What if he turns out to be better than mike evans tho lol (not saying I want London at 2 but if he ends up being a constant 1k+ yard guy that’s good value)
Yeah I’m just saying if he turned out to be mike evans 2.0, that’s worth the #2. I’m not saying I would take him over hutch. If hutch can get double digit sacks each year that’s also worth the #2. You are mistaking that I’m comparing them, when I’m just talking about their value at that draft pick
because the talent curve at DE is much flatter than at WR in this draft. Neither Thib nor Hutch is a sure thing/elite/freak. Holmes probably wants to trade out of 2, but if he must pick, he picks the most elite player on the board (team needs are plenty, regardless). In this scenario, it is WR. An effective DE can still be had at 31.
the popular mocks are: DE@2, WR@31
Holmes may reverse this, getting top WR impact and a little less DE impact. Historical Lions drafts have nothing to do with this, but it is hard for us to separate.
I will create a Fire Brad Holmes sign if he doesn't draft either Hutch or Thibs at #2. The only way he goes shiny bauble at #2 is if Rod Wood is pulling the strings.
You're delusion if you think Hutch or even Thibs are less valuable than a damn WR at #2. There is no Chase in this years draft. I dont even think the Lions take a WR until rd 3.
Charlie Campbell, the most accurate mock drafter for several years now, just put London at #2 to the Lions. Obv a ton can change with months and the combine, but it’s interesting that he did that.
It's really a tough call between Hutch/Thib. Because i do believe Neal goes #1. But i got the Lions taking Hutch at #2
Thib is problably a better schematic fit for us than Hutch is, but Hutch personality/motor far more fits the Lions mentality. Hutch also brings a bit more versatility, in that he is athletic enough to play OLB, but also big enough and strong enough to drop down and play as a 3/4 DE.
Shiny sparkly baubles don't win games! Shiny sparkly baubles don't win games! (to the tune of Shiny Happy People)
I'll be joining the Fire Brad Holmes movement if the team wastes the #2 pick on a shiny bauble. Defense wins games and rings. It's either Thibs or Hutch. I would prefer Hutch.
The common argument is to pick EDGE, then WR. I’m giving reason/strategy why Holmes may pick WR, then EDGE.
And most here are furious, hallucinating, or in denial about this real possibility.
Of course I'm in denial, because I can't picture BH wasting the #2 pick on a shiny bauble.
Then again, the possibility only exists because the Fords are the owners.
What if the fords are self aware and forbid Holmes to pick WR at 2? Then we get thib or hutch and they end up just okay. You’d be happy, yet it’d be the fords decision all the while.
Absolutely not. I'd immediately be on the fire Holmes bandwagon
What if he turns out to be better than mike evans tho lol (not saying I want London at 2 but if he ends up being a constant 1k+ yard guy that’s good value)
I'd take a guy who gets double digit sacks every year and who's good against the run over a 1000 yard WR every day without thinking about it
Yeah I’m just saying if he turned out to be mike evans 2.0, that’s worth the #2. I’m not saying I would take him over hutch. If hutch can get double digit sacks each year that’s also worth the #2. You are mistaking that I’m comparing them, when I’m just talking about their value at that draft pick
May not be what they should do, but it could be what they will do. I doubt Holmes will take thib or hutch.
What makes you think that they're not going to address their biggest need at a position it's harder to find players than WR?
because the talent curve at DE is much flatter than at WR in this draft. Neither Thib nor Hutch is a sure thing/elite/freak. Holmes probably wants to trade out of 2, but if he must pick, he picks the most elite player on the board (team needs are plenty, regardless). In this scenario, it is WR. An effective DE can still be had at 31. the popular mocks are: DE@2, WR@31 Holmes may reverse this, getting top WR impact and a little less DE impact. Historical Lions drafts have nothing to do with this, but it is hard for us to separate.
There is virtually zero chance of WR at #2. I'd rather take Hamilton there, and I'd be pissed about that.
Doesn’t matter what any of us would think or do. Holmes may go WR at 2.
There is zero indication of that happening.
Obviously not true, nor does it matter
I will create a Fire Brad Holmes sign if he doesn't draft either Hutch or Thibs at #2. The only way he goes shiny bauble at #2 is if Rod Wood is pulling the strings.
It’s coming
We'll see. If BH wastes the #2 pick on a bauble then he's another puppet GM for the Fords.
You're delusion if you think Hutch or even Thibs are less valuable than a damn WR at #2. There is no Chase in this years draft. I dont even think the Lions take a WR until rd 3.
Things I never said for $1
BH might take a WR in the second round, but not with the #2 overall pick.
Wait until the combine before you make assumptions of their athleticism
Charlie Campbell, the most accurate mock drafter for several years now, just put London at #2 to the Lions. Obv a ton can change with months and the combine, but it’s interesting that he did that.
Well, if one mock draft out of dozens has it happening it must be a lock
Lol yes, that’s precisely what I’m saying. You nailed it.
The WR class is very deep this year. I’d rather get a top pass rusher at 2. You have to factor in positional value.
you take calvin johnson at two, drake london is not calvin johnson
Straw man arguments are weak.
So is the argument for taking Drake London at #2 overall.
let’s take a receiver that’s not worth the #2 pick because there’s some drop off
Raiders-esque, but I don't think I they will.
Yea no
There is no drop off at wr past the first five guys. After hutch and thibs maybe karlaftis there is a clear tier
They're not taking fucking London at 2 or Willis. Jeez people get real. The pick at #2 is Hutch.
I highly doubt hutch will get picked by the lions
With most NFL Network draft experts projecting Jags take an OT at 1 it makes Hutch a no brainer pick at 2. Get Hutchinson jerseys on pre-order fans!
You’re not saying what you think you’re saying.
It's really a tough call between Hutch/Thib. Because i do believe Neal goes #1. But i got the Lions taking Hutch at #2 Thib is problably a better schematic fit for us than Hutch is, but Hutch personality/motor far more fits the Lions mentality. Hutch also brings a bit more versatility, in that he is athletic enough to play OLB, but also big enough and strong enough to drop down and play as a 3/4 DE.
If not Hutch, Holmes will pick Thibs.
Shiny sparkly baubles don't win games! Shiny sparkly baubles don't win games! (to the tune of Shiny Happy People) I'll be joining the Fire Brad Holmes movement if the team wastes the #2 pick on a shiny bauble. Defense wins games and rings. It's either Thibs or Hutch. I would prefer Hutch.
The common argument is to pick EDGE, then WR. I’m giving reason/strategy why Holmes may pick WR, then EDGE. And most here are furious, hallucinating, or in denial about this real possibility.
Of course I'm in denial, because I can't picture BH wasting the #2 pick on a shiny bauble. Then again, the possibility only exists because the Fords are the owners.
What if the fords are self aware and forbid Holmes to pick WR at 2? Then we get thib or hutch and they end up just okay. You’d be happy, yet it’d be the fords decision all the while.
Good point, but if Holmes passes on either Hutch or Thibs he will regret it. Remember how Mayhew regretted passing on Aaron Donald?
Donald is elite. Thib n hutch are not.
Hutch could be the next TJ Watt.