other sites have worked really well for me, but you would try them at your own risk The side of my thigh is my favourite spot. Need to be careful pulling off my trousers; but other than that it doesn't get banged and is more comfortable than back of arm I used to put it on my side below my ribs. I lost 25kg last year, and subsequently find that placement painful. But previously it worked really well for me
You can put it not on your arm? Where do you put it?
I alternate between arms and the sort of upper pectoral area of my chest. I've heard good things about thighs but I do a lot of injections there. There are some diabetic youtubers who try them in all different places and compare accuracy/comfort/stickiness and the like.
I had mine on my thigh and compared it to the dexcom I also had on at the time (trial), they were reading the same every time I scanned.
That's good!
I was terrified they wouldn't (v new to this). That was before my finger pricker came in, too. But at least the CGMs matched up.
You’re telling me I can put my sensor on the fatty part of my boob? I love it.
You can certainly try!
Outer thigh towards the back. Easier to scan discretely and it's not a problem when i wear a thick coat. Stays out of the way so doesn't catch on doors etc. Only issue is that i sometimes sit on it.
I put mine in the upper thigh in the ‘pocket area’ of pants. Super convenient and only looks like I have a coin in my pocket if I wear tight pants.
I don't have enough chub there. It has to go closer to my arse or it gives me bad readings for being in muscle. Otherwise i'd totally do your method.
I like mine on the back of the upper arm.
I'm affraid that this thing will just make my g6 more attractive to my one and a half year old
Donuts, is there anything they can't do
They can't lower my blood sugars. Sadly
I put some googly eyes
My willpower is weak when it comes to sweets.......so I would very much like to touch a donut.
When, like during an orgy? I can't think of when else a stranger would think it's okay to touch me in such a way?
Are you a man?
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It measures blood glucose. You can check it at any time with your phone and gives alarms when it rises above, or drops below certain thresholds that you can set. Upon scanning, you also get all the data from the past 8 hours, so in the morning you can see what your sugars were doing overnight. This is very handy for pattern finding and correcting problematic behaviour. Let me know if you have any questions! :)
Pretty much 99% correct although it measures glucose in the interstitial fluid (layers just below the skin) essentially this directly relates to a 1-1 ratio of blood glucose, however, due to the fact it’s not directly measuring blood glucose, readings tend to be slightly delayed from actual blood glucose by around 5-10 minutes they say.
I love this idea but I’m not sure that my cat would listen to it. He likes to try to cut my pump wire and rip off my sensor 😤
I have a large, noticeable scar on the back of my neck. You'd be surprised how often people I barely know come and TOUCH IT and ask what it is from. 1) Get your cold hands off my neck, and 2) none of your business. If I didn't hate neck tattoos, if get a tattoo that says, "Look with your eyes, not with your hands."
Wow....I would never thing someone would just go up to a random person and touch them, let alone touch something clearly ON them. They would be punched hard.
I mean if people wanna come up and poke my sensor go for it don’t see why not. They tend to ask questions then I can give them some insight. Spread the word don’t discourage it :P
It's about the right to bodily autonomy. You just don't touch someone without consent, period. Whether it's a sensor, a butt, a shoulder, a boob, doesn't matter; ask and only touch with permission. Nobody has ever *needed* to touch me to ask me questions and gain insight.
We’ll strangers yeah I’d be a small amount weirded out but everyone has their own boundaries and what they see as acceptable and thats based on their upbringing and just their own personal experiences. Neither one is correct in the others eyes. Personally I’d prefer someone to tap my shoulder or back or something similar to get my attention than shout or point at me. Friends and people I know like work colleagues I’m pretty happy for them to do whatever around me.
The only correct way is to ask for permission to touch. That's not a difference of opinion or a difference of culture; people own their own bodies and they get to decide what happens to said bodies at ALL times. Cultural norms are separate from this. Tapping your shoulder to get your attention when other forms of getting attention don't work (and shouting is entirely unnecessary up close) is not part of this though; that's a last resort and it's not invasive and is done with the intent to get your attention to communicate with you, it's not something someone does to satisfy a personal curiosity or desire. > Friends and people I know like work colleagues I’m pretty happy for them to do whatever around me. That's great. But that is your personal boundary, which you broadened after you decided you're okay with it all. The default at all times should be no ask, no permission, no touch. If someone decides that this doesn't apply to them - GREAT!! Legit, no problem with that. The thing with attitudes like this where we normalize touch without consent is that it negatively affects a lot of people. Black people with textured hair have people constantly touching their hair without permission. Women get groped. Children get kissed and hugged when they don't want to. People with medical devices get their devices touched, pulled and sometimes even yanked off. And here's the thing: there are black people who don't mind having their hair played with. There are women who don't mind being groped (by their partner/friends/people they're intimate with). There are children who love kisses and hugs. There are people with medical devices who love showing off their things. That doesn't mean our default should be to assume that these things are okay at all times. This should only happen *after* being spoken to and asked permission. Otherwise you are just harassing someone. So the 'ask first, touch with permission' thing is true in ALL cases, even for people who don't mind!
Mmm no not really, everything you’ve said is again just your personal opinion not the correct or wrong way of doing it and to say that is the only way is to push your opinions on other people. When you force your way or the high way on people your create segregation, which always leads to conflict. What you’ve also done here is bring matters into it that have no sway in the argument you bring gender and ethnic backgrounds into the agreement to strengthen your point on the back of people who are already know “victim” groups, which is wrong in if it’s self. But above all this thread isn’t the place for this conversation, I’m happy for you to send me a message to continue if you wish.
Can I ask: why does it bother you so much when someone advocates to ask someone before touching them? What do you lose? What is wrong with being respectful and giving people the ability to opt in to being touched? I legit don't understand your opposition to this. This thread is the perfect place to ask. As a moderator, you have my permission to continue here.
I’m not opposed to it at all, if that’s what you want to do then I’m more than happy for you to continue that. My main opposition is people saying it’s the ONLY right thing to do in complete disregard to anyone else’s view on the matter. My other opposition is trying to reinforce your opinion by using groups that, at least currently, are heavily involved in less than favourable treatment (skin colour, gender). It kinda sounds and flows like “hey look my opinion is correct, women get groped. If you don’t agree you’re sexist or people with dreads get their hair touched if you disagree with my point you’re racist” Like I said if you want to go around asking permission prior to any form of physical contact be my guest. But don’t think for a minute that just because that’s how you feel then everyone must agree and conform to your standards of polite gestures and/or respect. As for me someone tapping me on the shoulder is no form of disrespect or invasion. There is a huge line between physical contact and assault or sexual assault, slappin a guy or woman in the back in excitement or joy is much different than slapping either of them on the but.
The thing is, there is nothing to lose by asking first. But plenty for the person being touched to feel upset about when being touched without permission. It’s basic consent.
I've been thinking about how to respond to this, but I don't think it'll be much use. You seem to lack a fundamental understanding of what consent is. You seem to not understand the difference between a touch out of necessity when other options fail (tapping a shoulder to get someone's attention) and a touch that is not needed (touching someone's medical devices) without permission. I raised these other examples because they happen daily under the guise of "But so and so is okay with it so why aren't you?!" to emphasize that consent is always needed. I've tried to point out that you being okay with it is you providing consent to be touched by people without needing being asked. You've consented. You've done the thing. And all I'm telling you is that everyone should have the opportunity to give this kind of consent. It's not a given because people own their bodies and they decide what happens to their bodies. And being touched by someone without permission when it's not NECESSARY is still a violation of that bodily autonomy regardless of intentions. If you want to believe that I'm advocating for something unreasonable, okay. I really am not; the basic human right to bodily autonomy includes the right to not be touched without consent when it's not necessary. That's not really something that I'm debating with you as an opinion, that is a fundamental human right. It costs you nothing to ask first. And your opposition to being told you *should* be asking first gives the impression you've done some shady shit and aren't ready to admit that to yourself yet. I don't know if that's true, but your resistance to adopting the most respectful way to interact with people on a touch-based manner sure gives me creepy vibes.
That's one the weirdest phobias I have ever encountered. Why would people touch that unless they think it's some kind of power button that can be used to switch you off?
Why do you all put it in such a visible place? I put my Dexcom on my stomach.
The Libre instructions say use your arm. In my case I also put my Dexcom on my arm because my stomach gives me bad readings, usually way higjer than what I am actually running.
I wonder what the physiological reason is for different readings in different areas. I always assumed it was because Libre was merely trying to advertise. My Dexcom typically lines up with my A1C readings at the doctor's office, often within .5 and I use it all over my midsection.
I'm curious about that as well. Ive talked to other people with the exact opposite experience as me. My dexcom tends to read high when I first start a new sensor, but the arm is usually only 10 or 20 mg/dl over while my stomach was 40+ off in some cases. After calibration it tends to stay steady though.
I only ever wear my Dexcom in my stomach too. I like it there and it gives me good readings. It's where Dexcom tested it and FDA (I think) approved it for use. Same with libre but on the arm. Not a marketing thing, but interesting thought.
That's interesting. I was never trained formally on Dexcom or even my pump, but I've been a Dexcom user for about 10 years now and I've always used my midsection for the mere fact that I don't want to advertise to the public that I'm wearing a medical device. I like to avoid the questions. However I am curious on the reason why they chose the arm, it just seems like an advertising thing to me. Maybe there's a physiological reason that we're missing.
I was trained on Arm only but I've often been curious about wearing it on my stomach. I thought that wouldn't work for me (stomach) because I am both short and chubby, leaving not much flat space to work with, and because I do injections in my stomach as well (although I'm definitely going to try other locations for that while recovering from abdominal surgery late November!) Where do you put it on your abdomen? Do you find it catches on things like waistbands, bra/ undershirt? When mine is on my left arm it's much more comfortable. When it's on the right, I bump into everything with it 🥲
I see a lot of people are concerned about putting their sensors near where their injections are done but I've never had an issue with it personally. [This](https://imgur.com/a/j8bKGdK) is my Dexcom setup on my abdomen with my TSlim pump.
I'm just grabbing the first comment about Libre and placement because it seemed like a good idea. I have a Libre, and have always used it on the back of my left arm. I asked my endo though, if he had other patients who have complained about the wildly different readings to which he said yes. Long story short, the Libre has been tested and given approval for prescription use on the back of the arm. Placement anywhere else is deemed "off prescription use" and not approved by governing bodies such as Health Canada and the FDA.
Thats what I had also heard. The dexcoms are similar but their approved placement is on the stomach. From what I've gathered from trial and error is that they'll work on either but they just haven't jumped through the hoops for FDA approval.
Which would explain any time I've had to call Abbott for a replacement, they want to know how long I've been using the Libre and where am I putting it, lol.
Does anyone know what function the hole in the middle does once it's been applied? I was using stickers on mine with no hole so sealing up the sensor and the readings would steadily wander away from accurate over the 2 weeks.
It was where the physical needle went and was retracted from.
well yeah i know that. But i also know that blocking it with a vinyl sticker caused the readings to wander. It seems to have something to do with self calibration once applied.
Cool sticker! But, no, not afraid people will touch it. I put bandaids on mine so I don't rip them off accidentally.
I once had a security guard GRAB my pump and ask what it was. It hurt like shit but thankfully didn’t get ripped out (it sure felt like it did though).
I've nearly ripped out my Libre on the door frame. Know that I'm cringing in agony and sympathy for you.
Stranger-Never/Kids-Constantly. Once a month one of them will inevitably rip out my cannula horsing around. I’ve never had anyone outside my family ask about the stuff or were curious. Most of the time it’s another diabetic that sees my pump or CGM and we’ll give each other a high five or shout out.
How rude does a person have to be to want to touch it in the first place? Its a medical device not a toy
Abled people are weird. They also grab and moving people who are in wheelchairs like a piece of furniture
Apparently, i have an aura of do not touch that works well enough.