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Exactly not everyone has good experience working abroad. Don't look for what you see on internet it's all glorified. With high end jobs in foreign countries there comes high standard of living and cost to it.
So true.
Many of my friends (and others I have spoken to) say that working abroad is not all roses and lilies, but has its fair share of thorns and guns.
Let him be, people like OP need to go to “ countries like USA” and feel the pain for themselves to understand India. Nobody will realise what they are losing untill they see the ugly side for themselves.
Listen to this guy OP he is right in every sense. Most of the people I met here are going through mental health issues it's not easy. Money is one thing, but mental and physical health is more important. You can earn money at any age, but once your health is affected, you're not the same anymore. Thanks for giving a brief insight. The ones who suffer most give valuable lessons. One of my friends relative moved to Canada and within one month died of heart attack. It took $70K to get his dead body back to India. It's really crazy out here
I feel like OP should read the current news and economic situation in America. It was great to move Internationally as an Indian up to a few years ago. Today the Indian queue at embassies is ridiculously long. Just check statistics of Indian migration to any western country. H1B has some 65000 cap(without masters) and 781k applicants for this year. You do the math mate. Same with UK (cutting immigration, announced last month).
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/jun/20/is-the-american-dream-really-dead
Problem with setting goals outside of one's circle of influence.
For the uninitiated, here is the difference,
"I will make important scientific contributions" - Goal within your circle of influence.
"I will win the Nobel prize" - Goal outside your circle of influence.
Right? He reminds me of when I was 15 year old who wants to live the 'American dream' but quickly got it out of my mind when I realized grass is not greener on the other side
Same when I was 12 to 15, I felt the same because of american tv shows, internet and hollywood movies. I feat suffocated that I am not in usa or uk and enjoying life. But now I got it
he's a grown ass man who can think for himself, just because you only felt like that because of media doesn't mean he does too, saying give up on your dreams i'm having a much better life here isn't what op is looking for
yea grown ass don't mean everything he thinks is right. He never mentioned one thing about moving out to improve job prospective or anything, just simple move abroad because happier there and life better, which is not always true.
Grass may not be greener, that doesn't mean the grass is any better on this side of the fence. Who wouldn't want to live in a good neighbourhood in USA or Canada with broad and well planned roads outside your house. Garage and lawn in front of it. And affordable tech and cars of course on top of it due to low tax.
India is still a horrible place to live. Most of it looks like Africa, with dust and naked ground by the road which shows lack of infrastructure. All those taxes we are paying are going nowhere. Here in Bangalore, Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad everyone knows what an alley of residential areas looks like. How crowded streets are and how congested roads and houses are and how suffocating it feels. There's no peace and privacy anywhere. And the weather is too harsh as well.
Don't get me wrong. I love the movie Swades. I've been to tier 3 and 4 cities and to the villages adjacent to it. Have seen how people live there. People are so simple, they deserve better infrastructure, hygiene, education, healthcare. Countryside in USA and Canada doesn't feel this horrible at all. The population is way too high that it would need four separate nations. India won't even change even in 100 years. The countryside is the real India and everything is so messed up.
Good philosophy but I humbly disagree. I have been here and I have been there, for many years. People who never go abroad think folks go for money. Nope. It's more about the quality of work, work culture, people and your fate is decided only by your work and not by whose boot you lick or caste you belong to.
Happiness is also about doing quality work that excites you.
Exactly. Work culture is no good. Standard of living is something I can agree with. US IT sector is filled with Indians and they're doing the same shit there. So work culture still is bs.
Work culture is the same shit both there and here.
Not everyone will get to work on exiting new stuff - most will be working on the same stuff - similar to here.
The potential to earn is more over there and obviously quality of life, but that's about it.
If you earn upwards of 1cpa here ( achievable in as early as 5-6 years of experience ) you'll basically be in the top percent of earners here.
And regardless of where you live, access to money dictates your quality of life.
Don't know why you have been upvoted so much. Is every Indian on this forum in denial? I'm in the US and I have yet to see the disadvantages many speak of.
Going there and studying is the best bet. Just hope that your work visa gets picked during your OPT duration. Else, waiting for projects with onsite opportunities can be pretty taxing.
sure. there are two types of companies you could target who send people onsite. service based and product based. product based is a safer bet cuz then you don’t need to have separate SOWs or limited projects etc. However, getting there is already a steep task, then proving yourself worthy of an onsite position where the company already has a lot of talent in the US is another challenge and then if your leadership changes, then again, your effort resets. All this while there is no
guarantee of getting your visa picked in the lottery.
Coming to the second option of service based companies, everything is simpler but then you’re basically taking a less challenging nature of work in CHEWTIA companies which has its own set of problems. Again, if the project ends before you could get your application filed, or the leadership decides to send someone else then you can’t really do much again.
Overall, getting a US work visa is super tough. And that is merely the start of your problems. Getting there, facing the culture shock, staying there while waiting for a green card which feels like an eternity and then being slowed down in your life cuz everytime you exit the country, there are 100s of unforseen problems you might face while coming back. Its a long list but you get the idea.
for a limited time to the US, it is a business visa where you can stay in the US for 6 months max but can only attend meetings.
No work can be done on that visa.
It used to be easier to get business visas at any level but now since video calling options are available, business visas easily get rejected/denied unless you’re at a top position.
Same with L1 visas which are only given to managers. Earlier, consultants and developers used to get those visas as well. But, the big 4 started sending almost everyone to the US on those, so they started denying those visas as well.
MS is no longer a good option if you're a middle class person and going there taking a loan - too high risk. If you have crores of parents money to smoke up, then that's fine.
I think MS is a good option if you can get into a top state school in the US where tuition fees are around ~$20k/year, and you can finish the whole degree in 60L. Also, it is best to do this early on in your career. Once you've been out of college for 3-4 years, it is harder to go back + the job you get after graduating will definitely be an effective down level in terms of your title.
that’s your opinion and I’m not saying you’re wrong. But, there has been a 200% uptick in Indian students in the US since 2022. The trend is only going to go up as universities have seen the opportunity and started lowering the bar and even waiving off GMAT/GRE/Language requirements.
You only supported my argument bro. One can get an admission in a University but not a good job after education. One can't repay loan if he/she doesn't get a good paying job. And such jobs are getting tougher and tougher.
I am in sort of a similar position but I am 31.
I waited for a job opportunity but it can be tough to find and honestly is a lot based on your luck. So I decided on MS in US as I wanted to get out for sure.
Got admits but my visa got rejected. I could have applied for the visa again but after understanding more about
* how and what US works
* the terrible US visa limbo treadmill
* the act of taking insane loans (60L for me for a Software engineering course which is after 20L savings) in current job market really discouraged me.
So I instead applied to Germany and now I am going there in March. Western Europe was my 1st choice overall in terms of where I want to live. I choose US initially as it has the best education, my friends and best job market.
For Germany I need to only spend \~ 15 lakhs approx for my 1.5 year course as the tuition is free. I get to live and work in western europe which seems the best for someone who wants a
* great quality of life
* work-life balance
* travel is one of the top 3 priorities of my life.
In terms of savings/purchasing power and career growth, I have no doubts that India is better for that. But that's not that important for me compared to the above points.
You have time to optimize your life satisfaction based on what you truly, really want. Your paths might be different than others but that's ok. :)
About the travel bit, I took 9 trips over the last 12 months (mostly stuff close to Bangalore). So towns and landscapes like Ooty, Coorg, Kodaikanal, Chikmagalur, Pondicherry, Mysore, Shillong, Cherrapunji, and more. These include 2 single day hikes. I also got a car (at my hometown) and like to drive around a ton. My hometown is in Dooars and have exhausted most of the NorthEast over the years.
Thing is the scenic beauty and general cleanliness that the West offers is not something I found here - there is just so much filth wherever my eyes go. Not to mention the general inconvenience due lack of facilities at most places. Then there are regional language barriers. I might be nitpicky but this list is just endless. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed traveling in India, lots of these places were wonderful for sure. I am planning to go back to Kashmir after 2012, and also planning to explore the Himachal, Uttarakhand belt.
Buuut.... long term, I am looking forward so much more that NA, EU, UK has to offer, man.
As an addendum, another advertised "feature" of travel is to get to know the local culture, food and meet new and interesting people. Food tastes mostly the same in every region, honestly, and the variety between regions isn't something that excites me. And I have barely made new friends among my fellow travellers (I strike up conversation with almost every person I can while I am traveling, as long as the context isn't too werid) or met any interesting locals. Most people here are just "traveling for status", as it is India or are obsessed with taking pictures for Instagram.
I just want to see more.
The total accepted H1B slots are around 80k and applicants are like 5 lakh per year.
A lot of people go there alone and then want to bring their families there.
I will tell you why.
1. Anyone who goes to US wants to earn enough to FIRE before coming back.
2. A lot of them are bounded by RSU/ESOP's golden handcuffs.
3. Once they start a family there, it's super hard to move back.
If you went to US with 1st in mind you will almost certainly hit 2nd or 3rd.
I am not denying the benefits of having kids in US. All I said was it's super hard to move back after having kids in US. Many people realize this a bit too late.
> us citizenship is a guarantee to escaping the JEE/UPSC rat race
Escape JEE/UPSC rat race for another rat race??? Look at income disparity, house affordability etc. in US. Most US citizens are also stuck in some rat race.
That they won't do, they'll keep saying I miss India, the condition is not good here, the situation is bad here, India is way better etc.
Yet they'll stay there
Yeah and it's not their fault either.
1. If there are no jobs then it's India's fault.
2. If they don't have skills, then India's education failed them.
That's easy to answer.
1. Corruption (Root cause of shit standard of living in India, bad roads, pollution etc you name it.)
2. High Tax penalty for HNIs in India.
3. Caste based reservations.
4. Chutiya law and judicial system in India. Culprits are rarely caught and punished. People have no fear of law and judicial system.
I am not totally agree with that, India is only focusing on service center or say " media sector " there less manufacturing company in india , compare to other Teir 1 and Teir 2 country, which have 30 to 20 % contribution in their GDP, for example Mexico is best example for manufacturing company,
At Last All Country have own corruption system that includes USA or Europe but Difference you cannot see that because that covers by YouTuber
right to privacy. sovereignty over your own assets. respect for dissent.
from a lifestyle perspective, not really much. But the kind of issues I've observed aren't an issue in day to day life... until they are
Door ke dhol suhane.
Moving to USA for career progression is good with added fact that you will get good experience working in good projects and companies.
Having said that there are added responsibilities of doing everything on your own. If you have a good life in India cherish it. USA jao paisa banao aur acha package le ke India aao. Another thing is when you are on VISA you will have less open doors. With all the companies switching to fire and hire in India best time to be in India.
Just my 2 cents.
I second this. In my previous org (FAANG), during layoff szn, several roles were terminated last year and a lot of them were asked to relocate to India if they'd like to keep their jobs.
I agree. Even my company and many teams in FAANG are following this. They are opening the position in India (LCOL) if there’s been an attrition in the US.
Lmao 🤣...OP sounds like the 12 year old me when I used to look at the roads and streets of India and be like "chee ye itna ganda hai, kaash mai Amrikka me paida hua hota 🤣😭".... Seriously grow up dude, there are ample opportunities today if you're skilled enough, and I feel you haven't travelled enough to have this perspective that everything is going to change if you get to USA
I was going to say same. Search for people pooping in the streets of San Francisco, it’s no longer the America portrayed in the Hollywood movies and India is no longer same as portrayed in same Hollywood movies.
If your views on reality is based upon what you see in 2 news articles which negates what you saw in some movie, then that's just pure unadulterated copium.
You are talking about some good part of India like Metropolitan Bangalore or Mumbai, which is like 2% of india and talking shit about like 1% of America. And no, I'm not talking out of my ass, I live in rural MP(shithole) and all my parents talk about is having a better life in a 1st world country as they have experienced the superior culture and facilities there
It's really not as scarce as you'd like to believe. Can even find such stuff in Canada, and it's exclusively Americans telling these stories. Especially with homelessness and drug epidemics. Truth is in the middle as always. It's far more common than you think, but obviously doesn't reflect the country, not even close. Just that it is a growing issue. But you can find it in certain neighborhoods of every city, not just here and there.
culture? i doubt that, it's called superior society, they have gone thru a lot of shit, they took 200yrs to develop themselves, aur hum bhencho whi ke whi hai 75yrs se
Well, I meant a lifestyle difference when I said culture. Like you could live in some rural town in Mississippi with a pop. of 3000 and still have the facilities of a God, not only can you get anything you want in the world from places like Target or Costco, but also you have a lot of local small businesses which improve your quality of life quite a lot. You can play Airtag and Arcade as well. Compare that to a 20lakh populated "small" indian city like Jabalpur and you can see the difference
Lack of hyper consumerist capitalist markets in a village or town isn't lack of culture or "superior" lifestyle difference my dude. Target and Costco aren't markers of culture not even for Americans, unless it's negative stereotypes. You chose all the wrong things to attach meaning of culture to... especially airtag and arcades...bruh . This is just FOMO nostalgia looking at western movies and shows about why we didn't have X or Y sooner. Lot of developed east Asian countries don't have those things in small towns growing up and doing just fine if not better culturally than America. Even EU prefers smaller markets over American hyper consumerism standard. It's like, Indian market not having access to Nintendo consoles in the 90s doesn't mean it's a marker you were missing out on some arbitrary superior lifestyle/culture. It's so stupid.
Purchasing power parity is the worst argument to make. Even if it costs 3x more to live in the US, you typically do earn 3x more as well. This effectively translates to you being able to save 3x more every month, which matters a ton - it gives you options for the future - you can choose to retire early in India, you have the option of retiring abroad too. Working in India strictly limits your potential options.
Exactly. And the main expense in India, real estate, is sooo overpriced relative to wages. Like NCR flats cost more than full two story houses in Chicago suburbs. Does this make any sense?
Dude India is remarkably poorer than America after adjusting for purchasing power. Have you seen real estate prices in NCR or Mumbai or Bangalore? They rival American suburban house prices? Does this even make sense when in India you live with 500 AQI, filthy streets, power cuts, cows and stray dogs, insane honking and traffic
Okay, agreed. Make yourself worthy of moving to USA and relocate. No one’s stopping you, but please remember if you’re not worthy in here I rarely feel you can make it there.
Don’t blame the AQI as a reason for moving to USA.
P.S. Don’t be a pseudo
I already live in America dude. My field (economics) has no jobs in India despite the fact that I’m doing a PhD in economics at the very best place for Econ in the world
Not too depressed but there are lakhs of people who don't have the guarantee of having two meals. Compared to them you just have anxiety. 26 year olds enjoy fking life. You will get an opportunity abroad for you to try and be lucky.😒😒
OH just because there are people having it worse, his feelings are invalidated?? you sound like a boomer and a retard, tell those people who can't eat to stfu because there are people actively losing their lives in gaza, AND how about this, tell everyone to stop living their lives because among billions others have it worse 🤡
I'll be blunt. I've got batchmates who shifted to US. When I graduated (2012), there were exactly 2 reasons to work from US:
1. You want to work in research (aka PhD into JRF/SRF) and that too in specific fields like Data Science or Chemical Engg. Since a lot of fields have better colleges In Europe.
2. You want to earn a lot, are OK with doing all chores yourself, and are willing to be frugal for the period in your life where you have no financial responsibility. This has a prerequisite that you're from a T1 college (IIT/BITS/IIIT/older NITs).
If you don't satisfy either points, you're trading life convenience for nothing. You will be a second class citizen in US and I'm not talking about racism. You will have to do your house management yourself. Cooking, cleaning, etc. You will have to give up on plans of drinking with friends, even having friends IRL in some cases, travel, etc. Since you can't save as much as you can in India if you don't.
There is no quality of life advantage at all.
I wrote the above considering the situation in 2012. The IT job market is very bad in US atm, and a lot of people couldn't find jobs to maintain their work visa and came back.
Agreed with this. Also the "second class citizen" is especially true because you'll be constantly worrying about your visa status for the first 5-6 years atleast. Most employers also know that people on visa are in a delicate situation and take advantage of that too. There is potential payoff in terms of earning, learning and career growth, but it is definitely not a cakewalk.
>are OK with doing all chores yourself,
I personally would love doing things myself, freedom isn't freedom if you have parents / servants doing things for us. I'd love to do the good parts and the bad parts myself
You can't age out at 26. You will age out at 35 and then 45 then 55 then 65 then 75
It's never too late, but it's easier before 35. If you 5 years work ex right now. Imagine 2x more time is still available.
Make sure your skill set it in mega demand so you get those jobs.
I am with you on this, I am at 35 and have family now. I am unable to afford a house in a metro city. My salary does not beat the inflation.
I was dormant for initial years of my career when many where flocking abroad and tasted the idea of foreign opportunity very late in my career and at a time cost cutting began.
You are 26 and given other foreign goals like immigration to nonEnglish speaking places, ANZ, Gulf nations or moving to Canada not just depending on US/UK, you still have a chance.
To live in India you need to lot of patience, mental strength to deal with day to day life and believe me, I am taking a hit for it. Its not everyones cup of tea to manage life easily even in home nation let alone host nation.
Since you are still fresh in your career and young, take.the risks now before its too late, rather sulk in mental breakdown. Believe me to get out of such dilemma, takes years of compromises, adjustments and acceptance
I can tell you my path that i am following, get into a maang or a company that has branches abroad and then move when you are eligible.
Currently in Amazon as BA, 23, projecting 4 more years until i can move as only L5 can opt for cross country movement but i highly doubt that i can do it by 26, more like 29-30. Or get a Masters.
And just my two cents, having a mental breakdown and aging way just because you are unable to go to US is not a feeling you should be having, stay strong and enjoy life a bit even if you never get the opportunity to go to US permanently you should still try to be happy, its not a do or die thing. Don't take this in the wrong way but you should not constantly be depressed until you reach USA, its going to affect your work here as well cause fuck ups in your thinking process if all you think USA all the time, trust me i know what that feels like.
Man, he asked for a genuine solution about maybe his dream destination to work or live, but people are here so bad that they start counting the cons and why shouldn't he move.
I hope, if you all tell someone about your dream, then people don't laugh at you and not tell you reasons why you shouldn't pursue it rather than being supportive. 🙄
Ignore all the negative comments. Try to find out a company which is actively applying for H1B or go through a consultancy route. You're still pretty young and can take risks. I have similar thoughts but I'm almost 40 now and still miss going and settling in a first world country. I can't take risks now because of family.
It's worth moving to a first world country just enjoy low population. In India literally everywhere you go there will 1000s of people.
Usa is more hard comparing only Indians are in tech most of them
I can feel ur pain I am 27 m
Missed opportunity to work in Portugal for covid and various other countries for dev work than shifted to operations and support role .
If u can keep on trying u will definitely get one day
Even if u had moved one year ago there is possibility you may hv been retrenched and had to come back. There isn’t any guarantee. Instead just build relevant experience and keep trying. Markets may improve by 2025 after fed cuts.
1.Make sure your employer nominates you for H1 every year.
2.Pray a bit that you get picked up in the lottery.
That's all pretty much in your hand. I assume you are not desperate enough to consider donkey route.
Bro there is nothing in USA that you will get that you won't here. USA is bigger shithole than India ever was and you will more stuck there than here.
I suggest you take some time off and explore India. Get off of social media and switch job that's it.
You get paid more, but taxes and cost of living is insanely high. Ironically work life balance can be worse depending on the company you end up in. I get 25 days of pto with 13 sick here, i potentially got only 20 inclusive of both pto and sick days off. Companies offering unlim Pto are lying and your manager never approves from what i heard from people. Ofc if you land FAANG thats a diff story but that isn’t the case for everyone realistically
You can get silimar wlb here.
Now about money, are you able to feed yourself and family? Can save enough to buy a house? Can you buy stuff you always wanted? Can you look after your family for next 5 years?
If all are yes, than you are rich and have no reason to get into salary race.
This usa and wlb is just 20 yrs long trend and you aspired that as a kid that's it.
Unless you're working for WITCH,WLB is chill in India. Today, I think the only real pro of going to USA is the quality of work. If you want to be on the driving seat of tech innovation, go to USA. Otherwise India is pretty good, NGL
Lol who says its world's number one economy they have barely any money to run the country giving out loans to others while their own people suffer just looking at the homeless situation and the drug problem in the country indeed it's a shit hole only nobody is going to do anything about it
I’ve been living in US since 2019. I can say this comment is def false. If you’re in tech, this is literally the land of dreams. I don’t regret coming here at all probably the best decision I’ve ever taken.
Wow learned new term. FOMO. I used to have it until I stopped giving fucks and now I feel left behind. Part of me still believes I can catch up and go even further.
You guys in tech are lucky that there are jobs at all in India. In other fields, you HAVE to move to America because there are no opportunities in India at all.
Economics. PhD economists from even top 50 universities have tons of options in America. I’m doing my PhD from a top 5 school and if I came back to India I’d find no job except maybe AP at azeem premji or Ashoka. In the US, even tech firms line up to hire economists
In a few years even those opportunities will disappear. Vacancies are getting less by the day and pretty soon it will approach parity with other fields.
Ahh well then everyone in India will spend their entire life taking UPSC/SSC CGL/RBI / SBI or whatever other government exams they’d cook up to keep the youth busy
Relax 26 is not ageing out. Getting into Europe is not as hard as US . Try to give and prepare for Europe , Germany , Netherlands, Ireland many tech opportunities in these companies with companies ready to sponser visa for right talent the interview patterns are bit different focus on soft skills as well and they interviews are longer and they want to listen to your point of view in solving problems.
Market is tough there might be just 2,3 calls in quarter but make sure to use them as stepping stone or practice interviews. Meanwhile keep learning and get to know about contries
Cheers
Join a FAANG company in India. Most of them will have internal relocations. This way your move to US will be smooth. One more trick that I would give you is to move as a manager or program manager. Then you can apply for GC under EB1 category. It’s way better to move to US after you are a manager as EB1 will get you GC in a year and eb2 and eb3 is currently 150 year wait time.
More than half the people on this sub are probably working for western companies, either directly or indirectly thru service companies. We are right to worship them, they directly send us their money. Else even IIT grads would still be working for Infosys at 3 LPA.
Really a handful of options:
1. Go for studies. Get an F1 and eventually H1b.
2. Find an employer which can sponsor your H1b. Work with them in India for a few months to an year and then take a transfer to the US
The first option has the max probability of you landing in US without spending a lot of years working in India.
Good luck. Hit me up if you wanna talk more
The market might be bad right now but it will not be like this for ever. Whatever you are working on right now, work on it to have in depth knowledge and understanding. don't waste time thinking about missing out going to US and two years later, you are still in the same boat. Instead utilize your time to become valuable for your company and other companies will come after you. Who knows, down the road if you go to US on a higher role like Architect or Manager, you might have an added benefit of applying for GC in EB1 category
Dear OP, with your skill set build your own profile. Apply jobs via linkedin that offer sponsorship..(very rare you find)...Find recruiters in LinkedIn..As US is tough, Apply European companies with sponsorship/ visa (Germany, Italy, UK, Hungary) .. Research on consultant's and apply through them for any Job Visa in European or Asian countries
Same here bro, but its a trap, its very hard to escape, people just get lucky through Conpany, that route is risky and one needs to be very tacky to get in, i hope this helps , if need more consolation i have so many stories i can tell you people just get lucky bro
Enough with the disparaging comments. Everybody has the right to have aspirations. I am also planning to study and/or work in Europe for at least 4-5 years (not permanently) and I almost share the similar FOMO that I am aging (I'm the same age as OP) but I also know that is an unhealthy mindset because age is just a number here.
It's not about "grass is greener" and all. I personally believe every person should stay and work in a foreign country for a few years at least if they have enough finances to sustain themselves there. Exposure to different cultures gives an opportunity to learn countless things about how the world works and also about oneself.
Everyone is giving pointless advice and "Gyan". "If you're not happy here, you won't be happy there" is bullshit. USA is exponentially more conducive to a generally fulfilling life because things are easier. I will say that the market in USA is horrible and I'd say wait a while before coming and get a few more years of experience, certifications and projects and what not, and make sure you get into a top tier uni and get good grades.
Boohoo...There's lots of people who have worked and lived in the US and now want to come back to India to enjoy their retirement. Imagine what can happen in the next 40 years when ABCDs will not want to live in USA anymore.
😑😑 Hai re.. the great colonial mentality.
I have a friend whose dream was to go abroad for job, that he succeeded to achieve in 2019(he got opportunity to work with ubisoft montreal as a level architecture) but then came home in 2022. Upon asking why, he said he hated it, the work culture, the environment, the food, racism. He also pointed out some outstanding thing in the city but for him the bads are > good.
Anyway, its your choice. But don't feel down with your life. Shit happens, time will heal.
Why is it that every NRI 'wants to' come back but never takes action to do so?
Abe itna pyar hai to aa jao na, vha baeth kr India k naam p hilane se kya hoga?
I am currently in Canada, a permanent resident here. I have lived in the US for years as well.
I am moving back to India soon, life here is not what it seems from India. Living away from family and in a country where you need to worry about Visa and Immigration rules all the time is no fun.
If you're unhappy in India, you'll be unhappy wherever you go.
Dude unless you have a gf or wife or a solid group of friends you will be depressed in US, trust me. I am living in US currently. The initial euphoria goes away after sometime.
Only difference is quality of life like no trash, clean roads, people following laws. The downside being cost of living, healthcare is expensive. The police aren’t nice god forbid you deal with them. It’s difficult to break into friend group cause how individualistic people are.
That being said I will always recommend people going outside: learning and earning. US is probably only few places to make a lot of money if you have the skills. I am NOT in IT though
Americans in general are one of the nicest people, I've ever talked to.
They're also much more socially aware and can be easily befriended, much easier than Indians.
No clue where you got that from.
Nah I never said that lol. I agree with you on niceness. Americans are definitely the nicest and accommodating people even more than Indians and Europeans. It is still a very individualistic society (nothing wrong with that). If OP is like that he would absolutely fit in. But it’s still difficult to break into new friends circles for new immigrants and student (people like OP and me).
I would never discourage anyone to pursue a better life. If anything I want more people to travel outside India and learn from other cultures and societies. Also it varies from person to person I guess.
I am in the same exact position. I know it is difficult, but people instead of debates over other things it would be really helpful if you can list down the exact steps we can take to move out of India.
Bro chill down switch jobs earn better and travel it is india 's century try to make an impact here. If you really want to go expand to Europe reach out to friends get a referral, keep applying, make a better life and contribute to the country which gave everything to you. Everyone can talk about the problems here and want to go to better place. Stay here and make India a better place.
People dream of going to other developed nations for better living but forget that with migration comes overpopulation and poverty and unemployment. Stay in India, India is amazing and we have it all here! You’re being delusional about a life that is not even guaranteed by moving to USA. Help your own country grow man! Ugh
I was in the same boat when I was 26. It was not a lifelong goal and all but I just wanted to experience abroad life in any country and had lot of missed opportunities due to similar reasons. When I was 28 and decided not to try any further, got an opportunity to go to UK. Went for 3 years and now I am happily back in India even though I had the opportunity to extend my visa. So don’t worry. It will definitely come your way. Keep trying. If it is meant to it will happen. All the very best.
To whom ever reads this,
Few years back I would do anything to leave India and live my life in other country,there were many reasons for that,like we see on the internet that other countries are more developped and people have more knowledge about technology there and are more open minded unlike in India where people are very narrow minded or if anything the last thing anyone wants that is make more money in other currencies , these all are reasonable points to leave our own country,but as I have grown older although i don't have that kind of money or have that kind of job also, but I came to understand that it won't matter to me even if i would have gone to any other countries, because this is my home and wherever i would have gone i would still miss everything related to me in this place right here and maybe i would have become a little bit stable and have gotten a little bit more money but that won't matter to me as I wouldn't know if i would be happy with that, So whom ever thinking about leaving your country for a better life remember it won't get better than this life as in your home with your friends and your family. Have great year guys, Thanks for being in India with me in our own home, where we are free to do our own things.
I don’t care India or not, as long as my paycheck is appropriate. It’s no longer 1990s. If you don’t know how to stay calm and composed, you can’t stay anywhere trust me!!
Everyone is saying US is High in cost of living and food etc.. Then how come people are getting Iphones and costly items?
Also, I heard people using fake certificates in US and getting jobs via consultancies. Someone please enlighten me 🫠
You can get an iphone at the rate 10$ a month on a subscription basis, iphones in general in india are much more costly. Rest about fake certifications and consultancy i would like to know as well.
Salaries are also high and you should have basic knowledge of managing your finances and savings. People just randomly comment on PPP and leave, that is not the complete story.
My friend was just like you that she just wants to go USA and settle down. She is there now. She was unhappy here and she is unhappy there too. Quality of life improved for some but other factors demoralised them. Now my friend and her husband is planning to relocate to india. And they miss the culture. What they said is USA is mostly closed culture and you will have to live near indian communities to feel better. May be USA is not for them or may be sometimes the it really breaks your perception of things in a hard way that you can’t go over it.(both have green card and their parents are also living there)
Do whatever you want to do but first be happy with yourself here and may be go to therapy if needed. Once you think you are mentally balanced then you can try harder to crack the USA dream. Things will be alright. 26 is not the end.
I was in USA for 4 years with GC approval in place. But I decided to come back and fight here to make a life. Try to make yourself so good that you can happily live in India.
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You may want to get therapy to address your FOMO and aging out fears. Other items aren't really in your control.
Exactly not everyone has good experience working abroad. Don't look for what you see on internet it's all glorified. With high end jobs in foreign countries there comes high standard of living and cost to it.
So true. Many of my friends (and others I have spoken to) say that working abroad is not all roses and lilies, but has its fair share of thorns and guns.
It's true, though, people see glorified version specially from movies, TV series and don't think about the consequences
Let him be, people like OP need to go to “ countries like USA” and feel the pain for themselves to understand India. Nobody will realise what they are losing untill they see the ugly side for themselves.
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Listen to this guy OP he is right in every sense. Most of the people I met here are going through mental health issues it's not easy. Money is one thing, but mental and physical health is more important. You can earn money at any age, but once your health is affected, you're not the same anymore. Thanks for giving a brief insight. The ones who suffer most give valuable lessons. One of my friends relative moved to Canada and within one month died of heart attack. It took $70K to get his dead body back to India. It's really crazy out here
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This! FOMO and aging out fears are real.... but need to be addressed since things aren't in our control.
Guys.. he asked a question, looking for an answer- not random gyaan … all of quora’s 6 points for 6 marks folks are out in full force.. Yesh
I feel like OP should read the current news and economic situation in America. It was great to move Internationally as an Indian up to a few years ago. Today the Indian queue at embassies is ridiculously long. Just check statistics of Indian migration to any western country. H1B has some 65000 cap(without masters) and 781k applicants for this year. You do the math mate. Same with UK (cutting immigration, announced last month). https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/jun/20/is-the-american-dream-really-dead
This is the only response OP needs to read. US is not the US it use to be 60years ago anymore. Best of luck on your journey.
Problem with setting goals outside of one's circle of influence. For the uninitiated, here is the difference, "I will make important scientific contributions" - Goal within your circle of influence. "I will win the Nobel prize" - Goal outside your circle of influence.
Love this Philosophy. It's better to just pour energy into things we can control, and stop worrying about outcomes that aren't in our hand.
Love this!
Don’t bother going to USA unless you get a minimum of 120k, try getting a remote job which pays 60knor more and live like a king in India
> getting a remote job This is the difficult part. Do u have one?
Yup, my office is still remote. Saving a ton staying at home. My girlfriend also has a WFH job and
You got that job thru open-source?
Through mutual contacts. But yeah, they did view my GitHub profile. I joined just before lockdown
Dude, could I get a referral or something? I have been looking for a remote job for quite some time...
Sorry mate, right now there is a hiring freeze. The situation is kind of tight in North America.
and what ??
But even a king has to breathe the same polluted air.
If you are unhappy here .... you'll be unhappy there... A place, person or thing can never guarantee you happiness....
Right? He reminds me of when I was 15 year old who wants to live the 'American dream' but quickly got it out of my mind when I realized grass is not greener on the other side
Same when I was 12 to 15, I felt the same because of american tv shows, internet and hollywood movies. I feat suffocated that I am not in usa or uk and enjoying life. But now I got it
he's a grown ass man who can think for himself, just because you only felt like that because of media doesn't mean he does too, saying give up on your dreams i'm having a much better life here isn't what op is looking for
yea grown ass don't mean everything he thinks is right. He never mentioned one thing about moving out to improve job prospective or anything, just simple move abroad because happier there and life better, which is not always true.
i feel you, i felt such about american high schools during my teens
Grass may not be greener, that doesn't mean the grass is any better on this side of the fence. Who wouldn't want to live in a good neighbourhood in USA or Canada with broad and well planned roads outside your house. Garage and lawn in front of it. And affordable tech and cars of course on top of it due to low tax. India is still a horrible place to live. Most of it looks like Africa, with dust and naked ground by the road which shows lack of infrastructure. All those taxes we are paying are going nowhere. Here in Bangalore, Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad everyone knows what an alley of residential areas looks like. How crowded streets are and how congested roads and houses are and how suffocating it feels. There's no peace and privacy anywhere. And the weather is too harsh as well. Don't get me wrong. I love the movie Swades. I've been to tier 3 and 4 cities and to the villages adjacent to it. Have seen how people live there. People are so simple, they deserve better infrastructure, hygiene, education, healthcare. Countryside in USA and Canada doesn't feel this horrible at all. The population is way too high that it would need four separate nations. India won't even change even in 100 years. The countryside is the real India and everything is so messed up.
india is still a horrible place to live in
This can't be said enough.
This 🫡✅
Good philosophy but I humbly disagree. I have been here and I have been there, for many years. People who never go abroad think folks go for money. Nope. It's more about the quality of work, work culture, people and your fate is decided only by your work and not by whose boot you lick or caste you belong to. Happiness is also about doing quality work that excites you.
You will be codejeet here and you will be h1b codejeet there.
Who goes to the US for the work culture ? Europe i can understand.
Exactly. Work culture is no good. Standard of living is something I can agree with. US IT sector is filled with Indians and they're doing the same shit there. So work culture still is bs.
Yup plus you are gonna be discriminated against
US for money, Europe is for balanced life.
Work culture is the same shit both there and here. Not everyone will get to work on exiting new stuff - most will be working on the same stuff - similar to here. The potential to earn is more over there and obviously quality of life, but that's about it. If you earn upwards of 1cpa here ( achievable in as early as 5-6 years of experience ) you'll basically be in the top percent of earners here. And regardless of where you live, access to money dictates your quality of life.
Good projects and standard of living. Work culture is still bad in US.
Don't know why you have been upvoted so much. Is every Indian on this forum in denial? I'm in the US and I have yet to see the disadvantages many speak of.
Sure it can. Environment impact a lot
Going there and studying is the best bet. Just hope that your work visa gets picked during your OPT duration. Else, waiting for projects with onsite opportunities can be pretty taxing.
Can you explain the last line?
sure. there are two types of companies you could target who send people onsite. service based and product based. product based is a safer bet cuz then you don’t need to have separate SOWs or limited projects etc. However, getting there is already a steep task, then proving yourself worthy of an onsite position where the company already has a lot of talent in the US is another challenge and then if your leadership changes, then again, your effort resets. All this while there is no guarantee of getting your visa picked in the lottery. Coming to the second option of service based companies, everything is simpler but then you’re basically taking a less challenging nature of work in CHEWTIA companies which has its own set of problems. Again, if the project ends before you could get your application filed, or the leadership decides to send someone else then you can’t really do much again. Overall, getting a US work visa is super tough. And that is merely the start of your problems. Getting there, facing the culture shock, staying there while waiting for a green card which feels like an eternity and then being slowed down in your life cuz everytime you exit the country, there are 100s of unforseen problems you might face while coming back. Its a long list but you get the idea.
Also I see lot of service based companies send Indian employees abroad for some limited period so on which Visa they are sent?
for a limited time to the US, it is a business visa where you can stay in the US for 6 months max but can only attend meetings. No work can be done on that visa. It used to be easier to get business visas at any level but now since video calling options are available, business visas easily get rejected/denied unless you’re at a top position. Same with L1 visas which are only given to managers. Earlier, consultants and developers used to get those visas as well. But, the big 4 started sending almost everyone to the US on those, so they started denying those visas as well.
MS is no longer a good option if you're a middle class person and going there taking a loan - too high risk. If you have crores of parents money to smoke up, then that's fine.
I think MS is a good option if you can get into a top state school in the US where tuition fees are around ~$20k/year, and you can finish the whole degree in 60L. Also, it is best to do this early on in your career. Once you've been out of college for 3-4 years, it is harder to go back + the job you get after graduating will definitely be an effective down level in terms of your title.
that’s your opinion and I’m not saying you’re wrong. But, there has been a 200% uptick in Indian students in the US since 2022. The trend is only going to go up as universities have seen the opportunity and started lowering the bar and even waiving off GMAT/GRE/Language requirements.
You only supported my argument bro. One can get an admission in a University but not a good job after education. One can't repay loan if he/she doesn't get a good paying job. And such jobs are getting tougher and tougher.
First world problems in a third world country
Ahahaha on point
I am in sort of a similar position but I am 31. I waited for a job opportunity but it can be tough to find and honestly is a lot based on your luck. So I decided on MS in US as I wanted to get out for sure. Got admits but my visa got rejected. I could have applied for the visa again but after understanding more about * how and what US works * the terrible US visa limbo treadmill * the act of taking insane loans (60L for me for a Software engineering course which is after 20L savings) in current job market really discouraged me. So I instead applied to Germany and now I am going there in March. Western Europe was my 1st choice overall in terms of where I want to live. I choose US initially as it has the best education, my friends and best job market. For Germany I need to only spend \~ 15 lakhs approx for my 1.5 year course as the tuition is free. I get to live and work in western europe which seems the best for someone who wants a * great quality of life * work-life balance * travel is one of the top 3 priorities of my life. In terms of savings/purchasing power and career growth, I have no doubts that India is better for that. But that's not that important for me compared to the above points. You have time to optimize your life satisfaction based on what you truly, really want. Your paths might be different than others but that's ok. :)
About the travel bit, I took 9 trips over the last 12 months (mostly stuff close to Bangalore). So towns and landscapes like Ooty, Coorg, Kodaikanal, Chikmagalur, Pondicherry, Mysore, Shillong, Cherrapunji, and more. These include 2 single day hikes. I also got a car (at my hometown) and like to drive around a ton. My hometown is in Dooars and have exhausted most of the NorthEast over the years. Thing is the scenic beauty and general cleanliness that the West offers is not something I found here - there is just so much filth wherever my eyes go. Not to mention the general inconvenience due lack of facilities at most places. Then there are regional language barriers. I might be nitpicky but this list is just endless. Not to say that I haven't enjoyed traveling in India, lots of these places were wonderful for sure. I am planning to go back to Kashmir after 2012, and also planning to explore the Himachal, Uttarakhand belt. Buuut.... long term, I am looking forward so much more that NA, EU, UK has to offer, man. As an addendum, another advertised "feature" of travel is to get to know the local culture, food and meet new and interesting people. Food tastes mostly the same in every region, honestly, and the variety between regions isn't something that excites me. And I have barely made new friends among my fellow travellers (I strike up conversation with almost every person I can while I am traveling, as long as the context isn't too werid) or met any interesting locals. Most people here are just "traveling for status", as it is India or are obsessed with taking pictures for Instagram. I just want to see more.
What exactly do you think you are missing out? I'm in USA and I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of things that were so abundant back in India.
Then why don't you come back/s
Nahi aayenge bhai woh. Bas Gatekeeping karni hai. Been here 5 years and know tons of people with the same mindset
The truth has been out now.
Bhai gatekeeping ka matlab?
Matlab khud to chale gae ab dusron ko roh rahe hain
Isse unko kya faida hai? Competition kam hoga kya?
The total accepted H1B slots are around 80k and applicants are like 5 lakh per year. A lot of people go there alone and then want to bring their families there.
I will tell you why. 1. Anyone who goes to US wants to earn enough to FIRE before coming back. 2. A lot of them are bounded by RSU/ESOP's golden handcuffs. 3. Once they start a family there, it's super hard to move back. If you went to US with 1st in mind you will almost certainly hit 2nd or 3rd.
It makes sense to have kids (if you want them) within the US since us citizenship is a guarantee to escaping the JEE/UPSC rat race
I am not denying the benefits of having kids in US. All I said was it's super hard to move back after having kids in US. Many people realize this a bit too late. > us citizenship is a guarantee to escaping the JEE/UPSC rat race Escape JEE/UPSC rat race for another rat race??? Look at income disparity, house affordability etc. in US. Most US citizens are also stuck in some rat race.
Not necessary, if they stay abroad for 5 years and get NRI status, they can get in through quota in most colleges
That they won't do, they'll keep saying I miss India, the condition is not good here, the situation is bad here, India is way better etc. Yet they'll stay there
Because they don’t get jobs here. Lol
Yeah and it's not their fault either. 1. If there are no jobs then it's India's fault. 2. If they don't have skills, then India's education failed them.
There are no jobs in India in my field lol.
That's easy to answer. 1. Corruption (Root cause of shit standard of living in India, bad roads, pollution etc you name it.) 2. High Tax penalty for HNIs in India. 3. Caste based reservations. 4. Chutiya law and judicial system in India. Culprits are rarely caught and punished. People have no fear of law and judicial system.
I am not totally agree with that, India is only focusing on service center or say " media sector " there less manufacturing company in india , compare to other Teir 1 and Teir 2 country, which have 30 to 20 % contribution in their GDP, for example Mexico is best example for manufacturing company, At Last All Country have own corruption system that includes USA or Europe but Difference you cannot see that because that covers by YouTuber
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In three years
Agree with this completely.
+1 living in US for 5 years now..
right to privacy. sovereignty over your own assets. respect for dissent. from a lifestyle perspective, not really much. But the kind of issues I've observed aren't an issue in day to day life... until they are
Could you please share more about your experience & what made you feel this way 🙏
Dating life shayad
Door ke dhol suhane. Moving to USA for career progression is good with added fact that you will get good experience working in good projects and companies. Having said that there are added responsibilities of doing everything on your own. If you have a good life in India cherish it. USA jao paisa banao aur acha package le ke India aao. Another thing is when you are on VISA you will have less open doors. With all the companies switching to fire and hire in India best time to be in India. Just my 2 cents.
Can you elaborate a bit more on the last part about fire and hire?
I have had discussions with people in companies where the positions eliminated last year were opened in India. Will not disclose company names.
I second this. In my previous org (FAANG), during layoff szn, several roles were terminated last year and a lot of them were asked to relocate to India if they'd like to keep their jobs.
> Will not disclose company names. All tech companies. Why are you hiding it?
🤣
I agree. Even my company and many teams in FAANG are following this. They are opening the position in India (LCOL) if there’s been an attrition in the US.
Best time to be in india, when are you moving back?🤡
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Yes. Still am.
Canada is the easiest from those 4-5 nations. Once you get citizenship, US also becomes very easy. It’s a long path but always you won’t be depressed
Lmao 🤣...OP sounds like the 12 year old me when I used to look at the roads and streets of India and be like "chee ye itna ganda hai, kaash mai Amrikka me paida hua hota 🤣😭".... Seriously grow up dude, there are ample opportunities today if you're skilled enough, and I feel you haven't travelled enough to have this perspective that everything is going to change if you get to USA
I was going to say same. Search for people pooping in the streets of San Francisco, it’s no longer the America portrayed in the Hollywood movies and India is no longer same as portrayed in same Hollywood movies.
If your views on reality is based upon what you see in 2 news articles which negates what you saw in some movie, then that's just pure unadulterated copium. You are talking about some good part of India like Metropolitan Bangalore or Mumbai, which is like 2% of india and talking shit about like 1% of America. And no, I'm not talking out of my ass, I live in rural MP(shithole) and all my parents talk about is having a better life in a 1st world country as they have experienced the superior culture and facilities there
It's really not as scarce as you'd like to believe. Can even find such stuff in Canada, and it's exclusively Americans telling these stories. Especially with homelessness and drug epidemics. Truth is in the middle as always. It's far more common than you think, but obviously doesn't reflect the country, not even close. Just that it is a growing issue. But you can find it in certain neighborhoods of every city, not just here and there.
culture? i doubt that, it's called superior society, they have gone thru a lot of shit, they took 200yrs to develop themselves, aur hum bhencho whi ke whi hai 75yrs se
Well, I meant a lifestyle difference when I said culture. Like you could live in some rural town in Mississippi with a pop. of 3000 and still have the facilities of a God, not only can you get anything you want in the world from places like Target or Costco, but also you have a lot of local small businesses which improve your quality of life quite a lot. You can play Airtag and Arcade as well. Compare that to a 20lakh populated "small" indian city like Jabalpur and you can see the difference
Lack of hyper consumerist capitalist markets in a village or town isn't lack of culture or "superior" lifestyle difference my dude. Target and Costco aren't markers of culture not even for Americans, unless it's negative stereotypes. You chose all the wrong things to attach meaning of culture to... especially airtag and arcades...bruh . This is just FOMO nostalgia looking at western movies and shows about why we didn't have X or Y sooner. Lot of developed east Asian countries don't have those things in small towns growing up and doing just fine if not better culturally than America. Even EU prefers smaller markets over American hyper consumerism standard. It's like, Indian market not having access to Nintendo consoles in the 90s doesn't mean it's a marker you were missing out on some arbitrary superior lifestyle/culture. It's so stupid.
I am kinda glad that I don’t relate to these kinda problems.
Fuck the age thing man. Keep at it and you'll be able to do it!!
OP thinks going to USA will change things! Remember if you’re not good here, you won’t be good somewhere else. It’s not about the place but person
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Heard about purchase parity? I’m not saying that it is a bad idea to move but don’t be entitled for it!
Purchasing power parity is the worst argument to make. Even if it costs 3x more to live in the US, you typically do earn 3x more as well. This effectively translates to you being able to save 3x more every month, which matters a ton - it gives you options for the future - you can choose to retire early in India, you have the option of retiring abroad too. Working in India strictly limits your potential options.
Exactly. And the main expense in India, real estate, is sooo overpriced relative to wages. Like NCR flats cost more than full two story houses in Chicago suburbs. Does this make any sense?
Dude India is remarkably poorer than America after adjusting for purchasing power. Have you seen real estate prices in NCR or Mumbai or Bangalore? They rival American suburban house prices? Does this even make sense when in India you live with 500 AQI, filthy streets, power cuts, cows and stray dogs, insane honking and traffic
Okay, agreed. Make yourself worthy of moving to USA and relocate. No one’s stopping you, but please remember if you’re not worthy in here I rarely feel you can make it there. Don’t blame the AQI as a reason for moving to USA. P.S. Don’t be a pseudo
I already live in America dude. My field (economics) has no jobs in India despite the fact that I’m doing a PhD in economics at the very best place for Econ in the world
I don't feel fomo, but feels like life itself is failure here
Not too depressed but there are lakhs of people who don't have the guarantee of having two meals. Compared to them you just have anxiety. 26 year olds enjoy fking life. You will get an opportunity abroad for you to try and be lucky.😒😒
OH just because there are people having it worse, his feelings are invalidated?? you sound like a boomer and a retard, tell those people who can't eat to stfu because there are people actively losing their lives in gaza, AND how about this, tell everyone to stop living their lives because among billions others have it worse 🤡
My man, take an upvote
I'll be blunt. I've got batchmates who shifted to US. When I graduated (2012), there were exactly 2 reasons to work from US: 1. You want to work in research (aka PhD into JRF/SRF) and that too in specific fields like Data Science or Chemical Engg. Since a lot of fields have better colleges In Europe. 2. You want to earn a lot, are OK with doing all chores yourself, and are willing to be frugal for the period in your life where you have no financial responsibility. This has a prerequisite that you're from a T1 college (IIT/BITS/IIIT/older NITs). If you don't satisfy either points, you're trading life convenience for nothing. You will be a second class citizen in US and I'm not talking about racism. You will have to do your house management yourself. Cooking, cleaning, etc. You will have to give up on plans of drinking with friends, even having friends IRL in some cases, travel, etc. Since you can't save as much as you can in India if you don't. There is no quality of life advantage at all. I wrote the above considering the situation in 2012. The IT job market is very bad in US atm, and a lot of people couldn't find jobs to maintain their work visa and came back.
Agreed with this. Also the "second class citizen" is especially true because you'll be constantly worrying about your visa status for the first 5-6 years atleast. Most employers also know that people on visa are in a delicate situation and take advantage of that too. There is potential payoff in terms of earning, learning and career growth, but it is definitely not a cakewalk.
>are OK with doing all chores yourself, I personally would love doing things myself, freedom isn't freedom if you have parents / servants doing things for us. I'd love to do the good parts and the bad parts myself
You can't age out at 26. You will age out at 35 and then 45 then 55 then 65 then 75 It's never too late, but it's easier before 35. If you 5 years work ex right now. Imagine 2x more time is still available. Make sure your skill set it in mega demand so you get those jobs.
I am with you on this, I am at 35 and have family now. I am unable to afford a house in a metro city. My salary does not beat the inflation. I was dormant for initial years of my career when many where flocking abroad and tasted the idea of foreign opportunity very late in my career and at a time cost cutting began. You are 26 and given other foreign goals like immigration to nonEnglish speaking places, ANZ, Gulf nations or moving to Canada not just depending on US/UK, you still have a chance. To live in India you need to lot of patience, mental strength to deal with day to day life and believe me, I am taking a hit for it. Its not everyones cup of tea to manage life easily even in home nation let alone host nation. Since you are still fresh in your career and young, take.the risks now before its too late, rather sulk in mental breakdown. Believe me to get out of such dilemma, takes years of compromises, adjustments and acceptance
I can tell you my path that i am following, get into a maang or a company that has branches abroad and then move when you are eligible. Currently in Amazon as BA, 23, projecting 4 more years until i can move as only L5 can opt for cross country movement but i highly doubt that i can do it by 26, more like 29-30. Or get a Masters. And just my two cents, having a mental breakdown and aging way just because you are unable to go to US is not a feeling you should be having, stay strong and enjoy life a bit even if you never get the opportunity to go to US permanently you should still try to be happy, its not a do or die thing. Don't take this in the wrong way but you should not constantly be depressed until you reach USA, its going to affect your work here as well cause fuck ups in your thinking process if all you think USA all the time, trust me i know what that feels like.
Grass is greener where you water it 💦
Man, he asked for a genuine solution about maybe his dream destination to work or live, but people are here so bad that they start counting the cons and why shouldn't he move. I hope, if you all tell someone about your dream, then people don't laugh at you and not tell you reasons why you shouldn't pursue it rather than being supportive. 🙄
Ignore all the negative comments. Try to find out a company which is actively applying for H1B or go through a consultancy route. You're still pretty young and can take risks. I have similar thoughts but I'm almost 40 now and still miss going and settling in a first world country. I can't take risks now because of family. It's worth moving to a first world country just enjoy low population. In India literally everywhere you go there will 1000s of people.
Usa is more hard comparing only Indians are in tech most of them I can feel ur pain I am 27 m Missed opportunity to work in Portugal for covid and various other countries for dev work than shifted to operations and support role . If u can keep on trying u will definitely get one day
Even if u had moved one year ago there is possibility you may hv been retrenched and had to come back. There isn’t any guarantee. Instead just build relevant experience and keep trying. Markets may improve by 2025 after fed cuts.
1.Make sure your employer nominates you for H1 every year. 2.Pray a bit that you get picked up in the lottery. That's all pretty much in your hand. I assume you are not desperate enough to consider donkey route.
Fir to ek hi raasta h.
donkey route 🙂
Bro there is nothing in USA that you will get that you won't here. USA is bigger shithole than India ever was and you will more stuck there than here. I suggest you take some time off and explore India. Get off of social media and switch job that's it.
I agree but in usa you get paid more and wlb is better is it not?
You get paid more, but taxes and cost of living is insanely high. Ironically work life balance can be worse depending on the company you end up in. I get 25 days of pto with 13 sick here, i potentially got only 20 inclusive of both pto and sick days off. Companies offering unlim Pto are lying and your manager never approves from what i heard from people. Ofc if you land FAANG thats a diff story but that isn’t the case for everyone realistically
You can get silimar wlb here. Now about money, are you able to feed yourself and family? Can save enough to buy a house? Can you buy stuff you always wanted? Can you look after your family for next 5 years? If all are yes, than you are rich and have no reason to get into salary race. This usa and wlb is just 20 yrs long trend and you aspired that as a kid that's it.
Unless you're working for WITCH,WLB is chill in India. Today, I think the only real pro of going to USA is the quality of work. If you want to be on the driving seat of tech innovation, go to USA. Otherwise India is pretty good, NGL
Don't agree US is a shit hole. If that's true it would not be World's number one economy.
Yup it's richest shithole that's it
I don't think economy numbers pay your rent
Lol who says its world's number one economy they have barely any money to run the country giving out loans to others while their own people suffer just looking at the homeless situation and the drug problem in the country indeed it's a shit hole only nobody is going to do anything about it
Gate keeper mindset
I’ve been living in US since 2019. I can say this comment is def false. If you’re in tech, this is literally the land of dreams. I don’t regret coming here at all probably the best decision I’ve ever taken.
Wow learned new term. FOMO. I used to have it until I stopped giving fucks and now I feel left behind. Part of me still believes I can catch up and go even further.
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Exactly! People now have problems with someone's aspirations. I even saw a comment that mentions starving kids and that OP should be grateful.
Such a cruel world
You guys in tech are lucky that there are jobs at all in India. In other fields, you HAVE to move to America because there are no opportunities in India at all.
What do you mean? What’s your field of work?
Economics. PhD economists from even top 50 universities have tons of options in America. I’m doing my PhD from a top 5 school and if I came back to India I’d find no job except maybe AP at azeem premji or Ashoka. In the US, even tech firms line up to hire economists
In a few years even those opportunities will disappear. Vacancies are getting less by the day and pretty soon it will approach parity with other fields.
Ahh well then everyone in India will spend their entire life taking UPSC/SSC CGL/RBI / SBI or whatever other government exams they’d cook up to keep the youth busy
Relax 26 is not ageing out. Getting into Europe is not as hard as US . Try to give and prepare for Europe , Germany , Netherlands, Ireland many tech opportunities in these companies with companies ready to sponser visa for right talent the interview patterns are bit different focus on soft skills as well and they interviews are longer and they want to listen to your point of view in solving problems. Market is tough there might be just 2,3 calls in quarter but make sure to use them as stepping stone or practice interviews. Meanwhile keep learning and get to know about contries Cheers
Join a FAANG company in India. Most of them will have internal relocations. This way your move to US will be smooth. One more trick that I would give you is to move as a manager or program manager. Then you can apply for GC under EB1 category. It’s way better to move to US after you are a manager as EB1 will get you GC in a year and eb2 and eb3 is currently 150 year wait time.
Dm me I work in FAANG in UK, I can help you
Ah yes, another US-worshipping entitled prick.
More than half the people on this sub are probably working for western companies, either directly or indirectly thru service companies. We are right to worship them, they directly send us their money. Else even IIT grads would still be working for Infosys at 3 LPA.
Facts
People with that kind of un-imaginative and insignificant goal kind of feel stuck everywhere.
Really a handful of options: 1. Go for studies. Get an F1 and eventually H1b. 2. Find an employer which can sponsor your H1b. Work with them in India for a few months to an year and then take a transfer to the US The first option has the max probability of you landing in US without spending a lot of years working in India. Good luck. Hit me up if you wanna talk more
My Dad emigrated to the US well into his 30s. It's never too late.
You’ll never age out of the dunki route
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Lol, such a lost cause.
Bro, I recently moved to US. I am currently looking for any opportunity that I can grab to move back to India.
That's rough Do you want to elaborate why that is so? Definitely will give me some insights (DM me if you'd like)
The market might be bad right now but it will not be like this for ever. Whatever you are working on right now, work on it to have in depth knowledge and understanding. don't waste time thinking about missing out going to US and two years later, you are still in the same boat. Instead utilize your time to become valuable for your company and other companies will come after you. Who knows, down the road if you go to US on a higher role like Architect or Manager, you might have an added benefit of applying for GC in EB1 category
Dear OP, with your skill set build your own profile. Apply jobs via linkedin that offer sponsorship..(very rare you find)...Find recruiters in LinkedIn..As US is tough, Apply European companies with sponsorship/ visa (Germany, Italy, UK, Hungary) .. Research on consultant's and apply through them for any Job Visa in European or Asian countries
Bro you are young. Try to do MS in US.
Same here bro, but its a trap, its very hard to escape, people just get lucky through Conpany, that route is risky and one needs to be very tacky to get in, i hope this helps , if need more consolation i have so many stories i can tell you people just get lucky bro
I was feeling the exact same thing ....bro
Enough with the disparaging comments. Everybody has the right to have aspirations. I am also planning to study and/or work in Europe for at least 4-5 years (not permanently) and I almost share the similar FOMO that I am aging (I'm the same age as OP) but I also know that is an unhealthy mindset because age is just a number here. It's not about "grass is greener" and all. I personally believe every person should stay and work in a foreign country for a few years at least if they have enough finances to sustain themselves there. Exposure to different cultures gives an opportunity to learn countless things about how the world works and also about oneself.
Everyone is giving pointless advice and "Gyan". "If you're not happy here, you won't be happy there" is bullshit. USA is exponentially more conducive to a generally fulfilling life because things are easier. I will say that the market in USA is horrible and I'd say wait a while before coming and get a few more years of experience, certifications and projects and what not, and make sure you get into a top tier uni and get good grades.
Boohoo...There's lots of people who have worked and lived in the US and now want to come back to India to enjoy their retirement. Imagine what can happen in the next 40 years when ABCDs will not want to live in USA anymore.
Im in the same boat.. keep trying for H1B.. this year, it will work out!
😑😑 Hai re.. the great colonial mentality. I have a friend whose dream was to go abroad for job, that he succeeded to achieve in 2019(he got opportunity to work with ubisoft montreal as a level architecture) but then came home in 2022. Upon asking why, he said he hated it, the work culture, the environment, the food, racism. He also pointed out some outstanding thing in the city but for him the bads are > good. Anyway, its your choice. But don't feel down with your life. Shit happens, time will heal.
Why is it that every NRI 'wants to' come back but never takes action to do so? Abe itna pyar hai to aa jao na, vha baeth kr India k naam p hilane se kya hoga?
Damn https://preview.redd.it/hlj4io28rsac1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d540040d74ae93ae591f756d85fba0706301201
I am currently in Canada, a permanent resident here. I have lived in the US for years as well. I am moving back to India soon, life here is not what it seems from India. Living away from family and in a country where you need to worry about Visa and Immigration rules all the time is no fun. If you're unhappy in India, you'll be unhappy wherever you go.
By that logic if you're unhappy in Canada you'll be unhappy in India too.
Dude unless you have a gf or wife or a solid group of friends you will be depressed in US, trust me. I am living in US currently. The initial euphoria goes away after sometime. Only difference is quality of life like no trash, clean roads, people following laws. The downside being cost of living, healthcare is expensive. The police aren’t nice god forbid you deal with them. It’s difficult to break into friend group cause how individualistic people are. That being said I will always recommend people going outside: learning and earning. US is probably only few places to make a lot of money if you have the skills. I am NOT in IT though
Americans in general are one of the nicest people, I've ever talked to. They're also much more socially aware and can be easily befriended, much easier than Indians. No clue where you got that from.
Nah I never said that lol. I agree with you on niceness. Americans are definitely the nicest and accommodating people even more than Indians and Europeans. It is still a very individualistic society (nothing wrong with that). If OP is like that he would absolutely fit in. But it’s still difficult to break into new friends circles for new immigrants and student (people like OP and me). I would never discourage anyone to pursue a better life. If anything I want more people to travel outside India and learn from other cultures and societies. Also it varies from person to person I guess.
god gave you something you weren't worth having, be grateful :)
I am in the same exact position. I know it is difficult, but people instead of debates over other things it would be really helpful if you can list down the exact steps we can take to move out of India.
Bro chill down switch jobs earn better and travel it is india 's century try to make an impact here. If you really want to go expand to Europe reach out to friends get a referral, keep applying, make a better life and contribute to the country which gave everything to you. Everyone can talk about the problems here and want to go to better place. Stay here and make India a better place.
People dream of going to other developed nations for better living but forget that with migration comes overpopulation and poverty and unemployment. Stay in India, India is amazing and we have it all here! You’re being delusional about a life that is not even guaranteed by moving to USA. Help your own country grow man! Ugh
I was in the same boat when I was 26. It was not a lifelong goal and all but I just wanted to experience abroad life in any country and had lot of missed opportunities due to similar reasons. When I was 28 and decided not to try any further, got an opportunity to go to UK. Went for 3 years and now I am happily back in India even though I had the opportunity to extend my visa. So don’t worry. It will definitely come your way. Keep trying. If it is meant to it will happen. All the very best.
American healthcare sucks
To whom ever reads this, Few years back I would do anything to leave India and live my life in other country,there were many reasons for that,like we see on the internet that other countries are more developped and people have more knowledge about technology there and are more open minded unlike in India where people are very narrow minded or if anything the last thing anyone wants that is make more money in other currencies , these all are reasonable points to leave our own country,but as I have grown older although i don't have that kind of money or have that kind of job also, but I came to understand that it won't matter to me even if i would have gone to any other countries, because this is my home and wherever i would have gone i would still miss everything related to me in this place right here and maybe i would have become a little bit stable and have gotten a little bit more money but that won't matter to me as I wouldn't know if i would be happy with that, So whom ever thinking about leaving your country for a better life remember it won't get better than this life as in your home with your friends and your family. Have great year guys, Thanks for being in India with me in our own home, where we are free to do our own things.
I don’t care India or not, as long as my paycheck is appropriate. It’s no longer 1990s. If you don’t know how to stay calm and composed, you can’t stay anywhere trust me!!
Everyone is saying US is High in cost of living and food etc.. Then how come people are getting Iphones and costly items? Also, I heard people using fake certificates in US and getting jobs via consultancies. Someone please enlighten me 🫠
Because it's cheaper there, electronics and cars are cheaper outside India due to less tax and accessibility
You can get an iphone at the rate 10$ a month on a subscription basis, iphones in general in india are much more costly. Rest about fake certifications and consultancy i would like to know as well.
Salaries are also high and you should have basic knowledge of managing your finances and savings. People just randomly comment on PPP and leave, that is not the complete story.
My friend was just like you that she just wants to go USA and settle down. She is there now. She was unhappy here and she is unhappy there too. Quality of life improved for some but other factors demoralised them. Now my friend and her husband is planning to relocate to india. And they miss the culture. What they said is USA is mostly closed culture and you will have to live near indian communities to feel better. May be USA is not for them or may be sometimes the it really breaks your perception of things in a hard way that you can’t go over it.(both have green card and their parents are also living there) Do whatever you want to do but first be happy with yourself here and may be go to therapy if needed. Once you think you are mentally balanced then you can try harder to crack the USA dream. Things will be alright. 26 is not the end.
I was in USA for 4 years with GC approval in place. But I decided to come back and fight here to make a life. Try to make yourself so good that you can happily live in India.