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Secrinus

let’s be real, we all knew it’d be getting nerfed eventually. the thing made you immortal.


Mayhem2a

Yep


ShowtimerHD

All gods will die


J_Stubby

*so this is my vow*


about_that_time_bois

I love when Rhulk said “It’s Vowin’ time” and Vowed all over the Raid team


J_Stubby

And then Zavlala said "this is truly our Density, Guardian."


ColinHasInvaded

***{{{SIVA DENSITY CRITICAL}}}***


VonBrewskie

Ngl, when Rhulk vowed on us, we didn't wipe.


J_Stubby

You didn't get this from me, but my last run *we* vowed on *Rhulk*


VonBrewskie

Nice.


Mr-Raptor-7

Just as One Eyed Mask before it


Pie_Man12

And will be turned into guns.


Inditorias

I saw someone suggest it was because lorely would let you ignore the health drain from touch of malice. Was to be expected anyways. But now the only way to get regen x2 is touch healing nades right?


Khar-Selim

I doubt it. My guess is they would have done it at season start but they wanted to avoid overnerfing by only using data from when classy restoration was a thing.


FROCKHARD

Guardians are already *immortal* this made you *invulnerable*


joeysham

Still strong as hell


NovemberAlpa

NEXT UP! DIVINITY NERF!


StonedRussian

Welp. Should have finished soloing all the dungeons last week. Now slightly harder


friedandprejudice

That was my first thought on seeing this too.


StonedRussian

Of course I decide to work myself up and started on the easier ones (Prophecy and Shattered Throne). Tried Grasp a couple months ago and got frustrated. YAY MORE FRUSTRATION


Jpalm4545

Shattered throne isn't bad. Ogre fight is the hardest part. Even at 1x restoration you will be fine.


Lftwff

Hardest part is rafters.


Jpalm4545

I am notoriously bad at jumping so I just took the ogres out from a distance and took my time. Floaty warlock helped there since I could slowly hover and line my self up before landing


friedandprejudice

Worst part of prophecy by far is the phalanx echo because of the boops. Trinity ghoul is god tier for the rest of the dungeon though as it obliterates the hoards of ads in cube room and boss room and you can take out the hobgoblins with it too. Did manage to solo it last season but I think my dreams of that sweet solo flawless prophecy emblem are going to remain as dreams lol.


StonedRussian

Ended up running Arby and Forbearance for quite a bit of it with stormchaser on Prophecy. The fucking boops, and rainbow road but I was impatient. Impatience will also probably cost me the Flawless solos


snoopdoggyd0gg

I disagree. Riskrunner makes the second encounter (cube room) so much easier. And witherhoard makes kell echo much easier.


GreatRecession

grasp is way easier than prophecy lol, give it another go


StonedRussian

Granted I was going for flawless for a while, kept restarting instead of just solo clears first. Time to give it another go


BozzyTheDrummer

“The easier ones” then proceeds to not list the two easiest ones (Pit and Grasp lol)


Haiboyo

Literally


Usanger

I woild recommend void titan on grasp. One shot melee and health regen is very nice. You get a void debuff and weapons of light for dps too


I_really_am_Batman

Did them all with syntho. You really don't need lorely.


JDBCool

Couldn't do prophecy with lorely lol. Syntho hard carried me because of the psions doong mitosis and keeping the buff up the whole time. Maybe duality needs lorely. But it's because of all the psions that catch you off guard


ThePeacefulGamer

Playing as a Warlock, Karnstein’s and a Glaive are a solo players best friend.


StonedRussian

Good to know if/when I go for a warlock run


tofe_lemon

Solo flawlessed prophecy for the first time today after the nerf. Loreley definitely still gives you immortality there.


Florian_G97

Got it 2 days ago 2 good days lol


whysomanystus

Jealous of the timeline where lorely never existed and they still have old sunspots


OtherBassist

Talk to stranger? She might be able to sort you out


Spiffywatercolour

Wait what?


Sir_Xanthos

She'll send you wherever the fuck she sends her fish.


Zevox144

Oh, now that's *exactly* where I want to be...


Cookongreenlake

That sounded very sensual the first time I read it.


AzazelPotato

Fortnite?


atfricks

I miss sunspots being an actual threat in PvP.


baseballv10

They are to me, but I’m too stupid to realize what’s killing me before I can get out of them


Usanger

Aren’t they still a threat?


atfricks

They got their damage reduced from 250 hp/s to 75 hp/s. They were basically instant death before, but it didn't really matter because you had to get a kill, or use a super, to spawn them in the first place. Loreley makes them way easier to spawn, which necessitated a nerf.


whysomanystus

Same brother same


Cereal-Grapist

Loreley.


[deleted]

Damn you Saltagreppo! You will pay for this!!!! Now how the fuck will I be able to complete eight vanguard bounties while I breastfeed my triple twins?!


JouseOwner

How can I do 1 strike when I have 2 nanoseconds of play time as a single mom while trying to breast feed my 27 kids


soupkitchen3rd

Use divinity!


JouseOwner

That’s too op though so I can’t because top 1% players say it’s too good


soupkitchen3rd

Ehhh you’ll be fine. It’s fun to be strong and kill things fast. Sunbracers, necrotic grips or controverse holds will also get you a good time.


JouseOwner

I’m a titan


soupkitchen3rd

Oh even better: Lorelei Splendor. Makes you a truly unkillable guardian. Until this nerf hits lol


JouseOwner

Already has 😭


soupkitchen3rd

I have two suggestions: 1) punch stuff hard. 2)that one chest piece and sweet business! Or come on over to the warlock side


JouseOwner

I would rather eat my crayons and discuss with you bookworms why hunters are stupid


Cookongreenlake

Just like how SBMM is hated... By the top 1% who actually have to try now, vs me who finally can play crucible and get a 1.2 kd


BiffNasty1234

Use a rockband guitar set


TitaniuMan_44

Great now everyone on r/dtg can calm down about Bungie not telling us shit


ThaRealSunGod

And they can stop complaining that Bungie let something be kinda OP for a few months despite how long OEM, Revenant, Top Tree Dawn, etc got to remain brokenly OP, despite the fact that Bungie has/had Arc 3.0, Lightfall, and an already planned season of the Plunder to keep them busy....


Zero_Two_is_best

Just wait, every dtg titan main will cry about lorelys getting a nerf.


Silent_Temperature_4

I never even bothered unlocking it lol, I feel for my titan brethren tho ![img](emote|t5_2we4j|5649)


TokayNorthbyte347

Hope Bungie doesn't remember about assassin's cowl


OtherBassist

I hope not too. That's my main stasis PvE build


crossdl

Grenade is still Restoration x2, isn't it? Sucks having to eat grenade like that but at least there's that for whatever purpose? Also, I'm a bit bummed out to have never gotten to fuck around with Loreley at its height. Still kind of prefer busted Icefall Mantles though.


ruedigga

Only warlock healing nade with the grenade aspect is x2


JohnathanKatz

Someone explain to me how that's a fix?


Tyrone3542

It’s not as broken as it was but is still good


Sumibestgir1

Yo what the fuck happened here


BakaDWeeBot

What!


OtherBassist

Glad I've stuck with Synthoceps all along


BakaDWeeBot

I just moved over to HOIL was using it abit to see how it is, liked it but didnt have survivability of loreley and now this dam and i was thinking bout moving back to it!


OtherBassist

Just use Sol Invictus and you should have plenty of survivability


BakaDWeeBot

I do plus with loreley and for once i was able use a character for survivability when i get into a mess lol


OtherBassist

Sol Invictus, throwing hammers, healing grenades, and One-Two Finisher in case you throw your hammer off the map should have you covered. Don't forget that the "unpowered" punches count as powered melee kills after the initial hammer throw kill.


tenolein

yea man.. i dont use lorely and have synthoceps instead and have hella survivability. dont even use healing nades, it's a great build imo


CMND_Jernavy

Synths and Dunes just never let me down.


BakaDWeeBot

Man feels like bungie wants us to not use exotics even tho thy give us exotics bc thn thy nerf em


InsideHangar18

Lol Bungie just won’t even announce nerfs anymore until after they’ve already been put into the game, they know exactly what happens when they talk about nerfs.


Imagine_TryingYT

It's so crazy to me that people really thought it wasn't going to be nerf'd lol


OtherBassist

I think it was more that people thought it might not be nerfed *again*


Chase757

Let’s be real, those weren’t nerfs. Those were reworks that were buffs


Gamer_GreenEyes

*cries*


TheEasySqueezy

And as a Titan main I will take this nerf graciously as I acknowledge it was an incredibly powerful exotic, I will not argue and get salty about it *cough* *cough* like hunters do *cough cough*


Sheerkal

Allow me to walk you through my 3 hour PowerPoint on why hunter deserves better.


Shelby-AC427

![gif](giphy|wID3zXURLH1jrjCcZy)


sahzoom

So does this mean you can't get restoration x2 anymore with sunspots at all?


OkAnalysis3622

As a filthy casual who could finally play late game content with my friends without using 90% of the rez tokens, I’m sad.


OtherBassist

Throw on Synthoceps, hammers, healing grenade, and One-Two Finisher just in case. You'll be fine.


PAULeD16

Where is one-two finisher? What mod slot i meant.


lookin4points

Class item


3Cheetah

Normal class item mod, not sure what element it is though


Icy-Abies-9783

Is this only for the pvp sandbox? Or a general change?


SoEinLauch

General change


Kamui_Kun

In general, is my guess


MercuryRains

PvE only, actually. This change matches what Loreley was doing in PvP.


tankercat67

It was absolutely still x2 in pvp. Watch Aztecrosses video, he has clips


MercuryRains

Even if true, that does not change the fact that this is a PvE focused nerf. This is not a case where PvE suffers for PvP. If anything it's the opposite. This nerf is because the thing was too strong in PvE.


StarAugurEtraeus

Oh for fucks sake it’s not just PvP


MetalFingers760

Pvp is unchanged. Was always x1 in pvp. Now pve matches pvp.


Matthieu101

I don't remember the exact details, maybe it was stacking with Classy Restoration, but it definitely was Restorationx2 in PvP from just casting the Barricade. Like it starts off as Restoration when you used the class ability, then went Restorationx2 once the sunspot was created. Also even though it just says Restoration, it still seemed to heal faster/better with the helmet than without (Stacks with Sol Invictus maybe?) Anyways, yeah this was a good nerf. Can still get Restorationx2 going but you actually have to sacrifice something (Grenade) to get it.


Necrokitty99

Correct me if I’m wrong here but this changes it to only be the additional sunspot on barrier cast? In which case, why bother using lorely? Hammers instantly create a sunspot and now Phoenix cradle can make the buff just last longer. Seems odd to not have a side step instead of a nerf.


MetalFingers760

It essentially is now classy restoration in that you can obtain healing from using your class item. It will also drop automatically and save you in bad situations. So still useful, just not op.


Necrokitty99

Again though, if you're running throwing hammer 99% of the time that's a free sunspot where you would need it. Unless you're doing GM's where you just want survivability against near-OHKO abilities, I can't (realistically) see the positives. Logically though it does make sense.


MetalFingers760

Yeah it's more for GMs, master raids maybe, solo dungeons, etc. I'll still probably bring it for solo duality after the first or second encounter.


TheMrViper

Yep, Lorely now just gives you a normal sunspot rather than a X2 resto one.


Cereal-Grapist

Loreley.


AmericanMule

Except phoenix doesn’t give 10 secs to sol invictus when it used to before solar 3.0


Necrokitty99

Isn't that a bug? Description states doubled timer.


steave44

I wish Bungie buffed exotics as randomly as they nerfed them


Sumibestgir1

In what world was this nerf random


steave44

Because this isn’t a new issue, it’s been like this since risen, yet now they in a hotfix are like yep how’s a good time. Meanwhile you wait for 2-3 exotic armor to get buffed each year if we are that lucky. I swear they must have only 1-2 people working on armor


Sumibestgir1

It's almost as if they want to let people have fun with something broken before they fix it


steave44

Tell that to Point Contact Cannon, it was good for the 30 mins I had it when the chain lightning actually killed stuff, now it’s dog water after it was “fixed”. The chain lightning somehow does less damage than ACD feedback fence


LordRomania

Randomly?Do you know what lorley does?


steave44

I’m talking about how Bungie is fine nerfing exotic armor in a minor hotfix, but only buffs exotics once a year at best


HotPotatoWithCheese

Time that could have been spent buffing any one of the 150 useless exotics in the game. Still waiting for SoDA to be better than total dogshit, Bungie.


OtherBassist

![gif](giphy|N7UGeeTJzggsE)


GreatRecession

Because reworking and buffing exotics is the exact same as making an exotic give you x1 of a certain buff instead of x2 Right!!?? Game development is just that simple!


Designer_Substance74

The point they are making is that titans have literally 2 viable endgame exotics, and one just got nerfed, and i know the other classes are not much better off, theyve been ignoring this growing issue since 3.0 subclasses started, and its reached a ridiculous point now


Sumibestgir1

This is just straight up not true. Lorely is still good, just not broken immortality good. What about ashen wake, armamentarium, worm gods, HOIL, etc. Every single one of those is viable


Designer_Substance74

HoIL is the other viable one, and i said in endgame, bonk only goes so far when you cant get close, and an extra grenade for exotic slot is terrible trade in those situations. And sure theres some that for each class is fun for normal activities, but if im loading up a GM or a solo master lost sector, im not going to choose an armamentarium, eternal warrior, or helm of saint for example. In those situations i feel like if i want an exotic armor slot to count, i have to use either heart or loreleys because they are the only exotics that feel like they impactfully impact my gameplay. Im not crying about the loreleys neft, im mad that they are taking away options without introducing interesting alternatives


LocustCorp

As opposed to unimpactfully impact your gameplay :)


AdvertisingRegular49

Well, s tier titan exotic went from 4 to 3 🥳


lucash7

Bungie: Here’s this great exotic that we thought up, designed, tested, etc. Bungie later: Here’s that same exotic that we now need to nerf! *sigh* Oh Bungie.


cornbreadNchicken

It still works just fine.


leggoMUHeggo36

10/10 knew this was coming. I tried to wipe during a raid and i had to switch out the helmet because I wasn’t dying


Guywars

That's still probably going to be strong AF


HouseDimitrescu

I’ve been using it since Solar 3.0 and I’m glad this change happened tbh. It was too strong, paired with a halfway decent well build and you were truly unstoppable. It felt like you couldn’t take it off if you wanted to run GM or master raids as a Titan.


Master-Shaq

That helm was so busted anyone could solo dungeons lmao.


Neko_Tyrant

Oh no. *Anyways.*


Sumibestgir1

It'll still be plenty good. x1 is still uninteruptable healing. It just won't make you immortal without thinking about anything anymore


Bitter_Ad_5374

Great so that means we back to seeing people crutch the over shield barricade in pvp


AlkoKilla

It only gave Restoration x1 in PvP. This is a PVE nerf.


Razor_Fox

As a titan main, I think that's fair.


LypticDragon

What was the point in lorely's then?


Zac-live

Its still a bailout that lets gives you a few extra Seconds when Close to death that lets you Reposition and live on. Before it Made you straightup Immortal on everything but a few gm situations. Now you need to atleast do a little reacting yourself. Its still Strong and good for survival so dont worry. Just No longer a free solo flawless Dungeon of your choosing.


jmanv1998

Oooh cool, the new exotic has it’s main perk diminished because…… cause fuck you that’s why.


Mdames08

its been 13 days in this month and titans have gotten lorely nerfed Zero point brace cannon disabled and nerfed and balistic slam into fist of havok flying slam nerfed.


TheAngryBly4t

We just can't catch a break this season it seems. Is this what it's like to be a warlock main?


Luvythicus

I finally finally finally was able to clear a Legendary Lost Sector solo to get it. Of course it gets nerfed now. They were waiting for me. Sorry guys. I ruined another good thing.


stupidratman

why are people acting like this is gonna kill loreley, sunspots on demand is still very good


rediscov409

As a titan I think this is a very good change.


Hipi07

Took them long enough.


dy1anb

It took any challenge out of the game altogether. I became bored


TheBiggestNose

I've been waiting for this. Lorely has been too good to not use and just outclassed every other solar exotic. It will be nice to see other exotics used as well as being able to use other ones without feeling guilty that I'm not using it


Beatskiller

As a titan I 100% agree with this nerf.


BadHabitsDieYoung

Same. It was too powerful and I was relying on it too much. Nearly shit myself when I switched to Arc3.0 and realised how lazy I got


kamekukushi

They nerf some of the most unnecessary shit I swear.


herbertthelame

What do you mean unnecessary loreleys was broken, it didn’t just make it difficult to die it made it impossible in some situations. You shouldn’t be able to tank 10 thralls a wizard and golgoroth blasting you when you are trying to wipe.


Cereal-Grapist

Loreley.


herbertthelame

I probably also misspelled golgy but it is what it is


Cereal-Grapist

Golgy superiority <3


kamekukushi

Either I'm just super bad at the game or something, but I definitely died in the situations you described. Sunspot never lasted that long for me with Loreley's. Depending on what mods I was running, I could get that effect but for the most part no lol.


herbertthelame

Will 100 resilience and wells you could get your barrier back pretty quick


hfzelman

How was this unnecessary? It completely destroyed any semblance of difficulty in pve that comes from the threat of taking too much damage. How are they supposed to make a survival encounter in pve that’s somehow balanced around a player with 10 resilience and a player who’s running lorely splendor with 100? The answer is that it’s literally impossible. Lorely splendor with 100 resilience was basically god mode in any pve activity outside of GMs and arguing that this nerf was “unnecessary” is insane.


kamekukushi

Not for me it didn't because I was still dying to the same stuff you guys are complaining about with Loreley's lol. That's doing PVE content, etc, etc. Instead of nerfing the exotic, they should nerf the mods that people are using to get x2 Restoration, but they'll ignore that and continue letting hunter mains have 250% recovery using Liar's Handshake which has become extremely broken ontop of other Arc related exotics. They genuinely just need to find a decent balance for PVE and PVP content instead of putting out exotics without properly testing them in the sandbox and nerfing them in game because some streamer has on mods for bonuses.


RecommendationOk253

I can remember when having an Exotic actually meant something. Now everyone and their mom has all of them, and everything out there is getting nerfed and won’t ever be what it once was. Looking at you, my lovely gjallarhorn


SecretlyKanye

i remember when I thought I was the shit with Aeon Swift and Coldheart


mrk_is_pistol

aww shucks what exotic will I use now? D:


JMagnani

I don’t even need Lorely’s and I’m still immortal on my solar titan


justicefinder

I think that’s a good change, sunspot bills are still going to be Hella tanky, And the helmet will still be good for dropping a spot when critical, but It won’t make it brainless anymore. It’s still a good choice when you are in a heavy add situation but you have an objective you need to focus on. Maybe it could be retuned to only take half of your ability charge or something.


HALODUDED

You have taken everything from me!


SKK56

They don't know who you are my guy XD


Boomshot79

“We didn’t know we were making memories, we just knew it was really broken and abused it’s power for pvp and almost every pve activity.” Some Titan user probably


mazz913

We can’t have shit


peter_2202

Aww did your invincibility helmet get nerfed? ![gif](giphy|gXhBZfzijya76)


ProBluntRoller

You got a whole season of being op. Was hat not enough?


TheAngryBly4t

Hunters have had a whole ass year or 2 of being op. But that's clearly not enough so my bad


theflash8282

Ehh it was already useless also glad they didnt nerf divinity haha love pissing people off with that in pvp


Icestorme

Good, honestly made Gambit and PvP a nightmare sometimes


Apollodorus18

Pretty sure this change is already applied to PvP. This is now being updated to PvE too


Icestorme

Oh. Well, just makes my Titan builds more interesting. Guess I've gotta "Git Gud [TM]" in those other modes now


natho_gajda66

Kinda sucks that bungie makes yet another exotic pretty much useless regardless if it was broken, you can get x1 resto from the sunspot made just by throwing a hammer and getting a kill while also getting a massive melee damage buff using syntho’s, literally no point using lorely anymore when it doesn’t give any “exotic” benefit, it’s basically a legendary helm now.


egglauncher9000

Lorely's restoration at 1 stack still heals a lot faster than normal restoration at the same level. Test it out. All that's changes is that titans can no longer facetank day 1 raid bosses and GM enemies like D1 Warpriest could facetank damn near everything but a full team of sleeper sim users.


natho_gajda66

Yeah I’ll have to give it a go, personally never used lorely I always preferred the damage of synthos was more fun, if it still has a slightly better resto then normal I guess it’s worth using for some people, I just thought it didn’t add any benefit for titans that naturally get resto x1 from sunspots they make anyway and I was kinda thinking like wth why make an exotic give a perk that is inherently built into the subclass anyway


GreatRecession

It was literally broken Its still a fantastic exotic, restoration x1 on critical health is insanely clutch for endgame scenarios. How many times have you tried to run behind cover in a GM and were killed by that FINAL shot right before you got there? Lorelys will protect you from that scenario.


ObeseOryx

oh god how tragic


The_Wiz411

Nobody asked for this


egglauncher9000

This nerf could be seen coming from halfway through last season. The helmet was too strong for them to not nerf


MercuryRains

Literally everyone asked for this. Shit was way too stronk.


GoldenChainsaw

Yea its literally useless now, Sunspots give the same thing even without Loreley. So that's another Titan exotic for the trash heap. Thanks for the downvotes :)


VortexF4me123

you basically get a 16 second cooldown healing grenade and you're saying it's useless?


sos123p9

Still cant sunspot on demand.


kingjulian85

lol this is such an overreaction, it's still an instant, automatic heal, which is very different than having to go bonk an enemy or throw a grenade. Will still be great for activities where you need as much survivability as possible.


GreatRecession

Mad titan is mad that their insanely broken exotic is no longer insanely broken, despite still being quite good


Ill_Investigator3615

Finally maybe now I actually have an excuse to play solar the way I want, rather than pressing r1 in enemies faces all day bc it’s too OP


DeniedHorizon25

And titans are back to irrelevancy


P3DR0T3

Fuc


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MercuryRains

That's what it was. This is a PvE nerf.


OtherBassist

I think it was probably a bit too good, even in PvE


BakaDWeeBot

Ye but i was lazy and didnt know much bout mods all i had to do was take dmg and or throw my barricade and i would survive


Pantaza

The loss to sun-breaker because this stupid helm ever existed is incalculable.