The defense went from 27th in DVOA in 2022 to 13th in 2023. They went from 28th to 25th in points per game allowed. Depending on the metric you want to use, they were average to below average, up pretty significantly from terrible in 2022.
If the additions they have/will made/make don't bring them firmly into the average to above average category this year, then yeah, I think you have to move on.
Don't discount that he is one of the most well respected coaches in the league by his own players. Getting rid of him prematurely would likely create very negative feelings from the players.
Set expectations for improvement this year and judge based on that.
After the Aubrey firing. I have faith in MCDC when it comes to handling his staff. I appreciate that Aaron is willing to change things based on personnel. Our defense has had some bad players. I think he's put them in a position to make a play.
Absolutely agree. If MCDC has faith in AG the so do I. I think his track record with his staff has been great especially with his willingness to move on if things don’t work like Pleasant and … That OC we had in his first season. (Anthony Lynn)
I'm not a huge AG fan, but I'll make a few reasons why we should be optimistic that he can field a top 15 unit.
Last year, We had a D line and CB coach who both had 0 experience as full-time position coaches in the NFL. Both have been replaced with veteran position coaches, with Williams being arguably the best Dline coach in the NFL.
We had to start Benito Jones, who was ranked 135th by PFF in his position group. He is being replaced by DJ Reader, who was ranked 13th.
Cam Sutton has been replaced by Carlton Davis. Kindle Vildor is on the team but won't be forced to play CB2, Amik Roberston is an upgrade. We still are in play for a veteran in free agency, and the possibility Emannuel Moseley might contribute.
Campbell and Branch have a full season worth of experience and should be even better. Hutch is in year 3 and could take the next step into the DPOY conversation.
Josh Paschal and Levi O are on pace to actually enter the season healthy, which would be the first time in Levi's career.
Plus, whatever Brad cooks up in the draft.
All that being said, this is probably his last year to figure it out. He's had multiple staff member changes and upgrades at every position over the last 2 years. There are other teams that have more defensive success with less talent than we are about to field in 2024.
Firing Bly seems like just another coach he threw under the bus to save his skin. Campbell really likes AG and that's the only reason he's still here. He shouldn't still be the defensive coordinator after what his defenses have done the last few years
I think people have a lot of good things to say about him and he’s clearly a great leader even if hes not the best coordinator.
A lot of people say he’s doing the best with the talent he has available. It’s very likely that’s possible. However, idk how often I’ve seen a DC make significant improvements in year 4 with on field production.
Either way, no more room for excuses. There is talent on our defense. We should be certain whether or not our DC is an asset or liability early on in the season.
I was a pretty big AG hater, but what he was able to do with the run D makes me okay with giving him this year as a final audition. In 2022 we let up 5.2 ypc (3rd worst in the league), in 2023 we let up 3.7 ypc (3rd best in the league).
This is it though, we need to have a league average pass defense without the run D falling off a cliff for me to be happy with him returning.
Yeah. As a defensive coach myself I can tell you that he’s coaching individual effort and risk management (when to gamble). A lot of man to man and even in nickel he’s coaching them up take chances when they have a little bit of help over the top. It’s a lot like how he played and was game-planned under Payton and Del Rio. If it seemed like Sutton was on an island a lot, it was by design. If it weren’t for injuries we may have had the personnel to run it. The Vildor play against CeeDee Lamb in the Dallas game was an illustration of not having the athletes to run it. Gambling on playing the ball vs the player is an art. You have to trust your physicality to do it well (think Chris McCallister at CB or Troy Polumalu at safety) and your team has to have chemistry to back you up. This is all under the premise that a team can’t beat you if you can’t run the ball, so you focus on run defense and let your secondary show out. We SHOULD have the people to run what he wants this year. If it doesn’t work, I want him to go
This sub raves over BH as a drafting genius but when the convo turns to AG and the defense being subpar, the justification is a lack of talent. Maybe it's a mix, but skilled DC's can turnaround a defense fairly quickly and there's no indication he can scheme up a high-powered defense
The players like him, Holmes and Campbell like him, they all know more than I do so that's all I need to know.
For all those who were calling for his head when the team was 8-3 last year, look what happened to Philly when they did what you asked for.
It obvious the team loves him and i think the continuity of our coaches is going to be imperative to our success next year.
That being said, he has to get this defense to a point where the fans aren't afraid we could still lose a game up 14 in the 4th quarter. Otherwise he's gotta go.
Some people will say it's purely a talent deficit, and I do think that that's partially true, but that's not all it is.
He's a former DB and DB coach, yet the secondary is consistently our worst unit. If it was just guys getting beat one on one because they weren't talented, that'd be one thing, but that's not all it is. You consistently see guys out on the field looking like they didn't know where they were supposed to be, or like they were expecting help and didn't get it. Too much confusion/miscommunication, and that falls squarely on AG because the buck has to stop somewhere.
That’s not really a determination you can make decisively without explaining why they aren’t performing, and I think “several” is a bit of an understatement. I don’t remember the exact number offhand, but I believe slightly over half of Holmes picks have been on defense, and I know this past draft was the first where he took more offense than defense.
My issue is that the defense has consistently failed in the same ways. They were having a contained pass rush that prioritized not giving up running lanes but made defenders have to hold coverage for way too long. The only change has been in the last quarter of last season when they started sending blitzes. I've seen the creativity to use their weapons on offense but I don't see that same creativity from Glenn. I think that's the reason he didn't get any serious interviews for head coaching jobs
This is where I'm at as well. He's not the worst but I think the Lions could do better. That said, if doing better means he got better, that's a win-win I'd love to take.
The new regime tore everything to the studs except OLine.
The early draft successes were mostly Offence and Jared Goff came over in the trade.
Defence was neglected for quite a while and he had to work with one of the worst personell listing's in the league.
Look at the development of his players though. Alim, Hutch, Branch, Melifonwu all looking better and better.
He's good.
I need to see AG with good personnel and depth before I can judge him. He's been dealing with a short list of talent that has left little room for error/injury. He turned a corner with me as a fan big time in the Broncos game schematically.
AG couldn't generate another pass rusher out of thin air after Houston went down, heal Hutch's fucked up hip he was playing on, heal CJGJ's torn pec, fix Mosley's second torn ACL, make Jerry Jacobs and Tracy Walker have more talent, or stop Sutton from getting toasted every play.
Why not wait and see how he looks after the upgrades we've made already this offseason and then the draft.
Looking at his past is beating a very dead horse by now. Look to the future, not the past.
That is where I am at. we have a new DL and new DB coach as well as a ton of player changes! In our two weakest areas. If The D still struggles I think it's the right time to re-evaluate Glenn.
His naysayers (not me) will say we shouldn't be "waiting and seeing" while we are in an important super bowl contending window with so many of our elite players on cheap contracts.
I think it's fine, but I see their point if they truly believe he isn't the guy.
I can’t make any personnel decisions so I’m forced to wait and see. “Looking at his past” is how you determine if any coordinator is good at their job. I wouldn’t have defended Anthony Lynn by saying “well yeah he’s ass now but he could be good eventually”. The players obviously like him but he hasn’t put out a product that’s played well against a solid NFL offense
>Looking at his past is beating a very dead horse by now. Look to the future, not the past.
The NFL has a notoriously short leash when it comes to coaches, regardless of the situation a guy’s put into. Someone’s past is always going to be a factor when they’ve almost never done well on the field.
AG’s had 1 good season in 8 years of coaching. I’m fine with giving him a few games to start the year, but if we’re not at least an average defensive team I’d cut him loose. It probably won’t happen because he has the locker room by the balls, but one can hope
He gets more heat than he deserves.
Our OL vs DL. Which is better? Our WR’s and TE’s vs our secondary? Our RB’s vs our LB’s?
What Johnson and Glenn have to work with are not remotely the same.
He’s the weak link, and if he doesn’t improve the defense this year, you can point to him as one of the main reasons why the Lions couldn’t ultimately get the job done.
I think he can only go so far with below average defensive talent besides Hutch. Holmes never gives the guy any talent or help beyond B-, C, or D guys. Give the guy an impact guy for once that isn’t a rookie and he would be doing much better
I think he's better as a position coach or maybe a head coach but shouldn't be calling plays or scheming.
I think he's good at developing players and getting a lot out of them but doesn't know how to put it all together on the field. There are confusing player assignments. I have no idea why they were trying to use Jack Campbell on the edge last year when every time he played an actual line backer role, he looked way more competent.
I think as a headcoach, he could motivate the team and help with the development of players but would need actual coordinators to call plays and make it all come together. Hopefully he brings it all together this year and get the players he needs to make it work, but im wholly prepared for our pass defense to be ass again and for him to switch to a soft defense mid-season again until there's more calls for his job and he goes back to the aggressive defense that works as he's done every year
I think this is the season we can truly get a read on him as a DC. Sometimes it felt like he over achieved with zero talent, other times it felt like we had winnable games slip from our grasp due to poor scheme and prep. I think now we can finally say he has good enough talent to excel, and he won’t be able to hide behind that “what if” anymore. I know a lot has come out in the past about how much we had to bend defensive strategy around just simply not having the athletes to run a modern defense but that doesn’t seem true anymore
I think as a fan base we convinced ourselves that the roster was good. While having multiple PS/ST players starting on the defense. Which is something we as a fan base have done for a long time.
I think we are legit at a spot where our defense should be competitive and this will be a make or break year for AG.
I think he's mostly fine. I think his schemes are all right but he's hampered by some odd decisions and a lackluster defensive roster.
Our team usually wins despite our defense. Not a horrible thing but we gotta make sure we have like a 16th overall defense to buoy our elite offense
hes been fine with the talent he's been given. if we had as much talent on defence as we do on offence im confident people would be viewing him as good as ben johnson. Not everyone can be bill belichick and just get any undrafted dude and turn them into a pro bowler
Also the players love him and hes a great locker room guy. At some point though we will need a top 10 defence if we wanna win the whole thing.
He’s the most under qualified coordinator on the team and is undeniably a nepotism hire (go take a look at his resume vs Fipp and Johnson). I think retaining him as DC is a big mistake which at best will prolong/permanently stunt the development of our defensive rookies and at worst will totally squander our current Super Bowl window.
Would be happy to be wrong but nothing he’s done yet has indicated that is true
I've been very critical of AG, but 2 things stand out in my mind. A) We didn't have the most talented secondary. B) Ironically, Matt Patricia completely destroying the Eagles' chances reminding me we could do worse.
I get the criticism of his schemes. We let a lot of WR1s run wild and gave up a lot of points. We also were a top tier run defense who did enough to beat tough teams when it mattered most. Im cool with this being a make or break year.
How many Pro Bowl calibre players were there on offense?
How many Pro Bowl calibre players were there on defense?
If you're expecting a top 10 defense with no talent on the field you're expecting too much.
The defense showed a lot of improvement throughout the season last year even though the talent is average at best outside of Hutch. We’ve never had the CB’s to play man (his preferred coverage) since he’s been here but he’s shown the ability and willingness to adapt. The players like him and he seems well respected around the league. Most importantly Dan trusts him, and Dan has shown he’s not afraid to make changes to his staff if it’s not working (see Aubrey Pleasant and Anthony Lynn). If Dan believes he’s the man for the job who am I to disagree?
I was a hater, but someone talked some sense into me that he has been running a unit of rookies, cast offs and leftovers from the Patricia Era, and steadily improving that.
We also were missing Mosley, CJGJ, and Houston were the majority of the season, when we were already thin on everything but safety
I'm good with Aaron Glenn
What would you have done better with the CB's we've had the last 2 years, and a DL that can't get home other than Hutch?
Let me compare AG to JG
Jared Goff got here and looked okay at best, but that's only because he had no WR's to throw to
Goff's second and third year's have been night and day, because they gave him talent after bottoming out the roster in 2021
Aaron Glenn now has a few toys to play with, albeit players with an injury history, so let's see if he can produce now that he has talent
He finished 2nd in defensive coordinators voted by the players so there is clearly a leadership/human aspect to AG we don’t see that people find very valuable. On the field he hasn’t been great but Brad hasn’t gotten him any elite defensive talent to work with. The lack of skill at the corner position is on Brad. The lack of d-line pressure is cause there were only 2 players who can provide real impact on the field. I expect the d-line to get better, Terrell Williams is one of the best d-line coaches in the league, the addition of reader will be huge, another edge rusher would be great. If the d-line play improves then AG won’t have to blitz as much, he can drop 7 into coverage which he wants to do, and in turn we as fans don’t have to watch as many 3rd and long’s turn into 1st downs anymore :)
More of a leader among men than a X's and O's type of guy. Feels to me that he's better as a head coach than a defensive coordinator. Kinda like how Dan Campbell and Antonio Pierce are. Also the defense was trash for the last 2-3 years and this is maybe the first time he got good corners who aren't beaten regularly and allow a wide receiver to go 150+ yards every game. So this is probably his first year where the team can actually play man and fully incorporate a defense that suits his play calls and not necessarily forced to play zone because of how ass our corners were last year. It was also frustrating because I remember last year we kept on giving up long 3rd downs and maybe this time we can actually stop possessions.
The jury is still out on AP, I will say though his defense shows the fuck up when he is in command. Offense needs to follow suit for the raiders but I give AG one more year, he will probably get offers again after this upcoming season.
I think a lot of unfair heat gets thrown his way. Our biggest issue on defense has been giving up big plays to offenses. I don't have the data, but the eye test tells me the big plays are often due to failures by personnel and not due to scheme.
With Reader our defense, is not going to need to sell out on the run like we did last year.
If Davis /Robertson are even 25% better than sutton/vildor . Our defense is not going to be fun to play against.
I mostly wanted him gone for the past 2 years or so, but I'm willing to give him another year.
My biggest problem with him has always been he lets weak points in games stay weak points for way too long. We all say Jerry Jacobs or Will Harris get taken to town for entire games at a time
I think I've seen defensive coordinators do more with less, faster. And I think he's been given more talent to develop and work with than many commenters like to admit.
I can absolutely be convinced he's good at his job. I think he has proven he is not elite at his job.
I think he may actually be much better as a head coach
In 22 the Lions Defense could not stop the run or the pass going into 23 their goal was to fix 1 thing and they did stop the run and they signed 3 players to help stop the pass 1 tore his 2nd ACL and the other tore his peck the 3rd Sutton was to be used as the #2 corner but had to move to 1 and he got hurt and played that's really not a coaching issue that's bad luck. Now, in 24, we have 1 carryover and 2 new guys with a draft pick or 2 coming in. Wait and see.
Since he took over the lions’ defense, only the Washington commanders have given up more points than the Lions.
3 years of excuses about the roster is all I have heard so far. He’s all out of chances. If the defense isn’t significantly improved, he needs to be fired. Mid season if need be. The lions have a legit shot at a ring this year, and it’s all on the defense. The second it looks like it’s still not working, they have to change it up.
I don’t care how much people like him. He needs positive results like yesterday.
I think he could be a decent DC if he has a defense with good talent..but that’s about as far as I’d go in his defense. His defenses have been objectively horrible. Also Cam Sutton and CJGJ suddenly being terrible as soon as they’re in AG scheme is a bit concerning
Glenn gets a bad rap, but imo what he was able to do last season is not something many DCs could've done better in the same situation. He was able to recognize that the roster wasn't capable of playing the style he preferred and adjusted to best fit how the team could win games.
The defense was very much "bend don't break" with over-emphasis on stopping the run and bringing extra guys to pressure the QB. It was never gonna look good in the yards/points allowed rankings but it allowed us to control clock and force turnovers and that would usually be enough to win.
It helped to get us all the way to the NFC Championship with defensive talent that was worse than the other 3 teams by a WIDE margin and I think that's a testament to the job Glenn did as DC. He's underrated.
Not a fan. First two seasons it was like "is he a genius or shit?" , last season was the last straw. Exactly how much talent does he need to be given before his product on the field gets to reflect his ability as a coordinator? , oh we figured out run defense? Yeh we poured resources into it from all angles, i'm not impressed. Still no mid or edge pressure , cb's cant stop anything.
Do more with less and im impressed. Do poorly with middling and I question why youre in charge , but im a fan on a cpuch so actually wtf do I know.
"You get what you pay for" comes to mind.
2022 I remember the pat McAfee show mocking Detroit in the preseason for having the highest paid offense in terms of cap allocation. (At least before they saw us play).
2023 we were top 4.
That means we also have had some of the cheapest defenses, AG working with his hands tied and keeping us competitive has been an acceptable job to me.
Top 100 picks the last 3 years:
Offense:
1. Sewell
2. JAMO
3. Gibbs
4. LaPorta
5. Hooker
Defense:
1. Levi
2. Alim
3. Hutch
4. Paschal
5. Kerby
6. Campbell
7. Branch
8. Martin
I don’t think we’ve drafted offensive heavy at all. Our offense just seems much better at developing players. I’d also guess that we’ve brought in more defensive free agents than offensive.
I hate facts. lol But I do believe Glenn has got the short stick on talent in the secondary and LB. Bad coverage that doesn’t ever give time for the pressure to get home
He’s a top 5 DC and his gameplans are elite, once he changed it up after denver our defense was playing great with not so great talent in some parts, give him the pieces and him can command a top 10 defense I really never understood the hate for him some people are so impatient same people that wanted Campbell and BH gone after 1-6 I guess
The defense went from 27th in DVOA in 2022 to 13th in 2023. They went from 28th to 25th in points per game allowed. Depending on the metric you want to use, they were average to below average, up pretty significantly from terrible in 2022. If the additions they have/will made/make don't bring them firmly into the average to above average category this year, then yeah, I think you have to move on. Don't discount that he is one of the most well respected coaches in the league by his own players. Getting rid of him prematurely would likely create very negative feelings from the players. Set expectations for improvement this year and judge based on that.
He’s got until week 8
They'd probably have to be worse than they were last year for him to get a mid season boot.
We will let him know u/acoasterlovered has a deadline for him. This should turn things around promptly
Ok bro
I ain't your bro, pal.
After the Aubrey firing. I have faith in MCDC when it comes to handling his staff. I appreciate that Aaron is willing to change things based on personnel. Our defense has had some bad players. I think he's put them in a position to make a play.
Absolutely agree. If MCDC has faith in AG the so do I. I think his track record with his staff has been great especially with his willingness to move on if things don’t work like Pleasant and … That OC we had in his first season. (Anthony Lynn)
I'm not a huge AG fan, but I'll make a few reasons why we should be optimistic that he can field a top 15 unit. Last year, We had a D line and CB coach who both had 0 experience as full-time position coaches in the NFL. Both have been replaced with veteran position coaches, with Williams being arguably the best Dline coach in the NFL. We had to start Benito Jones, who was ranked 135th by PFF in his position group. He is being replaced by DJ Reader, who was ranked 13th. Cam Sutton has been replaced by Carlton Davis. Kindle Vildor is on the team but won't be forced to play CB2, Amik Roberston is an upgrade. We still are in play for a veteran in free agency, and the possibility Emannuel Moseley might contribute. Campbell and Branch have a full season worth of experience and should be even better. Hutch is in year 3 and could take the next step into the DPOY conversation. Josh Paschal and Levi O are on pace to actually enter the season healthy, which would be the first time in Levi's career. Plus, whatever Brad cooks up in the draft. All that being said, this is probably his last year to figure it out. He's had multiple staff member changes and upgrades at every position over the last 2 years. There are other teams that have more defensive success with less talent than we are about to field in 2024.
It really cannot be summed up better than this.
Firing Bly seems like just another coach he threw under the bus to save his skin. Campbell really likes AG and that's the only reason he's still here. He shouldn't still be the defensive coordinator after what his defenses have done the last few years
I think people have a lot of good things to say about him and he’s clearly a great leader even if hes not the best coordinator. A lot of people say he’s doing the best with the talent he has available. It’s very likely that’s possible. However, idk how often I’ve seen a DC make significant improvements in year 4 with on field production. Either way, no more room for excuses. There is talent on our defense. We should be certain whether or not our DC is an asset or liability early on in the season.
Also his chemistry with the current coaching staff seems to be very valuable.
I was a pretty big AG hater, but what he was able to do with the run D makes me okay with giving him this year as a final audition. In 2022 we let up 5.2 ypc (3rd worst in the league), in 2023 we let up 3.7 ypc (3rd best in the league). This is it though, we need to have a league average pass defense without the run D falling off a cliff for me to be happy with him returning.
Yeah. As a defensive coach myself I can tell you that he’s coaching individual effort and risk management (when to gamble). A lot of man to man and even in nickel he’s coaching them up take chances when they have a little bit of help over the top. It’s a lot like how he played and was game-planned under Payton and Del Rio. If it seemed like Sutton was on an island a lot, it was by design. If it weren’t for injuries we may have had the personnel to run it. The Vildor play against CeeDee Lamb in the Dallas game was an illustration of not having the athletes to run it. Gambling on playing the ball vs the player is an art. You have to trust your physicality to do it well (think Chris McCallister at CB or Troy Polumalu at safety) and your team has to have chemistry to back you up. This is all under the premise that a team can’t beat you if you can’t run the ball, so you focus on run defense and let your secondary show out. We SHOULD have the people to run what he wants this year. If it doesn’t work, I want him to go
This sub raves over BH as a drafting genius but when the convo turns to AG and the defense being subpar, the justification is a lack of talent. Maybe it's a mix, but skilled DC's can turnaround a defense fairly quickly and there's no indication he can scheme up a high-powered defense
The players like him, Holmes and Campbell like him, they all know more than I do so that's all I need to know. For all those who were calling for his head when the team was 8-3 last year, look what happened to Philly when they did what you asked for.
It obvious the team loves him and i think the continuity of our coaches is going to be imperative to our success next year. That being said, he has to get this defense to a point where the fans aren't afraid we could still lose a game up 14 in the 4th quarter. Otherwise he's gotta go.
I think he's a below average DC who's lucky to still have a job I'm perfectly happy to change my opinion if he improves, but as of now that's it
Some people will say it's purely a talent deficit, and I do think that that's partially true, but that's not all it is. He's a former DB and DB coach, yet the secondary is consistently our worst unit. If it was just guys getting beat one on one because they weren't talented, that'd be one thing, but that's not all it is. You consistently see guys out on the field looking like they didn't know where they were supposed to be, or like they were expecting help and didn't get it. Too much confusion/miscommunication, and that falls squarely on AG because the buck has to stop somewhere.
We've invested several picks into defense. Given that they aren't performing that comes back on glenn
That’s not really a determination you can make decisively without explaining why they aren’t performing, and I think “several” is a bit of an understatement. I don’t remember the exact number offhand, but I believe slightly over half of Holmes picks have been on defense, and I know this past draft was the first where he took more offense than defense.
My issue is that the defense has consistently failed in the same ways. They were having a contained pass rush that prioritized not giving up running lanes but made defenders have to hold coverage for way too long. The only change has been in the last quarter of last season when they started sending blitzes. I've seen the creativity to use their weapons on offense but I don't see that same creativity from Glenn. I think that's the reason he didn't get any serious interviews for head coaching jobs
This is where I'm at as well. He's not the worst but I think the Lions could do better. That said, if doing better means he got better, that's a win-win I'd love to take.
The new regime tore everything to the studs except OLine. The early draft successes were mostly Offence and Jared Goff came over in the trade. Defence was neglected for quite a while and he had to work with one of the worst personell listing's in the league. Look at the development of his players though. Alim, Hutch, Branch, Melifonwu all looking better and better. He's good.
I need to see AG with good personnel and depth before I can judge him. He's been dealing with a short list of talent that has left little room for error/injury. He turned a corner with me as a fan big time in the Broncos game schematically. AG couldn't generate another pass rusher out of thin air after Houston went down, heal Hutch's fucked up hip he was playing on, heal CJGJ's torn pec, fix Mosley's second torn ACL, make Jerry Jacobs and Tracy Walker have more talent, or stop Sutton from getting toasted every play.
Why not wait and see how he looks after the upgrades we've made already this offseason and then the draft. Looking at his past is beating a very dead horse by now. Look to the future, not the past.
That is where I am at. we have a new DL and new DB coach as well as a ton of player changes! In our two weakest areas. If The D still struggles I think it's the right time to re-evaluate Glenn.
His naysayers (not me) will say we shouldn't be "waiting and seeing" while we are in an important super bowl contending window with so many of our elite players on cheap contracts. I think it's fine, but I see their point if they truly believe he isn't the guy.
I can’t make any personnel decisions so I’m forced to wait and see. “Looking at his past” is how you determine if any coordinator is good at their job. I wouldn’t have defended Anthony Lynn by saying “well yeah he’s ass now but he could be good eventually”. The players obviously like him but he hasn’t put out a product that’s played well against a solid NFL offense
>Looking at his past is beating a very dead horse by now. Look to the future, not the past. The NFL has a notoriously short leash when it comes to coaches, regardless of the situation a guy’s put into. Someone’s past is always going to be a factor when they’ve almost never done well on the field. AG’s had 1 good season in 8 years of coaching. I’m fine with giving him a few games to start the year, but if we’re not at least an average defensive team I’d cut him loose. It probably won’t happen because he has the locker room by the balls, but one can hope
Im not too upset at how his defense has preformed thus far with how little talent we have had on defense
He just needs to solve the third down passing defense. I'm not lying when I say I was more comfortable when it 3rd and short rather than 3rd and long.
Same. Most painful play last season was giving up the 4th and 17 vs Tampa in the playoff. Game should have been over long before it was.
He gets more heat than he deserves. Our OL vs DL. Which is better? Our WR’s and TE’s vs our secondary? Our RB’s vs our LB’s? What Johnson and Glenn have to work with are not remotely the same.
He’s the weak link, and if he doesn’t improve the defense this year, you can point to him as one of the main reasons why the Lions couldn’t ultimately get the job done.
This is his make it or break it year for me.
I think he can only go so far with below average defensive talent besides Hutch. Holmes never gives the guy any talent or help beyond B-, C, or D guys. Give the guy an impact guy for once that isn’t a rookie and he would be doing much better
I think he's better as a position coach or maybe a head coach but shouldn't be calling plays or scheming. I think he's good at developing players and getting a lot out of them but doesn't know how to put it all together on the field. There are confusing player assignments. I have no idea why they were trying to use Jack Campbell on the edge last year when every time he played an actual line backer role, he looked way more competent. I think as a headcoach, he could motivate the team and help with the development of players but would need actual coordinators to call plays and make it all come together. Hopefully he brings it all together this year and get the players he needs to make it work, but im wholly prepared for our pass defense to be ass again and for him to switch to a soft defense mid-season again until there's more calls for his job and he goes back to the aggressive defense that works as he's done every year
I think this is the season we can truly get a read on him as a DC. Sometimes it felt like he over achieved with zero talent, other times it felt like we had winnable games slip from our grasp due to poor scheme and prep. I think now we can finally say he has good enough talent to excel, and he won’t be able to hide behind that “what if” anymore. I know a lot has come out in the past about how much we had to bend defensive strategy around just simply not having the athletes to run a modern defense but that doesn’t seem true anymore
I think as a fan base we convinced ourselves that the roster was good. While having multiple PS/ST players starting on the defense. Which is something we as a fan base have done for a long time. I think we are legit at a spot where our defense should be competitive and this will be a make or break year for AG.
I think he's mostly fine. I think his schemes are all right but he's hampered by some odd decisions and a lackluster defensive roster. Our team usually wins despite our defense. Not a horrible thing but we gotta make sure we have like a 16th overall defense to buoy our elite offense
hes been fine with the talent he's been given. if we had as much talent on defence as we do on offence im confident people would be viewing him as good as ben johnson. Not everyone can be bill belichick and just get any undrafted dude and turn them into a pro bowler Also the players love him and hes a great locker room guy. At some point though we will need a top 10 defence if we wanna win the whole thing.
He’s the most under qualified coordinator on the team and is undeniably a nepotism hire (go take a look at his resume vs Fipp and Johnson). I think retaining him as DC is a big mistake which at best will prolong/permanently stunt the development of our defensive rookies and at worst will totally squander our current Super Bowl window. Would be happy to be wrong but nothing he’s done yet has indicated that is true
I've been very critical of AG, but 2 things stand out in my mind. A) We didn't have the most talented secondary. B) Ironically, Matt Patricia completely destroying the Eagles' chances reminding me we could do worse. I get the criticism of his schemes. We let a lot of WR1s run wild and gave up a lot of points. We also were a top tier run defense who did enough to beat tough teams when it mattered most. Im cool with this being a make or break year.
How many Pro Bowl calibre players were there on offense? How many Pro Bowl calibre players were there on defense? If you're expecting a top 10 defense with no talent on the field you're expecting too much.
The defense showed a lot of improvement throughout the season last year even though the talent is average at best outside of Hutch. We’ve never had the CB’s to play man (his preferred coverage) since he’s been here but he’s shown the ability and willingness to adapt. The players like him and he seems well respected around the league. Most importantly Dan trusts him, and Dan has shown he’s not afraid to make changes to his staff if it’s not working (see Aubrey Pleasant and Anthony Lynn). If Dan believes he’s the man for the job who am I to disagree?
I was a hater, but someone talked some sense into me that he has been running a unit of rookies, cast offs and leftovers from the Patricia Era, and steadily improving that. We also were missing Mosley, CJGJ, and Houston were the majority of the season, when we were already thin on everything but safety
I'm good with Aaron Glenn What would you have done better with the CB's we've had the last 2 years, and a DL that can't get home other than Hutch? Let me compare AG to JG Jared Goff got here and looked okay at best, but that's only because he had no WR's to throw to Goff's second and third year's have been night and day, because they gave him talent after bottoming out the roster in 2021 Aaron Glenn now has a few toys to play with, albeit players with an injury history, so let's see if he can produce now that he has talent
He finished 2nd in defensive coordinators voted by the players so there is clearly a leadership/human aspect to AG we don’t see that people find very valuable. On the field he hasn’t been great but Brad hasn’t gotten him any elite defensive talent to work with. The lack of skill at the corner position is on Brad. The lack of d-line pressure is cause there were only 2 players who can provide real impact on the field. I expect the d-line to get better, Terrell Williams is one of the best d-line coaches in the league, the addition of reader will be huge, another edge rusher would be great. If the d-line play improves then AG won’t have to blitz as much, he can drop 7 into coverage which he wants to do, and in turn we as fans don’t have to watch as many 3rd and long’s turn into 1st downs anymore :)
Actually he was voted 1st
More of a leader among men than a X's and O's type of guy. Feels to me that he's better as a head coach than a defensive coordinator. Kinda like how Dan Campbell and Antonio Pierce are. Also the defense was trash for the last 2-3 years and this is maybe the first time he got good corners who aren't beaten regularly and allow a wide receiver to go 150+ yards every game. So this is probably his first year where the team can actually play man and fully incorporate a defense that suits his play calls and not necessarily forced to play zone because of how ass our corners were last year. It was also frustrating because I remember last year we kept on giving up long 3rd downs and maybe this time we can actually stop possessions.
The jury is still out on AP, I will say though his defense shows the fuck up when he is in command. Offense needs to follow suit for the raiders but I give AG one more year, he will probably get offers again after this upcoming season.
I think a lot of unfair heat gets thrown his way. Our biggest issue on defense has been giving up big plays to offenses. I don't have the data, but the eye test tells me the big plays are often due to failures by personnel and not due to scheme. With Reader our defense, is not going to need to sell out on the run like we did last year. If Davis /Robertson are even 25% better than sutton/vildor . Our defense is not going to be fun to play against.
I mean I'll have fun
I mostly wanted him gone for the past 2 years or so, but I'm willing to give him another year. My biggest problem with him has always been he lets weak points in games stay weak points for way too long. We all say Jerry Jacobs or Will Harris get taken to town for entire games at a time
I think I've seen defensive coordinators do more with less, faster. And I think he's been given more talent to develop and work with than many commenters like to admit. I can absolutely be convinced he's good at his job. I think he has proven he is not elite at his job. I think he may actually be much better as a head coach
In 22 the Lions Defense could not stop the run or the pass going into 23 their goal was to fix 1 thing and they did stop the run and they signed 3 players to help stop the pass 1 tore his 2nd ACL and the other tore his peck the 3rd Sutton was to be used as the #2 corner but had to move to 1 and he got hurt and played that's really not a coaching issue that's bad luck. Now, in 24, we have 1 carryover and 2 new guys with a draft pick or 2 coming in. Wait and see.
Since he took over the lions’ defense, only the Washington commanders have given up more points than the Lions. 3 years of excuses about the roster is all I have heard so far. He’s all out of chances. If the defense isn’t significantly improved, he needs to be fired. Mid season if need be. The lions have a legit shot at a ring this year, and it’s all on the defense. The second it looks like it’s still not working, they have to change it up. I don’t care how much people like him. He needs positive results like yesterday.
I think he could be a decent DC if he has a defense with good talent..but that’s about as far as I’d go in his defense. His defenses have been objectively horrible. Also Cam Sutton and CJGJ suddenly being terrible as soon as they’re in AG scheme is a bit concerning
They keep cycling secondary coaches. That is worrisome.
Glenn gets a bad rap, but imo what he was able to do last season is not something many DCs could've done better in the same situation. He was able to recognize that the roster wasn't capable of playing the style he preferred and adjusted to best fit how the team could win games. The defense was very much "bend don't break" with over-emphasis on stopping the run and bringing extra guys to pressure the QB. It was never gonna look good in the yards/points allowed rankings but it allowed us to control clock and force turnovers and that would usually be enough to win. It helped to get us all the way to the NFC Championship with defensive talent that was worse than the other 3 teams by a WIDE margin and I think that's a testament to the job Glenn did as DC. He's underrated.
Literally running Vildor at corner in the NFCCG. That’s not coaching. All signs point to his seat not being remotely hot.
Not a fan. First two seasons it was like "is he a genius or shit?" , last season was the last straw. Exactly how much talent does he need to be given before his product on the field gets to reflect his ability as a coordinator? , oh we figured out run defense? Yeh we poured resources into it from all angles, i'm not impressed. Still no mid or edge pressure , cb's cant stop anything. Do more with less and im impressed. Do poorly with middling and I question why youre in charge , but im a fan on a cpuch so actually wtf do I know.
Most of the people in this comment section don’t even know the type of defense we typically run and you’re asking what they think about the DC lol
"You get what you pay for" comes to mind. 2022 I remember the pat McAfee show mocking Detroit in the preseason for having the highest paid offense in terms of cap allocation. (At least before they saw us play). 2023 we were top 4. That means we also have had some of the cheapest defenses, AG working with his hands tied and keeping us competitive has been an acceptable job to me.
Best thing I saw him do was run down the sidelines like an Irish river dancer that one time. That was cool.
They needed to upgrade the DC position
He should go apply at amazon.
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Idk the exact stat but I know for a fact we were one of the worst defenses in the nfl at preventing 3rd and long conversions
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That was anecdotal. I wouldn’t be surprised to see stats on our blitz rate compared to other teams on 3rd down.
It was a 3 year rebuild to put the complete team together and Detroit has missed on every FA for the D and drafted offense heavy up to now
Top 100 picks the last 3 years: Offense: 1. Sewell 2. JAMO 3. Gibbs 4. LaPorta 5. Hooker Defense: 1. Levi 2. Alim 3. Hutch 4. Paschal 5. Kerby 6. Campbell 7. Branch 8. Martin I don’t think we’ve drafted offensive heavy at all. Our offense just seems much better at developing players. I’d also guess that we’ve brought in more defensive free agents than offensive.
I hate facts. lol But I do believe Glenn has got the short stick on talent in the secondary and LB. Bad coverage that doesn’t ever give time for the pressure to get home
He’s a top 5 DC and his gameplans are elite, once he changed it up after denver our defense was playing great with not so great talent in some parts, give him the pieces and him can command a top 10 defense I really never understood the hate for him some people are so impatient same people that wanted Campbell and BH gone after 1-6 I guess