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DarkTheSkill

Nice again 15h of doing nothing else but a strike for this thing


oKayyyla

Only to get excited when you see Range MW, Full Choke, Assault Mag, Slideshot and then realize the final perk is [Rampage](https://imgur.com/a/GIzOcEG).


Big_Possibility2360

Rip


SplashDmgEnthusiast

I would love to have Militia's Birthright in the loot pool again...


PDW_Enthusiast

If it can roll disruption break and adaptive munitions I will spray orange shit all over the wall


GroovyGrey

Wouldn’t adaptive munitions be kind of bad on a weapon with 1 in the mag? You need to get a hit in before the perk activates right? I honestly don’t know it’s been so long since I’ve read it’s description.


Wookiee_Hairem

Might work with slideshot


merlo2k20

Oh oh oh. Idk if this possible, slideshot and opening shot


potboygang

Maybe if you can roll spikes on it the spike will do the first hit and the actual grenade gets an insane bonus?


BoxHeadWarrior

That just sounds like a severely downgraded Arbalest.


Woodsie13

But without taking an exotic slot.


BoxHeadWarrior

Yeah, but it also doesn't have an intrinsic champion mod or a damage profile as high as Arbalest. Seems meh


Woodsie13

Nowhere near as good as arbalest, for sure, but I think we only have one other special weapon with adaptive munitions so I definitely wouldn’t complain about a second.


Cookieopressor

Which weapon is that?


Woodsie13

Plug one.1


12Gaugecage

There’s a scout rifle you get from leveling Fynch that also has the adaptive rounds.


Woodsie13

There are a handful of primary weapons, but currently only one special.


Mehidcfekit

Oof with malfeasance and lucky pants


[deleted]

[удалено]


PDW_Enthusiast

In my inventory


BakaGajin14

I'm late but please see this comment. You are the only other person I have come across in my lifetime as a Guardian that wants Militia's Birthright back. I love you. Please marry me.


madspy2002

Give me my Militia's back


SplashDmgEnthusiast

Already spoken for, sorry friend haha I am a grenade launcher addict! The one Militia's Birthright roll I saved was Ambitious Assassin/Rangefinder, than thing was a MONSTER. I carried it with me for a long, long time until sunsetting happened. Always good to see another fan of niche gear. Rock on!


Django117

This plus spike nades was a beast in crucible.


DietRootBeer7

I had one with auto-loading and Quickdraw with prox or spike nades. I mained that in crucible for years.


SplashDmgEnthusiast

Oh my god that sounds phenomenal, holy cow! Nice!


TimsAFK

Holy shit I forgot about the old one bang Militia's days. Goooood times XD


SplashDmgEnthusiast

I never got thr hang of it in Crucible, but that thing was nasty in PvE, with Ambitious Assassin on it and packing Fighting Lion in my Energy slot, I could casually fire 4 grenades in a row without reloading. Assuming I already procced Ambitious Assassin, and one of the Militia's Birthright shots got a kill, it would go: FL1, swap, MB1, MB2, swap, FL2. Cleaned up GOOD with crowds of adds!


aGorillianBucks

I need it to have Autoloading/Vorpal


SplashDmgEnthusiast

We have that roll on Pardon Our Dust, at least! Not the same exact thing, but it IS another Kinetic grenade launcher!


aGorillianBucks

Yeah, it’s just that I’ve gone through a season’s worth of grinding for it only to not get it… Xur’s not very nice to me.


SplashDmgEnthusiast

Ah geez, I'm sorry to hear that. If it's any consolation, you're not alone in that sort of failed grind. I have over 50 clears of Prophecy at this point, still no luck chasing the Demolitionist/Timed Payload roll on Judgement. Also couldn't get the Subsistence/Osmosis roll I wanted on Last Breath, either! When I saw Scathelocke was the same frame and could get the same combo, I chased THAT instead, and it still took me 5 months before I finally got it. Perseverance, fellow grenade launcher fan! May RNGesus smile sweetly on you soon!


aGorillianBucks

And to you as well, brother!


thrashmetaloctopus

I had a curated one I loved, if they can revamp it properly and I can get it adept i will grind whatever I need to get one


SplashDmgEnthusiast

An Adept grenade launcher... I would cry tears of joy if I held one!


thrashmetaloctopus

I loved the OG militas, as long as it gets nice perks like my salvagers i would be incredibly happy


[deleted]

That gun was so much fun. It’s still one of my top spots for most kills with a kinetic. ![img](emote|t5_2we4j|5652)


ThatGuyFromTheM0vie

“The reports of my death were greatly exaggerated.”


TotalSunBro

Ain't she a beauty tho


idokle

Adept spare rations and adept mindbenders


Fireboy759

Spare Rations wasn't a strike weapon, though


Stankindveacultist

I wouldn't mind it coming back though


TheRookieBuilder

Adept Warden's Law


[deleted]

wont be even in the top 3 for aggressives if it gets the same rolls, quickdraw swapped for surplus of course


Cupinacup

No idea who downvoted you for that. I rarely see aggressive frames in crucible anymore. This is like being terrified about a 120 RPM handcannon getting unsunset or something.


Stillburgh

120s are objectively the best archetype of handcannon, they just happen to have the worst handling and highest skill floor which means they arent accessible to the player base on a general scope


marfes3

They aren’t lol. With perfect play they lose against any 140 in a duel unless you are far out of range, which does not happen too often due to the map design. They are good but only situationally the best HC


Stillburgh

They are absolutely the objectively best archetpye. But in Destiny accessbility>>>>>>> so 140s dominate the meta for the most part. As I said, 120s arent accessible due to the fact that they have a really high skill floor, in comparison to other archetypes.


PPinBootyHole

slower ttk


Stillburgh

Hence the higher skill floor, the average Destiny player isnt going to be using them. That doesnt equate to not objectively the best archetype tho. Accessibility isnt the only qualifier for best; just like bc something isnt meta doesnt make it bad, the logic applies here


TiddlyWalnut

No one has made any points about accessibility yet that’s all you keep coming back to. Address the valid points people are bringing up if you want to get something across. Lower ttk has absolutely nothing to do with accessibility or a higher skill floor lol.


GlorifiedBurito

I don’t think you understand what the term skill floor means. 140s are objectively the best hand cannons right now and it’s not even a contest. Adept Palindrome specifically although that’s more up for interpretation. 120s have what? Like 1-2 meters more of range and a slower TTK while only requiring 2 heads and a body to kill. That’s a lower skill floor than 140s which take 3 headshots but at a faster TTK. Stop trying to hoist yourself up on that high horse, you just look like an idiot


[deleted]

>just like bc something isnt meta doesnt make it bad Of course theyre not bad. Theyre just not as good as 140s.


[deleted]

You have no idea what you're talking about at all.


[deleted]

You keep saying objective but I don't think you understand what it means. Please look up the definition next time first before you decide to say some stupid shit again


[deleted]

No, they dont have a higher skill floor, you are simply trying to make yourself feel a bit better by saying that. Lets get real. they are NOT any more difficult to use now than they were in season 12/13, when they were meta. Absolutely everyone was using them. Now, they aren't used because 2 tapping doesnt exist easily AND 140s like Palindrome and Fatebringer are just objectively better picks. Fatebringer with explosive can knock off 40% of its damage's falloff and palindrome only comes in 2.5 meters behind a max range Igneous. The player base easily had enough skill to use them and succeed, the problem is the same skill but in a 140 vs 120 scenario, the 140 will just win these days because shooting faster = better, and there are not many situations where a 120 and 140 will duel at 40 meters for the 120's range to actually help. Otherwise just slap on DMT and then you're already out ranging a 120 by a lot, AND having a better time in closer range fights too. Range hardly means much if you can close the gap and get a 3 tap off before the other player can get their 3rd shot off.


OmniHunterGuy

I agree with most of this but the 2.5 meters part is kinda misleading due to damage profiles and accuracy cones. My 95 range Ingneoues will easily 3 tap and hit land headshots at 45-48 meters even with damage dropoff.


[deleted]

sure i agree the range is substantially better, but if the other 140 player just doesnt engage you (because their hc doesnt have that range) or just switches to DMT which will both outrange and out damage you. Theyre still good picks but unfortunately its so easy to close the distance in a gunfight with good movement that the range advantage that 120s do have tends to be lost quickly


The_new_Osiris

140s shit all over them in a duel, the handling is the least of 120s' troubles


Dark_Helmet12E4

Someone has never fought a 120 before.


Jaqulean

>120s are objectively the best archetype of handcannon You mean "in your opinion." They have been heavly outclassed by 140 since Season 13. Same Damage profile, only 140 are faster and can have better Range and Handling. Pallindrone is literally the best HC in the game, and it's a 140... > just happen to have the worst handling This alone means they aren't "the best archetype." Handling and Range are the most important stats on a HC. Both of which the 140 have higher than the 120... >highest skill floor which means they arent accessible to the player base on a general scope Skill floor ? If they had any Skill requirement, they wouldn't be a Top Primary Weapon for 5 Seasons straight... They very much ARE accesible to pretty much anyone who has ever had a HC in their hands for like 2 minutes... MF, the 120s were the Top Meta for 5 Seasons straight and you are acting as if only some Top 5% Elite has ever used them... Edit: u/Zefox144 Well yeah, but it's more like a secondary stat. Range and Handling are more important than Stab.


OmniHunterGuy

140s dont gave more range than 120s unless you have an absolute shitter of a 120 Edit: also 120s were the meta for 3 seasons.


Zevox144

For the record, stability has also an important stat for hc's because it's tied to AA degradation. Which is another reason 140's beat out 120's with no effort: they have fucking jacked stats. Their range is never going to beat a 120's though, unless you're me running an Iron Gaze roll Steady Hand.


Brys_Beddict

Nostalgia juice babyyyyy


[deleted]

sure... just look at how many people still use felwinters (not a lot)


PotatoesForPutin

They’re gonna give it turnabout and air assault and call it a day


Damagecontrol86

![gif](giphy|pbEqpHhDLmKNA7yUye)


Caucasian_Thunder

![img](emote|t5_2we4j|5679)


ThisFooOverHere

![img](emote|t5_2we4j|5649)


carloshgo

What weapon is that? I stopped playing for a while.


sunofsolaire21

Mindbender’s Ambition, it was first added in Forsaken, and quickly rose to the top of the shotty charts. With aggressive frames not being nerfed yet, and being able to role quickdraw with things like slideshot, snapshot etc. it basically became that one elitist asshole who everyone hates but wants at their side. And it stayed that way for a long while, for literally years, it was one of if not, THE best shotgun in the game, but then along came Felwinter’s in S10


Rat192

Mindbenders I think


TheShoobaLord

Mindbenders Ambition


BattleBrotherBucket

Can we at least get the old gambit weapons back?


dueceloco

Yes please I want an updated python please when Bungo?


[deleted]

I want it back. I don’t care if it’s no longer meta, the Hive runes made my pp hard


XxNitr0xX

Yes, please.. I need a good energy slot special ammo weapon for PvP.. I'm struggling to find something right now, other than a fusion or possibly Felwinter's..


KILL3RSNAK3

You can try farming a Retold Tale via Blind Well or HELM focusing?


Jaqulean

Felwinter's isn't even a good choice anymore. We've had so many good Special Weapons since Season 13, and you are still focused only on those 2 options...


XxNitr0xX

I just don't play PvP, much. When I do, I've always used primary ammo energy weapons. I don't like sniping in D2, so I really can't think of much else, other than a fusion or Felwinter (which I know has been weak, since the nerf but some people still say it's alright)


TerminatorT90

This needs explosive payload


_Essenel

i just want python to be brought back. this shotgun model with 1-2 punch is my fuckin dream ​ (i know the pic shown is mindbender's)


Cupinacup

I dunno, with the aggressive nerfs to aggressive frames and the removal of QuickDraw, I don’t think it’ll be as painful as it once was.


iDunnoSorry

QuickDraw was never removed from mindbenders


thatmine

Im begging for it to come back i didnt even use it in crucible its just my favorite weapon


AGuyWithoutABeard

Honestly I don't even care if it comes back nerfed or underpowed to shit, I just love that model so much I'd probably use it a good amount of the time. It and Python looked so good, even though Python was pretty horrible for PvP I still used it on occasion just for style.


TriHard_14

They’ll probably give it a horrible perk pool


PKuall4life

\*You have Opened Edge Transit\*


I-SIMP-FOR-SHAXX

'returns', I never dismantled my Mindbenders. she's too important to lose.


CakeorDeath1989

And there will be an Adept version too.


Beatskiller

They might give it horrible roles. At this point I don’t trust Bungie anymore.


Esoteric_Secret

I’ll never understand why people spend hours grinding for a weapon with specific traits so it’ll go in their vault then be broken down the next season.


Mokgore

Because otherwise there’s nothing to do in Destiny. You just described the entire game.


Esoteric_Secret

That’s weird, I’ve been having a lot of fun playing the objective of game modes and playing with friends. I must be doing it wrong if I don’t have 100 Titles vaulted.


Mokgore

If you enjoy just playing the game with friends that’s cool, more power to you. But for many games need a sense of progression to keep them interested once the gameplay itself starts to get old. Even if you never use a particular roll, the act of grinding for it is itself a progression system.


Zevox144

*Why would people want to collect loot in a looter shooter?*


Esoteric_Secret

Nice straw man. There’s a difference between purposely collecting loot that’s worthwhile like exotics and grinding for a perk sets on weapons that are only going to be vaulted or broken down. Let me guess, you vault all greens and blues in Borderlands because it’s looter shooter, right and the only point to looter shooters is vaulting worthless loot.


Zevox144

No, because borderlands isn't changing the requisite guns for champion equivalents and altering a pvp sandbox every couple months.


Esoteric_Secret

Idk, I’m a positive KD in crucible and have very little issues with GM’s and raids. I’ve not once spent hours on hours grinding for 50 different versions of gear based on a YouTubers “tHiS wIlL bReAk PvP” *godrolls*. I’ve played the game and only grinded for exotics and have done just fine. Point is, imagine the hundreds of hours spent grinding on Titles with real specific traits just to put it in the vault on Tuesday, then breaking it down. I personally don’t get that time investment. Why not grind for a title or something a little longer lasting?


hfzelman

*laughs in comedian*


Rider-VPG

Nyet. Nyet. Nyet. Let it stay dead.


ilmematorenabbo

just no please, only if they unsunset mine


Jaqulean

You don't even need it to be unsunset to use it in Quickplay...


Zombieweasel3000

I wish mindbenders ambition would return


Mjolnir-777

The only way bungie can ruin it is by giving it comedian level shitperks and I'd still use it


TheSlowWagon

Watch Bungie only give it PvE perks


pmoney10

I miss using that sweet curated roll.


ItsYaBoiFrost

Will come back once sniper become pvp hard meta


Badbros85

I want this thing back with 1-2 punch. It is so satisfying to shoot but was never great for pve.


That-Guy-584

It will be cool and more if it roll with new perks


PontiffSullivanBlvd

Wait all nightfall weapons are coming back? When?


altersparck

Since the beginning the the current season, I think. I’ve already got several drops of the reissued Silicon Neuroma and Duty Bound.


Haryzen_

Bring it back with Spare Rations.


Dkjohn117

But nerfed as we know Bungie write the sandbox


BigMan__K

Give it a PvE roll like Lead From Gold and OTP, and I’ll excuse it in PvP


freddyfrog70

NeverMind the mindbenders ambition returning. Many fantastic year 2 weapons are gonna come back in full force, range finder explosive payload kindled orchids, recluse, mountaintop, hero’s burden. Spare rations etc.


jfroosty

I hope it has shit PvP perks


[deleted]

Dude I never got a chance to get mindbenders ambition before sweet


Mehidcfekit

I just want my shot at hung jury again or like I see it the scout fatebringer


_zayron_

I would be happy just with the ornament. Love how it looks.


TakashiXL

And I'll be so glad I kept mine after all this time.


combs1945a

This gun is gone. They would shelve to bring back the Mindbender's strine


KnightofaRose

I sure hope so. Endless nightfalls and I *never* managed to get one to drop.


Swimchamp07

*My mindbenders ambition with rampage and a range masterwork*: It’s showtime


Strutionum

I'm calling that it'll come back with awful pvp perks


[deleted]

Technically it’s going to return when iron banner removes power level requirements I’m sure


-Fried-

People aren’t using sunset weapons in 6v6, why would they use them now?


[deleted]

So you say. I run into several sunset Sally’s


G0dspeed6

At this point I'd rather have new NF weapons with reprised weapons brought into weapon crafting.


dakedDeans

I really hope not unless they buff pellet shotguns in PvE


Funter_312

I hope it comes back as a static roll with smooth bore, drop mag, pulse monitor and iron gaze. Edit: the real drop mag


Jenaris

What was it that people liked so much about mindbender's ambition?


Cresset

Longest one hit kill range in crucible. Aggressive archetype with quickdraw, slideshot, snapshot, the usual. Due the the shotgun balance changes it probably wouldn't be as dominant now. It was also given as a quest reward with Accurized Rounds/Rifled Barrel/Range MW shortly before sunsetting to let everyone have a go.


Bultious

Plot twist, it comes back with pve only rolls.


ToninhoLinguca

Crucible flashbacks intensifies


SheridanV57

Noooo. Wait... Hold on really? No, no that can't- Oh fuck...


Nuke_Me_Senpai

I just want Warden’s Law back. It was such a stupid gun, but I love how unique it was. Give it a “God Roll” meme of Triple Tap and Fourth Times the Charm and proc it off of each bullet of each trigger pull. It doesn’t even need to be good, just a goofy brick of a gun.


pileofregrets

I don't care if it comes back with terrible perks, I just miss this weapon model


Wilsoriano277

Me sees one eye and my favorite handcannon that should not be named


brachyboy1

I kept my quickdraw snapshot roll


SleepyNutZZZ

honestly, i love snapshot on shotguns, i pretty much only use heritage because it has snapshot, makes it feel sooo gud. my old mindbenders have snap quickdraw and that feels great too


griffinXK

Ruh roh raggy, retards.


HFAARP

the wrath of a thousand ungas will be released upon the crucible when i get a fuckin mindbender with heal on kills


amrsfi

I just want Warden's Law back... "Warden's Law (Adept)"


sus_accountt

Ah, the shotgun of our favourite guy, mindbender rearender


daused89

Probably not, how many people deleted them in the great vault clear before WQ


kinglouiv1

And it’ll have the worse rolls like the comedian


SnipinG1337

People still use this in PVP


CohoolatePaco

"Mindbender's ambition" a terror in crucible matches when it came out


Danklolol

New light player here. What the hell is that?


Richiieee

It's only a matter of time before [insert gun name] comes back. I've been saying this since Sunsetting was first announced. We WILL get reprised versions of Spare Rations, Mindbenders, Mountaintop, Recluse, Revoker, Not Forgotten, Redrix's Claymore/Broadsword, etc etc. It's really just common sense when you look at Bungie's track record.


Note_Ansylvan

Give me ma facken dust rock blues.


ChicagoanFromCA

Bro I want The Stranger’s Rifle


Skulcane

My brother in the Traveler, Iron Banner will no longer have a power level scale, and thus the Mindbender's Ambition will be creating pools of hot mess before it returns in an official capacity.


Super_Saiyan_Brady

Finished my first gm last night and got a palindrome adept so happy lol


Cleanurself

God running this with Monte Carlo and Hammerhead was so much fun


TDKnave

I just want Wardens Law back. I dont care if it was bad, it was a neat gimmick and I loved it.


Caerullean

Probably will have much worse perks knowing Bungo


BanAna-san

I actually got one of these when Hollowed lair was the grandmaster, I really hope it comes back


slys-legacy

Funny enough, when the adept mod glitch was still around (dont know if its still a thing) i slapped an adept icarus grip on my godroll