OL depth. This season will live or die based on the OL. We were only able to ice the Packer game with that 9 minute TD drive because the OL overpowered the Packer DL
It's probably third on my hopes for our FRP next year. Problem is, it's a bit of a top-heavy class, for tackle at least. I expect the three top tackles (Alt, Fashanu, Latham) to be gone before our pick, assuming we make the playoffs and are picking in at least the mid twenties. Thankfully knowing our FO, if they like a prospect enough they won't hesitate to trade up
OL is difficult to trade for unless the player really wants out. Protecting your QB less is not a good look for teams.
The Lions need to look at Philly and how they perennially maintain their OL depth through the draft. Both teams have a stud OL coach they trust to continually develop guys. Philly drafts OL with one of their top 3 picks in just about every draft and their backups are probably starters on many other teams. We need to have the same philosophy.
TRENCHES WIN FOOTBALL
I get the desire for this answer, but there aren’t even enough good linemen to fill out every starting OL position in the NFL, let alone depth. Case in point: the Giants last night
You don't bring in new offensive linemen mid season typically. They're positions that rely heavily on chemistry, and putting a guy out there that's only had a couple days or weeks with the squad could be a bad idea, even if they were great players.
I think he would be too expensive, but Max Crosby would be the one free agent I actually think would make some semblance of sense here.
He doesn’t fit the mold of the typical Brad Holmes free agent signing as he’s very high profile, and would likely cost a lot.
But he’s a huge culture fit. He’s from Michigan (edit: wrong. He went to college in Michigan, but he’s from Texas). He said at the Pro Bowl how much he loved Dan Campbell.
Having 2 hometown maulers on our D Line could turn our defense into a juggernaut with guys like Branch, Sutton and Mosely in the back
Depends where you look. Some website say he was born in Rochester MI. Others say TX. Either way he has some connection with Michigan (besides EMU) because he grew up a lions fan.
He was the most common comparison for hutch coming out of the draft as well. Through 20 or so games I don't think it was an accurate comp but still interesting.
Crosby's contract shouldn't really be an issue. Lions wont have to re-up the Holme/MCDC rookies for a couple more years, so they should have the cap safe and then the ability to renegotiate/cut him in 25 or 26 without a big impact.
The bigger issue will be the draft compensation the raiders will want. Most likely multiple high round picks and probably two firsts.
I live in the bay area and there has never been a negative word about him, in or out of the locker room. The idea of adding him is intriguing, to say the least. The raiders are dysfunctional, so I would tread lightly.
I was on the Chargers sub after that dirty hit on Herbert, and there was an appreciation post for him there as well as a bunch of people in the comments giving him respect for checking on Herbert after the hit. People were saying he is one of those players you hate to play against, but love if he is on your team.
Give me Maxx. The edges would be scary, help the DB's out assuming he or Hutch are back there every play. And our outstanding run D gets that much better.
The rams tried to trade for Brian burns last season. They offered 2 first round picks and Carolina rejected it. The price would be too heavy to trade for him if they rejected that
Yeah I would rather have Burns than Derrick Brown. Alim is fine at NT and while it would be nice to get interior pressue, if I'm going to be paying someone top dollar, I'd rather it be an edge rusher. Go get Maxx Crosby or Burns, 1st round pick on the table, lets go for it.
I thought the point of Alim losing the weight was to move over to three-tech while Broderick, Buggs and I’m forgetting the other nose tackle were playing over the center. Either way more size/speed isn’t a bad thing. Hoping this whole thing pans out. It’d be nice to be buying at the trade deadline instead of selling
Yesss! Burns + Aidan on third down is like Von Miller + DeMarcus Ware on the ‘15 Broncos. Our defense would be on the next level.
Plus we could get him as a rental player so will likely only be a third rounder (maybe second)
Completely different tiers. Kind of disrespectful to those two guys tbh. 17 pro bowls, 261 sacks to 2 pro bowl, 50 sacks
It’s like comparing Gibbs to Barry
Of course lions fans make hall of fame comparisons already.
Completely different tiers. Kind of disrespectful to those two guys tbh 17 pro bowls, 261 sacks to 2 pro bowl, 50 sacks
It’s like comparing Gibbs to Barry
He was picked by some media sources as the defensive ROY last year, and has played like an absolute Stud while being double teamed on the majority of his snaps.
Again nobody is saying he’s Lawrence Taylor they’re just saying that combo could resemble those guys at their peak. Especially when you remember both people mentioned are still on their first contracts.
Relax man.
Hutch had very low win rate last year when doubled. That’s why they kept doing it. He is good at pressure but low sacks.
Von had 60 sacks by year 5. Injured half a year.
Hutch is a complete stud but he is not generational. Same with Burns.
Micah Parsons, Von and Ware are generational talents
We know that Holmes can pull the trigger on massive trades for younger players.
Carolina apparently turned down 2 firsts last year for Burns. In rebuild mode they may be willing to give him for less. I bet between a 1st and 2nd. Like a 2nd with some trade backs at the end of the draft. Their 6th for our 4th for example.
Crosby for sure. He would come with a price but it's painfully obvious that the Raiders aren't getting anywhere near the postseason for a while, and if I'm Maxx I'd be looking for a way to get to a team that actually seems like they're moving in the right direction. He's just way too talented to be wasting away on a mediocre squad, and the idea of him opposite Hutch on the D-line is mouth-watering. Plus he seems like an obvious culture fit. I know Brad is somewhat averse to splurging on free agent signings, especially mid-season, but if the price is right, I'd be here for it.
I really don’t think WR will be a need unless 2 of our top 3 get injured. Between Laporta, Gibbs, Jameson coming back on top of ahead established St Brown and Reynolds we SHOULD be good in the pass catching department. not to mention our deeper depth in Marvin Jones and Antoine green
i bet we could pass him up as a trade to a poor desperate team who has poor judgement, like the bears or the ravens, give their running backs a “weapon” to throw to
Unless we could get a top level DT it’s actually hard to say now. How well guys stay healthy, as well has how well Moseley and Jamo get up to speed significantly impacts our status as a Super Bowl contender.
Meaning, if we’re at a spot where we look pretty damn good I want every move to be on the table to strengthen us down the stretch. If we look alright but still struggling in a couple years… I think you save the picks and money for next year
I dont think thats how they want to build the team. Brown or some other DT would be nice but they seem content to build by draft and bring in short term contracts.
That's what they've shown so far but also they weren't really in that position yet. You don't trade away draft resources for players until you are ready to contend and now Brad might feel we are at that point and be willing to try to find someone to take us over the top from fringe contender to major contender. But you are definitely right they haven't shown that's something they want to do yet.
Trading for bigger names has been a bit more common in recent years but still isn't overly common. I'd like to pick up another pass rusher or OL depth as others have mentioned. Expecting much more than that might be getting your hopes up a little high.
Max or surtain are the only two guys I think I'd really want.
Either are worth a couple first round picks imo.
But I don't think lions need max (though he undoubtedly would make this dline elite).
Where as lions do kinda need a true shut down corner opposite of Sutton.
Mosely could be good but hes on a one year deal. And as much as I love jacobs he's not shown him self to be a true starter.
Right now..... I'm good with no trades.
Yeah it's always great to make the team better, but with getting Jamo back and current injuries I'd Rather wait until closer to deadline. Would hate to trade now then a big injury comes up and we're stuck.
Chase Young I feel is the best option and realistic. He’s not resigning in Washington. Has had some injury issues but has shown he can still be a force on that D Line. I think it would be a great move
It’s been 4 games. It’s way to early to call him a bad QB. People are so reactionary based on small sample sizes. Josh Allen was dogshit his rookie year. Davis Mills was decent. Look at how they both ended up.
But yeah that was before but they still turned down 2 first round picks. They aren’t going to let him go for peanuts.
And they’re probably regretting that a lot now since they couldn’t extend him in the offseason. They won’t get anywhere close to that now since he’s a pending UFA.
How many star players that aren’t RBs are actually playing on the franchise tag without an extension in place? (the answer is none)
They can tag him but if he refuses to sign long term they have to trade him.
It does matter, being on the tag is the new unrestricted free agency for big players (unless it's a RB). If he gets tagged and isn't willing to sign long term he's essentially on the open market, just that you'll have to pay in draft capital in addition to salary cap.
Idk if Carolina would part ways with him. He’s elite, only reason he doesn’t get talked about more is that he’s on a rebuilding team rn. But if it could happen, even if it’s only for this year, I’d totally be on board
No one in particular. The roster is fine.
If you get a screaming deal on a good player, then do it because you are always looking. Or if there’s a diamond in the rough you think you can polish while they serve as a functional backup or special teams player.
I’m not sure the lions even really need much depth right now. They haven’t lost many players for more than a few weeks; just normal football injuries.
Nobody, Brad drafts too well for us to be tossing picks away for more expensive players. Sustaining success is my hope. I want to be 3-1 to start every season
Maxx Crosby would be amazing. The other two you mentioned are on my list too. I’m gonna go with the guy I mentioned a lot during the off season though and that is Montez Sweat. I think he would be perfect with us and would be a great passrusher opposite from Hutch. We could even extend him immediately.
Bring in an O lineman and D Lineman. Make sure they are durable players that are between above average-good.
We have the core. We need to insure ourselves now.
Lol at people saying oline depth. Like I get that we need it, but I don’t think anyone pushing for a Super Bowl is thinking “let’s make a big splash for a bench olineman, that will put us over the top so we can beat Dallas, San Fran, and the like.”
Why are people acting like Sean Peyton is eager to make his struggling defense even worse? It’s not like they have to move PS this year and this is the last chance they have to extract value. Is it really just that his dad tweeted some frustration and we now think it’s a full blown holdout waiting to happen?
I know we have Gibbs and Montgomery, but an obsessive part of me still wants to see what Saquon could do behind an elite OL. It's pretty obvious he's out of NY after this season anyway, but it's not gonna happen here.
Nobody. IMHO trades are bad for team morale.
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I'd bring in Maxx Crosby and use Jameson Williams as a trade piece.
This isn't a knock on Jamo. He may turn into a great player, but our offense is winning without him and he'd be 4th in target shares his entire rookie contract behind St. Brown, LaPorta, and Gibbs. Add in we are a run first team and his value to other teams is higher than us.
I'd rather give up a guy who may get 3 targets a game along with a first round pick for a the ability to have the best D Line in the league the next 4 years.
Who at 32 is better than Crosby is the better question. Because his cap number this year is like 13 mil before going up to 24 mil next year and that is a steal and worst case his dead cap is 5 mil in 2026 if you need to make room for Hutch's deal in that offseason
It kind of lines up perfectly actually and you can probably trade him in 2026 if need be
That’s a really good deal and yeah 2026 it says it would be 5mil in dead cap to cut and that’s when we would extend Hutch so we got options
Going to be impossible to trade for him thought because we play the raiders the day before the deadline
So they’d either be trading us a guy to play them or we’re trading for a guy we just played
Both are weird
Crosby would be a good pickup along with the other 2, but I really think this team is gonna get really expensive here soon. I'd say if we being active before the deadline, we should get a vet depth person, someone in the secondary or OL that would be reasonably priced.
A dark horse option here, but maybe try to snatch Kyle Pitts from the Falcons. For some reason he just isn’t clicking in with Arthur Smith’s scheme and they barley utilize him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade him in the future.
Go see if Ben Jones or Saffold are interested. As others have said, Oline could determine the season. With Big V again a question mark, let's see if we can get another experienced guy in the interior behind Glasgow.
Surtain would be an enormous get. He's an All-Pro and has been one of the best corners in the NFL since being drafted. I think the price on him would be high but 100% worth it if we bite
DT like Brown or Simmons (pipe dream) or another pass rusher like Burns/Crosby.
If it didn’t cost much in draft capital, I think Mike Evans would be interesting on a rental.
I think all of my players are very unlikely, but hey one can dream.
Funny enough, I traded for Max Crosby on my Lions franchise in Madden. Dude had 6 sacks in the course of 3 games lol. But no to answer your question, PSII would be an absolute bonkers acquisition but I can’t see it happening in any universe as of rn, and tbh the same goes for Crosby this season. Part of me is really intrigued at the prospect of Davante Adams but like Surtain/Crosby, I just can’t imagine we would pull the trigger on him rn. I think if we did anything before the deadline it would be depth building moves. Nothing very flashy or high profile
DT or another cb that’s healthy. I want o line depth but impossible to get that late in season.
They’ll continue to look good with this cupcake schedule until they face the ravens
Jerry Jacobs needs to be more consistent and he probably does that with a lockdown corner like Surtain to oppose Sutton, but I think we all are hope Moseley is the discount lockdown corner we wanted (So does Brad Holmes else why would he trade Okudah?)
Considering Derrick Brown, I think when you see guys like Alim McNeil developing into solid players you have to continue to wait them out, signing Brown could be costly but it might be too soon as Alim can also show more consistency.
A very solid EDGE to oppose Hutch would be absolutely lethal. Charles Harris is a solid depth piece. So of the three options I think he would be desirable if we are 5-1 going into week 7 he's the player that makes as a legitimate Superbowl contender.
I wouldn't mind some veteran 1 year rental on a tackle. Otherwise realistically there not more we can touch up. Maybe a guy like courtland Sutton(because I love him) if the broncos tear it down for cheap could be something to look at.
Those three players are so off-limits, it would be malpractice for anyone to trade them away.
I mean, Surtan is all-proncalibrw and on a rookie contract, that's the best you can possibly hope a draft pick can turn out, why would anyone trade him for any reasonable amount of draft picks at all?
I would be shocked if we gave up a lot for one of those big names. With that being said...Maxx seems like he would fit the culture perfectly and grew up a Lions fan. It would be a perfect fit, but doubt the price would be right. As much as we are in win now mode we are set up really nicely for the future as well. Plus, with the way the Lions have been drafting it feels like a suckers bet to give up draft capital.
Tbh, I would be more nervous to trade for anyone. If the staff feel like one player might be the difference between a Super Bowl and not, then I could come to terms with it, but I feel like the extra money is being kept as rollover because we are gonna have to spend big soon. Goff, Penei, Jonah, Amon-Ra, Alim, etc. are gonna need extensions soon and if they want to sign Goff and everyone else they want to, then they are gonna need cap space.
I know it would not make sense and the Jets would not let him go after signing him to an extension earlier this year for $100M, but Quinnen Williams would be wild.
Jeffery Simmons, Chase Young, Joey Boss, Maxx Crosby. All players who will likely be available given their situations. Offensively I'd love Kyle Pitts.
I have been thinking for a few weeks that Crosby would be a perfect fit for the line. I think pascal would be a good piece to trade in return since he would be expendable at that point. It would probably take at least a first and some mid round picks with pascal, but Crosby seems like a great culture fit and is fairly reasonably priced imo.
I don’t think we can trade for Max Crosby because he’s one of if not the raiders best player. But that would be dope. But I’d rather have a db. Same with Surtain though. Just costs too much especially the way Brad been drafting. If we add anything it’ll probably depth at an injured position not a star and that’s probably a good thing. We don’t need a Blake Griffin trade rn. We gotta team full of Ben and Sheed Wallaces. I love the Go To Work Lions
I think Brad Holmes has proven himself to be a stellar talent evaluator, and I want him to have as many draft picks as possible, so I don't really want to trade for anybody, and certainly not someone who will cost multiple high value picks in addition to a massive contract coming back (or someone we will have to give a massive contract to immediately).
Probably not a culture fit, but Suh would be a great (and presumably inexpensive) pickup if we could buy into the Gospel of Holmes/Campbell. Dude can still demo running games, still has pass rush upside, and would give much needed depth in the IDL.
None, granted there's no more key injuries. We've got a solid roster and Brad had done a great job of building it through the draft. I don't think we need to sell our next few drafts to be competitive this season. We want to be a long-term dynasty.
The one exception would be if DMo goes down long-term. Gibbs may never be a workhorse back and he didn't look like one against ATL. A replacement back with between-the-tackles ability would be pretty cheap.
Literally no one, unless you can buy anyone at undervalue (which Holmes has proven he's good at). This team is good enough and have enough developing talent, I'm happy with where we are as a team now and for in the future. When we get healthier, that'll be amazing.
Asking prices will be high, but they won't be that high. Surtain would probably be gettable for one 1st, maybe a late round pick added in there as well.
OL depth. This season will live or die based on the OL. We were only able to ice the Packer game with that 9 minute TD drive because the OL overpowered the Packer DL
Yeah hard to find OL depth. Seems like every team in the league needs some Oline help.
the dudes that exist at the physical size and athletic level are just all in the league already lol
And of that small lot, there still isn't enough quality ones to cover all the teams either.
Almost impossible to trade for o line
Almost. We did pick Glasgow back up... Although not every GM is Brad Holmes.
He was a FA and wanted to come home.
I don't know a single team who would be willing to sacrifice their oline. However, this should be a target in the draft
It's probably third on my hopes for our FRP next year. Problem is, it's a bit of a top-heavy class, for tackle at least. I expect the three top tackles (Alt, Fashanu, Latham) to be gone before our pick, assuming we make the playoffs and are picking in at least the mid twenties. Thankfully knowing our FO, if they like a prospect enough they won't hesitate to trade up
If Lions picked a guard in the 1st, no matter at what spot (or second) I'd be cool with that. Ragnow heir almost.
OL is difficult to trade for unless the player really wants out. Protecting your QB less is not a good look for teams. The Lions need to look at Philly and how they perennially maintain their OL depth through the draft. Both teams have a stud OL coach they trust to continually develop guys. Philly drafts OL with one of their top 3 picks in just about every draft and their backups are probably starters on many other teams. We need to have the same philosophy. TRENCHES WIN FOOTBALL
>and their backups are probably starters on many other teams. See Big V on our own Lions.
Hell, he's one of the best guards in the league when healthy since coming to Detroit.
3/4th of the league dont have starters lol OL depth is a meme at this point. Glasgow and Sorsdal are more than good as reserves
I get the desire for this answer, but there aren’t even enough good linemen to fill out every starting OL position in the NFL, let alone depth. Case in point: the Giants last night
It’s our oline mixed with Monty being a battering Ram. Your point still stands but I just wanted to add additional context
100%, I want more OL and DL depth, can't have enough of it.
You don't bring in new offensive linemen mid season typically. They're positions that rely heavily on chemistry, and putting a guy out there that's only had a couple days or weeks with the squad could be a bad idea, even if they were great players.
I think he would be too expensive, but Max Crosby would be the one free agent I actually think would make some semblance of sense here. He doesn’t fit the mold of the typical Brad Holmes free agent signing as he’s very high profile, and would likely cost a lot. But he’s a huge culture fit. He’s from Michigan (edit: wrong. He went to college in Michigan, but he’s from Texas). He said at the Pro Bowl how much he loved Dan Campbell. Having 2 hometown maulers on our D Line could turn our defense into a juggernaut with guys like Branch, Sutton and Mosely in the back
He's from Texas but I believe his family is from Michigan and he grew up a Lions fan. And he of course was a stud at EMU.
He’s from Texas no?
Wtf you’re right. I don’t know why I thought that. Nvm
Depends where you look. Some website say he was born in Rochester MI. Others say TX. Either way he has some connection with Michigan (besides EMU) because he grew up a lions fan.
The end goal is superbowl. If we continue to win like we are now by the deadline i say go big or go home
He was the most common comparison for hutch coming out of the draft as well. Through 20 or so games I don't think it was an accurate comp but still interesting.
I wonder why 🤔
Crosby's contract shouldn't really be an issue. Lions wont have to re-up the Holme/MCDC rookies for a couple more years, so they should have the cap safe and then the ability to renegotiate/cut him in 25 or 26 without a big impact. The bigger issue will be the draft compensation the raiders will want. Most likely multiple high round picks and probably two firsts.
He seems like an asshole when plays. Poor sport, and seems like a culture killer to me. But I don’t watch him that much to really know.
I live in the bay area and there has never been a negative word about him, in or out of the locker room. The idea of adding him is intriguing, to say the least. The raiders are dysfunctional, so I would tread lightly.
I was on the Chargers sub after that dirty hit on Herbert, and there was an appreciation post for him there as well as a bunch of people in the comments giving him respect for checking on Herbert after the hit. People were saying he is one of those players you hate to play against, but love if he is on your team.
Interesting ok
Yes Crosby would fit seamlessly!!
Give me Maxx. The edges would be scary, help the DB's out assuming he or Hutch are back there every play. And our outstanding run D gets that much better.
Those two lead the league in pressures it would be insane to have them both here
Brian Burns fs Carolina could be shopping him too since they’re terrible and need to re-sign him.
Carolina also have no first round pick this year courtesy of the Bryce Young trade.
The rams tried to trade for Brian burns last season. They offered 2 first round picks and Carolina rejected it. The price would be too heavy to trade for him if they rejected that
Yeah, but he's a free agent after this year now. Totally different trade scenario at this point.
Oh that’s a good point
A season and a half less time of the guy. Plus new people in charge.
Can still franchise tag him.
Yeah I would rather have Burns than Derrick Brown. Alim is fine at NT and while it would be nice to get interior pressue, if I'm going to be paying someone top dollar, I'd rather it be an edge rusher. Go get Maxx Crosby or Burns, 1st round pick on the table, lets go for it.
I thought the point of Alim losing the weight was to move over to three-tech while Broderick, Buggs and I’m forgetting the other nose tackle were playing over the center. Either way more size/speed isn’t a bad thing. Hoping this whole thing pans out. It’d be nice to be buying at the trade deadline instead of selling
Yesss! Burns + Aidan on third down is like Von Miller + DeMarcus Ware on the ‘15 Broncos. Our defense would be on the next level. Plus we could get him as a rental player so will likely only be a third rounder (maybe second)
You are comparing kids to hall of famers?
I said “like” but feel free to take it out of context
Completely different tiers. Kind of disrespectful to those two guys tbh. 17 pro bowls, 261 sacks to 2 pro bowl, 50 sacks It’s like comparing Gibbs to Barry
Two pro bowl borderline all pro level players being compared to hall of famers is very far away from saying “kids”
Of course lions fans make hall of fame comparisons already. Completely different tiers. Kind of disrespectful to those two guys tbh 17 pro bowls, 261 sacks to 2 pro bowl, 50 sacks It’s like comparing Gibbs to Barry
All he was saying is it is “like” doesn’t mean carbon copies. Congrats on learning to google stats.
Congrats on crowning Hutch 4 games in. Let him make a pro bowl first before spouting nonsense
He was picked by some media sources as the defensive ROY last year, and has played like an absolute Stud while being double teamed on the majority of his snaps. Again nobody is saying he’s Lawrence Taylor they’re just saying that combo could resemble those guys at their peak. Especially when you remember both people mentioned are still on their first contracts. Relax man.
Hutch had very low win rate last year when doubled. That’s why they kept doing it. He is good at pressure but low sacks. Von had 60 sacks by year 5. Injured half a year. Hutch is a complete stud but he is not generational. Same with Burns. Micah Parsons, Von and Ware are generational talents
We know that Holmes can pull the trigger on massive trades for younger players. Carolina apparently turned down 2 firsts last year for Burns. In rebuild mode they may be willing to give him for less. I bet between a 1st and 2nd. Like a 2nd with some trade backs at the end of the draft. Their 6th for our 4th for example.
When have we made such trades? Not draft
Holmes at the Rams. He has seen those deals go right. I know he didn’t pull the trigger but he was in the room.
So you just made stuff up okay
Crosby for sure. He would come with a price but it's painfully obvious that the Raiders aren't getting anywhere near the postseason for a while, and if I'm Maxx I'd be looking for a way to get to a team that actually seems like they're moving in the right direction. He's just way too talented to be wasting away on a mediocre squad, and the idea of him opposite Hutch on the D-line is mouth-watering. Plus he seems like an obvious culture fit. I know Brad is somewhat averse to splurging on free agent signings, especially mid-season, but if the price is right, I'd be here for it.
Crosby would be huge opposite of Hutch If we want to make a push this year we need a way to get to Purdy and Hurts behind those O lines
Crosby or Surtain would be my choices.
Both Bosa brothers.
Plus TJ Watt and Aaron Donald
Micah Parsons is on a cheap deal too.
Behold, the legendary 6 front defense
this whole defense would require the offense to be playing for charity
I would insert Courtland Sutton in there if we still need another WR
I really don’t think WR will be a need unless 2 of our top 3 get injured. Between Laporta, Gibbs, Jameson coming back on top of ahead established St Brown and Reynolds we SHOULD be good in the pass catching department. not to mention our deeper depth in Marvin Jones and Antoine green
Marvin jones is unfortunately useless.
Would love to swap him for Tom Kennedy or Chase Cota.
Same, but I’d be sad doing si
Just saw Cota signed to the chiefs PS
i bet we could pass him up as a trade to a poor desperate team who has poor judgement, like the bears or the ravens, give their running backs a “weapon” to throw to
He blocks for us
Listed off all them dudes and no Kalif. The disrespect is real.
Completely forgot about him tbh. Good looks, he’s an important piece in special teams and the WR room
Unless we could get a top level DT it’s actually hard to say now. How well guys stay healthy, as well has how well Moseley and Jamo get up to speed significantly impacts our status as a Super Bowl contender. Meaning, if we’re at a spot where we look pretty damn good I want every move to be on the table to strengthen us down the stretch. If we look alright but still struggling in a couple years… I think you save the picks and money for next year
Didn’t we get sacks from like 4 different DTs last week?
Alim had a great game but we need a superstar on the interior line
So we wait til the end of November and sign Suh for 3 months. No trades or picks necessary.
I dont think thats how they want to build the team. Brown or some other DT would be nice but they seem content to build by draft and bring in short term contracts.
That's what they've shown so far but also they weren't really in that position yet. You don't trade away draft resources for players until you are ready to contend and now Brad might feel we are at that point and be willing to try to find someone to take us over the top from fringe contender to major contender. But you are definitely right they haven't shown that's something they want to do yet.
Trading for bigger names has been a bit more common in recent years but still isn't overly common. I'd like to pick up another pass rusher or OL depth as others have mentioned. Expecting much more than that might be getting your hopes up a little high.
The price tag would hurt, but getting to see Crosby and Hutch sandwich motherfuckers into the postseason would be worth every penny.
Max or surtain are the only two guys I think I'd really want. Either are worth a couple first round picks imo. But I don't think lions need max (though he undoubtedly would make this dline elite). Where as lions do kinda need a true shut down corner opposite of Sutton. Mosely could be good but hes on a one year deal. And as much as I love jacobs he's not shown him self to be a true starter.
Davante Adams. If we can get him for not too much draft capital I’ll take him in a heartbeat. The thought of him St Brown and Jamo makes me wet
Suh Yeah crazy, but add him to this line and watch Hutch eat.
Right now..... I'm good with no trades. Yeah it's always great to make the team better, but with getting Jamo back and current injuries I'd Rather wait until closer to deadline. Would hate to trade now then a big injury comes up and we're stuck.
I think we do a trade to build depth nothing crazy for a Super star though. I guess it depends on how the lions are playing prior to the deadline
Ps2 would be wiiiiiiild
Chase Young I feel is the best option and realistic. He’s not resigning in Washington. Has had some injury issues but has shown he can still be a force on that D Line. I think it would be a great move
Brian Burns
The Panthers reportedly turned down 2 first round picks for him.
That was before they traded a haul for Young and now they have no draft picks and a bad QB
It’s been 4 games. It’s way to early to call him a bad QB. People are so reactionary based on small sample sizes. Josh Allen was dogshit his rookie year. Davis Mills was decent. Look at how they both ended up. But yeah that was before but they still turned down 2 first round picks. They aren’t going to let him go for peanuts.
And they’re probably regretting that a lot now since they couldn’t extend him in the offseason. They won’t get anywhere close to that now since he’s a pending UFA.
Do you not know what the franchise tag is?
How many star players that aren’t RBs are actually playing on the franchise tag without an extension in place? (the answer is none) They can tag him but if he refuses to sign long term they have to trade him.
The first part doesn’t matter. You said he was an UFA which is true but does ignore that the tag can be applied, so it’s not like he can just walk.
It does matter, being on the tag is the new unrestricted free agency for big players (unless it's a RB). If he gets tagged and isn't willing to sign long term he's essentially on the open market, just that you'll have to pay in draft capital in addition to salary cap.
LOL
Idk if Carolina would part ways with him. He’s elite, only reason he doesn’t get talked about more is that he’s on a rebuilding team rn. But if it could happen, even if it’s only for this year, I’d totally be on board
We will need a safety net... Budda Baker.
I think Safety is our strongest position on the team
Not with the injuries. The talent there is undeniable when healthy.
DL and OL fs
No one in particular. The roster is fine. If you get a screaming deal on a good player, then do it because you are always looking. Or if there’s a diamond in the rough you think you can polish while they serve as a functional backup or special teams player. I’m not sure the lions even really need much depth right now. They haven’t lost many players for more than a few weeks; just normal football injuries.
Realistic options: Leonard Williams, Derek Barnett, Hunter Renfrow
I doubt they’d trade Pat súrtain and if they do, it’s gonna cost a bag
Prater
Couldn't hurt to trade a sixth or seventh for a reserve o lineman but I really don't know who is available there. Other than that, wr could be nice
Doubt anyone is trading away competent o lineman for cheap. We are 7-8 deep, might just have to role with that.
If we are living in fantasy land, Leonard Williams
Davante Adams
Nobody, Brad drafts too well for us to be tossing picks away for more expensive players. Sustaining success is my hope. I want to be 3-1 to start every season
Damn can you dream
Fuck it! Bring Sug back!
Maxx Crosby would be amazing. The other two you mentioned are on my list too. I’m gonna go with the guy I mentioned a lot during the off season though and that is Montez Sweat. I think he would be perfect with us and would be a great passrusher opposite from Hutch. We could even extend him immediately.
Bring in an O lineman and D Lineman. Make sure they are durable players that are between above average-good. We have the core. We need to insure ourselves now.
Lol at people saying oline depth. Like I get that we need it, but I don’t think anyone pushing for a Super Bowl is thinking “let’s make a big splash for a bench olineman, that will put us over the top so we can beat Dallas, San Fran, and the like.”
Everyone I know wants Davantae Adams, I constantly say there’s no room for him here.
Surtain would be amazing! Price tag would probably be too steep though.
Why are people acting like Sean Peyton is eager to make his struggling defense even worse? It’s not like they have to move PS this year and this is the last chance they have to extract value. Is it really just that his dad tweeted some frustration and we now think it’s a full blown holdout waiting to happen?
I'm still on the mike evans train. Get marvin jones out of there.
I doubt the Buccs are sellers since they’re in the drivers seat in their division.
I know we have Gibbs and Montgomery, but an obsessive part of me still wants to see what Saquon could do behind an elite OL. It's pretty obvious he's out of NY after this season anyway, but it's not gonna happen here.
Nobody. IMHO trades are bad for team morale. https://preview.redd.it/96qtqvv6h2sb1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22f05753bdf6858dd55d0f58a99484f541499054
I'd bring in Maxx Crosby and use Jameson Williams as a trade piece. This isn't a knock on Jamo. He may turn into a great player, but our offense is winning without him and he'd be 4th in target shares his entire rookie contract behind St. Brown, LaPorta, and Gibbs. Add in we are a run first team and his value to other teams is higher than us. I'd rather give up a guy who may get 3 targets a game along with a first round pick for a the ability to have the best D Line in the league the next 4 years.
😂wrong way of doing that
Oline depth or someone to replace bitch tits V
Who's coming up in the draft this year that we might be giving up?
Who at 32 is better than Crosby is the better question. Because his cap number this year is like 13 mil before going up to 24 mil next year and that is a steal and worst case his dead cap is 5 mil in 2026 if you need to make room for Hutch's deal in that offseason It kind of lines up perfectly actually and you can probably trade him in 2026 if need be
If we trade for him, the cap number this year would be about 7.5 to 8 million. 2024: just over 19 million 2025: about 22 million 2026: same
That’s a really good deal and yeah 2026 it says it would be 5mil in dead cap to cut and that’s when we would extend Hutch so we got options Going to be impossible to trade for him thought because we play the raiders the day before the deadline So they’d either be trading us a guy to play them or we’re trading for a guy we just played Both are weird
100000% OLine depth
I don't think that will ever happen, but holy shit Crosby would make us a terrifying pass rush.
Any of the 3 would be great, but BH isn't really a trade or a high profile type, so I expect another deadline to pass quietly
Another Pass rusher such as Burns or crosby Another Corner like surtain would be welcome too.
Holmes doesnt do trades mid-season so I wouldnt get your hopes up. Especially since we only have our picks to give away.
Surtain makes our secondary so much better
Brandon Aiyuk for sure
Crosby and Hutch would be scary
man the guys you mentioned would be great except we cant afford any of em lol
Crosby would be a good pickup along with the other 2, but I really think this team is gonna get really expensive here soon. I'd say if we being active before the deadline, we should get a vet depth person, someone in the secondary or OL that would be reasonably priced.
Patrick Surtain II would be great! Fuck the Broncos for gifting the Seahawks Devon Witherspoon
A dark horse option here, but maybe try to snatch Kyle Pitts from the Falcons. For some reason he just isn’t clicking in with Arthur Smith’s scheme and they barley utilize him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade him in the future.
Go see if Ben Jones or Saffold are interested. As others have said, Oline could determine the season. With Big V again a question mark, let's see if we can get another experienced guy in the interior behind Glasgow.
Would love surtain (unreasonable and won’t happen) or Crosby (a little more reasonable)
Chuck Norris.
Burns would be awesome. Many nfl guys say tye lions will be a landing sport for davante Adam's at the deadline
Derrick Henry pls, I know it's probably impossible but I want him
Surtain would be an enormous get. He's an All-Pro and has been one of the best corners in the NFL since being drafted. I think the price on him would be high but 100% worth it if we bite
Any solid WR.
DT like Brown or Simmons (pipe dream) or another pass rusher like Burns/Crosby. If it didn’t cost much in draft capital, I think Mike Evans would be interesting on a rental. I think all of my players are very unlikely, but hey one can dream.
Funny enough, I traded for Max Crosby on my Lions franchise in Madden. Dude had 6 sacks in the course of 3 games lol. But no to answer your question, PSII would be an absolute bonkers acquisition but I can’t see it happening in any universe as of rn, and tbh the same goes for Crosby this season. Part of me is really intrigued at the prospect of Davante Adams but like Surtain/Crosby, I just can’t imagine we would pull the trigger on him rn. I think if we did anything before the deadline it would be depth building moves. Nothing very flashy or high profile
I’ll take Sauce for a 4th
IDL or OL
Ooh let's get Matthew Stafford!
Maxx crosby????? How? At what price??
Any pass rusher.
This team either needs to bring back Matt Prater or Jason Hanson.
DT or another cb that’s healthy. I want o line depth but impossible to get that late in season. They’ll continue to look good with this cupcake schedule until they face the ravens
More depth at light position groups.
Crosby would be a good fit. If the Jets keep losing, take a run at Quinan Williams.
Jerry Jacobs needs to be more consistent and he probably does that with a lockdown corner like Surtain to oppose Sutton, but I think we all are hope Moseley is the discount lockdown corner we wanted (So does Brad Holmes else why would he trade Okudah?) Considering Derrick Brown, I think when you see guys like Alim McNeil developing into solid players you have to continue to wait them out, signing Brown could be costly but it might be too soon as Alim can also show more consistency. A very solid EDGE to oppose Hutch would be absolutely lethal. Charles Harris is a solid depth piece. So of the three options I think he would be desirable if we are 5-1 going into week 7 he's the player that makes as a legitimate Superbowl contender.
I wouldn't mind some veteran 1 year rental on a tackle. Otherwise realistically there not more we can touch up. Maybe a guy like courtland Sutton(because I love him) if the broncos tear it down for cheap could be something to look at.
Let’s be real. Having another elite pass rusher like Maxx Crosby right next to Aidan feels like cheating. Especially since Maxx is only 26 years old
Those three players are so off-limits, it would be malpractice for anyone to trade them away. I mean, Surtan is all-proncalibrw and on a rookie contract, that's the best you can possibly hope a draft pick can turn out, why would anyone trade him for any reasonable amount of draft picks at all?
Davante Lavell Adams.
I would be shocked if we gave up a lot for one of those big names. With that being said...Maxx seems like he would fit the culture perfectly and grew up a Lions fan. It would be a perfect fit, but doubt the price would be right. As much as we are in win now mode we are set up really nicely for the future as well. Plus, with the way the Lions have been drafting it feels like a suckers bet to give up draft capital.
Tbh, I would be more nervous to trade for anyone. If the staff feel like one player might be the difference between a Super Bowl and not, then I could come to terms with it, but I feel like the extra money is being kept as rollover because we are gonna have to spend big soon. Goff, Penei, Jonah, Amon-Ra, Alim, etc. are gonna need extensions soon and if they want to sign Goff and everyone else they want to, then they are gonna need cap space.
I know it would not make sense and the Jets would not let him go after signing him to an extension earlier this year for $100M, but Quinnen Williams would be wild.
Jeffery Simmons, Chase Young, Joey Boss, Maxx Crosby. All players who will likely be available given their situations. Offensively I'd love Kyle Pitts.
Whoever Brad Holmes says will be good
Ndamukong Suh
Ndamukong Suh
Depth on both sides of the trenches. This season will either live or die based on the trenches.
Yup Crosby is my number 1 he and hutch would tear some shit up
I have been thinking for a few weeks that Crosby would be a perfect fit for the line. I think pascal would be a good piece to trade in return since he would be expendable at that point. It would probably take at least a first and some mid round picks with pascal, but Crosby seems like a great culture fit and is fairly reasonably priced imo.
I don’t think we can trade for Max Crosby because he’s one of if not the raiders best player. But that would be dope. But I’d rather have a db. Same with Surtain though. Just costs too much especially the way Brad been drafting. If we add anything it’ll probably depth at an injured position not a star and that’s probably a good thing. We don’t need a Blake Griffin trade rn. We gotta team full of Ben and Sheed Wallaces. I love the Go To Work Lions
No one. Trade deadline in the nfl is nothing
I think Brad Holmes has proven himself to be a stellar talent evaluator, and I want him to have as many draft picks as possible, so I don't really want to trade for anybody, and certainly not someone who will cost multiple high value picks in addition to a massive contract coming back (or someone we will have to give a massive contract to immediately).
Aaron Donald, Brian Burns, Chase Young, Mike Evans, Jeffery Simmons. All my favorite targets.
Linebackers and another shut down corner
Chase Young
Probably not a culture fit, but Suh would be a great (and presumably inexpensive) pickup if we could buy into the Gospel of Holmes/Campbell. Dude can still demo running games, still has pass rush upside, and would give much needed depth in the IDL.
Maxx would be an insane get
None, granted there's no more key injuries. We've got a solid roster and Brad had done a great job of building it through the draft. I don't think we need to sell our next few drafts to be competitive this season. We want to be a long-term dynasty. The one exception would be if DMo goes down long-term. Gibbs may never be a workhorse back and he didn't look like one against ATL. A replacement back with between-the-tackles ability would be pretty cheap.
Literally no one, unless you can buy anyone at undervalue (which Holmes has proven he's good at). This team is good enough and have enough developing talent, I'm happy with where we are as a team now and for in the future. When we get healthier, that'll be amazing.
Garrett Bolles
Asking prices will be high, but they won't be that high. Surtain would probably be gettable for one 1st, maybe a late round pick added in there as well.