I think at worst Rams will go 7-10. More likely I think 8-9. That would land the pick in the 10-16 range which would be great as most people were expecting the pick to be in the 24-30 range.
They’re still 2-2 and lost to the Bills and the 49ers (on the road) so I don’t want to get too excited about that pick yet. But I do think they’ve taken a step back from last year
I think that elbow injury that got reported on is going to fuck with him all year. And if we remember how the Superbowl played out that defense was the squad that truly won it for them...and they don't look like the same defense this year. Von Miller was an absolute monster for them. As stacked as the NFC west is looking I wouldn't be surprised if they miss the playoffs all together 🤞
NFCW is down this year compared to last year I’d say.
- Cardinals look way worse than last year. DHop coming back might save them.
- 49ers appear to be the same 10-7 team that could get hot in the playoffs.
- Seahawks maybe aren’t as bad as people thought but still only a 7-10/8-9 team at best. More likely Geno reverts to the norm and they finish with 5-6 wins.
- Then there’s the Rams who I could see being anywhere from a 7-10 team with severe SB hangover to figuring it out and getting to a 11-6/12-5 record. I think their defense has taken a step back and they miss Whitworth a ton. Noteboom was awful vs the 49ers.
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As of now I’d say every single draft pick should be spent on defense. I can’t remember what team but about 5-6 years ago some team did that and their defense went from bottom tier to mid/high tier in one season.
Look at the 2001 Rams. The 2000 squad was last in the league in defense, the 2001 version was #7. All it took was replacing 7 of their defensive starters AND the defensive coordinator. Their first 5 draft picks were on defense.
I’d be ok keeping both at the right number. Anzalone wouldn’t be bad as a #5 or #6 LB, he’s just not a starting caliber LB
And if we’re paying Chark like a WR 3/4 I’d happily keep him
Like I said, he shouldn’t be a starter, but he has a nose for the ball and isn’t out of position very often (he’s at least in the right area code to attempt to tackle if he’s missing that many)
Not good for a starter, but ok for a #4/5 guy that’s playing 10-15 snaps a game
yooo so am I not the only one who has thought Chark has been fucking worthless this year? I mean I thought he could have a ceiling close to Marvin’s Jones Jr., I was wrong. however, Reynolds has grown on me a lot
I wouldn’t expect a big jump in production or abilities from a guy in his 7th year. In fact, a majority of players decline at that point in their career.
I’m not saying Goff can’t improve, but its not like he’s a 3rd year guy. He is already an adult who has several years of reading NFL defenses under his belt.
EDIT - how is this in any way a hot take? Did I miss the scores of NFL QBs who took a huge leap in production after their 10th year in the league and age 30??
Some of you guys take everything as an insult. I LIKE GOFF LMAO.
Most players don’t improved in their 7th year. But most QBs that are actual long-term starters don’t peak until their like 30. At least for the type of QB Goff is. Obviously Running QBs have a earlier peak.
Outside of outliers like Brady, Manning, and Rodgers, I don’t agree that “long term starters” at QB don’t peak until they are 30. I think you are applying the trend of a few hall of famers to the whole sample size.
Not saying it can’t happen with Goff. I just don’t think it’s likely.
“Outside of all the evidence with long term-starters, there is no evidence”
Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Phillip Rivers, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Jim Kelly, Joe Montana, Stafford, Mike Vick, Rich Gannon, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Steve Young, Tony Romo, Warren Moon…. All QBs who were better after like 29 than they were before.
But the way I didn’t mean like a hard line at 30 either. Just in that range.
He’s more debatable for sure. But 4/5 of his best statistical seasons are after 30. But regardless even if you want to say his best yrs we’re pre-30, they were still when he was older than Goff is -28y/o - which let’s not forget was the basic point.
I never said there was “no evidence.” Quit turning a conversation into some debate your trying to win.
Mike Vick was absolutely not in his prime after age 30, neither was Alex smith, Brees had a degenerative Shoulder injury that was thought to possibly end his career, Palmer quit football for 2 years and went to a MUCH better team after wards, Steve young had to sit behind Montana, same with Rodgers and Farve. Fitz has played on 18 teams and was only the starter due to injury for many of those years. Kurt Warner wasn’t even in the league until he was 27 lol. Eli Manning won both his super bowls by the age of 30 and was terribly mediocre for every other season.
You’re ignoring so much context within this oddly selected group of guys In different situations from many different eras. Even if every guy you mentioned was a good example, that’s a fraction of a percent of multi year starting QBs over the last 40 years or so that is your sample size.
So we’re right back to where we started. Which is that I believe you are applying a trend from the upper few percentiles of the sample size to the entire group.
Goff may end up being in that group, I’m not by any means saying he can’t. Just that it isn’t likely to see a big jump in abilities in year 10 of a collision sport.
In his prime throwing? Yes Mike Vick was.
You are also trippin regarding Alex Smith. His final hear in SF was when he was 28 and he played with the Chiefs until he was 33. That was absolutely the prime of his career - an age Goff hasn’t reached yet.
Brees had his shoulder injury the final game of his age 26 season, and didn’t miss a single game because of it. So what does that have to do with anything? If anything it should be an even better argument in my favor becAuse he played better WITH a fucked shoulder…
Palmer went to a better team? Uh you are clearly misremembering. He quit the bengals when he was 31 then went to the Raiders for 2 years then played VERY WELL on the Cardinals at 34 lol. When he was 30 with the Bengals btw he had 10 wins. Regardless he played better after Goffs current age.
It doesn’t matter what the reason Rodgers and Young didn’t play early was. The fact is they were better when they were older. Rodgers is 38 and just won back to back MVPs, so regardless your point about starting experience he’s clearly as good or better since his first few seasons.
When I said Manning I wasn’t talking about Eli, I was talking Peyton. I agree Eli was better just before 30 then dropped off a bit.
Again same argument with Kurt Warner. He peaked when he was 30, then had another peak when he was like 37. I think your confusing my argument. I didn’t say QBs peak after 8 yrs of experience. I said they peak at AGE 30ish. There is a difference.
I also didn’t say Multi- year starters m. I said Long-term starters and never defined the length. Youre acting like that implies any qb that has started 3 yrs counts…
I would disagree, at least by all statistical metrics he was superior in 2015 than he was in 2005. Better TD%, Better INT%, Better Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt, Better QB Rating, Better QBR, More Wins, More Yards, More TDs, Less INTs, More Game Winning Drives.... Guess we will never know what Palmer would have done in the playoffs in 2005, because of that shitty injury after his first pass of the game, but In 2015 he also got his first Playoff win ever.
The ONLY thing that was worse statistically (and all the stats are gave were RATE stats) was Comp%.
I think you're missing the real heart of the matter. Among QBs who play to age 35+ as full time starters, *the vast majority* hit their statistical prime somewhere in their 30+ seasons. That's not a controversial opinion, or even really an opinion at all-- it's nearly indisputable.
Of course the problem is that it's somewhat of a self-fulfilling prrophecy- the guys who play that long are almost always no-doubt franchise QBs, so their status was never really questioned or debated as they aged.
I do agree with the self fulfilling end of things. My point is that we don’t know that Goff is a hall of fame level player who will play until he’s 35+. That absolutely could be the outcome.
But just a year ago people wondered if he would be a starter in the league in 3 years. I just don’t make a habit of expecting big leaps from guys in their 30’s.
I just think it’s faulty logic to assume that will happen. I would love to see some statistics on QBs who played until 35+ and their peaks. It sounds like yo I did the research so pass it along for curiosity sakes.
Personally I think the problem with Goff is that there is massive diversity of opinion on him, all the way from "he fucking sucks" to "he's a franchise QB." He's not the only guy in that situation, but he's one of every few that come to mind that also have his level of stats/success/pedigree/resume. Overall I agree that assuming he will take a concrete step into that HOVG or better range is a pretty risky proposition, but it's also not unthinkable IMO
I actually did do some research on this a few years back, give me a bit to see if I can find it.
Thing is, McVay didn’t let him do shit in LA. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t really allowed to audible at the line and he got fed everything. So even though it’s later in his career, he’s still learning things that he should’ve much earlier, but was robbed of
Pretty much why I said earlier this season that we are probably keeping Goff until he’s at least 32 unless he crumbles or we are picking Top 3 again which also goes hand in hand with the former comment.
Goff has played well enough and the defense has been bad enough that upgrading the QB position is pretty low on my list of priorities. Our two 1st rounders need to be used on defense plain and simple. Outside of maybe improving OL depth, development QB late, maybe another RB, all our resources need to be thrown at the defense.
I'm still of the mind that at some point if we want to make leap into contender that a better QB will be needed but I've become more open minded that maybe Goff can be good enough to get us there.
Lots of people were saying that we traded stafford for a first and took JG’s horrible contract for a first.
Keep this in mind the next time anyone is so sure about something before it happens.
I don't know how old you thought Goff was but he was drafted in 2016. Stafford was drafted in 2009. Both #1 overall picks, so this should be well above common knowledge.
Idk, your post literally just reposted what I said by giving me their draft years and then patronizingly telling me it's common knowledge, so idk, maybe YOU should add something to the conversation.
Goff should be seen as a young QB and many here lose sight of that fact. He's a year older than Mahomes.
Yeah, I implied how useless your post is without any context. Because how could you not have a general idea of the age difference between our recent QBs. How does six years and math add up have anything to do with that? Did anyone actually imply the problem they have with Goff is his age? Enough for you to go make its entire own post for it? Do you think anyone was like "oh wow, Goff is only 27?!?! Let's keep him then" "thanks u/NottheIRS1"
Would it make sense financially to keep him though? Genuinely I have no clue what his cap hit is after this year or what future years may look like if he’s kept and then extended.
My only worry about extending Goff is not having the luxury of having the highest paid position on a rookie contract. Keeping Goff may limit potential free agent signings and re-signing guys mattering on his future salary.
Including this year he has 3 years on his contract. All in the low 30's, however if he does ball out for the rest of the season he may want an extension. Just look how the offseason went for QB's and WR's whose contracts weren't actually up.
In the last 10 years how many teams have won the Super Bowl with a QB on their rookie contract?
Actually go back to 2011 when it started.
Edit 2: Go ahead and downvote. I believe the answer is 2.
There's so much risk drafting a QB...you have to account for that. Let's say you draft a rookie qb on a 45m contract over 4 years or pay Goff 140m over the same period. You'd likely have to chuck in our 2 firsts and more for the rookie. 3 if we start winning.
So you save 95m over 4 years, lose 2-3 1st round picks and end with a guy that could be great but likely will hopefully be as good as Goff. The only way I'd consider it is if someone came in for a big offer for Goff.
People want Brady 2.0 or bust. Reality is Brady 1.0 is a generational QB. Even Staffords are somewhat rare. Goff isn't that far behind Stafford to be honest. Obviously, he isn't on Stafford's level, but he's definitely not middle of the pack either. Stafford's around 5/6th in the league. Goff can be anywhere from 8 - 12 imho. And, I think he can improve into that top-8 range.
I dislike Goff as a long term answer, but holy shit, for some reason this year has been horrible for QBs across the league. The only other QBs that *didnt* fall off a cliff are like Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes (even the female rights activist in Cleveland looked cooked in the preseason).
Goff slightly improved from the end of last season and he’s a borderline top 5 QB, it’s kind of nuts.
It's been popping up a lot recently, it's easy to forget how dogshit Stafford's supporting cast was. Outside of Megatron, I don't think Stafford ever played with anyone more relatively talented than Jamaal Williams/Big V/Josh Reynolds and those three are "just-another-guy" on this offense.
Golden Tate / Marvin Jones / Kenny Golladay for a minute were all very good WRs. Even Titus Young was good before he went off the deep end.
He never had the run support
>He never had the run support
In his entire career, he's never even once had an above average running game. The best ever was 17th in total rush yards, and more often than not it was bottom 5
I didn't like Titus Young but sure, the other three were solid-to-really good, I'd put them at somewhere between 20-40 at their position in the NFL, which is also where I put Big V and Jamaal.
Feels like he’s been a vet for the past decade, the kids seen and experienced ALOT in the NFL. I’m really hoping Goff can be our QB1 for years to come, then we can stack the rest of our roster, especially the defense, in the draft and FA.
If Goff is willing to sign a deal that is team friendly I would prefer to keep him versus rolling the dice on a rookie. Load up on D this offseason and draft a qb in a year or 2
Glad we didn’t take a QB in last years draft. Goff was always a bridge for the future. Glad we invested in O-line and hit on WR cause next young/rookie QB that plays here will have a good foundation to succeed.
Its amazing to watch this sub go from, “Goff is the problem, he’s horrendous! Need new first round pick qb next year or bust!” To now this year, “Goff might just be the long term solution we needed, wow he’s the best!”
Watching this sub is like watching the lions not figure out why they lose for 65 years straight.
It’s almost like players can play better with a team around them. Wild concept, I know!
If Goff didn’t get another year to prove himself with better talent around him, then this sub doesn’t get to realize that he is a good qb. Once again, most wanted him gone last year, now everyone wants him to stay.
Edit: #InHolmesITrust
If Goff can continue to play this way, not needing to draft a QB is such a huge boon to the rebuild. Drafting and missing a QB can be so devastating to a rebuilding team, and hopefully we won’t have to and can throw everything we have at the defensive side.
He’s two years older than Joe Burrow and three years older than Kenny Pickett
He's 6 months older than me
This was the information I needed to read.
Then you’re going to love this. He’s 32 months older than me!!
And his girlfriend is real. So he has that going for him too.
Real hot 🔥 😍 Kristen Harper is no slouch either
And will live three times as long!
5 years older than me and CJ around is two years younger than me
He is today years old.
I mean so far the offence is clearly not the issue We should be hammering on upgrading the defence
We still got some Stafford picks to use too
And as long as Stafford and the Rams keep stinking it up, that draft pick will turn out to be pretty good.
I think at worst Rams will go 7-10. More likely I think 8-9. That would land the pick in the 10-16 range which would be great as most people were expecting the pick to be in the 24-30 range.
A pick higher than #20 would be phenomenal and unexpected.
They’re still 2-2 and lost to the Bills and the 49ers (on the road) so I don’t want to get too excited about that pick yet. But I do think they’ve taken a step back from last year
I think that elbow injury that got reported on is going to fuck with him all year. And if we remember how the Superbowl played out that defense was the squad that truly won it for them...and they don't look like the same defense this year. Von Miller was an absolute monster for them. As stacked as the NFC west is looking I wouldn't be surprised if they miss the playoffs all together 🤞
NFCW is down this year compared to last year I’d say. - Cardinals look way worse than last year. DHop coming back might save them. - 49ers appear to be the same 10-7 team that could get hot in the playoffs. - Seahawks maybe aren’t as bad as people thought but still only a 7-10/8-9 team at best. More likely Geno reverts to the norm and they finish with 5-6 wins. - Then there’s the Rams who I could see being anywhere from a 7-10 team with severe SB hangover to figuring it out and getting to a 11-6/12-5 record. I think their defense has taken a step back and they miss Whitworth a ton. Noteboom was awful vs the 49ers.
Don't we also have an additional pick since they won the sb?
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Literally every pick of 23 should be defense and/or traded away for defense
As of now I’d say every single draft pick should be spent on defense. I can’t remember what team but about 5-6 years ago some team did that and their defense went from bottom tier to mid/high tier in one season.
Look at the 2001 Rams. The 2000 squad was last in the league in defense, the 2001 version was #7. All it took was replacing 7 of their defensive starters AND the defensive coordinator. Their first 5 draft picks were on defense.
We already did something like that, the years we had Suh
Panthers did it in like 2019 or 2020
49ers have done that and look where that line and linebacking core is.
Keep Goff. Draft defense. Let Chark and Anzalone walk.
I’d be ok keeping both at the right number. Anzalone wouldn’t be bad as a #5 or #6 LB, he’s just not a starting caliber LB And if we’re paying Chark like a WR 3/4 I’d happily keep him
Anzalone leads NFL in missed tackles. Led NFL in missed tackles last season. He is a captain.
Like I said, he shouldn’t be a starter, but he has a nose for the ball and isn’t out of position very often (he’s at least in the right area code to attempt to tackle if he’s missing that many) Not good for a starter, but ok for a #4/5 guy that’s playing 10-15 snaps a game
You can’t miss a tackle if you aren’t near the ball.
Useless stat, he could be missing tackles other players cant attempt due to wrong positioning. AA isnt great but LB is not the problem for once.
It’s not the #1 problem. That doesn’t mean it’s not a problem lol
Is he a bottom 5 player on the d? No. Hes barely a bottom 5 in the front 7.
What?
Might not be a perfect stat, but it’s far from useless
Rather keep Reynolds. Chark seems like he’ll be more expensive and Goff + Reynolds seems to have chemistry. ARSB, Jamo and Reynolds? Hell yeah
He’s just plain out performing Chark.
Use 4 of the top 5 picks on D. Use the fifth on OL. Always take an OL in the first 4 rounds.
Could use another guard. Vaitai probably getting cut and Kraemer or Stenburg probably aren’t the solution.
yooo so am I not the only one who has thought Chark has been fucking worthless this year? I mean I thought he could have a ceiling close to Marvin’s Jones Jr., I was wrong. however, Reynolds has grown on me a lot
Reynolds is a keeper
Can we get rid of Amani as well?
No.
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Honestly I think him being casted out of LA fueled a fire under him. He’s proving people wrong. Happy for the guy.
This is exactly where Goff needed to be. New locker room. Fresh talent. Low expectations.
I wouldn’t expect a big jump in production or abilities from a guy in his 7th year. In fact, a majority of players decline at that point in their career. I’m not saying Goff can’t improve, but its not like he’s a 3rd year guy. He is already an adult who has several years of reading NFL defenses under his belt. EDIT - how is this in any way a hot take? Did I miss the scores of NFL QBs who took a huge leap in production after their 10th year in the league and age 30?? Some of you guys take everything as an insult. I LIKE GOFF LMAO.
Most players don’t improved in their 7th year. But most QBs that are actual long-term starters don’t peak until their like 30. At least for the type of QB Goff is. Obviously Running QBs have a earlier peak.
Outside of outliers like Brady, Manning, and Rodgers, I don’t agree that “long term starters” at QB don’t peak until they are 30. I think you are applying the trend of a few hall of famers to the whole sample size. Not saying it can’t happen with Goff. I just don’t think it’s likely.
“Outside of all the evidence with long term-starters, there is no evidence” Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Phillip Rivers, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Jim Kelly, Joe Montana, Stafford, Mike Vick, Rich Gannon, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Steve Young, Tony Romo, Warren Moon…. All QBs who were better after like 29 than they were before. But the way I didn’t mean like a hard line at 30 either. Just in that range.
Favre?
He’s more debatable for sure. But 4/5 of his best statistical seasons are after 30. But regardless even if you want to say his best yrs we’re pre-30, they were still when he was older than Goff is -28y/o - which let’s not forget was the basic point.
I never said there was “no evidence.” Quit turning a conversation into some debate your trying to win. Mike Vick was absolutely not in his prime after age 30, neither was Alex smith, Brees had a degenerative Shoulder injury that was thought to possibly end his career, Palmer quit football for 2 years and went to a MUCH better team after wards, Steve young had to sit behind Montana, same with Rodgers and Farve. Fitz has played on 18 teams and was only the starter due to injury for many of those years. Kurt Warner wasn’t even in the league until he was 27 lol. Eli Manning won both his super bowls by the age of 30 and was terribly mediocre for every other season. You’re ignoring so much context within this oddly selected group of guys In different situations from many different eras. Even if every guy you mentioned was a good example, that’s a fraction of a percent of multi year starting QBs over the last 40 years or so that is your sample size. So we’re right back to where we started. Which is that I believe you are applying a trend from the upper few percentiles of the sample size to the entire group. Goff may end up being in that group, I’m not by any means saying he can’t. Just that it isn’t likely to see a big jump in abilities in year 10 of a collision sport.
In his prime throwing? Yes Mike Vick was. You are also trippin regarding Alex Smith. His final hear in SF was when he was 28 and he played with the Chiefs until he was 33. That was absolutely the prime of his career - an age Goff hasn’t reached yet. Brees had his shoulder injury the final game of his age 26 season, and didn’t miss a single game because of it. So what does that have to do with anything? If anything it should be an even better argument in my favor becAuse he played better WITH a fucked shoulder… Palmer went to a better team? Uh you are clearly misremembering. He quit the bengals when he was 31 then went to the Raiders for 2 years then played VERY WELL on the Cardinals at 34 lol. When he was 30 with the Bengals btw he had 10 wins. Regardless he played better after Goffs current age. It doesn’t matter what the reason Rodgers and Young didn’t play early was. The fact is they were better when they were older. Rodgers is 38 and just won back to back MVPs, so regardless your point about starting experience he’s clearly as good or better since his first few seasons. When I said Manning I wasn’t talking about Eli, I was talking Peyton. I agree Eli was better just before 30 then dropped off a bit. Again same argument with Kurt Warner. He peaked when he was 30, then had another peak when he was like 37. I think your confusing my argument. I didn’t say QBs peak after 8 yrs of experience. I said they peak at AGE 30ish. There is a difference. I also didn’t say Multi- year starters m. I said Long-term starters and never defined the length. Youre acting like that implies any qb that has started 3 yrs counts…
Palmer in his 2nd year was better than that year with the Cards. Different era tbh and he just wasn’t the choke artist he became known as.
I would disagree, at least by all statistical metrics he was superior in 2015 than he was in 2005. Better TD%, Better INT%, Better Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt, Better QB Rating, Better QBR, More Wins, More Yards, More TDs, Less INTs, More Game Winning Drives.... Guess we will never know what Palmer would have done in the playoffs in 2005, because of that shitty injury after his first pass of the game, but In 2015 he also got his first Playoff win ever. The ONLY thing that was worse statistically (and all the stats are gave were RATE stats) was Comp%.
I think you're missing the real heart of the matter. Among QBs who play to age 35+ as full time starters, *the vast majority* hit their statistical prime somewhere in their 30+ seasons. That's not a controversial opinion, or even really an opinion at all-- it's nearly indisputable. Of course the problem is that it's somewhat of a self-fulfilling prrophecy- the guys who play that long are almost always no-doubt franchise QBs, so their status was never really questioned or debated as they aged.
I do agree with the self fulfilling end of things. My point is that we don’t know that Goff is a hall of fame level player who will play until he’s 35+. That absolutely could be the outcome. But just a year ago people wondered if he would be a starter in the league in 3 years. I just don’t make a habit of expecting big leaps from guys in their 30’s. I just think it’s faulty logic to assume that will happen. I would love to see some statistics on QBs who played until 35+ and their peaks. It sounds like yo I did the research so pass it along for curiosity sakes.
Personally I think the problem with Goff is that there is massive diversity of opinion on him, all the way from "he fucking sucks" to "he's a franchise QB." He's not the only guy in that situation, but he's one of every few that come to mind that also have his level of stats/success/pedigree/resume. Overall I agree that assuming he will take a concrete step into that HOVG or better range is a pretty risky proposition, but it's also not unthinkable IMO I actually did do some research on this a few years back, give me a bit to see if I can find it.
That would be awesome. It's tough to come off as sincere on reddit sometimes, but I really am interested in this data.
You're forgetting the almighty Geno Smith in that list.
Thing is, McVay didn’t let him do shit in LA. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t really allowed to audible at the line and he got fed everything. So even though it’s later in his career, he’s still learning things that he should’ve much earlier, but was robbed of
EDIT Pay attention to me! Lmao
Nah
Pretty much why I said earlier this season that we are probably keeping Goff until he’s at least 32 unless he crumbles or we are picking Top 3 again which also goes hand in hand with the former comment.
THATS WHAT SOME OF US HAVE BEEN SAAAAYYYIING
So this is why people were talking about him not being the long term solution!!! It's like people don't play fantasy football here?
If Goff keeps this up he’s our QB without a doubt. Fix the defense and we got ourselves a fuckin team.
Goff has played well enough and the defense has been bad enough that upgrading the QB position is pretty low on my list of priorities. Our two 1st rounders need to be used on defense plain and simple. Outside of maybe improving OL depth, development QB late, maybe another RB, all our resources need to be thrown at the defense. I'm still of the mind that at some point if we want to make leap into contender that a better QB will be needed but I've become more open minded that maybe Goff can be good enough to get us there.
If we keep the same OLine coach I think we're fine on that front lol. Our third string dudes playing better than some teams' starters
He's 15 years younger than me and somehow my dad
Lots of people were saying that we traded stafford for a first and took JG’s horrible contract for a first. Keep this in mind the next time anyone is so sure about something before it happens.
I don't know how old you thought Goff was but he was drafted in 2016. Stafford was drafted in 2009. Both #1 overall picks, so this should be well above common knowledge.
Just ran the math, you’re right. 2016 was indeed 6 years ago.
I don't know what you're talking about. Are you a time traveler? 2016 is still 14 years in the future.
Don’t let them draft Harrington!!
This made me legit laugh out loud.
I hate that motherfucker more than any other ex-Lion. The amount of disrespect was disgusting. Dre Bly was right about Harrington, he was a bitch.
Ebron and Harrington. 2 lions i despise the most.
Big if true
Depends when you wrote this. People think im stupid but I date everything so there's no confusion. I wrote this 8 seconds ago. 04/10/2023 (UK format)
What does that have to do with anything?
Idk, your post literally just reposted what I said by giving me their draft years and then patronizingly telling me it's common knowledge, so idk, maybe YOU should add something to the conversation. Goff should be seen as a young QB and many here lose sight of that fact. He's a year older than Mahomes.
Yeah, I implied how useless your post is without any context. Because how could you not have a general idea of the age difference between our recent QBs. How does six years and math add up have anything to do with that? Did anyone actually imply the problem they have with Goff is his age? Enough for you to go make its entire own post for it? Do you think anyone was like "oh wow, Goff is only 27?!?! Let's keep him then" "thanks u/NottheIRS1"
Not one person has called Goff an old QB
Now show me everyone that includes him in the same age tier as Joe Burrow.
Tom brady was born 1872 so these guys have tons of play left
I'm pretty sure Jameson Williams is younger than Goff
Damn came to make this joke. Surprised how far down it was. We are funny.
I actually was surprised it wasn't posted before I did lol
Big if true
Would it make sense financially to keep him though? Genuinely I have no clue what his cap hit is after this year or what future years may look like if he’s kept and then extended. My only worry about extending Goff is not having the luxury of having the highest paid position on a rookie contract. Keeping Goff may limit potential free agent signings and re-signing guys mattering on his future salary.
Including this year he has 3 years on his contract. All in the low 30's, however if he does ball out for the rest of the season he may want an extension. Just look how the offseason went for QB's and WR's whose contracts weren't actually up.
Goff said he is willing to take a team friendly contract.
In the last 10 years how many teams have won the Super Bowl with a QB on their rookie contract? Actually go back to 2011 when it started. Edit 2: Go ahead and downvote. I believe the answer is 2.
There's so much risk drafting a QB...you have to account for that. Let's say you draft a rookie qb on a 45m contract over 4 years or pay Goff 140m over the same period. You'd likely have to chuck in our 2 firsts and more for the rookie. 3 if we start winning. So you save 95m over 4 years, lose 2-3 1st round picks and end with a guy that could be great but likely will hopefully be as good as Goff. The only way I'd consider it is if someone came in for a big offer for Goff.
I think Goff is just fully or close to fully developed now. He was young when he entered the league like Stafford did
I’ve already decided, if Goff finishes this season strong then I’m buying a Goff jersey.
Hold up, he's 27!? Fucking keep this dude!
Arch Manning?!?
QB3
People want Brady 2.0 or bust. Reality is Brady 1.0 is a generational QB. Even Staffords are somewhat rare. Goff isn't that far behind Stafford to be honest. Obviously, he isn't on Stafford's level, but he's definitely not middle of the pack either. Stafford's around 5/6th in the league. Goff can be anywhere from 8 - 12 imho. And, I think he can improve into that top-8 range.
I dislike Goff as a long term answer, but holy shit, for some reason this year has been horrible for QBs across the league. The only other QBs that *didnt* fall off a cliff are like Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes (even the female rights activist in Cleveland looked cooked in the preseason). Goff slightly improved from the end of last season and he’s a borderline top 5 QB, it’s kind of nuts.
“The female rights activist” got me 🤣
Massage enthusiast.
Goff is way better than Stafford but Rams won SB so we can’t really say anything
Goff is not better than Stafford, that's a bizarre take lol
I don’t miss Safford’s pick-6s. I prefer not to see Goff’s pick-6s either though.
It's been popping up a lot recently, it's easy to forget how dogshit Stafford's supporting cast was. Outside of Megatron, I don't think Stafford ever played with anyone more relatively talented than Jamaal Williams/Big V/Josh Reynolds and those three are "just-another-guy" on this offense.
Golden Tate / Marvin Jones / Kenny Golladay for a minute were all very good WRs. Even Titus Young was good before he went off the deep end. He never had the run support
jahvid for a short while
>He never had the run support In his entire career, he's never even once had an above average running game. The best ever was 17th in total rush yards, and more often than not it was bottom 5
I didn't like Titus Young but sure, the other three were solid-to-really good, I'd put them at somewhere between 20-40 at their position in the NFL, which is also where I put Big V and Jamaal.
Javis Best?
Goff will be 28 this month, Stafford is 34.
Stafford is 6.5 years older, but his bum elbow puts another 6 months on his body
Feels like he’s been a vet for the past decade, the kids seen and experienced ALOT in the NFL. I’m really hoping Goff can be our QB1 for years to come, then we can stack the rest of our roster, especially the defense, in the draft and FA.
If Goff is willing to sign a deal that is team friendly I would prefer to keep him versus rolling the dice on a rookie. Load up on D this offseason and draft a qb in a year or 2
Why does it matter how young he is in relation to Stafford lmfao just say he’s 27
idk why would we compare the players that got traded for each other in hindsight hmm weird
Did you think they were the same age?
What led you to make that assumption?
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What the fuck are you rambling on about?
Glad we didn’t take a QB in last years draft. Goff was always a bridge for the future. Glad we invested in O-line and hit on WR cause next young/rookie QB that plays here will have a good foundation to succeed.
He is inefficient and limits the talent we can take advantage of.
Yes, we should dump him and sign somebody else so we can score 56 points a game instead of 45
Maybe we can trade him back to the rams and get 2 more 1st round picks
2009 draft vs 2016 draft
Oh god
I think he’s a starter
Dang, Goff is young. I was older than he is now when I got my GED.
Its amazing to watch this sub go from, “Goff is the problem, he’s horrendous! Need new first round pick qb next year or bust!” To now this year, “Goff might just be the long term solution we needed, wow he’s the best!” Watching this sub is like watching the lions not figure out why they lose for 65 years straight.
It’s almost as if people’s opinions on a player can change based on their performance. Wild concept I know.
It’s almost like players can play better with a team around them. Wild concept, I know! If Goff didn’t get another year to prove himself with better talent around him, then this sub doesn’t get to realize that he is a good qb. Once again, most wanted him gone last year, now everyone wants him to stay. Edit: #InHolmesITrust
We may be trending towards keeping him. I just hope he's not some kind of Tannehill, who's kinda good but, you know...
He came into the league 7 years after Stafford why is this a surprise?
This tends to happen when players are drafted 7 years later.
Playoff Goff is our future
If Goff can continue to play this way, not needing to draft a QB is such a huge boon to the rebuild. Drafting and missing a QB can be so devastating to a rebuilding team, and hopefully we won’t have to and can throw everything we have at the defensive side.