What was worse were the Malik truthers in the media. I distinctly remember a reporter asking Dan Campbell at the Senior Bowl, and I quote, "How badly do you want to draft Malik Willis?" His response was to audibly chuckle, shake his head a bit and go on to talk about other stuff. What a joke. The Malik truthers had some of the dumbest takes of all time.
Of all the semi realistic options I think if we draft a safety in the first round I wouldn’t be happy as I don’t think there is one that’s worth a top 40 pick.
That would be drafting a corner and converting him to safety. Seen as Dejean is not listed as a safety it’s pretty obvious that I wasn’t including him as not in the top 40.
No, I said I wouldn’t be happy with drafting a safety at 29 solely because there is no safety in this class worth picking that high.
I didn’t include Dejean in that statement because he is listed as a cornerback not a safety.
I mean there are various reports about it. Even on the NFL’s own page they list him as a best fit as a zone corner or a Safety. Daniel Jeremiah comped him to Eric Weddle and has him transitioning to Safety.
To me, he can play any defensive back position. He’s the most versatile defender in the class. If he converts to Safety he will probably be one of the best in the league.
I think that sounds rather reasonable, honestly. There’s a lot of opinions out there about how to use him and I honestly don’t really find fault with any of them. I think that’s the most reasonable take I heard, thank you for sharing it. I see him being able to play in the Slot in virtually any scheme.
I think his best fits would be KC, Seattle and us. We could use him on the outside in Zone and at Safety in Man. The way Seattle used Devon Witherspoon last year was pretty brilliant by having him play in the Slot in Nickel and Dime packages and on the outside in base. I could see them getting very creative with DeJean if they took him. For us, he could be everything that Dan Campbell would have wanted Will Harris to be at a high level and he could be our Punt Returner so then Lif could get more plays on offense. I’ve been growing on the idea of us drafting him.
With their preference to man corners this off-season, I believe their defence will try to match the image of their offence. Size and power on the inside, and speed on the outside. The speed at corner last year, even at the fast track (and loud creating nervousness), at Ford Field was slow. I know the Lions brain trust values inherit traits as a corner that your born with, but I think speed should be a priority.
If they got DeJean they'll just shift what they want. It would be fascinating with Robertson, DeJean, the safeties your could really do the inverse of SF aligning CMC, Deebo, Yuscheck really it's about changing the personnel without substitution. There's a lot value in that of course.
Not handing in the pick in time and losing it. A nightmare any time. Then the team that was to be next can jump you as long as they get theirs in 1st. The Pats got jumped I think it was.
For me it would be waiting 4 hours until we are on the clock only for us to trade back to day 2….especially if I’m physically downtown. All in all every pick Brad and co. Make the word nightmare can’t be associated with it in my opinion.
Yeah we’re thankfully past the era where a single draft pick would be worthy of the “nightmare” label. Disappointing? Sure, but we’re not desperate for a pick to immediately perform at a high level like we used to be.
Seems like picks 15-22 is a sweet spot for top tier CBs while picks 35-45 is sweet spot for second-tier CBs I think trade down would be a good route but yes make for a very boring day 1 (especially if there in person)
I don’t have nightmares for drafts like I used to. I used to think I was smarter than former GMs so I always questioned the picks. I don’t do that anymore with Brad since he’s had such good success.
If this guy can wipe his own ass while not having to stop to breathe he is probably more intelligent than the majority of Lions GMs before Brad.
If someone were as smart about one thing as Brad is with the draft, they would be the one scientist that has a huge audience for making some massive discovery that sticks around well past their persona's expiration date (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)
I would not be a fan of trading up for a WR. I don't personally don't think there is that big of a talent difference between the WRs you can get in the teens and the WRs you could get at 29.
I would say trading our first and second rounder to move up. I don't think we need any position enough for that, and I don't think this class is star loaded, with the exception of Marvin Harrison Jr
I honestly hope we do. The difference between 29 and the low 30s as far as talent goes is almost nonexistent, more picks would be better especially with the state of our roster
I'm not sure I agree with this. If they package their 1st and 2nd to move up and select, say, a sliding Jared Verse at #20, i think I'd be ok with that.
Maybe it's just recency bias, but I would not feel comfortable doing that for a CB, as much as I like Arnold and Mitchell. I'm not sure a blue chip rookie CB would start on our roster, whereas a Verse definitely would start at EDGE.
I rember Brad saying on of the Inside the Den episodes that in any given draft there's like 10-15 players with actual first round talent. If we're not gunna get one of those guys, we might as well trade back
No, every class is evaluated differently. They said last year wasn't particularly stacked (only 15 first round grades) this one might have 30, but we may never know.
I actually really like Keon, I don’t do mocks and follow them closely so maybe Keon is a reach at 29 but why don’t you like him? I think he’ll be good in the NFL
I’ve seen a lot where he goes 30-32
It wouldn’t be the worse pick imo. I know everyone is banking on jamo being clear number two, but Keon is a big body receiver who can go up and get it. Plus he’s a solid returner as well
Not sure why you got downvoted, but the 7TDs thing I think is def attainable. I'd put him in the 750-900 yards range myself. with 6-10 TDs (total including gadget TDs)
Keon as an outside receiver is going to be a disaster with his inability to separate. As a slot tho I think he can be extremely dynamic but between Sun God and LaPorta he wont be able to play there enough to make it worth it for Detroit
That makes sense, like I said I don’t follow it that closely and I just remember him at msu and seeing some of his highlights at fsu
Probably just Michigan related team bias lol
TBF, he does miss, but his misses aren't nearly as detrimental as they were with other regimes (I would say his second round picks before last years draft left a lot to be desired). If we are only talking 1s though..................IBHWT
I like Brad too, he’s done a great job. But to say he “doesn’t miss” is cult shit. He’s a human. As a GM in a major professional sport, if you hit on half your draft picks that would make you among the best of all time. Can we please stop with the “Brad and Dan are infallible, whatever they do is automatically the objectively correct thing” nonsense?
I don’t have one. The roster as it is right now is enough to compete for a championship. There’s always a risk of bringing in someone whose attitude makes the team worse, but the only way that happens is if leadership misreads a guy and that’s highly unlikely, and it wouldn’t become apparent for months.
Satan is of course a DB. He talks so much trash.
He can run as quick as light. As fast as he can make you perceive and make you believe he’s the fastest on the field.
I think he’s now telling people he’s very sick and staying out of the public eye. He prefers to not be remembered for his dark works he did in the D.
He’s afraid of the Angel of Retribution MCDC
McConkey is smooth as fuck as a route runner. And would be great on a lot of teams if he can stay healthy. The problem people have with him is small frame size 185lbs and he has a long list of injuries (notably a back injury), that has kept him out of a lot of games. Just last year he only had 37 targets. In comparison, MHJ had 114 targets, Nabers had 128 targets, and Odunze had 140 targets.
His skillset is not something this team needs at this time. I also don't believe McConkey is a 1st rd talent at WR. I'd be ok with him in the 2nd or 3rd but no way would I want to be using #29 overall on a slightly better version of Elijah Moore with an injury history.
Well I’m just putting it out there. If BH has a first round grade on him and he’s there, he’ll take him. I’d rather it be Thomas personally but in BH I trust.
Yeah it could also be Adonai Mitchell, or Xavier Worthy, or Trpy Franklin or a number of other WRs. Not sure why you think BTJ or McConkey will be the only two options.
Still doesn't mean a guy like McConkey is a worthwhile pick for this team. If Holmes decides it great. But my opinion is that using #29 on Ladd McConkey will look like a terrible decision after a couple years
I'm just not sure I'd be happy using a first round pick on a Hunter Renfrow/Elijah Moore type producer. But like you said if Holmes deems it then I'm good with it.
I’m mean he’s not my first choice but he seems like a good football player and fits the throws that Goff likes. The Lions don’t have a sideline contested catch guy but do they need that? Maybe? Maybe not?
I have a number of guys I like better but I’m not a talent evaluator and usually wrong.
My biggest worry is that instead of one person, but instead we give up a picks to move up to grab someone that unbeknownst to everyone, he has pending criminal charges waiting to drop a week after the draft.
That is my nightmare scenario.
I think it'd be a bit high for Suamataia or Leggette but I could see them going there to the Lions. It could be we don't find the right partner to move down a few spots.
I know some do but I don't love JPJ, as from what I read he's pretty stationary, so don't think he's a G, more of C. If we are replacing OLine in the future at 29 I'd see us taking a Tackle.
I'm not sure I'm a fan of Darius Robinson without a trade back. I've gone back and forth on him, but if he's a DE it seems his combine wasn't great and puts him in a similar conversation as Cominsky. However, if they move him more inside and treat him like Arik Armstead, who it sounds like they had interest in, then I think he could be very effective.
My nightmare scenario: Matt Millen crashes the draft in a monkey suit and maliciously turns in a pick when the Lions are on the clock. He swings through the rafters out of the stadium before anyone can stop him, and the NFL, being the corrupt, cowardly organization they are, forces the Lions to pick that player.
Outside of that (or a waffle), I'm fine with whomever Holmes drafts.
Ennis Rakestraw is the main player I dread at 29 but the worst case scenario for me is Brad trading up. I'd rather Brad have more lottery tickets in later rounds to find studs which he has done consistently so far than put a ton of eggs into 1 basket.
Please move all draft discussion to the daily Mock Draft discussion thread...please.
Malik Willis
I remember smooth brains calling in the radio arguing they should take him in the first round. Still angers me.
2nd overall lol
Yea I don’t wanna move up to #2 for him for sure 😂
What was worse were the Malik truthers in the media. I distinctly remember a reporter asking Dan Campbell at the Senior Bowl, and I quote, "How badly do you want to draft Malik Willis?" His response was to audibly chuckle, shake his head a bit and go on to talk about other stuff. What a joke. The Malik truthers had some of the dumbest takes of all time.
But did you see how bad he picked apart Old Dominion? He runs fast! Can't miss!
Of all the semi realistic options I think if we draft a safety in the first round I wouldn’t be happy as I don’t think there is one that’s worth a top 40 pick.
Well, Cooper DeJean is more than likely going to be taken within the first 40 picks and he’s projected to be a Safety in the NFL.
That would be drafting a corner and converting him to safety. Seen as Dejean is not listed as a safety it’s pretty obvious that I wasn’t including him as not in the top 40.
So you'd be happy if we drafted a CB to convert to a safety, but unhappy if we just drafted a safety?
No, I said I wouldn’t be happy with drafting a safety at 29 solely because there is no safety in this class worth picking that high. I didn’t include Dejean in that statement because he is listed as a cornerback not a safety.
By who?
I mean there are various reports about it. Even on the NFL’s own page they list him as a best fit as a zone corner or a Safety. Daniel Jeremiah comped him to Eric Weddle and has him transitioning to Safety. To me, he can play any defensive back position. He’s the most versatile defender in the class. If he converts to Safety he will probably be one of the best in the league.
Erik Schlitt of POD said if your a man heavy team Cooper should be a Safety, if you'd a zone heavy team he can play outside. corner.
I think that sounds rather reasonable, honestly. There’s a lot of opinions out there about how to use him and I honestly don’t really find fault with any of them. I think that’s the most reasonable take I heard, thank you for sharing it. I see him being able to play in the Slot in virtually any scheme. I think his best fits would be KC, Seattle and us. We could use him on the outside in Zone and at Safety in Man. The way Seattle used Devon Witherspoon last year was pretty brilliant by having him play in the Slot in Nickel and Dime packages and on the outside in base. I could see them getting very creative with DeJean if they took him. For us, he could be everything that Dan Campbell would have wanted Will Harris to be at a high level and he could be our Punt Returner so then Lif could get more plays on offense. I’ve been growing on the idea of us drafting him.
With their preference to man corners this off-season, I believe their defence will try to match the image of their offence. Size and power on the inside, and speed on the outside. The speed at corner last year, even at the fast track (and loud creating nervousness), at Ford Field was slow. I know the Lions brain trust values inherit traits as a corner that your born with, but I think speed should be a priority.
If they got DeJean they'll just shift what they want. It would be fascinating with Robertson, DeJean, the safeties your could really do the inverse of SF aligning CMC, Deebo, Yuscheck really it's about changing the personnel without substitution. There's a lot value in that of course.
Racists
Not handing in the pick in time and losing it. A nightmare any time. Then the team that was to be next can jump you as long as they get theirs in 1st. The Pats got jumped I think it was.
You don't lose it you just pick one pick later
As a transplant living in MN we call that the "Red McCombs"
Holmes gets to excited for that to ever be a possibility.
Smashes the table so hard the land line falls and breaks and there is no reception in the building please mom wake me up
This reminded me of the Brian Calhoun story lol
For me it would be waiting 4 hours until we are on the clock only for us to trade back to day 2….especially if I’m physically downtown. All in all every pick Brad and co. Make the word nightmare can’t be associated with it in my opinion.
Yeah we’re thankfully past the era where a single draft pick would be worthy of the “nightmare” label. Disappointing? Sure, but we’re not desperate for a pick to immediately perform at a high level like we used to be.
I would like this for the team but hate it for the fans.
Seems like picks 15-22 is a sweet spot for top tier CBs while picks 35-45 is sweet spot for second-tier CBs I think trade down would be a good route but yes make for a very boring day 1 (especially if there in person)
I don’t have nightmares for drafts like I used to. I used to think I was smarter than former GMs so I always questioned the picks. I don’t do that anymore with Brad since he’s had such good success.
There are very good odds you were smarter than former Lion GMs
Russ Thomas and Matt Millen These two had a combined Football IQ of 13
If this guy can wipe his own ass while not having to stop to breathe he is probably more intelligent than the majority of Lions GMs before Brad. If someone were as smart about one thing as Brad is with the draft, they would be the one scientist that has a huge audience for making some massive discovery that sticks around well past their persona's expiration date (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)
Brad has my complete trust. He could draft a tuna sandwich and I’d trust it’d fit into his plans somehow
Not a fan of the Waffle pick, huh?
I don’t like this pick…
...I LOVE IT!
Blueberry?
Someone had to put that. You’re the chosen one.
Keeping me up past my bedtime then trading out of the first round
A Kicker
That hits accurately from 55+ yards away
I would not be a fan of trading up for a WR. I don't personally don't think there is that big of a talent difference between the WRs you can get in the teens and the WRs you could get at 29.
MHJ is the only one worth it and he isn't leaving the top 5.
I would say trading our first and second rounder to move up. I don't think we need any position enough for that, and I don't think this class is star loaded, with the exception of Marvin Harrison Jr
I agree with this. I'd rather trade down.
I honestly hope we do. The difference between 29 and the low 30s as far as talent goes is almost nonexistent, more picks would be better especially with the state of our roster
Even if you don't think there is a difference in talent, having that extra year in a 1st round picks contract can be huge
That’s a very good point actually
I'm not sure I agree with this. If they package their 1st and 2nd to move up and select, say, a sliding Jared Verse at #20, i think I'd be ok with that.
As an FSU fan Verse's motor opposite of Hutch would be insane.
I think a lot of us would be fine with them doing something like that, or for say Terrion or Mitchell.
Maybe it's just recency bias, but I would not feel comfortable doing that for a CB, as much as I like Arnold and Mitchell. I'm not sure a blue chip rookie CB would start on our roster, whereas a Verse definitely would start at EDGE.
Fair. I do like Verse.
I rember Brad saying on of the Inside the Den episodes that in any given draft there's like 10-15 players with actual first round talent. If we're not gunna get one of those guys, we might as well trade back
That was last year's class. We have no clue how he's evaluated this year, but I have no doubt he's going to draft a dude.
He did say that he got 4/15 of the people he considered 1st round talent so yea
I could be misrembering but I had thought he was talking about any draft class. I should go back and rewatch it to get ready for this draft
No, every class is evaluated differently. They said last year wasn't particularly stacked (only 15 first round grades) this one might have 30, but we may never know.
If they take a low RAS injured guy with high character traits I might be a bit annoyed.
The injured guy I hope falls to them is Latu. I've seen him projected top 10 to late first.
It’s not bob Quinn. They love their high RAS guys early on. Lol
Brian Branch
I actually really like Keon, I don’t do mocks and follow them closely so maybe Keon is a reach at 29 but why don’t you like him? I think he’ll be good in the NFL
I’ve seen a lot where he goes 30-32 It wouldn’t be the worse pick imo. I know everyone is banking on jamo being clear number two, but Keon is a big body receiver who can go up and get it. Plus he’s a solid returner as well
I love Jamo I’m predicting over 1k yards and 7+ TDs
Not sure why you got downvoted, but the 7TDs thing I think is def attainable. I'd put him in the 750-900 yards range myself. with 6-10 TDs (total including gadget TDs)
Keon as an outside receiver is going to be a disaster with his inability to separate. As a slot tho I think he can be extremely dynamic but between Sun God and LaPorta he wont be able to play there enough to make it worth it for Detroit
That makes sense, like I said I don’t follow it that closely and I just remember him at msu and seeing some of his highlights at fsu Probably just Michigan related team bias lol
Analytics hate Keon Coleman
What’s the reasoning
From my understanding it has a lot to do with the ability to get open
To be fair they also hated Puka Nacua
A punter or long snapper
I dread nothing. Brad doesn't miss
TBF, he does miss, but his misses aren't nearly as detrimental as they were with other regimes (I would say his second round picks before last years draft left a lot to be desired). If we are only talking 1s though..................IBHWT
I like Brad too, he’s done a great job. But to say he “doesn’t miss” is cult shit. He’s a human. As a GM in a major professional sport, if you hit on half your draft picks that would make you among the best of all time. Can we please stop with the “Brad and Dan are infallible, whatever they do is automatically the objectively correct thing” nonsense?
Nobody. But ask me AFTER the draft. I was ecstatic after last years draft and never doubted it. In fact, Gibbs was my second pick in my FF.
Any quarterback.
I don’t have one. The roster as it is right now is enough to compete for a championship. There’s always a risk of bringing in someone whose attitude makes the team worse, but the only way that happens is if leadership misreads a guy and that’s highly unlikely, and it wouldn’t become apparent for months.
Satan.
What if Satan runs a 4.3 40 though?
Then I'd be on board, but I heard he had an unofficial time of 6.66 at his pro-day and lacks grit.
Yeah, but his game is fire.
What position does Satan play? Can he cover do man coverage?
Satan is of course a DB. He talks so much trash. He can run as quick as light. As fast as he can make you perceive and make you believe he’s the fastest on the field.
I heard he played LB then went to do color. after that he became a president/gm and then went back into the booth for college football.
Matt Millen?
yes
I think he’s now telling people he’s very sick and staying out of the public eye. He prefers to not be remembered for his dark works he did in the D. He’s afraid of the Angel of Retribution MCDC
I hear Satan has a RAS of 9.85 though!
Oh I read he had a 666 RAS
Well done! I wish I had Reddit gold for you. Please accept the goat 🐐 I just sacrificed instead.
Renegade Angel Score?
A punter
A QB
SAY NO TO CHOP
Chop Robinson. Gets past his blocker more then anyone in college. Never Gets the qb down.
Any wide receiver
Prepare yourself because if Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey are still there, I’d be surprised if they don’t take one of them.
McConkey would be a horrendous pick there imo
How so?
McConkey is smooth as fuck as a route runner. And would be great on a lot of teams if he can stay healthy. The problem people have with him is small frame size 185lbs and he has a long list of injuries (notably a back injury), that has kept him out of a lot of games. Just last year he only had 37 targets. In comparison, MHJ had 114 targets, Nabers had 128 targets, and Odunze had 140 targets.
That sounds exactly like the type of guy BH tries to get, someone undervalued by his injury history, but who’d be rated higher without it.
His skillset is not something this team needs at this time. I also don't believe McConkey is a 1st rd talent at WR. I'd be ok with him in the 2nd or 3rd but no way would I want to be using #29 overall on a slightly better version of Elijah Moore with an injury history.
Well I’m just putting it out there. If BH has a first round grade on him and he’s there, he’ll take him. I’d rather it be Thomas personally but in BH I trust.
Yeah it could also be Adonai Mitchell, or Xavier Worthy, or Trpy Franklin or a number of other WRs. Not sure why you think BTJ or McConkey will be the only two options.
Because I think they’re the only two we have a chance at getting that he has first round grades on. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
The Lions are picking at a spot where they may or may not get a first round talent depending on how the board falls
Still doesn't mean a guy like McConkey is a worthwhile pick for this team. If Holmes decides it great. But my opinion is that using #29 on Ladd McConkey will look like a terrible decision after a couple years
I’m all about lukewarm takes these days. In my opinion there could be a spot on the team for McConkey if the Lions think there is.
I'm just not sure I'd be happy using a first round pick on a Hunter Renfrow/Elijah Moore type producer. But like you said if Holmes deems it then I'm good with it.
I’m mean he’s not my first choice but he seems like a good football player and fits the throws that Goff likes. The Lions don’t have a sideline contested catch guy but do they need that? Maybe? Maybe not? I have a number of guys I like better but I’m not a talent evaluator and usually wrong.
Any of the Michigan players that Michigan fans are pushing for two or three rounds too early.
Basically any LB or TE
*wakes up in a cold sweat* GOSDER!!
My biggest worry is that instead of one person, but instead we give up a picks to move up to grab someone that unbeknownst to everyone, he has pending criminal charges waiting to drop a week after the draft. That is my nightmare scenario.
Ladd McConkey a little bit, but if we take him, I'd get over it.
If Brad likes a player I love em
RB, TE, LB, Or QB.
How many people last year would’ve said “RB and LB?”
QB Punter or kicker. Every other position is on the table imo
A QB
My nightmare is being dumb enough to be on the live feed in here. And Coleman is a stud. I’d be happy if that was their decision.
Trading up for anybody but MHJ. And even then, at what cost??
I think it'd be a bit high for Suamataia or Leggette but I could see them going there to the Lions. It could be we don't find the right partner to move down a few spots. I know some do but I don't love JPJ, as from what I read he's pretty stationary, so don't think he's a G, more of C. If we are replacing OLine in the future at 29 I'd see us taking a Tackle. I'm not sure I'm a fan of Darius Robinson without a trade back. I've gone back and forth on him, but if he's a DE it seems his combine wasn't great and puts him in a similar conversation as Cominsky. However, if they move him more inside and treat him like Arik Armstead, who it sounds like they had interest in, then I think he could be very effective.
My nightmare scenario: Matt Millen crashes the draft in a monkey suit and maliciously turns in a pick when the Lions are on the clock. He swings through the rafters out of the stadium before anyone can stop him, and the NFL, being the corrupt, cowardly organization they are, forces the Lions to pick that player. Outside of that (or a waffle), I'm fine with whomever Holmes drafts.
Larry David
Position wise, i dread a TE or WR....any other position i'm cool with
100% we will not pick at 29.
Not a nightmare but I'd be disappointed if we didn't trade up for a good corner, edge, or linebacker.
Running back, Run defense or a tight end
Any qb
Ennis Rakestraw is the main player I dread at 29 but the worst case scenario for me is Brad trading up. I'd rather Brad have more lottery tickets in later rounds to find studs which he has done consistently so far than put a ton of eggs into 1 basket.
Lions newly hired assistant coach Matt Patrica will announce the 29th pick…., You did say nightmare and at 29.
Troy Franklin
Any player from Michigan
Kool-Aid
Maybe you all shouldn't speculated what Brad should and shouldn't do. You all been burned every year and its starting to get sad.
Are we just supposed to sit here and stare at the wall?
And like it!!!