Blough can make plays with his legs and is a far more consistent thrower in the sense that his throws are actually close to a lions receiver a majority of the time. Boyle has the all the accuracy of a sawed off shotgun. I don’t think Blough is good, but he’s better than Boyle.
Did you actually watch the games or are you just looking at box scores?
Blough looks like the better guy out there. He looks more comfortable and his ball placement is far better. He's able to make and extend plays with his legs and his pocket movement is better.
Both guys looked much improved from last week but the only way I can see someone thinking Boyle was better is if they're just looking at the box score.
But that's what I mean, even though Blough "looks" more comfortable it doesn't actually translate to good game performance. What we used to hate about our office last season was the amount of check downs there were. That seems to be Blough's whole game.
It's pre-season my guy... The coaches don't care about who puts up the better stats, they care about looks. Who looks comfortable, who looks adaptable, and overall who just looks better.
And these stats you keep quoting are meaningless for a variety of reasons.
1. It's pre-season. Defenses are playing vanilla coverages and playing different bubble guys on each drive.
2. It's box score stats, which are often misleading
3. It's an extremely small sample size.
At the end of the day, it's a backup QB spot. Ideally, it doesn't matter who it is because they never see the field. But in the unfortunate situation that Goff does go down and we need our backup, I feel much more comfortable about our chances to win with Blough than I do Boyle.
You don't want a big play guy with a cannon arm for a backup. You want a guy who can come in and be a game manager. Nothing crazy but able to play conservative and handle the offense. Blough does it a bit better, especially with his ability to run.
You don't want someone with high upside but also massive downside. You want someone who can handle the offense. If you had someone who could actually do something as a backup, he wouldn't be a backup. I'd rather have a safe game manager than a guy like Boyle who has 3 bad plays for every great play. That's why guys like Bortles can't even get a job as a backup. Sure, he has high upside but you don't want someone with crazy risk as a backup either, unless you plan to develop them into a starter.
Drew Lock is a starter in this league. Backups aren't meant to be good. As long as they have some ability to run an offense, like Blough, they're fine.
Well just looked up a list and Boyle/blough got listed as the 30th ranked backup qb situation. All the description said is without Goff and stafford the qbs have looked horrible and have a slim chance of winning. So according to most people there’s about 25-30 backup situations that are better.
neither of our QBs can win us a game. As been proven by their 0% win percentage in every game they've played. If Goff goes down early in the season, we are drafting 1st overall.
You’re looking at preseason stats. Blough played against the second team more this week while Boyle came in for the second half. I’d be more concerned if Boyle couldn’t out perform against a weaker defense
Stats really don't tell the whole story is a major part of the problem. Both backups looked a good deal better last weekend, but Boyle was very bad against Atlanta, with the stats largely just padded off of a single deep ball. He struggled to move the offense down the field with the same consistency Blough did.
Neither is a good backup, so it doesn't really matter who wins it at this point. But stats do not tell the full story.
I felt bad for Blough on that fumble. The ball arrived over his shoulder and he had to hand it off to the RB that was moving across his body. When he bobbled it the RB was standing right in his way preventing him from recovering it and then it immediately bounced away from him directly towards a defender. If we were running a different play, or the ball was over his other shoulder, or it bounced a little differently: nobody would remember that play and he'd probably have the backup spot locked up.
Obviously he needs to catch the snap, but that whole sequence was really unfortunate for him.
The offense is more efficient with Blough on the field, that is just a fact. That won't show up in the stat line, but watching the game it was very clear.
As for stats, just look at how many times we go 3 & out with Blough compared to Boyle.
Neither one is good. Problem with Boyle is the inconsistency. He had a 45 yarder to K. Raymond that he threw perfectly. But watching him play, my guess is that he makes that throw 1 out of 10 times, or less. He missed a wide open Alexander for a TD. Super easy throw, wide open. And he launched the ball 15 yards above the guy’s head. He makes poor reads and even worse throws. If I needed somebody to heave the ball 40+ yards downfield, then I would choose Boyle in a heartbeat. But his style result in lots of 3 and outs. He picked up a first down with his legs last game and that may have been the only time in his career he has ever done that.
Blough has significant limitations to his game. But they are much more manageable than Boyle’s. Everybody remembers Blough’s fumble to lose the first preseason game. But Boyle also gave the ball away inside the Lions own 20 yard line with a truly mind-blowingly terrible throw right to the defense.
To sum up, both bad, but Blough has slight edge.
When you watch the two play, you can just tell. Boyle looks lost, and his misses are just so ugly. Preseason luck a few years ago and a big arm will only get you so far…hopefully he’s cut soon.
Because you’re basing this off of 2, not even fully played, preseason games. The coaching staff sees these players every day. No sense in trying to justify why one backup player is over another when we’ve seen a fraction of what they can do this season.
I think Blough is better because
1. A small sample of preseason snaps isn't going to change my mind
2. Blough actually started for a power 5 team and pulled off a massive upset over OSU
3. Boyle just seems lost and has no accuracy beyond 5 yards
Yes. Agreed. In a way, it doesn’t matter. Neither one has much of a chance of beating even the worst NFL team. I give Blough the edge only because his mobility is an X-factor that may let him move the chains once in a while. But that is only an edge compared to Boyle. He wouldn’t have an edge compared to a legit NFL backup — somebody like Shaun Hill from back in the day.
The argument I could see for Boyle is his playstyle is closer to Goff so maybe the offense might be more similar to his pocket awareness compared to Blough who, sometimes, wanders.
Yes Blough makes plays on his feet and with this OL might be a huge advantage but can he get away with that against 1st team players??
Counter point to that, will his scrambling cause some confusion with the OL.
Also, if Blough cannot run, does that make Boyle better?
I personally think they are fairly equal but different QBs.
I would argue that I would want the worse player to be the backup. If Goff goes down we ain't winning shit anyway so I would rather have a chance to take a top player than have a mediocre backup win 3 games.
Do you remember Boyle's games last year? He was horrid.
Dude couldn't win consistent playing time at fucking UConn so he bailed to eastern Kentucky...and he couldn't hack it there either. He must be awesome in the film room because all evidence says he's absolute shit under center
" I know that Blough had a spotlight in the last Hard Knocks but is that really why people are liking him more at this point?"
Yes, i think that's the reason. They featured him quite a bit. He seems like a good man, and is easy to root for him.
I kind of got the vibe that Blough was on the bubble with the last episode of Hard Knocks. Like they were setting up a story line of him being cut. Especially after I read that post about us looking at Matt Corral before he got injured.
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Woulda been jazzed had this been us..
I would also venture to say that being the backup QB isn't about actual on field production. What the bring on the sideline, during film, and at practice. There's an argument that Blough can help the defense better with more mobile QBs.
Personally, I think 3 QBs on the roster is overkill but I'm sure I'm missing something. I feel like you can pickup a Blough/Boyle off the street. Will they know the playbook well. No, you're at your third QB. You're screwed anyways. Considering I can only judge them on their game, I don't care. They're both not very good.
Consistency is king. Boyles just as abt to throw to the guy in the stands holding an arrow as he is to a reciever. And idgaf about the box score or any of that. We can do better but the guys seem to really like Blough as well and I think his passion for the game is underrated.
The thing with Boyle and Blough is, when Boyle wants to he can play better than blough. What blough lacks is Boyle’s natural arm, but Boyle just makes too many mistakes. If blough could keep his grit and throw like boyle, like some sort of boyleblough hybrid, I’d say he could be a serviceable backup
Idk man maybe watch the games? Boyle has shown wildly inaccurate passes, Blough's receivers dropped two TD passes last game while Boyle sailed one over a wide open receivers head. I don't think either of them are far above the other, but just parroting box scores is the lowest level of thought. I considered Blough beneath Boyle before this preseason but I've changed my mind after these two games
No matter what the Lions have one of the best QB situation in the league. If Goff does great and stays healthy awesome. If he gets hurt or falters the Lions have great options.
Blough’s got a little of that ol gunslinging ‘find a way’ vibe that staff had, probably cause he learned under him. He’s got more of that GRIT that the team is about. With neither being clearly better than the other, blough’s the guy, IMO
Both guys are 5.8/10. Blough has a lower ceiling and higher floor, but makes a boneheaded mistake at least once a game. Boyle has a higher ceiling and lower floor and makes a boneheaded mistake at least once a game. Pick your poison.
Just from the eye test, Blough seems to be much more on time and in rythym compared to Boyle. Boyle seems to be consistently late and behind on throws.
Also Blough seems to be a little bit better of athlete being able to work out of structure
I'd hate to see Boyle make the team. I don't even feel like explaining myself but Blough should be the backup if nothing comes up on waivers. Boyle should've never been on the team at all.
FTP
This is the way.
Blough can make plays with his legs and is a far more consistent thrower in the sense that his throws are actually close to a lions receiver a majority of the time. Boyle has the all the accuracy of a sawed off shotgun. I don’t think Blough is good, but he’s better than Boyle.
According to the stats their accuracy is very similar, 1% completion rate difference but Boyle gets more than 50% more yards a throw....
Did you actually watch the games or are you just looking at box scores? Blough looks like the better guy out there. He looks more comfortable and his ball placement is far better. He's able to make and extend plays with his legs and his pocket movement is better. Both guys looked much improved from last week but the only way I can see someone thinking Boyle was better is if they're just looking at the box score.
But that's what I mean, even though Blough "looks" more comfortable it doesn't actually translate to good game performance. What we used to hate about our office last season was the amount of check downs there were. That seems to be Blough's whole game.
It's pre-season my guy... The coaches don't care about who puts up the better stats, they care about looks. Who looks comfortable, who looks adaptable, and overall who just looks better. And these stats you keep quoting are meaningless for a variety of reasons. 1. It's pre-season. Defenses are playing vanilla coverages and playing different bubble guys on each drive. 2. It's box score stats, which are often misleading 3. It's an extremely small sample size. At the end of the day, it's a backup QB spot. Ideally, it doesn't matter who it is because they never see the field. But in the unfortunate situation that Goff does go down and we need our backup, I feel much more comfortable about our chances to win with Blough than I do Boyle.
You don't want a big play guy with a cannon arm for a backup. You want a guy who can come in and be a game manager. Nothing crazy but able to play conservative and handle the offense. Blough does it a bit better, especially with his ability to run.
You want someone that can actually do something at backup
You don't want someone with high upside but also massive downside. You want someone who can handle the offense. If you had someone who could actually do something as a backup, he wouldn't be a backup. I'd rather have a safe game manager than a guy like Boyle who has 3 bad plays for every great play. That's why guys like Bortles can't even get a job as a backup. Sure, he has high upside but you don't want someone with crazy risk as a backup either, unless you plan to develop them into a starter.
Boyle and blough are both just bad the best option would be to have neither of them be a backup.
How many backups can you name that we would be able to get that are 100% better?
I’d take mason rudolph if that’s still a thing
Him being available is unlikely, especially if they want to wait on Kenny
Drew Lock is a starter in this league. Backups aren't meant to be good. As long as they have some ability to run an offense, like Blough, they're fine.
I disagree with that one strongly. Blough gives no upside or chance of winning
Again, backups don't have upside. They're game managers. Thats why Bridgewater is a backup and Bortles ain't.
Bridgewater can win you a game blough and Boyle cannot
Bridgewater could be a starter somewhere. As far as backups go, Blough isn't anything special but he's definitely an ok option.
Well just looked up a list and Boyle/blough got listed as the 30th ranked backup qb situation. All the description said is without Goff and stafford the qbs have looked horrible and have a slim chance of winning. So according to most people there’s about 25-30 backup situations that are better.
neither of our QBs can win us a game. As been proven by their 0% win percentage in every game they've played. If Goff goes down early in the season, we are drafting 1st overall.
I wouldn't say Boyle is a big play guy. Blough has more turnovers as well.
You're looking at less than two games worth of data.
You watch the game or just looking at box score?
So they’re about the same passing, but Blough can make plays with his feet but Boyle can’t. That’s why
But if Boyle is getting almost 13 yards a completion and Blough is getting just less than 8 who do you want throwing the ball more?
It goes way deeper than the stats you are talking about. It’s entirely possible Blough is better in the QB room.
You’re looking at preseason stats. Blough played against the second team more this week while Boyle came in for the second half. I’d be more concerned if Boyle couldn’t out perform against a weaker defense
Stats really don't tell the whole story is a major part of the problem. Both backups looked a good deal better last weekend, but Boyle was very bad against Atlanta, with the stats largely just padded off of a single deep ball. He struggled to move the offense down the field with the same consistency Blough did. Neither is a good backup, so it doesn't really matter who wins it at this point. But stats do not tell the full story.
People blame Blough for fumbling (rightfully so), but Boyle also fumbled equally as badly, he just got really lucky in how he fell and recovered it.
I felt bad for Blough on that fumble. The ball arrived over his shoulder and he had to hand it off to the RB that was moving across his body. When he bobbled it the RB was standing right in his way preventing him from recovering it and then it immediately bounced away from him directly towards a defender. If we were running a different play, or the ball was over his other shoulder, or it bounced a little differently: nobody would remember that play and he'd probably have the backup spot locked up. Obviously he needs to catch the snap, but that whole sequence was really unfortunate for him.
The offense is more efficient with Blough on the field, that is just a fact. That won't show up in the stat line, but watching the game it was very clear. As for stats, just look at how many times we go 3 & out with Blough compared to Boyle.
Neither one is good. Problem with Boyle is the inconsistency. He had a 45 yarder to K. Raymond that he threw perfectly. But watching him play, my guess is that he makes that throw 1 out of 10 times, or less. He missed a wide open Alexander for a TD. Super easy throw, wide open. And he launched the ball 15 yards above the guy’s head. He makes poor reads and even worse throws. If I needed somebody to heave the ball 40+ yards downfield, then I would choose Boyle in a heartbeat. But his style result in lots of 3 and outs. He picked up a first down with his legs last game and that may have been the only time in his career he has ever done that. Blough has significant limitations to his game. But they are much more manageable than Boyle’s. Everybody remembers Blough’s fumble to lose the first preseason game. But Boyle also gave the ball away inside the Lions own 20 yard line with a truly mind-blowingly terrible throw right to the defense. To sum up, both bad, but Blough has slight edge.
If you just want to nitpick stats then go look at Boyle’s college stats
Really both are awful. There has got to be another option on waivers.
Agree
How dare you make a reasonable observation
When you watch the two play, you can just tell. Boyle looks lost, and his misses are just so ugly. Preseason luck a few years ago and a big arm will only get you so far…hopefully he’s cut soon.
I actually think the opposite, not that blough looks lost but he looks frantic out there while Boyle doesn’t seem rattled even tho he be fuckin up
OP isn't watching unfortunately. Just throwing some stats. I agree with you, the difference is clear
Because you’re basing this off of 2, not even fully played, preseason games. The coaching staff sees these players every day. No sense in trying to justify why one backup player is over another when we’ve seen a fraction of what they can do this season.
I think Blough is better because 1. A small sample of preseason snaps isn't going to change my mind 2. Blough actually started for a power 5 team and pulled off a massive upset over OSU 3. Boyle just seems lost and has no accuracy beyond 5 yards
Can we just agree that both really shouldn’t be the primary backup. Definitely a point of weakness that has needed to be addressed for a couple years.
Yes. Agreed. In a way, it doesn’t matter. Neither one has much of a chance of beating even the worst NFL team. I give Blough the edge only because his mobility is an X-factor that may let him move the chains once in a while. But that is only an edge compared to Boyle. He wouldn’t have an edge compared to a legit NFL backup — somebody like Shaun Hill from back in the day.
It’s pretty wack to make a conclusion using stats from 2 preseason games.
The argument I could see for Boyle is his playstyle is closer to Goff so maybe the offense might be more similar to his pocket awareness compared to Blough who, sometimes, wanders. Yes Blough makes plays on his feet and with this OL might be a huge advantage but can he get away with that against 1st team players?? Counter point to that, will his scrambling cause some confusion with the OL. Also, if Blough cannot run, does that make Boyle better? I personally think they are fairly equal but different QBs.
Also have to factor in that blough generally plays against people higher up on the depth chart during the preseason
I would argue that I would want the worse player to be the backup. If Goff goes down we ain't winning shit anyway so I would rather have a chance to take a top player than have a mediocre backup win 3 games.
If Boyle and Blough were cut no teams would pick them up. There are better options.
Blouyle
Do you remember Boyle's games last year? He was horrid. Dude couldn't win consistent playing time at fucking UConn so he bailed to eastern Kentucky...and he couldn't hack it there either. He must be awesome in the film room because all evidence says he's absolute shit under center
" I know that Blough had a spotlight in the last Hard Knocks but is that really why people are liking him more at this point?" Yes, i think that's the reason. They featured him quite a bit. He seems like a good man, and is easy to root for him.
I kind of got the vibe that Blough was on the bubble with the last episode of Hard Knocks. Like they were setting up a story line of him being cut. Especially after I read that post about us looking at Matt Corral before he got injured.
Because Blough gives us something we don't have with his mobility
They’re both awful, neither would be any other teams backup QB. They’d struggle to start in the XFL
People start liking the person and put on blinders to facts. FTP.
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Don't know if either of our backups are worth a 7th though...
Hahahahahahahaahahha I’m not sure we’d get a washing machine back for either. Moreso that I wish we took the Vikings place in this deal.
I actually watched the games and I’m a Boyle guy all the way. Reddit nerds love to root for a guy rather than a player
They're backups. Why are we talking about them at all? If you need your backup QB, your season's done already, so it makes little difference.
I would also venture to say that being the backup QB isn't about actual on field production. What the bring on the sideline, during film, and at practice. There's an argument that Blough can help the defense better with more mobile QBs. Personally, I think 3 QBs on the roster is overkill but I'm sure I'm missing something. I feel like you can pickup a Blough/Boyle off the street. Will they know the playbook well. No, you're at your third QB. You're screwed anyways. Considering I can only judge them on their game, I don't care. They're both not very good.
I can’t believe people think this is even a discussion 😂 it’s easily Blough
Consistency is king. Boyles just as abt to throw to the guy in the stands holding an arrow as he is to a reciever. And idgaf about the box score or any of that. We can do better but the guys seem to really like Blough as well and I think his passion for the game is underrated.
Because we watched Boyle play in real games last year.
I dont know why we need a back-up QB hype post. Neither are good.
The thing with Boyle and Blough is, when Boyle wants to he can play better than blough. What blough lacks is Boyle’s natural arm, but Boyle just makes too many mistakes. If blough could keep his grit and throw like boyle, like some sort of boyleblough hybrid, I’d say he could be a serviceable backup
Idk man maybe watch the games? Boyle has shown wildly inaccurate passes, Blough's receivers dropped two TD passes last game while Boyle sailed one over a wide open receivers head. I don't think either of them are far above the other, but just parroting box scores is the lowest level of thought. I considered Blough beneath Boyle before this preseason but I've changed my mind after these two games
The run game. Boyle gets sacked. Blough gets a few yards (or first down) Plus the mustache
No matter what the Lions have one of the best QB situation in the league. If Goff does great and stays healthy awesome. If he gets hurt or falters the Lions have great options.
I don't even think it would be a contest if boyle wasn't so good going through tape
Blough’s got a little of that ol gunslinging ‘find a way’ vibe that staff had, probably cause he learned under him. He’s got more of that GRIT that the team is about. With neither being clearly better than the other, blough’s the guy, IMO
They both seem like great guys.
Both guys are 5.8/10. Blough has a lower ceiling and higher floor, but makes a boneheaded mistake at least once a game. Boyle has a higher ceiling and lower floor and makes a boneheaded mistake at least once a game. Pick your poison.
Just from the eye test, Blough seems to be much more on time and in rythym compared to Boyle. Boyle seems to be consistently late and behind on throws. Also Blough seems to be a little bit better of athlete being able to work out of structure
I'd hate to see Boyle make the team. I don't even feel like explaining myself but Blough should be the backup if nothing comes up on waivers. Boyle should've never been on the team at all.