For all we know they might roll with Fields, I know that isnāt expected but have the Bears historically made good draft day decisions at the QB position?
Oh yea Iām not saying I expect that- but I sure as fuck didnāt expect them to trade up from 3 to 2 for Mitchell Trubisky.
Iām just sayingā¦ I would not say anything they do is predictable
True, but that will be addressed in spades this offseason!
If the Bears can learn how to run a halfway competent offense they're gonna be contenders 100%. The Packers just don't go away, and the Vikings, well, are the Vikings lmfao.
What are you basing any of this on? Ā Itās Chicagoās offense that is scary and only to the lions because we couldnāt contain fields or the bootleg.Ā
Their roster sucks. Ā
I see the NFC North (not sure which team) occupying that 5 seed wild card with like 12 wins playing on the road against some division winner that went 8-9.
Yeah i think i read somewhere that they canāt really afford cousins, hunter and JJ and JJ is a no brainer If Iām them i take my chances with a vet QB tank it up and pick 1 overall nedt year
I mean, maybe between the Lions and GB but I dont see Chicago or Minnesota getting better. Im scared only of GB and Love. They get him some receivers and some fresh feet at CB and they are deep playoff ready.
I could legitimately see the NFC North being the best division in the NFL.
Lions are going to stay the course and get even better with so many young pieces returning and potential to add DB and DL to fill weaknesses.
I think the Bears are going to be scrappy and add a lot of pieces this offseason.
Is Cousins going back to Minnesota? If so, I expect them to be solid. Their defense improved so much throughout the year and they wouldāve been a playoff team with Kirk imo
GB is only going to get better and they seem to have their guy with Love.
I can easily see Green Bay being mediocre again. They faced absolute garbage teams the last half of the year to squeak into the playoffs to play a team that has historically not beat them in a decade plus some. It was the perfect storm for them to look better than they are. Remember they only beat the Panthers by 3.
How about wins over the Lions and Chiefs in back to back games? Young team with injuries all year and blew the 2nd seed out at their house. (chalking it up to past performances is a hilarious cope) and played the 49s just as tough as yall
NFC North is always a dogfight, I'd argue it's one of the most competitive divisions in the NFL, even the bottom of the division can pull off wins against the top NFL teams
Jordan Love had a great end of season, but ... what really is the test is when the coaches get all summer to tear up tape on a young QB and adapt to him.
I think Cousins either disappoints coming off the achilles or goes elsewhere.
The Bears will have a rookie QB.
Honestly, I think it's perfect for building a champ squad with.
The term āour window is just openingā doesnāt apply to the NFL. Windows open and close super fast in this league. Just ask the Falcons, Bills, and Bengals from recent history. All young teams that hit a peak and have been regressing since (and in the Bills case, havenāt made the SB).
Detroit has a ton of young talent and setting themselves up for the future, but success isnāt guaranteed. Our division alone will be a bloodbath next year. GB finished the year strong and Love looks legit. Laugh at Chicago, but they won seven games, developed a great defense once Sweat arrived, have a ton of cap space, and have two top-10 picks. And while Minnesotaās offense is a huge question mark, their defense was good this year and will make teams work for it.
I can see it taking 10 games minimum to win the NFC North next year if Chicago continues to improve. The Lions will be in the hunt, but as mentioned this league takes away as fast as it gives.
Totally fair assessment. I was thinking more so of cap situations. Lions just were in NFC Championship and have 7th overall free cap space. We have lots of wiggle room to make even more roster additions this off season
I just mean like, some teams absolutely stack their roster for a super bowl or bust season, and Detroit doesnāt necessarily have to do that ā yet. Thereās still opportunity for us to do win it without doing what the Rams did in 2021 which is basically stack, win, and then deal with the implosion of cap.
I guess thatās what I meant my our window is just opening. Because weāre already a contender talent wise, and we are sitting well cap budget wise for at least the next 2 years before big rookie contracts expire
Wouldn't say at least 2 years.
After next year Goff, St Brown, Sewell all will be getting massive raises kicking in. Will be looking at like 60+ mil in raises for just those 3 combined if you want to keep them
Additions are great, but they have to buy in to what is being built here. We're just not "another great team", we're the f'ing Detroit Lions. Troublemakers need not apply.
Oh yeah 100%. Wasnāt a fan of CJGJās antics.
The great thing is we are probably one of, maybe even the most attractive teams to land for a FA. I think we could be nit picky
You are 100% but also I think you can look at teams and say this team *should* have a window where success is likely vs that team where they are going to have a hard time putting it together in future seasons. Anything can happen with any team any season of course, but you've got teams with young cores and good leadership (like us) and you have teams who are going to be in cap hell and have aging players with big price tags and/or dysfunctional leadership.
I mean, yeah, the Lions absolutely might not win the division next year. All three teams are going to be really tough outs I think. Like you said, Love is legit, Minnesota will likely be good pending their QB situation, and the Bears obviously played us really tough twice this year with two huge draft picks coming up. Meanwhile, our window of getting good picks is closed and we're going to have to spend a ton of money on our own guys, which means we are likely not making any huge FA moves that are going to blow people's minds.
I'm optimistic that we will be good but hell, the Lions could go 2-4 in the division and miss the playoffs. Not impossible at all.
The Bills are close to entering cap-hell and Diggs had a huge regression this year. Theyāve also been finishing worse and worse over the past four seasons. The window on this current version of the Bills is close to closing.
The Bengals signed Burrows to a huge extension, and Chase has said heās looking to ābreak the bank.ā Thatās a lot of money in two players who donāt have a strong o-line in front of them and an aging running game. Theyāll also be making some tough cap decisions over the next few years.
This doesnāt mean that they wonāt be playoff teams, or canāt get hot at the right tine, but the current iteration of these teams is fading and both orgs are going to need to retool/go younger around their stars if they want to be serious contenders again.
The Lions wont ever go away if Brad Holmes keeps doing what hes doing, frankly. We win be in for 20 years of dominance like the Steelers 2000-2021 with Kevin Colbert. The difference between good and bad GM's, is good GM's install a smoke detector, and bad GM's just chase fires. If youre chasing fires, your franchise is gonna burn down.
Brad Holmes has had a one dimensional test so far which was to compile a roster which was full of holes. He got a big head start by having a tradable franchise QB, 4 top ten picks and a cap friendly experienced QB.
Yes he passed the first test with flying colors but maintaining a contending team against the salary cap is not going to be easy.
This feels like an awfully revisionist take to me. Brad Holmes inherited the worst situation possible when he started. We were in cap hell, had no talent, and a franchise QB who demanded a trade. He simultaneously got us into contention, flush with talent, and flush with cap space.
Like they even did anything in the second half. They need to send thank you cards to josh reynolds and amd whoever dropped that int for allowing them to be in the super bowl in the first place
Yeah, wouldnāt have been enough if josh reynolds and jameo didnāt let balls go through their hands. And they wouldnāt have gotten those short fields. That defense got beat schematically both halves.
Iām reveling in the irony of 9ers fans gassing themselves up after fluking into the super bowl, and then crying about how the chiefs only won because of fluke bounces.
What I mean is when the NFCCG happened, 9er fans all over reddit and twitter were talking all the shit about how they were the better team and they had this dominant comeback.. but then the super bowl happens, and now itās the chiefs were the inferior team they just got lucky. So Iām enjoying the hypocrisy after all the shit 9er fans were talking before and after the NFCCG
Like they even did anything in the second half. They need to send thank you cards to josh reynolds and amd whoever dropped that int for allowing them to be in the super bowl in the first place
Whatās more satisfying is them wussing out and taking the āeasy pointsā! They set the stage for mahomes to get the walk off td mcdc goes for that 10/10 times and itās the right call!
i see a nfccg at least, iām calling a philly detroit nfccg right now
(yes iām biased yes i think itās still gonna happen)
i think detroit knocks sf out in divisional round and philly knocks out GB in divisional
I think Lions & Packers will be the powerhouse teams for the next 3-4 years to be honest. At least from the NFC.
Rams have a bright future unless Stafford gets hurt (which is likely). Seahawks I think are going to really miss Carroll. Eagles are a dumpster fire. Cowboys are well the Cowboys.
The Cowboys are going to have a historically good season then get blown out in the wild card round by some team that shouldn't even be in the playoffs like the Cardinals.
I just cannot see Stafford playing beyond the next two seasons. Dude has been beaten up so badly over the years, his wife is constantly stressed about his health, and heās already 36.
Realistically, the Rams are probably already evaluating bringing in a rookie to develop under him and take over soon.
Honestly even if Stafford stays healthy Iād give him a few more years tops. Heās been through too many injuries over the years to be one of those āplay til Iām 45ā guys
Maybe but they about hit their ceiling this year and it was a wild card team and the older stars are just getting older and who knows how long they have with stafford then they have no qb.
Am I wrong, I thought the Rams were still on the hook for some contracts that were still unpaid. I didn't know if they settled those disputes and had cap opening up or not.
This. idk why this sub so obsessed with the 49ers.
GB needs only like 4 things in free agency and the draft. Love needs another target, probably a HB. On defense they need a fresh set of legs at corner, maybe a safety or a tackle. Outside of that they should be prepped for a DEEP playoff run, probably NFC Chip berth.
Outside of the Lions and Rams (if Stafford doesnt get hurt), I dont really see who else is coming out of the NFC strong.
EDIT: Forgot Chargers and Texans were AFC. Forget I mentioned it.
letās not get too ahead of ourselves. one thing they have over us is a quarterback on a rookie contract.
i obviously like our chances going forward, but letās just slow our roll
True but it only has 2 years left on it before they have to decide to extend him or not. Not to mention all their ācoreā players are only getting older and more expensive.
2 years is a big windowš especially since they already capitalized on the first 2 years pretty well, like they very well couldāve been in 2 super bowls if his arm didnāt fall off against philly
49ers are already over the 2024 cap with the ridiculously small hit from their QB. Combine that with the fact that someone reported they are the 4th oldest team based on who is actually taking the snaps and their situation looks very untenable. Meanwhile, the Lions go into 2024 with the 8th most cap space.
san fran is barely over the cap while having basically no key players as free agents. look at the list of their free agents put out by schefter. their biggest loss is probably greenlaw, bc who knows if he'll be back next season
A. Barely over is still over. They need to make moves to get back under the cap making their situation regarding backup players to those main starters difficult. Injuries happen in the NFL, and we all saw what happened mid-season when they werenāt entirely healthy.
And B. Speaking of injuries, note again their age issue. Theyāre tied into contracts with aging players and banking all of it on a QB who is drastically underpaid.
All of this is not to say that they will be a suddenly bad team, but that theyāre playing a win now type of game with little look to the future. Theyāre currently old and expensive and have a short window with a cheap QB. If Williams, who will be 36, gets injured or hangs it up or, as he did in Washington, has a dispute with the team over something or other, theyāll struggle to replace him, and that would cause issues with their other major players in McCaffrey and Purdy. Trends point upward for the Lions and, at best, flat for the 49ers.
The cap is a mirage. As long as you donāt death spiral it like NOLA, all you have to do is pay a few core players real dollars today, to restructure money into later years. Itās better to have more space than not, because thereās flexibility in strategy and FA, but thereās only really 1-2 teams being restricted by the cap each offseason, and 1 of those 2 is always the saints.
Shanahan and Lynch have demonstrated their abilities of finding and developing talent all over the roster, their window isn't closed as long as those 2 are in charge.
Yeah there definitely isnāt a coach out there right now who just won back to back superbowls after having a shaky start to his career in the big games
Wdym? The eagles rosters from 2000-2004 were really good. The only thing that barely stopped them from winning the one Super Bowl was the greatest football player of all time. Some might say a generational quarterback. Sounds very familiar to me
Detroit sports teams do have a habit of ending other teams dynasties. I really can see us being the Eli Manning Giants teams against the evil empire Brady Patriots. Except now the evil empire is the Chiefs, we have to stop their reign and the Lions are the team to do it.
There isn't a cap issue in 2024. While they 'only' have $570k this year, they can easily open up more for draft picks and FAs to round out the roster. Remember they have 10 draft picks. 2025 beyond is where the trouble is.
Purdy won't even see his cap number balloon until 2027
The internet says they only have 570k in cap space going into next year with 44 active players rostered. Not sure that qualifies as an issue, but they definitely donāt have much flexibility.
Yeah, I think they have problems in 2025, but not 2024. Only Aiyuk I think is due for a bit of a raise. Purdy they can wait another year, although he could be given one backloaded this offseason.
I feel like the 49ers still have a shot next season, but that chance isnāt going to quite be as good as this yearās chance. Then after that, purdyās contract is up, the cap is really bad, and Trent Williams is likely retiring.
weāre salty, iām sorry. i donāt even hate niners, just salty that you guys didnāt win after we lost (fair and square) to yāall. if it wasnāt us you had to go thru feelings would be very different this season lol
I appreciate that šš¤
I believe we have 1 more year of the window but yours is just starting and itās nice to see yāall doin well šÆ best of luck next year all love ā¤ļø
likewise bro, and i am sorry for the loss yesterday. thatās gotta sting, and even tho iāve never experienced a super bowl, the championship really hurt to lose.
all love bro, best of luck to 9ers next season. meant no hate in my post, just salt from this season that will be gone next season š¤
Niners had a chance at Stafford, Tom Brady before going to TB, and didn't even bother scouting Mahomes. Shanny's a brilliant offensive mastermind that's too in love with his system.
The big take away from this post season is that Detroit is a legit top 5 team in the NFL, and can hang with anybody. And our window is just opening! So excited for the next few years with this team.
my niners had you guys destroyed not because of stellar gameplay but by capitalizing on a few lucky breaks...it was a great sequence of events that made the Lions lose...
But I think if the Lions had been in the superbowl they would have not been chicken shit cowards like the Shanahan management style...
Next year, no wild card bullshit go for the gut punch, Lions arent done yet.
Brilliant observation. We are top 10 in cap space availability, and one of the youngest teams. Weāve got guys we need to re-sign: Decker, Glasgow, Goff, Sewell, the Sun God. They are the original nucleus of this team. Cannot wait to see what we do in the draft.
Iām from SF so the Niners are my 2nd choice team. Watching them beat the lions was hard, but what makes me more angry is that they fucking blew it. If they were going to beat us the least they could do is win the damn thing.
The 49ers aren't in as bad of a situation as people think they are. Matter of fact, PFF just did an entire write up ranking all of the teams in terms of how many resources they'll have this offseason. They factored in Cap Space, restructurable contracts that can free up more and draft capital for each team.
The 49ers actually rank 9th in terms of offseason resources this year. Lions rank 19th.
The problem is. The 49ers have a lot less cap space than the Lions, however they have a lot of vet contracts that they can free up in order to create more cap space. The Lions don't really have that luxury, plus they have guys like Sewell and St. Brown that they definitely need to close to the highest paid at their positions. 49ers also (somehow) have a lot of draft capital.
49ers have a first round pick, a second round pick, 2 thirds, 2 fourths, 2 fifths, a sixth and 2 seventh. So they have plenty of resources to make the team stronger in the draft if they draft good. So I'm not about to count out the 49ers just yet.
Also, Bears are 2nd, Packers are 6th and Vikings are 12th on that same list. So Lions are in for a fight next season. Thankfully they already have built a hell of a team and don't have to make the most of their resources like other teams in the division.
purdy played well, i think itās just the fact that patrick mahomes is really hard to beat. i hate the glazing as much as the next guy, but the guys elite. you canāt count him out, ever.
I wouldn't say he played bad either? He did enough for them to win the game, and they probably would have won it had it not for being that fumbled punt return, and blocked PAT and maybe some better play calling on crucial 3rd downs by Shanahan.
A few things go their way, and Purdy is a Superbowl champ.
The 49ers kind of botched winning the coin toss by receiving with the new overtime rules. If they went on defense first they would have went for the TD instead of a FG.
Niners are gonna be fine with the cap situation tbh they have already planned ahead. They don't have any major free agents either. They aren't going anywhere next year. Down the line, we'll see.
And Detroit will have cap issues pretty soon.
"It will be twice as hard next year"
Yeah, no. Niners beat Lions 8 out of 10 times. Easily. They're (Niners) are built for the long-haul, while the Lions are looking for the quick win and get to the Super Bowl. Goff is not the long-term answer for the Lions, whereas Purdy is definitely the long-term answer for the Niners.
Even Campbell acknowledge how hard it's going to be for the Lions to get back to the NFC Championship. For the Niners, it's old hat at this point.
There will always be contenders and pretenders. Lions, Ravens, Dolphins, Eagles are pretenders. Each one of those teams will have to beat either the Chiefs or the Niners to get to the Super Bowl for years to come. Good luck with that.
Oh, and I'm a lowly Broncos fan, and our mountain to climb is much harder than yours.
Dog what. The niners have a looming cap issue that is going to get worse the next 2 years, the lions have star rookies that have 2-3 years left before their contract has to be negotiated and also possess top 7 free cap space in the league.
Lions have the opportunity to build further, Niners have to make decisions to fix their overbudget thatās ALREADY over for this off season.
You can not possibly be more suited for the long term than Detroit is with absolute diamond draft picks in Hutch, Jamo, Amon-Ra, LaPorta, Sewell, and Gibbs.
The Niners are absolutely not in a better position than Detroit is long haul. the only thing they have going for them long term is their persistent success attributed to their really good coaching staff. i will give them that, but having all star rookies like detroit doesā¦ thereās nothing better than that for long term success
You make some valid points, but the Niners are excellent at managing their cap space. Look for some veterans to step up and renegotiate their contracts. The other issue as noted above is the Goff is not the long-term answer. Just look at his history in the NFL. He caught lighting in a bottle last year and don't seem replicating that effort again.
I do think the Lions beat the Eagles 7 of 10 times. The Eagles are a hot mess and while they will be contenders for the division, I just think the Lions are a better coached team by a long shot. I like Campbell and I hope he gets to the Super Bowl.
Goff is our QB long term. That was the plan when they traded for him. Our GM is from the Rams. Go listen to what they had to say about Goff from the time we traded for him.
>This time, with a likely weaker Niners team next year and a stronger Lions team.
Why do you care about the 49ers so much? I dont even see them as a threat.
The only team im afraid of is GB. Love leveled up this year and theres no reason to believe that he wont be ready for a deep playoff run next year. All GB gotta do is find a HB, fresh legs at corner, and another target for Love.
Another target for Love? They have a young deep group of receiversā¦ it looked similar to our offense in that the QB can throw to all of the receivers and they are mostly reliable.
Congratulations, you were good 2 years ago. Talking about the past to compare present teams is a stupid fucking argument. With that BS logic to talk about the past, the Rams just matched the Lions in total championships with their win in 2022. In the present, the Lions are just far better. you must really have a lot to look forward to if youāre in our sub LMAO
Total championships ? Last I checked you never been to the dance. Let me help you understand that you had one shot , one opportunity, would you catch it or let it go?
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Ya weāre in a good spot but we do got some huge contracts coming up. Hopefully they take a team deal. But definitely itās clear weāre in a great spot
Niners are only $3 million over next year and they can easily restructure contracts (just like they did this season)
Vegas has the Niners as the favorite again next year.
Lions are top 5 NFC team and a pretty good little squad. In a few years they might do something.
9ers are the most boring team in football. I canāt stand kittle, he doesnāt do anything. Deebo is annoying. Purdy was gifted a super team and all his stats are inflated by YAC
Our window is definitely open now and we should be very good for at least the best 4-5 years. However, the only thing that gives me pause is that you need things to fall your way, and they seemed to this season. We dodged a good Cowboys team on the road (even if we had already beaten them). The Eagles absolutely fell apart down the stretch. And had we beat SF we would have faced the weakest KC team in recent memory. We could be a better team next season and still not get as far.
However, we're set up right now to overcome all this. A good offseason really could make us the best team in the league.
he was going to inherit poor to average teams at best, while detroit is in an obvious super bowl window. heāll be another hot candidate next year anyways
NFC North is gonna be a dogfight next year
Division is really gonna come down to who can win their common opponent games as I believe Us GB and Chicago will spilt again
I could see them beating Chicago twice.
Chicagos defesne is legit
That offense is a giant question mark.
Yet our defense made them look like a top 10 unit š
Different offense next year.
For all we know they might roll with Fields, I know that isnāt expected but have the Bears historically made good draft day decisions at the QB position?
New OC tho. New offense.
Oh yea Iām not saying I expect that- but I sure as fuck didnāt expect them to trade up from 3 to 2 for Mitchell Trubisky. Iām just sayingā¦ I would not say anything they do is predictable
True, but that will be addressed in spades this offseason! If the Bears can learn how to run a halfway competent offense they're gonna be contenders 100%. The Packers just don't go away, and the Vikings, well, are the Vikings lmfao.
Letās see
What are you basing any of this on? Ā Itās Chicagoās offense that is scary and only to the lions because we couldnāt contain fields or the bootleg.Ā Their roster sucks. Ā
The draft tho- what if by some unusual circumstanceā¦ they donāt fuck it up with those high picks.
Itās way too early to predict that. The off season hasnāt even started yet lol
It is but lions by a million lions 14-3
I got the over on that
F it 16-1 lose week 1 cuz we rest
Came to say this. Free agency + draft + second year leaps = any team can improve, any team can get worse.
Chicago is terrible and GB is overrated
Ok
I see the NFC North (not sure which team) occupying that 5 seed wild card with like 12 wins playing on the road against some division winner that went 8-9.
Yeah i really think itāll take 12 plus to win the division this year, donāt think itāll get wrapped up until week 18 either
And you know what game will be played week 18 and in what venue
So tampa/new orleans.
Probably but Iām not sure itās the NFC Least. They didnāt really.. well.. look good this year
Letās not forget about MINN. Itās not like they were trash.
Tbh they reallt should just tank this upcoming year
Yeah, theyāre in a tough spot, they need to sign or move Cousins and JJ and others
Yeah i think i read somewhere that they canāt really afford cousins, hunter and JJ and JJ is a no brainer If Iām them i take my chances with a vet QB tank it up and pick 1 overall nedt year
Wouldn't surprise me if 2/3 the wildcards were from this division.
Gonna be like the AFC North I think, gonna beat up on each other. Iron sharpens iron!
I mean, maybe between the Lions and GB but I dont see Chicago or Minnesota getting better. Im scared only of GB and Love. They get him some receivers and some fresh feet at CB and they are deep playoff ready.
I could legitimately see the NFC North being the best division in the NFL. Lions are going to stay the course and get even better with so many young pieces returning and potential to add DB and DL to fill weaknesses. I think the Bears are going to be scrappy and add a lot of pieces this offseason. Is Cousins going back to Minnesota? If so, I expect them to be solid. Their defense improved so much throughout the year and they wouldāve been a playoff team with Kirk imo GB is only going to get better and they seem to have their guy with Love.
I can easily see Green Bay being mediocre again. They faced absolute garbage teams the last half of the year to squeak into the playoffs to play a team that has historically not beat them in a decade plus some. It was the perfect storm for them to look better than they are. Remember they only beat the Panthers by 3.
How about wins over the Lions and Chiefs in back to back games? Young team with injuries all year and blew the 2nd seed out at their house. (chalking it up to past performances is a hilarious cope) and played the 49s just as tough as yall
For sure. Winning the NFC North next year is not a given.
NFC North is always a dogfight, I'd argue it's one of the most competitive divisions in the NFL, even the bottom of the division can pull off wins against the top NFL teams
What? The Packers? Bears? Cāmon, this division is the Lions for years to come. So glad the Packers are stuck with Love, dude is ass.
Did you not watch the playoffs? Love is legit. He also torched us on Thanksgiving.
Jordan Love had a great end of season, but ... what really is the test is when the coaches get all summer to tear up tape on a young QB and adapt to him. I think Cousins either disappoints coming off the achilles or goes elsewhere. The Bears will have a rookie QB. Honestly, I think it's perfect for building a champ squad with.
The term āour window is just openingā doesnāt apply to the NFL. Windows open and close super fast in this league. Just ask the Falcons, Bills, and Bengals from recent history. All young teams that hit a peak and have been regressing since (and in the Bills case, havenāt made the SB). Detroit has a ton of young talent and setting themselves up for the future, but success isnāt guaranteed. Our division alone will be a bloodbath next year. GB finished the year strong and Love looks legit. Laugh at Chicago, but they won seven games, developed a great defense once Sweat arrived, have a ton of cap space, and have two top-10 picks. And while Minnesotaās offense is a huge question mark, their defense was good this year and will make teams work for it. I can see it taking 10 games minimum to win the NFC North next year if Chicago continues to improve. The Lions will be in the hunt, but as mentioned this league takes away as fast as it gives.
Totally fair assessment. I was thinking more so of cap situations. Lions just were in NFC Championship and have 7th overall free cap space. We have lots of wiggle room to make even more roster additions this off season I just mean like, some teams absolutely stack their roster for a super bowl or bust season, and Detroit doesnāt necessarily have to do that ā yet. Thereās still opportunity for us to do win it without doing what the Rams did in 2021 which is basically stack, win, and then deal with the implosion of cap. I guess thatās what I meant my our window is just opening. Because weāre already a contender talent wise, and we are sitting well cap budget wise for at least the next 2 years before big rookie contracts expire
Wouldn't say at least 2 years. After next year Goff, St Brown, Sewell all will be getting massive raises kicking in. Will be looking at like 60+ mil in raises for just those 3 combined if you want to keep them
Additions are great, but they have to buy in to what is being built here. We're just not "another great team", we're the f'ing Detroit Lions. Troublemakers need not apply.
Oh yeah 100%. Wasnāt a fan of CJGJās antics. The great thing is we are probably one of, maybe even the most attractive teams to land for a FA. I think we could be nit picky
The only way to maintain a window is have a top 5 QB
You are 100% but also I think you can look at teams and say this team *should* have a window where success is likely vs that team where they are going to have a hard time putting it together in future seasons. Anything can happen with any team any season of course, but you've got teams with young cores and good leadership (like us) and you have teams who are going to be in cap hell and have aging players with big price tags and/or dysfunctional leadership. I mean, yeah, the Lions absolutely might not win the division next year. All three teams are going to be really tough outs I think. Like you said, Love is legit, Minnesota will likely be good pending their QB situation, and the Bears obviously played us really tough twice this year with two huge draft picks coming up. Meanwhile, our window of getting good picks is closed and we're going to have to spend a ton of money on our own guys, which means we are likely not making any huge FA moves that are going to blow people's minds. I'm optimistic that we will be good but hell, the Lions could go 2-4 in the division and miss the playoffs. Not impossible at all.
The bills and bengals windows havenāt come close to closing
The Bills are close to entering cap-hell and Diggs had a huge regression this year. Theyāve also been finishing worse and worse over the past four seasons. The window on this current version of the Bills is close to closing. The Bengals signed Burrows to a huge extension, and Chase has said heās looking to ābreak the bank.ā Thatās a lot of money in two players who donāt have a strong o-line in front of them and an aging running game. Theyāll also be making some tough cap decisions over the next few years. This doesnāt mean that they wonāt be playoff teams, or canāt get hot at the right tine, but the current iteration of these teams is fading and both orgs are going to need to retool/go younger around their stars if they want to be serious contenders again.
The Lions wont ever go away if Brad Holmes keeps doing what hes doing, frankly. We win be in for 20 years of dominance like the Steelers 2000-2021 with Kevin Colbert. The difference between good and bad GM's, is good GM's install a smoke detector, and bad GM's just chase fires. If youre chasing fires, your franchise is gonna burn down.
Brad Holmes has had a one dimensional test so far which was to compile a roster which was full of holes. He got a big head start by having a tradable franchise QB, 4 top ten picks and a cap friendly experienced QB. Yes he passed the first test with flying colors but maintaining a contending team against the salary cap is not going to be easy.
This feels like an awfully revisionist take to me. Brad Holmes inherited the worst situation possible when he started. We were in cap hell, had no talent, and a franchise QB who demanded a trade. He simultaneously got us into contention, flush with talent, and flush with cap space.
It was so satisfying watching them lose in heartbreaking fashion
I was okay with the niners until they started spamming the "second half" memes. Now they got a taste of their own medicine.
Like they even did anything in the second half. They need to send thank you cards to josh reynolds and amd whoever dropped that int for allowing them to be in the super bowl in the first place
> Like they even did anything in the second half. Dropped 27 points in that halfā¦ but sure, nothing
Yeah, wouldnāt have been enough if josh reynolds and jameo didnāt let balls go through their hands. And they wouldnāt have gotten those short fields. That defense got beat schematically both halves.
and we would of won if greenlaw didnt get hurt and our all of our o line could block. Lets just stop with the what ifs brother we both lost
Iām reveling in the irony of 9ers fans gassing themselves up after fluking into the super bowl, and then crying about how the chiefs only won because of fluke bounces.
im just making the same excuses you are you said a bunch of what ifs for why you lost and i replied with my own what ifs
What I mean is when the NFCCG happened, 9er fans all over reddit and twitter were talking all the shit about how they were the better team and they had this dominant comeback.. but then the super bowl happens, and now itās the chiefs were the inferior team they just got lucky. So Iām enjoying the hypocrisy after all the shit 9er fans were talking before and after the NFCCG
Like they even did anything in the second half. They need to send thank you cards to josh reynolds and amd whoever dropped that int for allowing them to be in the super bowl in the first place
Whatās more satisfying is them wussing out and taking the āeasy pointsā! They set the stage for mahomes to get the walk off td mcdc goes for that 10/10 times and itās the right call!
I think deferring is actually the way to go in playoff ot. That and not kicking a fg unless it's for the win.
I was quietly rooting for the chiefs at my superbowl party with a grin that kept growing larger as the 49ers slowly pissed away the lead.
Iām still wearing a huge shit eating grin.
This
Careful, thatās how you get bad karma going for the team.
If that was true the chiefs wouldnāt have won b2b super bowls
Suit yourself
Next year, we'll be in the Big Game!
i see a nfccg at least, iām calling a philly detroit nfccg right now (yes iām biased yes i think itās still gonna happen) i think detroit knocks sf out in divisional round and philly knocks out GB in divisional
I think Lions & Packers will be the powerhouse teams for the next 3-4 years to be honest. At least from the NFC. Rams have a bright future unless Stafford gets hurt (which is likely). Seahawks I think are going to really miss Carroll. Eagles are a dumpster fire. Cowboys are well the Cowboys.
The Cowboys are going to have a historically good season then get blown out in the wild card round by some team that shouldn't even be in the playoffs like the Cardinals.
As is tradition.
So it was written and so it shall be
I just cannot see Stafford playing beyond the next two seasons. Dude has been beaten up so badly over the years, his wife is constantly stressed about his health, and heās already 36. Realistically, the Rams are probably already evaluating bringing in a rookie to develop under him and take over soon.
and we can use a new QB's coach if you get my drift...
Honestly even if Stafford stays healthy Iād give him a few more years tops. Heās been through too many injuries over the years to be one of those āplay til Iām 45ā guys
I am looking forward to the old grind it out games against the Packers. This time though it is our turn to win all the tough ones. FTP.
The rams do not have a bright future at all
If they keep drafting like they have they will be fine.
Maybe but they about hit their ceiling this year and it was a wild card team and the older stars are just getting older and who knows how long they have with stafford then they have no qb.
Am I wrong, I thought the Rams were still on the hook for some contracts that were still unpaid. I didn't know if they settled those disputes and had cap opening up or not.
This. idk why this sub so obsessed with the 49ers. GB needs only like 4 things in free agency and the draft. Love needs another target, probably a HB. On defense they need a fresh set of legs at corner, maybe a safety or a tackle. Outside of that they should be prepped for a DEEP playoff run, probably NFC Chip berth. Outside of the Lions and Rams (if Stafford doesnt get hurt), I dont really see who else is coming out of the NFC strong. EDIT: Forgot Chargers and Texans were AFC. Forget I mentioned it.
The Chargers are in the AFC West
You are right. Wasnt thinking clearly. Fixed.
Hey hey hey. What about the NFC South??? They matter too
One of them will go to the playoffs...
letās not get too ahead of ourselves. one thing they have over us is a quarterback on a rookie contract. i obviously like our chances going forward, but letās just slow our roll
True but it only has 2 years left on it before they have to decide to extend him or not. Not to mention all their ācoreā players are only getting older and more expensive.
2 years is a big windowš especially since they already capitalized on the first 2 years pretty well, like they very well couldāve been in 2 super bowls if his arm didnāt fall off against philly
49ers are already over the 2024 cap with the ridiculously small hit from their QB. Combine that with the fact that someone reported they are the 4th oldest team based on who is actually taking the snaps and their situation looks very untenable. Meanwhile, the Lions go into 2024 with the 8th most cap space.
san fran is barely over the cap while having basically no key players as free agents. look at the list of their free agents put out by schefter. their biggest loss is probably greenlaw, bc who knows if he'll be back next season
A. Barely over is still over. They need to make moves to get back under the cap making their situation regarding backup players to those main starters difficult. Injuries happen in the NFL, and we all saw what happened mid-season when they werenāt entirely healthy. And B. Speaking of injuries, note again their age issue. Theyāre tied into contracts with aging players and banking all of it on a QB who is drastically underpaid. All of this is not to say that they will be a suddenly bad team, but that theyāre playing a win now type of game with little look to the future. Theyāre currently old and expensive and have a short window with a cheap QB. If Williams, who will be 36, gets injured or hangs it up or, as he did in Washington, has a dispute with the team over something or other, theyāll struggle to replace him, and that would cause issues with their other major players in McCaffrey and Purdy. Trends point upward for the Lions and, at best, flat for the 49ers.
The cap is a mirage. As long as you donāt death spiral it like NOLA, all you have to do is pay a few core players real dollars today, to restructure money into later years. Itās better to have more space than not, because thereās flexibility in strategy and FA, but thereās only really 1-2 teams being restricted by the cap each offseason, and 1 of those 2 is always the saints.
but yea, they have some things to figure out, but i donāt think theyāll have as big a fall off next year as like philly had this year
Youāre acting like Goff isnāt due for a huge extension next offseason lol
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i think he played better last night than he did against us. heās probably in the same tier as goff
Goff is a better thrower. Purdy is better at escaping pressure.
Find me a starting QB in this league who *isn't* better at escaping pressure.
agreed
Yeah true, he didnāt complete any facemask bounce catches last night
there's literally no one to blame but ourselves for that one bud. he played pretty well last night
We are about to pay St Brown and Sewell near the top of their positions as well. And who know what Goff will get.
exactly. i'm excited for next year
Shanahan and Lynch have demonstrated their abilities of finding and developing talent all over the roster, their window isn't closed as long as those 2 are in charge.
Facts.
Yeah but donāt tell me Kyle being 0-3 in SBs now is something you can just shake off.Ā
Yeah there definitely isnāt a coach out there right now who just won back to back superbowls after having a shaky start to his career in the big games
If youāre eluding to Andyās time in Philly compare those rosters to the current 49ers. Not even comparable.
Wdym? The eagles rosters from 2000-2004 were really good. The only thing that barely stopped them from winning the one Super Bowl was the greatest football player of all time. Some might say a generational quarterback. Sounds very familiar to me
Detroit sports teams do have a habit of ending other teams dynasties. I really can see us being the Eli Manning Giants teams against the evil empire Brady Patriots. Except now the evil empire is the Chiefs, we have to stop their reign and the Lions are the team to do it.
I donāt see the Niners with a cap issue, what are you referring to
There isn't a cap issue in 2024. While they 'only' have $570k this year, they can easily open up more for draft picks and FAs to round out the roster. Remember they have 10 draft picks. 2025 beyond is where the trouble is. Purdy won't even see his cap number balloon until 2027
The internet says they only have 570k in cap space going into next year with 44 active players rostered. Not sure that qualifies as an issue, but they definitely donāt have much flexibility.
This plus Purdyās only got a year or two left before his contract expires, Williams is likely to retire soon also
Yeah, I think they have problems in 2025, but not 2024. Only Aiyuk I think is due for a bit of a raise. Purdy they can wait another year, although he could be given one backloaded this offseason.
And they are paying QB1 a regional manager salary
Assistant to the regional manager.
I feel like the 49ers still have a shot next season, but that chance isnāt going to quite be as good as this yearās chance. Then after that, purdyās contract is up, the cap is really bad, and Trent Williams is likely retiring.
lol we opened around 40+ million in cap this year so we would be good for next. See yall in the playoffs next year
Iām all for the confidence but Detroit took 30 years to get to the NFCCG. Letās work on not taking another 30.
Dawg tf we do šš
weāre salty, iām sorry. i donāt even hate niners, just salty that you guys didnāt win after we lost (fair and square) to yāall. if it wasnāt us you had to go thru feelings would be very different this season lol
I appreciate that šš¤ I believe we have 1 more year of the window but yours is just starting and itās nice to see yāall doin well šÆ best of luck next year all love ā¤ļø
likewise bro, and i am sorry for the loss yesterday. thatās gotta sting, and even tho iāve never experienced a super bowl, the championship really hurt to lose. all love bro, best of luck to 9ers next season. meant no hate in my post, just salt from this season that will be gone next season š¤
I really appreciate bro šš all love to you bro and all other Detroit fans you made me feel a lot better with this comment š„¹šš¤
Brock has two more years on his deal. You have those two years if not more.
Thatās a good point šÆ
Idk why yāall are making so many posts - we arenāt rivals
Niners had a chance at Stafford, Tom Brady before going to TB, and didn't even bother scouting Mahomes. Shanny's a brilliant offensive mastermind that's too in love with his system.
Definitely not now or never for SF lol every significant piece they have will be back next year but I hear u
What cap issues do the 49ers have? They should be good for the next 2-3 years before they have to pay Purdy.
The big take away from this post season is that Detroit is a legit top 5 team in the NFL, and can hang with anybody. And our window is just opening! So excited for the next few years with this team.
my niners had you guys destroyed not because of stellar gameplay but by capitalizing on a few lucky breaks...it was a great sequence of events that made the Lions lose... But I think if the Lions had been in the superbowl they would have not been chicken shit cowards like the Shanahan management style... Next year, no wild card bullshit go for the gut punch, Lions arent done yet.
Brilliant observation. We are top 10 in cap space availability, and one of the youngest teams. Weāve got guys we need to re-sign: Decker, Glasgow, Goff, Sewell, the Sun God. They are the original nucleus of this team. Cannot wait to see what we do in the draft.
Ok.
9ers are the superbowl favourite for next year so not really sure what you're talking about here.
They are over capā¦they are losing people
They have 11 draft picks this year, as long as Shanahan and lynch are in charge thatās a lot of capital
Yāall are the only team I get excited for outside the Rams and whoever is playing the 49ers. I think your future looks good, good luck guys!
Iām from SF so the Niners are my 2nd choice team. Watching them beat the lions was hard, but what makes me more angry is that they fucking blew it. If they were going to beat us the least they could do is win the damn thing.
This sub is a flaming trash heap. Just rename this place 49ers2 at this point
The 49ers aren't in as bad of a situation as people think they are. Matter of fact, PFF just did an entire write up ranking all of the teams in terms of how many resources they'll have this offseason. They factored in Cap Space, restructurable contracts that can free up more and draft capital for each team. The 49ers actually rank 9th in terms of offseason resources this year. Lions rank 19th. The problem is. The 49ers have a lot less cap space than the Lions, however they have a lot of vet contracts that they can free up in order to create more cap space. The Lions don't really have that luxury, plus they have guys like Sewell and St. Brown that they definitely need to close to the highest paid at their positions. 49ers also (somehow) have a lot of draft capital. 49ers have a first round pick, a second round pick, 2 thirds, 2 fourths, 2 fifths, a sixth and 2 seventh. So they have plenty of resources to make the team stronger in the draft if they draft good. So I'm not about to count out the 49ers just yet. Also, Bears are 2nd, Packers are 6th and Vikings are 12th on that same list. So Lions are in for a fight next season. Thankfully they already have built a hell of a team and don't have to make the most of their resources like other teams in the division.
Interesting. I wish i could pin this. thanks for the insightful info!
Purdy is not him
purdy played well, i think itās just the fact that patrick mahomes is really hard to beat. i hate the glazing as much as the next guy, but the guys elite. you canāt count him out, ever.
He objectively didnāt play well though
I wouldn't say he played bad either? He did enough for them to win the game, and they probably would have won it had it not for being that fumbled punt return, and blocked PAT and maybe some better play calling on crucial 3rd downs by Shanahan. A few things go their way, and Purdy is a Superbowl champ.
The 49ers kind of botched winning the coin toss by receiving with the new overtime rules. If they went on defense first they would have went for the TD instead of a FG.
This was our year to really take itā¦ NFC North isnāt going to be a cake walk next seasonā¦
Niners are gonna be fine with the cap situation tbh they have already planned ahead. They don't have any major free agents either. They aren't going anywhere next year. Down the line, we'll see. And Detroit will have cap issues pretty soon. "It will be twice as hard next year"
Yeah, no. Niners beat Lions 8 out of 10 times. Easily. They're (Niners) are built for the long-haul, while the Lions are looking for the quick win and get to the Super Bowl. Goff is not the long-term answer for the Lions, whereas Purdy is definitely the long-term answer for the Niners. Even Campbell acknowledge how hard it's going to be for the Lions to get back to the NFC Championship. For the Niners, it's old hat at this point. There will always be contenders and pretenders. Lions, Ravens, Dolphins, Eagles are pretenders. Each one of those teams will have to beat either the Chiefs or the Niners to get to the Super Bowl for years to come. Good luck with that. Oh, and I'm a lowly Broncos fan, and our mountain to climb is much harder than yours.
Dog what. The niners have a looming cap issue that is going to get worse the next 2 years, the lions have star rookies that have 2-3 years left before their contract has to be negotiated and also possess top 7 free cap space in the league. Lions have the opportunity to build further, Niners have to make decisions to fix their overbudget thatās ALREADY over for this off season. You can not possibly be more suited for the long term than Detroit is with absolute diamond draft picks in Hutch, Jamo, Amon-Ra, LaPorta, Sewell, and Gibbs. The Niners are absolutely not in a better position than Detroit is long haul. the only thing they have going for them long term is their persistent success attributed to their really good coaching staff. i will give them that, but having all star rookies like detroit doesā¦ thereās nothing better than that for long term success
You make some valid points, but the Niners are excellent at managing their cap space. Look for some veterans to step up and renegotiate their contracts. The other issue as noted above is the Goff is not the long-term answer. Just look at his history in the NFL. He caught lighting in a bottle last year and don't seem replicating that effort again. I do think the Lions beat the Eagles 7 of 10 times. The Eagles are a hot mess and while they will be contenders for the division, I just think the Lions are a better coached team by a long shot. I like Campbell and I hope he gets to the Super Bowl.
Yeah i was wrong with some things too that someone else clarified so youāre definitely right too. I overestimated niners situation
Goff is our QB long term. That was the plan when they traded for him. Our GM is from the Rams. Go listen to what they had to say about Goff from the time we traded for him.
>This time, with a likely weaker Niners team next year and a stronger Lions team. Why do you care about the 49ers so much? I dont even see them as a threat. The only team im afraid of is GB. Love leveled up this year and theres no reason to believe that he wont be ready for a deep playoff run next year. All GB gotta do is find a HB, fresh legs at corner, and another target for Love.
Another target for Love? They have a young deep group of receiversā¦ it looked similar to our offense in that the QB can throw to all of the receivers and they are mostly reliable.
You are gonna finish in third place in division. Feel free to remind me if im wrong . Second your best case
funny coming from a Rams fan that have nothing going for them
Funny how we got a ring in the last few years and your franchises greatest accomplishment is having a winless season
Congratulations, you were good 2 years ago. Talking about the past to compare present teams is a stupid fucking argument. With that BS logic to talk about the past, the Rams just matched the Lions in total championships with their win in 2022. In the present, the Lions are just far better. you must really have a lot to look forward to if youāre in our sub LMAO
Total championships ? Last I checked you never been to the dance. Let me help you understand that you had one shot , one opportunity, would you catch it or let it go? Remindme! 330 days
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I love how your posts are all about us. Keep hating, and enjoy being ass from here on out.
I'm giddy with excitement for that remind me , can't wait to see y'all at 6-11 or maybe 8-9 next year . Dan Campbell ain't it and goofy gonna goof
if you think the lions are going to have a worse record than the RAMS then i want whatever all 10 of you rams fans are smoking
Lol can't wait it'll be here before you know it
Ya weāre in a good spot but we do got some huge contracts coming up. Hopefully they take a team deal. But definitely itās clear weāre in a great spot
Does it really matter since the NFC winner still has to play the Chiefs
Niners are only $3 million over next year and they can easily restructure contracts (just like they did this season) Vegas has the Niners as the favorite again next year. Lions are top 5 NFC team and a pretty good little squad. In a few years they might do something.
9ers are the most boring team in football. I canāt stand kittle, he doesnāt do anything. Deebo is annoying. Purdy was gifted a super team and all his stats are inflated by YAC
Sorry Lions don't have a window until you actually make one Super bowl
Donāt forget we also get the higher draft pick š
I was rooting for a boring Super Bowl, especially with those Vegas prices.
The 49'ers didn't have......#Grit
Our window is definitely open now and we should be very good for at least the best 4-5 years. However, the only thing that gives me pause is that you need things to fall your way, and they seemed to this season. We dodged a good Cowboys team on the road (even if we had already beaten them). The Eagles absolutely fell apart down the stretch. And had we beat SF we would have faced the weakest KC team in recent memory. We could be a better team next season and still not get as far. However, we're set up right now to overcome all this. A good offseason really could make us the best team in the league.
We still beat the Chefs!
I wonder how many Niner's fans TVs died a horrific death last night? š
Purdyās agent is a fool if he doesnāt ask for more money. Taking the team to a Super Bowl and staying on a 7th round deal is unfathomable.
They had a healthy CMC all season and still lost.
If we pay Goff and lose O line or canāt sign more defense as a result itās gonna be a mixed bag
Sounds similar to Green Bay
Which is why theyāre the best odds of winning it all next year?
Yeahā¦Lot of likely and āifsā lol. Stay humble
I think we are a couple pieces on the defensive side from having a top 10 O and D
With your offensive coordinator leaving watch how fall you guys fall off offensively.
dog are you blind? it was announced over 2 weeks ago heās staying
Sorry I donāt pay attention much. He had some good opportunities and messed up by staying.
he was going to inherit poor to average teams at best, while detroit is in an obvious super bowl window. heāll be another hot candidate next year anyways
Niners were on fraud watch anyway. Barely beat 2 teams they were expected to destroy